Stark raving sports lol

You did. . mad sounds

Go the distance

Nah. I just checked, he’s not there. He must have moved

If anybody is in the vicinity of Greenville SC please visit the Joe Jackson museum in his old house which was moved next to minor league ballpark. He was a true childhood baseball prodigy. He led every minor league he played in in batting average. He could not have participated in throwing the Series w his statistics in series. He had the only home run and no errors among other stats. He was simply linked to the crime by corrupt gamblers who knew his name would bring more wagering in series.

I love this reference 😂😂

Lol.....dead....🤣🤣🤣

this is beautiful

I agree, they got rid of him because he was better than them. Shame, shame, shame!

Luke Bennett ahhh classic Star Wars reference! 👏🏻

Amen to what Connie Mack said about Joe Jackson.

Come again?1 You mammy work.

White Sox fans haven’t either. After over 100 years. Ask any fan from age 10 until still living. I think it would bring a smile to your face on how White Sox fans are still so passionate that he isn’t a HOF

He needs to be in the Baseball Hall of Fame

That’s the point he was making. No one knows his real name, his real story, etc. just his nickname and the story that all baseball fans know.

Oh... My... God.....the poor innocent Codgers ; as if Justin Turner is such a saint; it seemed the Rays were asked to put on the brakes. ..and Betts??? I just got my mini statue of the greatest of all time. ..Joe Buck , ad nausea. ..

@@rossb.4773 Well I am unaware of any cheating scandal perpetrated by Justin Turner. If you have evidence then I endorse you forwarding it to Jomboy. As far as pulling Blake Snell, I didn't understand it then, still don't but I am happy it happened. The investigation never went far enough to implicate Betts but what we do have is undeniable PROOF that the entire Houston Astros team was aware that at least some of them were actively cheating through the entire season, the ALDS, ALCS and the World Series.The coaches and managers were aware. It was an illegitimate World Series. I'm not saying give it to the Dodgers there should be no Champion because you can't say one way or the other who would have won between the Dodgers and Yankees.

@@dodgerblue7381 there’s literally no evidence that the astros cheated in the playoffs

@@camdavis6433 yeah right. No evidence of their cheating in 2017? If you are saying that what are you smoking?

@@dodgerblue7381 I think cam is referring to the fact that no audible trash can banging was heard throughout the playoffs theres no doubt they cheated during the regular season as you can clearly hear the trash cans banging but I've watched that world series multiple times and heard no banging. I recommend watching foolish baseballs video with jomboy as he goes more in depth with it

I still call it Comiskey Park 2.

How do you feel about Barry Bonds?

I agree

@Fugp Basis some of y’all just can’t accept the fact he didn’t cheat

good point

There was an extremely detailed breakdown of that series that really makes you think. If he was as great with the bat as his stats suggest, and then you look at the situations in which he had a chance to bat (I'd have to dig to find it, it's been a few years) It really seems like "didn't flip the switch" when he should have. He hit a HR....in a blowout, he got hits only when runners weren't in scoring position but when he had RISP he suddenly....didn't get hits. It's definitely suspicious that such a brilliant hitter magically, only got hits when they weren't meaningful in that series. Sadly, everyone on that team was going to get lumped together but when you do some digging on those numbers and the situations it starts to look very suspect. Numbers alone simply do not tell the entire story at all.

@@TheGLORY13 Plus Shoeless Joe still took the money so even if he wasn't trying to lose, the guy didn't help his case by accepting the bribe to begin with.

@@iamhungey12345 yup 100%

That’s really cool

You can tell in that pic around 2:30

You should get a petition for him to be in the Hall of Fame.

It has been an ongoing thing for awhile. But not giving up.

@@christopherhall4182 keep it going. They are still fighting over Buck Weaver to this day.

Lies.....deception!

@@garygood6804 K

I recall a SF short where President Lincoln avoids the Civil War & is never thought of again. A better fate?

Perhaps, but he was so good, I'm sure he would have been remembered.

He would have played into his 40's if they let him. Edit: He swung a 36 inch, 48 ounce bat...and made great contact. The guy was strong and quick with the bat. He was a natural athlete. He could have had milestone numbers.

I don’t know, I think Jackson could’ve been better than all three of those guys. For his career, he hit for a 0.356 AVG with a 0.423 OBP and a 0.940 OPS over 4,981 AB. I wonder how the rest of his career would’ve turned out.

Everyone should learn about Nap Lajoie. He's the only player (that I know of) that had a major league team named after him. Cleveland was known as the Cleveland Naps while he was playing for them. I love that fact. Now if I could only remember how to pronounce his name lol

Landis sure did. The story the best represents that is when Ty Cobb visited his liquor store year later. Cobb ask him after sone time " Joe don't you recognize me?" Joe's response. "I didn't think anyone up there wanted to remember me."

same here but rewatched it a few months and there is something lacking. I mean The Natural, Major League or Bull Durham are just way more entertaining. Still I would recommend it if you are baseball fan.

Baseball history is beautiful I hope he does video on Josh Gibson and Satchel Paige

@@SaltoDaKid Satchel Paige certainly deserves more love

.......And Gibson is A Home Run King! In the Dead Ball era...Big! I knew all those names above! I guess I AM a Baseball Aficionado!

Ken Burns

Exactly man think he wouldn't hit .375 if he did lol I'm a White Sox fan he might never be in the HOF and it's a shame

Incredibly sympathetic. I think that's why Ken Burns miniseries went gunning for him like it did.

They’re finding now most of it was biased and not totally accurate

The author had admitted to have taken some liberties.

100% agree!

shit I got a close reading assignment on _The Great Gatsby_ and I've barely read it

You know he was talking about Arnold Rothstein not Joe Jackson right?

Henry Henkel Yes, of course. I thought it was obvious. But now I realize maybe it’s not so obvious to people new to the Black Sox scandal. Thanks for mentioning it!

On an unrelated note, Nick was super gay for Gatsby 😭

og orange duck saaaameee bro 😂

if the floodgates for steroid users opens up, then they have no excuse to omit him from Cooperstown

No, he should be banned and should remain banned indefinitely. He conspired to throw a World Series and thus damaged the integrity of the game. Throwing games is the absolute worst thing any player can do - if the outcome is predetermined and one team (or players on that team) are playing to lose, then baseball isn't baseball as we know it. The fact that you think he's innocent is irrelevant. Kennesaw Mountain Landis, the commissioner at the time, conducted an actual investigation based on actual evidence from people with firsthand knowledge of the conspiracy, and based on that evidence found him guilty. In the hundred years since, no exculpatory evidence has been offered. Furthermore, looking at a slash line isn't a good indication of anything, and the evidence that I've heard suggests that while his average was good, his hitting came in situations where the game was won or lost already - in clutch scenarios he hit poorly - and that his fielding was noticeably worse than usual - plays he normally would make, he didn't. That they weren't scored errors is irrelevant. It's a shame, because he was one of the all time greats. But that doesn't matter. He harmed baseball badly through his actions, and because of that, he does not belong among the game's greatest in Cooperstown. Putting him alongside Cy Young, Babe Ruth, and Jackie Robinson would be in insult to them.

@@MrEvanfriend He should be in tho

Evan TLDR. Jackson couldn’t read and went 5/12 with runners in scoring position. Not exactly someone that would throw a series.

@@jd0192 Not sure why you think his illiteracy is at all relevant to whether or not he threw the series. In the end, the people who had access to actual evidence said he did, that trumps your argument of "I don't want him to have done it so he didn't".

The stories about Ty Cobb being a terrible person were largely proven to have been severely exaggerated as well

Not an O.J. fan but he was found not guilty; However, his conviction in Nevada should be fuel to remove him from the HoF. Now that's something you could spend some energy on perhaps?

@@eddixon2015 I’m just curious where you’re getting your info from. Is there a source I can look at to verify your Ty Cobb info.

True, it's also amazing how that uniform at (2:12) could have clothed a 3rd world village.

aaaayyyy same!

Same but I’m from Salem

Same but Tulsa

Simpsonville. Same county.

Except what he looks like apparently, thumbnail is Cobb.

Which won't happen. MLB is incapable of admitting their own wrongdoing.

Too proud to admit a mistake....this is why as a kid when I saw Baseball as the #1 sport fall to #3(would be #4 if Hockey weren't Canadian)....what's the saying....Pride goes before the fall...

...........And so puts him in sight of the A's scouts. Got it! Thanks!

@u mama I guess him thinking it was BethelHELM reminded him of Helm's Deep.

I haven’t been to the HoF in a while, but last time I was there I noticed that he had a small section in the museum, but was excluded from the actual Hall of Fame. Similar to Bonds.

Mitchel Valentino oh that’s probably what it was then

They might do it on August 14th, for the 100th anniversary.

He was the spark for a 1920 Indians Fall Classic.

Ray Chapman was brought up in the town that I live in. I wish they'd erect a statue and build some sort of shrine to him near baseball diamonds in city park. Too few are aware of his tragic death and what a good player and good man he was.

@@theblacksheep5226 I visited what was left of League Park in 2008 and stood in the batters box where Ruth hit his 500th home run, Then I made my way to the pitchers mound to pay my respects to Ray, it was a very surreal feeling that I was essentially intruding on his grave. Rip Ray Chapman

Or any comparable type of performance dance, yes.

Love this. Thank you!

Actually, by definition he is 100% NOT a Hall of Famer.

@@stevenmiller7747 Should be 100%

@@stevenmiller7747 but by definition u r %100 a hater

Pete has more of a chance of getting in the hall than shoeless. I think he'll somehow get in later on, maybe after he passes away... And when that happens, they should also allow shoeless to get in.

Well....Field of Dreams and Eight Men Out.

@@bossfan49 true, true

We all hear of it....and then we see it. My Dad would've talked about it...as we scanned the Baseball Almanac! (one volume)

I 100% agree

Comisky was a horrible owner and was a tight fisted cheapskate ...the more you read about Comisky the more likely if you were a player to do what they did...Comisky cheated Eddie Cicotte out of a bonus by not letting him pitch for almost a month and ended up with 29 win instead of 30+ wins...which would have given him the bonus..Charles Comisky was a bastard.

@@pst702 A new book suggests that the Cicotte bonus story was not true.

Nevertheless, Charles Comisky was a cheapskate

Yeah. I too put my advanced reading level to good use and read “Eight Men Out” in elementary school. I still remember it. (I read “A Night to Remember” that year as well. Got a good feel for the 1910’s). My thought then, and my thought now, is that throwing the World Series is just about the worst thing a baseball player can do. You feel bad for Jackson? What about the city of Chicago and all the fans of the White Sox? As a kid, I couldn’t help but think of how devastated I’d be if the best player on my favorite time had been caught up in something like that. I still feel now as I did then. Jackson should have been a baseball giant. More importantly, though, he should have done the right thing. His excuses make him look even worse in my eyes. Most people don’t remember him because he (rightfully!) doesn’t get the attention other players with his talent receive. If he’s forgotten it’s because he deserves to be. Do you remember the story about the boy who cried out, “Say it ain’t so, Joe. Say it ain’t so”? He felt broken-hearted and betrayed. That poor little guy couldn’t hold back his tears. What a thing to do to an innocent young fan! Jackson did real harm. That’s his legacy.

@@paultheaudaciousbradford6772 but he didn’t make an error and hit the ball well during the World Series?? How is that doing the wrong thing?

@@paultheaudaciousbradford6772 not only that but the owner of the team was a known crook and these players weren’t making nearly enough money. By the way, baseball is just a game it has no effect on the world. It’s my favorite sport that I played and I think any player that was great deserves to be recognized for their greatness no matter what negative things they did regarding the game being played. If a player goes out and murders his wife and her adulterous lover (O.J. Simpson) that person should not go in the hall of fame. Yet that man is still in the hall of fame. Shoeless joe got dragged into a scandal about whether the game was played fairly. He did his best, didn’t make errors and hit well during the World Series yet the allegations still stuck? And now he can’t be in the hall of fame? Did he rape anyone? Did he murder anyone? Did he commit a legitimate crime?

@@macmirez9508 Well, I’ve had my say, you’ve had your say… We’ll leave it to others to figure out which of us has the more convincing argument.

@@paultheaudaciousbradford6772 fair enough

Yes...because you'd have to be that clueless to believe one of the best players on a team that went all the way to the World Series signed a contract they knew nothing about...and the person giving them the huge (in 1919) sum of 5,000 dollars didn't want to ensure any kind of return on investment by at the very least telling them "hey, I'm giving you this huge sum of money. In return...I expect you throw the series." Just because he was statting in the World Series doesn't mean he got any hits that truly mattered given the situation of the at bats.

Correct.

I admire your fairness....some fans think they are "The Lords of Baseball " and are on this high horse of moral pride instead of being logical and fair....I agree with your comments....smartest one I read on this thread 👍

@@midnightrider6530 but he actually was the only one trying lol