Romulan style

It does have a quality about it..

Same! I always loved D'Deridex

*body thump*

Lore Reloaded What body?

BEEP.

Wasn't Tal Shiar completely crippled by the time of the Prometheus incident? Or was that just the Obsidian Order?

They would both have deep cover and secondary bases and operatives but ya most were killed in the attack on the fake founders Homeworld.

hah, that's true for sure..

When you curb stomp a Nebula, no reason not to send a warm greeting through sheer firepower :)

I think sending the Nebula was an hail mary play. The only starship in range with decent firepower. This did take place during the Dominion War and before the Romulans join(we're ticked) the war.

When did that happen?

Voyager episode 'Message in a Bottle"

That's right, you don't know how close his friends are. But you can be sure he keeps his enemies closer.

It's absolutely number 5 - Picard always saw that the only measure of victory was to not have a conflict. He would have done everything to diffuse a situation even if he knew he had the upper hand.

A common theme in TNG episodes is that Star Fleet is looking to avoid wars at all costs. So confrontations with volatile and powerful powers like the Romulans and Cardassians were always tense

I agree with 6

Alamandorious I see what you did there

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More likely, the borg captured one and assimilated the paint job.

Or just payed premium 😂

Our HUMAN blood oxygenates from Blue to Red as a result of Iron. Their ROMULAN blood (and also Vulcan/Reman blood) oxygenates from Orange to Green as a result of Copper. On engineering pressure valves for steam locomotives (and otherwise) the danger band is often coloured Red to inform people of risk. The Romulans are obviously just communicating danger to others _both_ by the sheer size of the ship (an obvious bluff), and also by its colour that represents blood.

*insert sexual joke*

That ship couldn’t turn in that game love it design hate playing it too heavy

ColdBlueLight exactly

I'd say it's like with North Korea where both are at war but there's a cease fire in place that both sides are willing to push but neither truly break.

The Star destroyer of ST.

That actually was a scripted and filmed, but then deleted scene where the Romulan ship was supposed to have been the product of espionage. This scene and its ramifications did make it into the James Blish adaptation of the episode.

It was a war a cold war. The usa and ussr did the same thing for decades.

“Yeet” The Federation TOS Era

I can agree with this for sure..

Just because the crew of a galaxy class ship view a warbird as a threat doesn't mean a warbird is vastly more powerful than one. That's false reasoning. In war, you never want to be in a fair fight. So if you ARE in a fair fight, you should be worried, because that means your odds of survival are about 50/50. Think about it. Hell, it doesn't have to even be comparable to you in power to be a threat. As long as it's powerful enough to cause you harm, be careful. (I mean, look at what eventually destroyed the enterprise. There's no way in hell that was an even match-up, but the smaller weaker ship still won. Kinda. XD)

In addition it's made pretty clear that for a long time the Romulans had been isolated and those in Star Fleet weren't sure just how powerful they were. Not only that but if you are face to face with one, you never know if there are a few more that are going to decloak behind you when the weapons start firing... And finally they know that if they start fighting with a Romulan ship it could be the beginning to a war... So yeah that last one alone is a good reason to be nervous about facing one... Knowing you could be the flash point of a war is a lot to handle.

@@LoreReloaded That's true. But on the other hand, just because a Warbird is SLIGHTLY less powerful than a Galaxy class, doesn't mean a Galaxy crew wouldn't see it as a threat. 10% less powerful can kick your...ahem....backside if you make a mistake. Or if they just get lucky. Also, IRL, the concept of "10% less powerful" would not be a legitimate assessment. Most weapon platforms have advantages and disadvantages, if you're talking about roughly the same tech level. For instance, one ship might be faster with a flexible weapons suite, while the other might be more maneuverable with more powerful (but less flexible) weapons. "10% less" or "10% more" would be somewhat subjective depending on your viewpoint. Given skilled commanders/crew experience, the tactical situation and random chance - either one could win. Therefore, either one could be a threat to the other, worth taking seriously.

Koo

Clim hazzard. Nobody likes to get into a fair fight! I think the Romulans were ironically in a position where their ships would massacre the fed equivalents then they would soundly lose any war that resulted. They simply couldnt match the capacity of the feds, their few warbirds would eventually choke on endless fleets of Reliants and Excelsiors!

DrewLSsix For clarification the USS Reliant is a Miranda class Federation starship

David Sadler. I knew that.... just made a mistake lol.

DrewLSsix I knew what you meant just pulling your leg a little

Not to mention the MANY diverse and different ships and classes the Feds kept making. ESPECIALLY in regards to killing stronger enemies then Romulans like Borg in particular. Pretty sure if a Fed ship can take on a Cube or Sphere from an enemy like that a Warbird wont be much a problem. These are deadly but not so much in a fair fight. Remember in the Dominion war even when backed by their strongest enemies turned allies the Romulans took huge casualties the quickest overall

Excellent work around, I always thought that thing about the TOS war birds only having impulse was dumb, it'd takes decades if not centuries to get anywhere without ftl travel lol

It makes sense that all Romulan ships (even their shuttles and stuff) would use the same energy/propulsion technology. Although they did also use things like "Klingon" D7 battlecruisers which would require dilithium.

There is also written inference (sadly non Canon) that the D'Deridex warbird is individually tailored to it's Commander. In the book The Devil's Heart, a warbird is sent to retrieve the Heart and encounters the Enterprise. The fight IS described (not trying to create spoilers) as evenly matched. But there is counter evidence (non Canon) as well. The Romulan Senator who defected with two of his aids did say that the D'Deridex class is "a bit overstated" which implies that Federation ships are actually Superior in speed, computer power, and sensor technology. Now is this an advantage? Not necessarily and in a 3rd non Canon source there is evidence of something called the "D'Kazanak class" which does address all of the issues with the D'Deridex and improves them in all aspects. And one more point, it seems their cousins the Remans are either at level, or even Superior in ship development with the fielding of the Scimitar class and this is a Canon ship (Star Trek Nemesis) which is equal in some ways, but absolutely Superior in other ways to the Sovereign class.

yeah. most, if not all, of their ships had quantum singularities.

My understanding is that Romulan territory has very little dilithium. They developed Singularity Cores to power starships instead.

And somewhere at the back of the fleet is a single centurion in a spacesuit on a peddle boat.

+Andrew Thomson the dil mines and such could be for romulan civilian use as well

Well, it makes sense that not every ship in your fleet releases a hole in space-time when its destroyed/disabled.

or they mine the conventional fuel for any potential "allied" forces to use. They are sort of a State Sponsor of terrorism...

@@kinggoten or straight-up trade - sell the Dil for the latinum to build your fleet.

Praxics thank you 🙌🏻😎

lets also take note of the fact that that isn't any galaxy class star ships, it's the enterprise manned by individuals such as data who can make near instant, on the fly, shield/weapon-technobabble-bullshit and picard, who had such an advanced understanding of space warfare that they named a manoeuvre after him, riker, who has turned down commands of other star ships multiple times, making him possibly the most experienced first officer to serve on a galaxy class. those factors, this amazing crew is unique to the enterprise. in short: a master with a stick will beat a noob with a sword. so while the enterprise can probably take a D'deridex, most other galaxy class starships probably can't.

You've read into and theory-crafted a whole scenario. Cannon says otherwise. a single volley from a Warbird drops the enterprises shields by 70%(tinman). Maybe the Enterprise and the 3 BOP could have taken out just Tomalaks ship... Equally plausible reading/interpretation of Picards retort. I mean if we're just making shit up right?

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And that my friends is called a Pryyic Victory.

Slade, Really now that I think about it, did Starfleet even know what the Romulan ship's capabilities even were? If I remember correctly the Romulans hadn't been heard from for a while...

I fully admit that I am not as well versed in ST lore as I am in other fandoms however to my understanding the Romulans withdrew behind their border for some number of decades and the Federation didn't really hear from them during that time. Then suddenly the Romulans turned up at the border one day with the D'deridex and Starfleet kinda crapped the bed.

It's still their flagship Class. When the small amount of Warbirds attack (went straight into a trap) the Founders sent most of their fleet to wipe them out. They weren't taking any chances Against multiple Warbirds with other smaller backup ships.

In the opening movie of the game star trek armada worf flies a defiant class through the hole

If you understand weapon targeting systems it makes perfect sense. Most weapon targeting systems would identify it as one large target, shooting for the middle is ALWAYS what you do if you want to hit the target. Modern weapon systems targeting always target the middle of the ship/aircraft, so if the middle is empty you miss, and do no damage.

The same designer that told the Asari to put a giant hole through the Destiny Ascension.

In game combat, however, you could usually come out ahead on a 2v1 or 3v1 encounter, but not without some dings.

Well yes painterfox, the player tends to be stronger then NPC's. That's a gaming thing tho.

D'Deridix was built for war while galaxy was built for families and holideck leisure centers. The Romulans always had the strongest ships in the old DOS PC game of star trek

Let's see a Romulan Warbird take this much firepower. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fsWIlbqimZ_ahYE.html. I bet a few torpedoes get through.

Bridge commander follows similar logic. Though interestingly enough, I find in that game that a warbird will kick your ass easily if you let the AI try and fight it, but you can destroy one with little to no damage if you do it yourself. But again, it comes down to the same reasoning; Warbird has more firepower, but is less maneuverable. (and ingame that's highly exploitable, especially because the warbird's weapon firing arcs are very limited.) Ingame tactic for taking on a warbird is as follows: -Close to point blank range. Being at a distance puts you at a disadvantage. You can out-turn them, but at longer distances that won't help you much, since you have to move quite far relative to how far they have to turn. - Their weapons consist of a disruptor beam and plasma torpedo launchers in the centre of the forward hull, another rear mounted plasma torpedo, and 4 plasma pulse cannons mounted on the front of the nacelles (2 either side). The torpedos are easy to avoid, and the disruptor beam is not that strong. What you have to avoid at all costs is taking hits from the plasma cannons. - Once you're at close range, fly over the ship, and stay slightly behind and above it at extreme close range. You can outturn them, so they'll struggle to bring any weapons to bear, while you have something like 270+ degrees of phaser coverage. Due to how phasers work ingame, your best bet is to turn slowly from port to starboard, but the main thing is to remain behind them at all times, and never EVER let them turn to face you. Being above them is preferred, but being below or to the side is also fine. Do watch the rear plasma torpedo launcher. It's not a major threat, but it can take potshots at you if you pass it. Again though, at extreme close range this is unlikely. - Chances are high they'll try and cloak to get away from you. The cloaking device is on the upper hull in the middle. Although it's not a disaster, them cloaking is a nuisance, so you generally want to take out the cloak before you do anything else. Since you're able to so thoroughly outmaneuver them, you can repeatedly pound their upper shield, since it's easy to concentrate your fire. - Once you've destroyed their cloaking device, target their disruptor cannons. If you can take all 4 of them out, the ship is basically a sitting duck, since none of the other remaining weapons are very threatening. Pick the target apart at your leisure. Or... Do the Starfleet thing and get it to surrender, I guess? If you do this correctly you should come out of this fight with the warbird completely crippled or destroyed, and your galaxy class ship having all of it's shields at 70% strength or above. Do it badly and you'll get wrecked. Incidentally an ambassador class is still strong enough to pull this off, though you'll be cutting things a lot closer, and likely will take some damage. Sovereign class, in spite of it's superior strength (especially ingame), doesn't fare much better than the Galaxy class does. You still have to follow the same tactics - if you don't your ship will likely take extreme damage. You'll probably win the sovereign vs warbird matchup regardless, but you'll have major hull damage unless you use this tactic. Incidentally, the nature of how this strategy works means that while you can easily shred a single warbird (but will die if you're not paying attention), two of them is a disaster, and you stand no chance in hell of surviving two warbirds, much less beating them. (not even in a sovereign. You WILL die.) Overall while clearly this is a game, I actually like this presentation of events. I do think the warbird is a little TOO vulnerable. (it should have some extra beam weapons to cover it's blind spots - not enough to eliminate this tactic, but enough that it remains a moderate threat the whole time, rather than a sitting duck.), but having it such that it outguns the galaxy class but an alert captain of a Galaxy class ship can exploit is lack of maneuverability to cripple it actually makes a lot of sense. It also does a good job of explaining why a single warbird is threatening but not a disastrous matchup, but trying to take on two of them is suicide. (the second can cover the first one's weaknesses, so you have nowhere to hide.) I like that a warbird isn't a pushover ingame. It's a credible threat. But you can still take it on if you know what you're doing. That makes a lot of sense even for the series as a whole. I always went with the informal rule of thumb that the following held true: Galaxy class = warbird = klingon Vor'cha class They may differ in details, and their specific strengths and weaknesses, but each one is roughly an equal match for the other. That makes sense logically, it makes sense for narrative purposes given what these ships are intended to be, and it would make sense in a game as well.

+Mike Vasquez very well said, I too agree that at that point in TNG the romulans more likely then not vastly outclassed the Starfleet ships but for whatever reason(possibly even what you point out) choose not to fight, but then again the Romulans never seem to seek out battle they are not Klingons afterall. Or maybe it is the political issues they have on their homeworld that prevented open conflict with the KDF/Federation .

Zero Cool they are intensely xenophobic. That would be a strong motivator for continuously researching weapons technology, but I see your point. There would be many factors. The military and civilian government did frequently butt heads over policy decisions.

I like it

no they have " special guest " quarters

The ships are very intimidating when they suddenly uncloak in your face, obviously deliberate display of force. But they're also very powerful when they suddenly uncloak and attack you in the back. There's a lot of speculation about how Warbird-vs-Galaxy would play out, but I think the Romulans would never deliberately discard such a powerful advantage. If a Warbird appears right in front of you it's because it can indeed destroy you, or it wins when revealing aggression vs your desperate willingness to avoid conflict/war at almost any cost, or it's not as outgunned as it seems because other Warbirds are cloaked in a position to strike.

Genuinely intimidating design.

I strongly agree! It's an awesome ship! Green is actually my number one favorite color! 1 Romulan D'Deridex Warbird versus 1 Imperial Star Destroyer! Which would win?

Well, star trek technology is at least in my opinion generally superior to SW. In SW for example clocking tech is very rare and expensive. This fact would put a slow imperial ship at a huge disadvantage. All the warbird need do is decloack in the ISDs rear arc and FIRE EVERYTHING.

"And Bomb Voyage!"

It could cloak and leave a shadow clone in its place as a decoy ship

It _has_ been hypothesised that you could use the Hawking radiation from the evaporation of a small artificial black hole for spacecraft propulsion. We're talking one with a mass of around half a million tonnes and which would last for about three years before it finished evaporating.

I fail to see how hauling an artificial black hole around is more dangerous than hauling a huge chunk of antimatter.

Anti-matter might blow up a chunk of a world, but a black hole could eat the whole frakking planet.

That's only if it's a really massive one. Stellar mass or bigger. The half-million-tonne one you'd use for spaceship propulsion would be microscopic and would be emitting so much Hawking radiation that anything that might otherwise be pulled in by its weak gravitational pull would get pushed away by the Hawking radiation.

People always overestimate the concept of a black hole. It's about matter density, not matter alone. So even a tiny mass can create a black hole if it is dense enough. So I wouldn't say using a singularity as a power source is inherently riskier than antimatter. Rather the other way around... then again, you can't control a singularity as much as you can control antimatter, it's a bit like nuclear energy. Once you started with it, you gotta push through because it doesn't just stop.

sometimes I think the fake was good enough to pass inspection, but the look in sisko's eyes when he handed it to Vreenak was what tipped him off

thegeneral123 it’s a steaaaaaaaaake

Dude Vreenak and Khan are total Star Trek classics!

@Cyphox IT'S REEEAAL!!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

You should watch out for explosives around you....

Which makes all the reason to have kids there stupid enough..

I don't disagree, pretty silly to put families on the flagship of the fleet which is also a deep space exploration vessel.

Even if it were only an exploratory vessel (without high stakes diplomatic, fact finding (even in hostile parts of the galaxy) and even combat (and deterrence - like the mission where Captain Jellico took command in!) missions!) it would still be stupid! Seriously, one tiny misstake by a civilian (and you can't be 100% sure none of them gets into sensitive parts of the ship or offends some diplomat etc.), especially a kid and you might up with tons of problems (they least of which might be that the kid actually dies, like that guy that stole a shuttle almost did - till Picard (who doesn't even like children and even complains about having them on the ship!) talks him through getting the shuttle back under control!)

pauric maxwell Right? Me too!

Plus the replacement of Ddex with Valdore and Mogai class ships, which were basically Ddex without the bottom wing because it served no point. Honestly, the Romulan ships haven't been threatening or imposing since TOS with their hyper plasma torpedo launcher in "Balane of Terror".

Agreed the latter ships were nicer and while inferior to a Sovereign class they required less resources to build and showed a clear adaptation to dominion swarm tactics. Even so it became apparent that while the Federation was at the start in the end they had suffered the least in terms of military might as its fleets were larger then the Romulans and Klingons from the get go. Thus the Federation retained a much larger force after the war and became what amounts to the US in space. Ain't that funny.

agreed

That is true, two is likely enough to be so assured of victory that Captain Picard would be forced to surrender or die without inflicting any real loss on the Roms.

I intend to..yea

you know..i was thinking the same thing..