Fun Fact this Movie is garbage...

Fun fact: this movie is fiction...

Not against stealth aircraft they can’t. Stealth is very effective against radar guided missiles. Less effective against heat seekers and guns. Now that begs the question of how the Russians intercepted them, but long wavelength ground radar could have guided them in. EDI and Talon 1 could have engaged BVR, but EDI I think actually wanted to try the whole fire forged friends thing, and Talon 1 didn’t want to start WW3.

if one of the plane is stealthy they cant lock him x) plus in Russia only jet after the su35 have bvr capacities so they maybe cant shoot too

​@@HALLish-jl5mo although remains the question of why they went for cannon kills instead of using IR guided missiles once they got near the stealth aircrafts 🤔

@@Flobann the entire Flanker and Mig 29 family has BVR capability

@@HALLish-jl5mo EDI would have destroyed both Russian fighters with AIM-9xs easily guns would never have come into play

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Also "What are my orders?" and his analysis on the commander's shaking voice.

Welcome to the AI future

​@@spaceman9599 With Congress deadlocked on whether to approve tens of billions of dollars in additional aid for Ukraine, that nation's domestic arms industry is becoming increasingly important. Perhaps the most vital weapons system it's producing is an army of drones. Nick Schifrin and videographer Eric O’Connor visited the frontline in southern Ukraine to understand how drones have transformed the war.

its worse than that

@@utley unless we're talking about ace combat assault horizon

@@Diamond-bd5ox I was thinking Tom Clancys HAWX

​@@Diamond-bd5oxwhy is it good?

@@LanaaAmor absolutely not kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iZh1eZZ4uMe-l2w.html

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Military and political interest. War is literally geopolitical 101.

Nato Not only that its related to cultural stuff too. Ukr is making claim over Ru history

Cause he is sick and tired of nato lies. Nato Will not expand to the east Cause he is sick and tired of nazis killing russians in east ukraina. And many many more reasons

@@Meteorknitelook up Kievan Rus

And yet EDI seems so stupid he let a plane two generations older than him get on his tail.

​​@@dixievfd55he is not stupid. In the contrary, he is cunning. He let one of the Terminator to get onto his tail as soon as they engage in the dogfight, so he can freely drove it to cut the talon 01 off the 2nd Terminator. He know Talon 01 would be able to finish the 1st Terminator in an instant. He intentionaly cut him to interupt his targeting system ,put him at disadvantage to delay some time, so at the end of the fight he can positioned himself behind the talon 01 (in case he consider the latter as threat, so he can finish it) & later the 3rd terminator. (Or perhaps he already looking for the 3rd one).

Probably more

Bro that's like 40 G's. That's not survivable

@@stonegrind It comes down to the pilot in the box....

​​@@stonegrind unless if you're a mute psychopath with a hundred missiles in tow

​@@stonegrindnot for humans but the plane will handle it

Would still be under laws of aerodynamics and physics. Unmanned doesn't mean it'll turn into a circus gymnast at will.

@@deepconscious7741 with that being said, provided structural stability and power to weight ratio, an unmanned aircraft will be able to negate extreme G Force so that would be cool.

@@ashtonwilliams7395 I understand about the G-forces, P2W ratios but there is something called Mass and Inertia and then to control it by pure vectoring in tight turns!! Looks plausible when you see it like that as shown in movie but not possible in real life , esp not when the other plane is travelling at almost 800-1200 Kms/hr and so are you. Hollywood Physics 😇

Have we actually seen any proof of a dogfight capable drone?

@@amentco8445 only in glorifying Hollywood movies. Nowhere else.

Thats the point….

Apparently, Navy's always been really big on having a silver screen presence. I remember reading somewhere that Navy's very happy to play ball with Hollywood to spruce up its image for recruiting. And it worked. Top Gun put Naval Aviation into the minds of regular joes, and there's a deluge of movies based on or feature Navy SEALs. Other branches of the US Military aren't as big on advertisements.

@@someopinionateddirt6561 Plus ships are cool as hell and a carrier launch looks and feels(for the audience) better than a normal one

They're real. B-2 has one

Yep, under all those G force people usually blackout

Ну знаешь И ф-14 может переиграть су-57

​@@smerch7672 Ты не понял!)) У самолёта с крыльями обратной стреловидности при резких маневрах крылья заворачивает в "дудку"! Сейчас попросту нет таких материалов при которых данный вид крыла не развалился бы... Ну а самое прикольное в этом фильме так это то что самолёт не имеющий отклоняемого сопла делает вертикальную бочку и пусть он даже супер совершенный будет при разбеге центробежных сил его бы просто сложило пополам(Я про дрон).

@@user-bw2zg7zf1x 30-мм пушка на Су-37 тоже была действительно неточна. он стреляет намного больше выстрелов в секунду и наносит гораздо больше урона, чем в этом фильме. у него также всего 5 секунд времени стрельбы, так что у них закончатся патроны за одну очередь

Нет смысла разбирать детально что тут не так, с первого взгляда все понятно

They put up a good fight though

​@uchihashin7974 that is why Russian tech is somehow inherently better. Must be some magic paint coating or something that improves all the flight stats

@@uchihashin7974 Yeah, only someone as skilled as Maverick can fight that well using a 4 vs a 6.

A fine adult

Well, considering ukrane, the commanders would send them out. Also, they were SU-37 (a canceled prototype for SU 27 replacement)

@@toptiergaming6900 Тем более, у СУ-37 расширенные функции. Зачем гоняться если и так достанут.

Su is alpha ver the other aircraft are prototype tests

If that was the case the Russian Federation just lost three skilled crews. The next thing would be to explain to their families how they lost their lives.

It’s likely that it was launched in Soviet times. The US still uses reconnaissance satellites from the Cold War era.

Pre-flaring is useful as it makes it harder to lock onto the aircraft before the missile launches.

@@adamseanabdullahfennessy8774 Good point, I can see that giving whatever edge you can get. Since aircraft deploy them after making a run and transport aircraft right before landing. Both in known hot spots. That aside, I would still question their effectiveness here because of how close they are (hey it's a movie; no fun in BVR missile launches). There isn't enough separation time for the chaff and flares to the aircraft body to make distinct targets to track, no? I'd imagine radar/IR would see it as only a slightly bigger aircraft with all that countermeasures coming off it.

@Dave Zhang That is correct. In reality, the distance between aircraft would be in several kilometres for pre-flaring to be effective. At those ranges, most seekers resolution is low enough that flares and chaff can easily be confused, but once the missile / launch aircraft is closer, a lock is much harder to break

Well ITS low on fuel but efficient....and most say low on fuel mean they cant back to base...

Lmao I hope you’re joking

@@atkihitotsukushididnothingwro I thought it was obvious I was

@@toptiergaming6900 oh good, you’d be surprised of the amount of people that will comment stuff like this and be dead serious.

They need some TopGun training

Back in 2005 we vastly overestimated Russian capabilities, when I always knew they was a paper tiger

You mean Hollywood. Then yes they are.

Beyond unimaginably unreal. I officially hate this movie and it’s a surprise it ever “graced” the silver screen with how terrible this movie is. Every 5 seconds it gives me reasoning to hate it more and more. Actor can’t even get something as simple as “Chaff” right he literally said chafe like to be sore.

those are Su 30 with terminator paintjob

@@outrider425 literally, but did the SU-30s with canards even existed in that time frame ?

@@outrider425 Mihaly was piloting it, that is why the SU-30 was able to give a freaking 7th gen fighter a good run for his money.

Movie is absolutely stupid anyway and that goes for every aspect, the air combat, the “jet” designs and everything else. It seriously gives me a headache to watch any scene from this movie and Jamie Foxx is too 5 favorite actor so that is really saying something if I can’t push through it. I’d love to watch a video of people tearing this movie apart because the only way for me to think about it and not get angry is to listen to people ripping every scene apart and showing how stupid it is.

What do you meant? Are talking about their fighters, if yes as far I know that was only most advanced experimental available other than su-47 but they haven't use in full capacity in this movie and their Pak-Fa barely came into realizations unless you count mig 1.44.

You have understand this movie make in 2005, director probably not know the advanced Russia fighter in that time (Fifth generation fighter not exist yet)

They could have just made a SU-47 and modified it to look like a 5th gen because it already looks like one with its interior weapons bay

It's probably launched during Soviet era times but still in use by Russia. Tbf, it's not that impossible since the US still use recon sattelites launched during the Cold War era.

It cant fire them backwards 🙄🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@@Coinz8 It can, however use its Distributed Aperture System (the 360 degree camera system that allows the pilot to "see" through the floor of the jet) to create a firing solution - so a pilot could see a target behind the plane, launch a missile that is then directed to turn around and go behind the target - then the missile's own targeting systems can take over. The F35 is not limited to forward looking IRST or forward looking radar for target acquisition.

@@Coinz8 It absolutely can, the range and kill probability will be substantially reduced, however (except for an AIM-9, but until the next upgrade package the F-35 has no AIM-9 in stealth configuration)

​@@override367 its probably more useful to be able to lock and fire in a much larger arc. Being able to lock at a 90 degree angle is always going to be more beneficial than being able to lock behind yourself

@@jurajsintaj6644 Absolutely, especially when you realize there's a 0% chance anything would ever "sneak up" on an F-35

Cry me a river

This shows the superiority of Russian technology... somehow... if 3 4th gen even have a chance, lol. Perhaps the vodka of the pilots give them magic powers. Idk

Maverick was piloting it, that is why! Either that or these SUs have been infused with Belkan witchcraft

With the maneuverability alone those latest-gen jets would've escaped the 4th gen fighters with ease.

@@eaaeeeea No, these SU-35s or whatever were made in Belka. And Maverick himself is piloting them!

Oh come on..dont judge the 2022 movie against this 2005 movie..its almost 2 decade different there..considering this made on 2005,the graphic,cgi is better thn some movie nowdays..and its about future plane..

Butt hurt alert

The flares prevented a lock by confusing the SU-37 targeting. It was close quarters so the moment the missile is in the air, he's dead and flares are all but useless.

@@HeadlessChickenTO ik but what’s the point when he hasn’t launched it, it could be a bluff to waste all his flares, and a cobra or any acrobatic aircraft move couldn’t save him from a missile

There's something called pre-flaring. Flares and chaff don't really work well against modern missiles once they are chasing you, it's best to confuse the enemy's targeting systems before they launch a missile.

@@sacopanchez151 all they have to do is wait a few seconds then launch the missile, it’s called having a brain the flares which is what they used have a heat signature which make the missile lock onto them instead, and as soon as there gone there’s one massive heat signature where the engine is and no air move is gonna save them when that missile locks and launches