This is another reason why the assault rifle suxxxxxxxxx

3 damage a bullet isn't enough for you?

Just upgrade Rifles, stick a silencer on it, and use it for everything, from killin' to door openin'.

Do you have a single fact to back that up? I've checked my source code for 1112 vanilla deus ex, and both calls to signaling WeaponFire and LoudNoise AI events check for !bHasSilencer and !bHandToHand, which should never change during a weapon's usage, aside from applying weapon mods. If you're referred to the SOUND EFFECT it makes for players to hear when shooting, it does only produce a single silenced gunshot noise, because there's no full auto silenced gunshot noise, but that doesn't impact whether or not any part of the burst can be heard by AI.

You should make a guide on vanilla weapon mods

that's the way to go

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Very similar to the - There is no crime if there are no witnesses rule in certain other games 😊

"pew pew pew pew"

*YOU TRYIN' TO LECTURE ME ON TACTICS?! GIMME THE GEP GUN!*

thats something not even most modern stealth games take into account.

@@pmchad "emergent gameplay" (AKA "immersive sims") was *big* in the late 90s; it's fallen completely out of fashion with the current trend of game designers all thinking they're movie directors and getting very upset whenever the player tries to go off-script and start improvising. Modern "triple-A" games practically run on rails compared to 0451 games, which were birthed in the 90s.

Been a long time since I played, but I thought that was just realism in the design, it still gives an advantage because enemies near the target will hear the scream and go to alert, but they won't be able to instantly zero-in on the player's location from the gunshot, *if* the player is also not in a brightly lit place; any enemies very near to the player also will not be alerted. As long as you use the stealth pistol at a reasonable distance and *stay in the shadows* (it's great with a scope mod and even better with the range mod on top of that), it's still advantageous over a regular pistol. Also, *obviously* your footfalls alerted the guards; you jumped off a roof onto hard concrete then ran around at top speed. This is an 0451 game; it has the same lineage as Thief 1 & 2 (honourable mention to Thief 3; Thief 4 can bugger off). Walking is quieter than running, crawling (crouch-walking) is quieter still, and I think the surface one is running on also does make a difference; it *certainly* does in the Thief games. Also also, obviously it's not as effective if you're not at master-level; this should go without saying, but you also weren't waiting for your cross-hairs to fully zero-in on each shot, which is what you have to do when you're not at master level. IIRC, if you hold the cross-hairs on the target long enough for them to fully shrink down and zero in, you have a *chance* to do significantly more damage and drop an un-armoured target in one shot; I think enemies that wear helmets are less susceptible to single-hit headshot kills. I also think you may have chosen a bad level for your test run, since this is the level where the UNATCO troops start out allies and can switch to enemies at any point during the mission, and IIRC the game scripting is *very* erratic about how and when this triggers; I suspect this may cause the AI's aggro/awareness reactions to JC to potentially be inconsistent compared to the rest of the game. Even though this definitely seems to be after the point all troops in the building are guaranteed to become hostile, I wonder if each of their AI behavior is altered depending on how and if you interacted with or were seen by any of them earlier in the level when they were in a friendly-but-tense state. Some of them might seem to have preternatural awareness of your location because you pushed them very close to aggro whilst they were still in a friendly state; there's also the possibility that they're *scripted* to run up the stairs and know you must be there somewhere, because, in-story, Simons knows you must have just used the terminal on the roof.

Nah, I noticed immediately after trying out both non-lethal and lethal melee stealth early on in the game. Which is why the baton is the single best stealth weapon in the game. And you can always double tap the unconscious body later if you want to.

​@@pmchadto be fair there's not going to be a death scream if their instantly killed by a headshot. More games should have them though for when it does take more than one shot

It's the most silent way to eliminate Manderley!

the GEP gun is a silent GEP gun

Sticks and stones.

GEP gun silencer mod pls.

The GEP gun might be useful.

I agree. I still use it because it's such a fun and satisfying weapon. But not for stealth, just run-and-gun

Yes, it's extremely cool how the silencing mechanism is behind the grip.

When i played this game as a kid i thought the stealth pistol was a stapler gun.

@@The_Hanged-Mansame 😂

the stealth pistol's appearance reminds me of a zip 22. too bad the real life version isn't reliable at all.

Pewpewpewpewpew!

He actually the one making the videos

Crash Bandicoot explaining how to do some tricky jumping: "...woah!" Lol

Some games do that for the tutorial. I recall one of the Splinter Cell games had Sam Fisher narrating over gameplay footage.

Only for distracting enemies UP CLOSE, but even then it would only be effective at distracting, not killing. Maybe it can be used as a pacifist way of disabling enemies by making them surrender.

Crossbow can also do that, and you can pick up the darts after so you won't waste ammo.

@sneedfeedandseed You can only pick up darts if you knocked that enemy after distracting. In some situations it would be beneficial to distract while sneaking away.

It's a shame you can't triple shot panic enemies in Deus Ex...

I retrained the voice AI for this video. I think it turned out better than the last

Nice yeah it sounds really good! Very convincing. It had me fooled at first@@BaconHer0

Probably helps J.C's original voice acting is so robotic ;d

True. But did you know the voice actor for JC also voiced Paul?

@@BaconHer0 Yes. i'm no criticising the actor, i'm just saying j.c's deadpan voice is easy for ai.

reminds me of the various silent weapons that allied secret services devised during ww2. they included a crossbow pistol and a dart gun. the problem was that sentries shot with them still screamed out, so they just settled for suppressed guns instead.

If you baton your ally troops in the Paul nsf satellite mission no one says anything, they must think they are tired lol.

Nah dawg, Pistol ammo still appears in areas as loot so you can still use it if you go for headshots only

Game got 4 great weapons: GEP gun, pistol, DTS, Sniper rifle. Out of them, sniper rifle's greatness is due to ability to break stuff, not actual combat. Also, fun fact: Knife can kill non-alerted enemies quite easy and double stab on non fully-alerted enemy forces him to flee. Plus you will want it anyway simply for ability to destroy the dupes (So you could clear the corpses for carrying them).

@@burningsinner1132 Knife also still does the one tap kill from behind if you aim it well.

@burningsinner1132 There’s nothing more satisfying than playing a no-scoping samurai with master sniper and melee skills.

Pump shotgun is super fun. Pistol is better, though.

second this!

Same here! Makes me happy Immersive Sims are returning

I never thought about it before, but there's a pattern in these types of games. System Shock 2: Use the overpowered melee weapon Deus Ex: Use the overpowered melee weapon Bioshock: Use the overpowered melee weapon Bioshock 2: The giant drill isn't tha- haha just joking, it's a powerful melee weapon.

@Boltscrap Deus Ex? No way, only takedowns can be overpowered, but weapons in Deus Ex 1 not so much. They’re well balanced.

@@IrrationalDelusion That's just not true, everyone knows that plasma weapons are wet toilet paper in GOTY, and rifles category is only worthwhile for sniper. Only two weapon categories you need are heavy and melee, everything else is a waste, or works at the training level you start out with, I'm talking about you, pistol. In general, pistol, dragon's tooth and gep gun are the holy trinity that trivializes any problem in the game that can be solved with violence.

Mechanically fleshed out, design wise it's very much in it's infancy. The Stealth Pistol should 1 shot headshot at trained, that's just basic game design logic. It's worthless otherwise and shouldn't be offered as starting gear.

Thief the Dark Project and Thief 2 the Metal Age do it better and former precedes DX by two years. Now those were stealth genre trailblazers

@@FelineRedYou beat me to it, taffer. What’s really nuts do you think about is the fact that the first two Thief titles actually featured loud and quiet surfaces and light levels and both were core to the stealth mechanics way back then.

People back there had to actually try hard to be acknowledged. People right now feel entitled and a lot of company hires just for the gender quota, not for actual skills.

​@@FelineRedDeus Ex is made by a lot of the same people who made Thief. Deus Ex retains a lot of the mechanics but Thief has better mechanics, considering it has its own game engine and wasn't made in Unreal.

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So. True. Even maxed out normal pistol becomes ineffective very early in the game.

​@@TheElevenbitidk what you're talking about the default pistol with advanced or higher and modded is insanely powerful, only downside is 10mm isnt as common anymore

@@bishubi but not as powerful as sniper rifle. Yes, build is very important, but rifles perk are extremely powerfull.

@@TheElevenbit In the early game the normal pistol is supreme only in late game it starts to show some limits. the only weapon that outclasses the pistol in certain situations is the tranq crossbow, because it's the only ranged weapon that stuns mibs and wibs and allow you to get some loot ... The sniper rifle is god tier, and the most valuable rifle...

It's very effective

i wish it was instant sleep with tranq, like in metal gear solid games.

Out of all the weapons in the game, it was always the one weapon I questioned the existence of. It has no reason to be in the game. None.

@@Luckmanncan’t you put a silencer on a regular pistol too?

@@bulletopera409 the pistol background square does not turn green when you select silencer mod in your inventory.

Within the week there will be TheSupremeSussy playing Deus Ex

@@51SErVER No. Within six months.

@@TheSupremeSussy Yes

U-UNATCO?

Dang man, sounds awesome

Whoa! That's so cool man

@@BaconHer0 Thanks. :) The cosplay and my J.C. impression (LOL) is on my channel--this one--if anyone ever wants to look it up. But it's pretty old. Probably from 2014 or something. The Machinima thing was an animation by Leo Tierney, and I don't think it's on my channel, heheh. And to be clear, I didn't get paid for any of this, I just did all of it. :) P.S. "A BOMB!"

You can't put a silencer mod on the normal pistol.

​@@TonkarzOfSolSystem They ppatched that out? Not that it ever mattered. Just put a silencer on the sniper rifle. Unless they patched that, too.

You didn't immediately notice that the normal pistol was better? I think it looks cooler, too, but even on my first playthrough, I realized pistol was all I really needed.

Yeah, I'll definitely look into that. I played a lot of shifter when I was younger but I didn't really find Revision all that appealing. I'm also going to try out GMDX, the last time I played GMDX was like over a decade ago I think. A very old version with not many new features

@@BaconHer0 GMDX just looks like the revision with a different paint of coat honestly, changes way too much. And some of its useful tweaks already have standalone versions. I wonder if patching these vanilla bugs (+ broken changes introduced by GOTY) is even possible at this point. Shifter is the closest to being that but some of its changes like the XP system is debated.

@@arhum1224 You might want to look at the Deus Ex Transcended mod. That mod is intended to be bug fix only

​@@arhum1224 Fr? My first playthrough of Deus Ex was on GMDX and comparing my gameplay to vanilla one I saw no difference. Even on Revision I find it hard to find what they actually changed. Where can I read about their changes?

​@@BaconHer0 Hot take: I actually think Deus Ex could use a lot of gameplay changes. By gameplay changes I mean how skills/augs work, weapon stats etc. Your weapon tier list video showed how almost half of weapons aren't even viable. Only thing I probably wouldn't change about OG Deus Ex are the maps, Revision maps are just way too big sometimes

Maybe I should train the AI with General Carter's voice to give instruction on weapon use

@@BaconHer0 you can certainly try, perhaps also a guide to weapon mods or something.

Honestly, I find Gunther and Anna's demeanour in the vanilla training sequence to be pretty enjoyable already.

Standard pistol does the same noisemaking job.

Ah... It's a future gun :p

Haha yeah it's funny when that happens

That weapon is so strong

Yes, it does 15 damage which is more than the sword, the regular pistol and the stealth pistol!

Don't forget you can get a headshot with a tranq round for pretty much an instant silent takedown.

Haha! The tranq darts are so much worse at stealth than the stealth pistol!

@@BaconHer0 No death screams though :)

The riot-prod seems like an absolute joke compared to the rest at first, but in practised hands it can actually be scary effective for a silent run, right up there with Garrett's blackjack. Unfortunately, ammo for it is absurdly sparse from the get go (pesky game balance), and IIRC vanishes almost entirely by the late game.

@@BaconHer0 Tranq darts can instant knockout with a headshot.

@@TonkarzOfSolSystem Only NSF troopers because they have 75hp. Common troopers and above with 100 or more HP cannot be instantly KO'd by dart, even at master level

Yeah you need to be master level to single headshot common troopers. Big waste of points

I use elevenlabs and train the AI with game sound files. It's not cheap though, I have a monthly subscription going to make the voices for my videos

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Hmm this really depends on your playstyle. Like swimming is bad in casual play but crucial in speedruns. And you don't really need any skills or augs to beat the game so.... I've got a lot of requests to do this, so I guess I will eventually

up to you man i appreciate your response i was also asking because im on my first playthrough 😅@@BaconHer0

@@Zzz-hr5mo haha, I think on your first playthrough, rifles are the most versatile pick for weapon. Computers will make your life a lot easier. I don't take lockpicking and electronics anymore but when I first started playing, it helped a bit