The 20.9 inch shells are so destructive they are scooping out all the battleship and leaving it as an empty hull making them impossible to sink.

"this accuracy is lying to me" actually it was at 30% before the first salvo on the second battle, only after the guns fired taht the ship acquired a firing solution and got a 100% accuracy

The captain was a spy turning into the shells apparently but your one shot the first salvo before it fired it said 30% when it had its targeting solution then it went to 100% that's why it missed the first time. It wasn't lying to you for the follow up shot.

At that range, 40 km and not missing the shot, it seems like gps guided artillery

With the flight time on the shells you should be able to dodge incoming fire at 40km. But the hit percentage is really messed up. They're going to have to fix this.

The thing is, while slightly too strong it isn't out of order. Late war Radar and guns were absolutely devastating. For example, during the Battle of Surigao Strait the West Virginia with 16 inch guns tracked the attacking japanese fleet in from 38km. And fired her first salvo at 20km, striking the Yamashiro with her first Salvo. Radar and large guns combined is OP.

I feel this is a result of +long range accuracy scaling not being designed with 80km ranges on the guns. The +long range accuracy buff starts low, and then starts to scale up as you get farther away. At ranges the game had previously this scaling worked to help offset the normal loss of accuracy at range. But now that you're shooting of to 80km as opposed to 35km the benefit from +long range accuracy has continued to grow. As this happens the base accuracy can't go below 0. So eventually the negative effect of base accuracy stops getting worse, while the benefit to long range accuracy continue to grow faster and faster. The end result being over 100% accuracy past a certain range because accuracy started growing again after bottoming out at some point.

If this accuracy is what can be expected by tech in the 1940s, what would happen if you did this to a ship from the 1890s era. Those ships couldn't hit the broadside of a very large barn from any distance above a kilometer or two.

The BB was throwing MOABs with those HE shots

In the unlikely event that you see this comment, I just wanted to say that, in this game, projectiles don't work like you seem to be expecting them to. At no point does the game actually simulate (or even just calculate realistic probabilities, according to the 3d geometry involved) the shells that your ships fire, how they move through the air, to finally looking at the impact point and attitude relative to that of the surface it has just contacted, to determine if it was a hit (not to even mention stuff like actually using the simulated impact point to determine things like deck vs. belt hits) or not. Therefore, doing things like sailing all of your ships packed right next to eachother, doesn't actually increase their chances of getting hit from 'missed' shots aimed at the most central ship. Similarly, since the game doesn't actually simulate the shot trajectory, the probability of you hitting a target's deck vs. their belt does not depend on things that would seem to make sense, for example, having a severe list to the side which rounds are arriving from doesn't make deck hits any more or less likely than would having a list in the other direction. Decreasing a ship's beam and/or increasing the draft also doesn't make the proportion of deck vs. belt hits any less likely, nor does it change the angles that the game considers you to have been hit from (in the vertical plane), which means it also doesn't affect the distribution of deck/belt hit probability vs. range and aspect as it should (and you also can't 'shield' even the smallest destroyer by parking it right up against the largest, tallest possible battleship. It doesn't even change your, or the enemy's, 'accuracy' either...). What the dev's have decided on as this game's most basic design philosophy is basically just creating pretty, though sometimes nonsensical, and always causally disconnected, 3d graphics to depict certain events as they occur in the 'real' game loop, which is just a glorified spreadsheet with 2 types of actions: 1) Change the variables' numeric values, or 2) Roll a pseudorandom number and use it to calculate the result of the same equations, but just (perhaps) updated with some different variable values. I believe this is the main reason why even 1-on-1 battles (thus ignoring formation and pathing issues) can feel so 'unfair', unintuitive and just plain 'wrong'. It also explains why even grand fleet engagements seem dead, almost sterile after a while, and it also goes some way to explaining why formations and 2d ship movement conflicts, like collisions, have had so many enduring issues for so long; i.e. the game only needs to know the distance to the target and that target's aspect angle to calculate the appropriate # of hits and then just animates each hit by drawing an invisible parabola connecting your ship to the enemy's ship and moving the visible shell + its effects along that parabola, until it intersects the target. Actual 2d movement and real-time collisions only needed some serious considerations with torpedos, but even then it doesn't really require a full fledged custom physics engine to check if constant-speed objects, that only move in single straight lines, have gone from 'not inside' to 'inside' of one of your ship's outlines in the past 1 or 2 ticks... This is essentially why neither historical facts and Iogical truths, nor the game's own text descriptions, are what you should use to base your decisions off of. Only the actual numerical values matter, and of those, only the ones that are actually used by the game will have any effect, although you have no way of knowing which of the numbers those are or what their actual effects are (except through large-scale trial and error, each time the game gets patched or updated in any way). An interesting example of this in action is the fore/aft weight offset number. In actuality, trading an equal % of increased pitch to reduce the fore/aft weight offset by a similar numerical amount, will leave you with 2 ships with precisely the same accuracy. As for the other stats that are also affected, it seems like (for reasonably well- designed and balanced ships) once you start to gain 1% of pitch to remove 1% of weight offset, it really doesn't make that much difference which you try to minimize.

6:34 basically with 83 km with this ship you can shoot from Messina to Tropea and still have 22 km left (or used more energy to hit the target)

That 50-ship challenge is looking really easy now.

They seems to have changed accuracy to fix the impossibility of hittign ships in low tech but the changes had suepr side effects at high tech.

When your damage is so OP that the AI needs a godmode to even have a try at you

Sounds like some of those sub-caliber munitions with rocket boosters they were researching for the Iowas. That range is damn insane.

When you accidentally bring a modern fire control system back in time.

Ah yes the Yamato class intercontinental class artillery "destroyer"

"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody ships today."

well this will be your next taskmaster and the objective is to destroy the chōyō BB rules: -ship must not go over $901M (both ships sums up and not go over its total cost) -range must be exceeded the choyo's gun range -any nation except for japan(stealth's ship nation) - it is a 2v1 - choyo must only have HE - must only use BC-BB class lore: the imperial of japan has created a super warship that easily annihilates any ship without warning intel found it have very sophisticated radar and rangefinder that can reach from its mainland to any target it pleases however intel also found that the super warship is the choyo class sniper monitor super warship using the yamato class hull its pricetag is not that cheap but it is the first trial if this warship's trial is successful we been looking at a range disadvantage as it can murder our carriers without warning you need to destroy the choyo before it can be mass produced its been spotted but excessive AA defenses has rendered bombing runs useless we've dispatched 2 of our best BB's to take care of them and we need the best ship designer to make those 2 BB's and stop choyo's plan to turning the pacific to a sniper zone objective: locate and destroy the choyo class monitor ship

The barrel lenght effects must scale DOWN for larger calibers. When you have such huge guns the limit starts to be the materials and increasing the barrel length would just result in nasty side effects on the barrel itself.

OMG - I have NEVER seen a 1 shot on a 1940's battleship of any nation before!!!!

I was seeing pretty similar results in a 1940s campaign, but with smaller guns. 12.2" with +20% caliber. Sadly, a number of bugs make the campaign nearly unplayable right now. AI nations have their crew pool disappear, preventing them from getting into battles. Your GDP drops when an ally overspends. And the wrong nation might get your VP when you win a battle.

looks like that shell is a gps guided shell that us navy have been research for a quite a while

“Local battleship too angry to miss shots halfway across the ocean”

Fantastic shot they never saw it comming lol I also think that you need a spotter aircraft to use all that range just like the Yamato lol I think you have found your answer for taskmaster tuesday so you can win pretty much every time

19:32 wow 4ton AP and 2.9ton HE. It literally cruise missile. And a heavy one also.

You didn't just hit him at 45KM... you hit him with 2 of those shells!

What's in new patch? Ship equipped with ICBM that has modified from precision guided missiles. AI ship got crew trained from Tibet who learned secrets of immortals and keeping ship soul alive after death. Torpedoes starting to get drunk in mid journey and dancing. 🙄...yea what can go wrong right?

Those shells probably have solid fuel rockets if they can hit 82km, there is no way you can pack enough TNT into one of those guns to impart enough force to send it that far... Also, if that's four guns, now imagine a single barrel with Autoloading... 20.9-inch Semi-Auto sniper rifle anyone?

“Is that Venus?” -Unknown British Captain, 1940

Probably sent the enemy so far into negative HP the game was reading it as positive again

26:10 anyone else notice that Chōyō took an entire chunk of of the first battleships A turret there is literally just a big hole we’re part of the turret was

80 km range means you can anchor up in Vlissingen harbour and hit Antwerpen, Gent, Oostende, and Spijkernisse.

minute 21 - it appears that 1940's batttleships have GPS guided shells unlocked

I believe the RNG roll of the hit and damage is calculated and final at the time of firing so any maneuvering is irrelevant against guns.

Apparently, you hit those battleships so hard that you compressed the holes in the ships.

Max pen ammo doesn`t really seem worth it with big guns. You just get overpens all day, as we saw here. However, this might be where the semi AP are worth it.

Those shells are probably laser guided with that accuracy.

I did love your reactions. :) Good stuff!

Here is what you get for the complains of torps. Face the new sniper meta. Edit: Also, this may be a game mechanic that will improve when finalized. This will be probably balanced later on so don't worry that much. Edit 2: Also, take note that every gun model has its own standard barrel length. Meaning every gun model and I mean EVERY gun model has a different maximum barrel length giving nations thier own unique style of gameplay. Edit 3: 17:51 This is what we would have got if naval artillery improved so much. I think this is a bit more effective than Anti-ship missiles in these ranges.

Next time Geneva has a convention, "Why is this paper all wet?!"

In new beta AI doing this to my fleet surprised on how they hit ship at second salvo with plunging fire. They use 488mm tho

Well, and mass of shells. You are firing a truck to an enemy.

Now I'd be rather interested in seeing what the maximum HE pen capability is with those monsters and the capped-ballistic HE shells. Or just a build centered around max HE, trying to find what the most ridiculous combination with these guns is.

I'm interested to see what sniper secondary armament can do on battleship... If it can surpass max torpedo range, it can defeat the torpedo spam strategies.

Sooooo.... There was a fellow who commented on one of Stealth17's videos, a year or more ago, in numerical detail, about this whole thing. I remember most of everything, but his name. He deserves to take a bow on this.

Damn these he shells hit harder then the hot sauce from taco bell lol

25'' pen with HE!? This is madness. On a side note, i think it would be better if it was not predetermined whether a shell hits. That would allow you to avoid getting hit at those super long ranges by maneuvering.

Everything perfectly balanced. I wonder how the stuff turns out in the live version.

Just started the video and already enjoying the vibes

24:12 i kind of wish you'd gotten a screenshot of that moment, it looked spectacular from a distance! also, _WHAT. THE. HECK_

1:49 Lol I see what you did there. Too late, we're already on the way. ;)

16:45 You were hit to the front but the damage panel showed damage to the rear

The High Explosive Shells were travelling just a bit above Mach 3 lmaoooo😂😂😂🤣🤣🔥🔥

It seems the British ships got smacked so hard they forgot to die

The dual barrel at 79 calibers is roughly 137.6 feet/41.94 meters long. That’s quiet the lengthy protrusion. The maths- (20.9x79)/12= 137.59’

The single and dual turrets were the same 79 caliber, but the quad turret was only 76 caliber. So despite being the same bore size of 20.9", the length of the guns on the quads were 20.9"/76 (so 76 calibers long) which was shorter, giving you a lower velocity than the longer guns. The number after the slash is referred to as the caliber. The higher the caliber, the higher the speed. So for example, the 16"/45 guns on the South Dakota's and North Carolina's fired the same shell as the Iowa's 16"/50, but the Iowas had a MUCH higher shell velocity. Why are the quad guns shorter to begin with? That's an interesting question.

I feel like they need to add a scout plane feature for battleships, battlecruisers and heavy cruisers and put it in the equipment section. It would make this kind of battleship actually work on its own

this has got to be the most amount of times I've heard Stealth say "What the fuck!?" in this one video than every video I've watched of his so far(the ones I've currently seen at least) combined

21:05 I died laughing at that. One-shots a battleship with the first salvo with HE by instantly causing it to suffer from extensive fire. Incredible.

I feel like single guns would’ve shown the sniping better, Wonder about how short reload you can get with short barrels and auto loader two now (14inch quads/triples/duals all tested) It’s interesting to think

imagine using that in the campaign

ran the gun through the 'BIG BALLISTICS' calc, 80km seems doable with a 4000kg shell at 983m/s from a 45° gun angle

I got in the first time trying this new patch and got pen by a 2 inch gun on a 20inch main gun and then flash fire, I really think this version need a lot of work

Just noticed that the damage indicator shows the turret pop. Cute little additional animation.

TFW you go back in time and explain the concept of GPS to Einstein in 1920. Yeah it's very bugged but that was glorious.

My favourite Video from Staelth ❤

Now the game just needs 90km torpedoes

This Whole Video was a Certified Iowa-Class Moment.

This begs the question of when does the curvature of the earth come into play at these ranges?

Hello Stealth17 Gaming! 25:45 new torpedo feature or now even underwater cliffs are a thing too? (4th torp from the left)

This was great!🤣

One things that needs be changed is to have secondary guns fire at torpedoes as well. This was done in RL too, and current RL CIWS can even hit missiles. Also, stationary ships can deploy torpedo nets to snag them before they hit.

As hilariously overpowered this is. Id like to see you retry it with the various hot fixes that have already been released.

a sniper BB huh i bet it is a suitable role for a monitor ship if you want Firepower with less turrets while keeping at a safe distance

Just casually launching tactical nuclear warheads from 45 km

ahh yes the 20.9" delete key

Boss man if you look at that torp out of the dd a torp looked like it popped right before you looked back. Is that new?

I have encountered these same problems with my ships just exploding for no reason as well as the unkillable enemies. The way you kill the enemy is to flood them when structure reaches 0 and they keep fighting

these are some very happy guns

>ship barely detected >IJN BB : TARGET ACQUIRED

I think your battleship is just a carrier in very heavy disguise with that accuracy and range

This video felt so unreal and funny

Assuming height of this Super BB similar to - for example - Yamato (51m height total, less 11m of draft; my numbers - couldn't find that with cursory internet search), then horizon will be at about 26km from the top. But you need to double that to calculate spotting range of one Yamato by another Yamato - so spotting one BB by another BB at 50km is about right.

That one BB got hit in the bow so hard it damaged the rudder.

Pls make campaign with ships like this beast

when you hit a ship so hard its structural integrity values stack overflow and it turns into a zombie ship

Have you been able to get a campaign to start with the new Beta? I can't get past the design page.... Great video as always! Keep 'em coming! This Beta is broken...

7:05 ... 84 seconds ... except it is even longer. Not only does friction slow down the shell, but a lot of the kinetic energy is converted in potential energy as the shell goes higher and higher, slowing down all the way up, but converting the potential energy back into kinetic energy as it starts falling down. So the flight time is more like 2+ minutes. Look at the Paris Guns of WW1 for a comparison ... a 8.3"/L176, with a muzzle velocity of (up to) 1645m/s. They used nearly 200kg Tube Powder C/12 (stored at constant 15°C near the gun) to get these speeds (and of course this was not healthy for the gun ...). And shooting at an elevation of 55° (you read that right, 45° + 10°) the projectiles rose to 38-40 km, spending most of their flight in the stratosphere, where the air is very close to vacuum with very little friction ... that gave them 130 km range. The longest range of all other guns in WWI was ~40km. It took the A4 / V2 rocket to exceed height and range --- 80-90km height and 320 km range, but reaching no more than 1600m/s best case. Albeit straight up it could reach 176km (vertical test launch MW 18014, 20 June 1944, first object to reach space, first sub-orbital spaceflight) and 189km in a later launch of the same test series. Mind you, bombers were longer ranged and carried a lot more explosive power than the 7kg inside the paris gun or the ~1000kg of the V2. Gun-wise the HARP project comes to mind: 16" (obsolete) navy guns, join 2 barrels for a 36m (evacuated!) barrel, shooting 6.6" projectile (capable of containing a rocket engine) (using a sabot), shooting 1 180 kg projectile with 3600 m/s muzzle velocity to 180 km. And of course the "Hochdruckpumpe", the V3, which never went into action at full size (Tallboy earthquake bombs HURT) and were fixed in elevation and traverse ... but should have reached 1500 m/s and ~165 km.

Definition of putting warheads on foreheads. This is nuts!

this episode was simply great in terms of humor

The American large Cage mast should have really good long range stats

No point in having range beyond 50km, as you noticed flight time becomes too long. Having heavy shells just means you are taking longer to reload. I'd have gone with light or standard ap shells.

This must be one of these alternative realities where there are radar guided shells

So... how long till you start playing with save edits to mess with the new gun values?

There might also be a real life issue with quad guns. Well, might also pertain to triple turrets as well. As I recall, both Richieliu(sp?) and Jean Bart's main battery weren't all that accurate and I think this was a result of the proximity of the muzzles. The muzzle blast would throw off the aim of the nearby shells and cause some lost accuracy. I think this also affected triple turrets to a degree as well as evidenced by the center gun on Belfast's main battery turrets being set back from the outboard pair. All of this could be reflected in the loss of accuracy of Quads and to a lesser degree triples in the game.

that 100% accuracy is what gen 3 radar does, not sure why it does that but it's completely overpowered

Gotta love it when you're on the beta version and they release an update when your In the middle of the campaign and then they somehow break the campaign so that many game crashes everytime i start a campaign and now when i tried to reinstall the game steam is coming up with an update error, I'm in pain

i feel a revisit of 1 vs 50 is needed with this ship

The more i play this game the more i think the dutch where on to something with the old pantserschips . heavy armour on the decks and superstructure and lower armour on their belts.