Steam Engine Repair - Scale Model Advance Rumley Belt Pulley Repair - Shrink Fit

Steam Engine Repair - Scale Model Advance Rumley Belt Pulley Repair - Shrink Fit - Machine Shop

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2 жыл бұрын

What brings more joy and happiness to the world than steam traction engines? Except when they have problems, then they are frustrating. This 1/3 scale Advance Rumley is a beautiful specimen but has issues with the belt pulley/flywheel walking off the crankshaft.
Watch as I repair this awesome little engine and also hear my very first swear word in a video when it goes terribly wrong! All is good, but it was a scary moment and could have gone way worse.
Topper Machine LLC is an entirely manual machine shop located in Spooner, WI. Our videos will highlight some of our shop work as well as the sawmill we built in the shop and our A.D. Baker steam engine, and others we work on.
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@thorsbyguy5121 16 күн бұрын

Ha Ha, a man after my own heart. I had two Clark CT50 tugs around here for years. Got 'em at auction for a few hundred each. Perkins 4.248 diesels. Used one as a donor to replace the engine in a Versatile 150 bi-directional tractor, and the other was used as a go cart for the amusement of guests for many years. Cheers!

@ssboot5663 2 жыл бұрын

I have to chuckle. EVERY machinist has pride in and owns great precision tools, but they all use adjustable wrenches on bolts! Thanks for the great videos!

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Yeah, that way I only need one wrench.

@dale5898 Жыл бұрын

When he faced off that rod how many viewers said, “ as is tradition “ ?

@Michael_L_ 3 ай бұрын

I did! 🤣

@25vrd48 3 ай бұрын

The military tug is a great helper around your place . I was with our Air National Guard unit at Savanna Georgia in our motor pool and we didn't have anything to do for two weeks . A buddy asked me if I was interested in drag racing the tugs , well hell yeah I was . He got on a newer tug and I got an old one with a flathead slant six and his was an OHV powered tug . I had a good idea the old flathead would be a little looser and the governor would let it run faster . Well we raced numerous times and I was undefeated . We had a lot of fun until the motor sargeant got back and we got the tugs hid before he could see us . He knew we had been up to no good but nobody said anything about what we had been doing . Great summer camp . Great video .

@12345NoNamesLeft 2 жыл бұрын

That's a perfect sized machine for a hobbyist, fits in a car garage; big enough to ride at a show.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I would actually like to have it. Problem for me is it won't run a sawmill. But I bet my wife would look good on it. 😁

@claudelewis5026 Жыл бұрын

a desolate place is a holy place ,,no walmart , no ding batters, good for you

@richardsurber8226 9 күн бұрын

Nice video. Watchin this two years after the delivery to u=tube

@mikep1085 10 ай бұрын

Great job Josh. It would have been awesome if the owner came over and you guys fired it up afterwards! 😛

@Boforsho 2 жыл бұрын

Hope to see more videos of your traction engine. I fell in love with those old beasts when I watched a series on Fred Dibnah the steeplejack. Great repair by the way!

@smalltownmachineshop6860 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool video, that adapter looked a lot like a broach plug they shoved in there

@BrucePierson 2 жыл бұрын

If you think that key-way was sloppy, it's nothing compared to the small chainsaw I picked up a while ago at our local refuse site retain shop (Tip Shop). The flywheel and crankshaft were chopped out really badly and had so much slop that I can't understand how the saw still ran. I had to replace both the crankshaft and the flywheel, but I had spares from an identical saw that had a broken crankcase. So I was able to make one good saw out of two useless pieces of unusable junk. Always satisfying when a repair is successful.

@roylucas4414 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Enjoyed every minute. Thank you.

@scottthomas5999 Жыл бұрын

Another great job!!!!

@frankward709 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video

@paulb3095 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Josh

@ValiRossi 2 жыл бұрын

That was a fun Project. Good job.

@wmweekendwarrior1166 2 жыл бұрын

Good stuff Josh

@lpaulson1964 Жыл бұрын

Cool old machine neat job well done

@alanm3438 2 жыл бұрын

How nice that you were able to help that guy and make his machine safe. I sure do admire your talent.

@SgtCude59 2 жыл бұрын

Great video nice fix on the old tractor 🚜

@jackdawg4579 2 жыл бұрын

That was a really interesting project Josh - loved it.

@grahamheath3799 2 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video and seeing the 'model' traction engine. Felt for you when the sleeve stuck. Great repair

@MattysWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Gday, nice repair, it almost caught you out but good save, thanks for sharing, cheers

@65cj55 2 жыл бұрын

Well Sorted..

@fireh8r 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice work and attention to detail on that repair. I feel your pain on driving an hour one way for a bigger town that has what you need. That is how it is for me also.

@wallbawden5511 11 ай бұрын

nice work there i was in ore of your slotting machine had only seen one a long time ago and never in use so i just loved it thanks for the video of it in operation Cheers

@swanvalleymachineshop 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one . I had a chuckle when plan '' C '' made you moove ! Sounds like the dry ice maker will be a winner for your shop with no local gas supplier . 👍

@kathleenfoster9887 11 ай бұрын

Mr.Foster here.Loved your video I went from the business where I learned the basics to being a maintenance machinist and welder for small college,and I loved this kind of work.

@GardenTractorBoy 2 жыл бұрын

This is a very cool project and it turned out great. I really like your tug, great for moving trailers around. It would be interesting to see a video on setting up the slotter. We went to a steam show last weekend and we will post a video of the show on saturday. It is interesting that the full size and scale models you have are different in design to what we have over here.

@kentuckytrapper780 2 жыл бұрын

Believe it or not Josh there are a few of those flat wheels around here, farmall tractors and frick saw mill are plentiful here, great video, keep'um coming..

@jeffaddison6332 2 ай бұрын

Hi, a bullnosed center is your friend.

@bobw7066 2 жыл бұрын

You did a great jog of repairing that flywheel/pully and you have a very good workshop. I would like to add two comments, I would have machined the bore true to the outside diameter and installed a scotch key between the sleeve and the flywheel. From Australia

@karensavarese5684 Жыл бұрын

Nice repair on the steam tractor pulley. Set up your Carlton with a chuck, and teach your helper how to use it. Rough drill everything and save lathe time. That thing will drill anything! I know!!,, K,,,

@stevearehart313 10 ай бұрын

Love the tug

@TopperMachineLLC 10 ай бұрын

Me too. But I love the memories of the friend I got it from more. He is sadly missed

@charlesparent1379 Жыл бұрын

To Shrink bushings well try DRY ICE AND ACETONE. THE MIXTURE OF THE TWO BECOMES WAY COLDER THAN THE DRY ICE ALONE

@kennethstaszak9990 2 жыл бұрын

That was an interesting aside about making your own dry ice.

@BrucePierson 2 жыл бұрын

That's a really good move getting the CO₂ and being able to make you own dry ice. I remember you commenting previously that you were at a disadvantage in not being able to source dry ice.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

It's hard to source anything here. This will help tremendously.

@bohhica1 Жыл бұрын

Back in the ‘60 my dad had a Clark tug and he installed a hand operated push blade to back fill ditches. That lasted a week until he went hydraulic. We even installed a 1947 Chrysler flat head six. Very powerful, think I remember where that tug is, might see if it’s available. My opinion, great job, and skills.👍👍👍

@donteeple6124 2 жыл бұрын

Very nice job Josh, I will say that I was big time puckering when you began to drill out those splines.....Yi Yi Yi.....for me in a pinch and when I'm out of liquid nitrogen, I use a CO2 fire extinguisher, I always have at least 1 around my shop that needs to be inspected or refilled and I use that one.......

@theessexhunter1305 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job Josh, was hoping it was 1/2 " so the bit you have was going to get used on this job

@clutch5sp989 Жыл бұрын

Your yard tractor is really neat.

@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Clarktor CT21 Tug.

@jimpritz4169 2 жыл бұрын

Nice project and glad it worked out for you. I always hold my breath on cast iron.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I've done quite a bit of cast. Between the dust and the risk of breakage, I'm either holding my breath or puckering my butt. Lol.

@battleaxefabandmachine Жыл бұрын

I have used 20# grill bottles turned upside down. Outside, of course. Works good

@jkmcp45 2 жыл бұрын

I’m so jealous of your new clutch lathe not new lathe but clutch lathe does it still have that new lathe smell

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

No, it smells like coolant now. Lol. I sure am happy with it!

@RobB_VK6ES Жыл бұрын

I always measure the bore and set a tele gauge or inside mic a little above the shaft dia. That way there is no guessing the expanded bore size when heating. Maybe not period correct but an end cap for the shaft would guarantee the flywheel never falls off and negate the need for a tapered key.

@bostedtap8399 2 жыл бұрын

I cringed, when I saw that original "adaptor ", that was horrible, excellent engineerd repair Josh. Surprising how much a standard freezer can shrink a part, mild steel to cast iron is fairly forgiving, always liked the Gib head keys, just look right. Nice engine, great video, great photography 👍. Thanks for sharing.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn't believe it made it this long when I first saw it. I told him there was no way I was letting that engine leave without being repaired.

@reaganturley2836 2 жыл бұрын

Dry ice and rubbing alcohol will get down to -110 F/ -80 C which is pretty good even though liquid nitrogen is -320 F/ -196 C. Works a lot better putting the part in a liquid than just packing dry ice around it. I've used this successfully for motorcycle bearings.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

If liquid nitrogen were available he, I'd definitely love to have it. But I have used the isopropyl alcohol and dry ice.

@hmw-ms3tx 2 жыл бұрын

I see the traction engine suffered an attack of the white fuzzies. We are just about buried in white fuzz right now. I'm not even sure what tree they come from but this year is a record year for them. Ken

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

OMG, Its crazy! It's from the Poplar trees. A few weeks ago, it looked like a blizzard out there. We even had accumulation. Brought back horrible memories of winter!

@StuartsShed 11 ай бұрын

This was a brilliant repair. So now I discover not only awesome machining content, but you own a Traction Engine and work on model steam engines too. Bloody. Wonderful. FYI - if you ever REALLY need some LN2 for a job, let me know. I can get a flask of it and meet you half way (I’m 2 hours drive from you). Just keep it in mind, I’ll help you out.

@StuartsShed 11 ай бұрын

Or I’ll bring it all the way and run up to the Delta Diner for lunch.

@TopperMachineLLC 11 ай бұрын

@@StuartsShed you should just come up to visit and go to the diner.

@StuartsShed 11 ай бұрын

@@TopperMachineLLC You’re on. I’ll make it happen. 👍👍

@TopperMachineLLC 11 ай бұрын

@@StuartsShed just give me a day notice. I sometimes have to be out.

@StuartsShed 11 ай бұрын

Perfect - will do. I’ll send you a separate email. Appreciate the invite!

@greglaroche1753 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks. I Like the little tug you used to tow it into your shop. How did you end up with it?

@jackheath8184 2 жыл бұрын

i have seen unregulated CO2 used. put the part in a small box and run a hose straight from the tank. a 3 second blast from the tank will make it really cold. hope this helps.

@coleenlofgren6385 2 жыл бұрын

Hope to see you at Hungry Tractor show

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

My plan was to bring my F12 and water wagon, but we've had some major happenings and I may not make it this year. But, I will try to make an appearance and run a steam engine.

@dalehuff5740 Жыл бұрын

You can also use dryice to chill your parts if it you can find it.

@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын

I now am set up to make my own. Dry ice and liquid nitrogen are both very hard to get here.

@PhotoArtBrussels 2 жыл бұрын

Josh, thanks for another great video and repair. Suggestion; all those cut-scenes are a lot of work in filming and montage; maybe tune down a bit on the cut-scenes and save yourself a lot of work; we know how you put a drill in the tailstock. ;-) Have a look at Cutting Edge Engineering Australia; all filmed on a modern phone; great quality; phone is easy for focus and auto-settings. The new lighting you put in makes the biggest difference. Great work!!

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I'm just trying to keep it interesting, but it is sure a lot of work. Editing isn't much of an issue anymore. Actually gotten quite good at that part. I'm happy with the new lights, but thinking about something a little more permanent. Seems the shop is becoming a studio. Lol.

@PhotoArtBrussels 2 жыл бұрын

@@TopperMachineLLC At least it will be nice and bright to work as well! ;-) Thank you for all the great videos!!!

@ke6bnl 2 жыл бұрын

lets see a videio on making dry ice.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

That day is coming.

@bcbloc02 2 жыл бұрын

I like taper locks the best but that should do the job, not really much load in that application.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

That was discussed, but there wasn't enough meat to put one in.

@jeremycable51 2 жыл бұрын

Got me over here wiping my screen off those two oily spots come through vivid on my end so much so I thought I had my phone dirty lol

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't see them until editing and at that point the engine was gone. Couldn't reshoot. No idea where they even came from.

@jeremycable51 2 жыл бұрын

@@TopperMachineLLC your good just tells ya how good the picture quality is

@Randysshop 2 жыл бұрын

Great repair on the flywheel Josh. So the key is a taper fit on the shaft? I have not seen those before. Thanks

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Extremely common on the old stuff. Tapered gib key. Usually a 1⁰ taper.

@christophercullen1236 2 жыл бұрын

No board or cloth on the ways for protection on a new machine? Christopher from Down Under

@jpsimon206 2 жыл бұрын

What are the pros and cons of a slotter versus a shaper? It seems like they do the same job but the slotter is inherently be more rigid because it is pressing it against itself, sort of like a c-clamp? What jobs can one do that the other cannot?

@nschelling6420 2 жыл бұрын

If you want a liquid nitrogen tank, try asking around with dairy or beef cow semen suppliers. I have a dairy background so I am familiar with this. Your video reminded me that I was going to ask the local ABS guy about an N tank for my shop. He said a new tank was $800, used could be had for $2-300. $40 to refill it. There should be a decent supply of good used tanks around as the bull semen industry is pretty proactive about replacing tanks. There can be mid 5 digit values of product in those tanks, they don’t want to risk having a tank failure. For repair shop use the value loss on a tank failure should be minimal.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Last time I did a big shrink fit, not even the farmers had any. The other problem is getting it filled. I know it's hard to understand just how bad this region is, I can't even get a tooling rep to stop out. I have a CO2 tank with siphon tube and dry ice maker now, so it should help.

@nschelling6420 2 жыл бұрын

@@TopperMachineLLC Yea, I wasn’t sure what you had readily available in your area. The guy I talked to about a nitrogen tank actually suggested using a dry ice/alcohol bath. He thought that would generate a bath temperature of around -120; I wonder if that wouldn’t be better in some ways than the crazy cold -320 that liquid N is. I worry about affecting the metalurgy at those low temps. I also recently ran across something called an industrial freezer which had a small box compared to a consumer type food freezer and was said to be capable of producing temperatures around -100.

@josemagana7389 Жыл бұрын

Hi. As you know, liquid nitrogen is the way to go. To get small quantities, befriend a nearby family practice doctor or dermatologist. These offices keep a steady supply of liquid nitrogen for medical purposes. They may be willing to share some every so often.

@drevil4454 Жыл бұрын

Love this channel in a non gay sort of way. Not too much yapping part from explaining and a lot of actual work done. Yes!!!

@M_Northstar 2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a machinist or engineer, but I honestly don't think a couple of seconds of compressed air had any chance of cooling down a part of that size and wall thickness. There probably wasn't enough air in that whole can for what you were trying to do. It sucks that you're so far from everything. I live in Sweden, so I know what that's like. The whole country has barely the population of a good sized city in more populous regions, so the customer base for offering a lot of varied services and options just isn't there. You take what you can get, and pay a premium for it. Just yesterday I was looking for a new battery for my phone at a medium large shopping center here in Stockholm, and there were none to be had, not even at the mobile repair shop. Thank God we at least have the internet.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I had it in the freezer overnight before hand. But I won't even be attempting that again. I have the CO2 tank and dry ice maker. I feel for you, as it sounds so similar to my area.

@jpsimon206 2 жыл бұрын

Hi there, I'm getting ready to move and I need to downsize my shop significantly. I was wondering if you could recommend any resource besides eBay for used metrology equipment to sell? I don't have the heart to see it go at auction, and I do have some time and space to sell more slowly, but anything that allowed me to sell stuff in larger lots for a decent return would be great to know about. Also, I like you have all manual equipment. A lot of it is shop built. Standard machinery dealers or something else entirely? Thanks for your time

@glenncpw 2 жыл бұрын

I was hoping you would get it going under "it's own steam", I enjoyed the video all the same...

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to, but he stores it with antifreeze in it. Stops rust and won't freeze. He is going to let me know when he steams it and I'll go shoot some of it.

@BrucePierson 2 жыл бұрын

That was a very interesting repair. How many times did this repair scare you when you thought something might or did go wrong?

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Several. Afraid of breaking the pulley in the chuck, sticking the hub(which did happen), pressing it in, almost every step touching that pulley. Glad it's done, but it was fun also.

@BeigeAlert 2 жыл бұрын

Dry ice is probably your best bet. The canned air can be several different chemicals but the usual choices boil at just below home freezer temperature, difluoroethane boils at -25℃/-13℉, so you're not going to really get much colder using them. (Boiling propane at -42℃ is colder but a huge fire hazard, dry ice is -78℃ and pretty safe). I have -80℃ freezers in the biochemistry lab but you wouldn't want to pay for one!

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I had only tried it because a few others suggested it. It was in the freezer overnight before spraying it. Almost wonder if it warmed it some. Lesson learned and I now can make dry ice.

@BeigeAlert 2 жыл бұрын

@@TopperMachineLLC Yeah, the freezer was probably roughly 0F and the "canned air" is about -13F but you've got it out in the warm open while you spray it so it's probably really at best not getting any colder.... If you can't get liquid nitrogen dry ice is clearly your best option!

@samhendrix378 2 жыл бұрын

Some of the worlds best machinist swear worse than a sailor about anything.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Yup, that's me. You have no idea how hard I try not to in these videos. Family friendly

@tangowhiskeytrailertranspo6662 Жыл бұрын

Liquid Nitrogen, you can get it from your gas supplier.

@glennmoreland6457 2 жыл бұрын

The idea Josh......is you send HER out shopping, then when she's out of the way you can use her freezer.... Auld Yorkshire proverb say: "What the eye don't sees the eye don't takes no notice of" 🇬🇧😐

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Do I really want her spending all our money so I can use the freezer? Lol.

@chuck1352 Жыл бұрын

is that cotton wood fuzz all over the engine?

@ellieprice363 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t help but wonder why you indicated the bore since it’s going to be bored out? Seems like only the OD would need to be true.

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Mostly because of the flex of the pulley from the forces of the 4 jaw. I've done a few different things similar to this. You always set up off the OD, and fine tune the ID. It's the best way I have found to do these.

@kappullen 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Ellie Price. It's always nice to have the od and faces running true. Won't get it necessarily indicating the bore. That key is highly stressed every revolution as the flywheel goes through powered to momentum cycles twice per revolution. A couple thousandths of slop in the key will produce a considerable knock in the engine. I drill and tap crankshaft ends and turn up a keeper plate to keep flywheels in place. Also need two screws in the plate or one roll pin to act as a rotation lock. The key would serve here in a slotted retainer plate.

@miningsimple1924 Жыл бұрын

How would you get that tapered key out?

@basbh1782 Жыл бұрын

2 or 3 jaw gear puller to pull the pulley key comes out with the pulley

@johnlee8231 2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't of thought a .002 press fit would of caused any problems on the press? Have you seen issues with a pulley press fit before?

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I have seen some problems. Mostly when there are unseen cracks in the cast. In this case, there was no way to replace the pulley.

@iancraig1951 2 жыл бұрын

What issues are you talking about with your boring bar Josh---less stickout than your long drill..regards E

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

That little bar just likes to chatter. It's never worked great. I'm surprised it performed well for the camera.

@iancraig1951 2 жыл бұрын

@@TopperMachineLLC Josh I live in west oz on the south coast and supply of boring bars are nil so I have made most of my own--20 or 30 mostly grade 8 bolts or similar...I am surprised it chatters because it looks like a carbide bar--maybe the insert is at fault...E

@wilsonlaidlaw 2 жыл бұрын

American steam traction engines always look very spindly and lightly built, compared with British ones, especially the wheels. Any thoughts as to why that might be?

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

No idea. Guessing you Brit's are just better at designing things. 😁 Your engines also go way faster than ours. We cruise at about 3mph or less.

@bigmikex2333 Жыл бұрын

You will likely find if you just spray the part with liquid CO2 it will cool it enough to do your shrink fit. Trying to make dry ice uses a lot of CO2.

@TopperMachineLLC Жыл бұрын

I am sure you are correct, but making the dry ice will be far safer. Even at the cost of CO2, it is still cheaper to make it than for me to drive 2 hours to acquire it.

@greg9486 2 жыл бұрын

i know save the earth but i have used freon after the freezer several times it worked I'm sure there is a better way its 13$ a can

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

I had a HVAC guy explain how all refrigerants,except the new stuff, is naturally occurring in volcanic eruptions. So, is it really that bad?

@greg9486 2 жыл бұрын

@@TopperMachineLLC no its not just some people want to control everyone

@mfc4591 2 жыл бұрын

Not even beer in a can is any good

@wkjeeping9053 9 ай бұрын

I would have machined that outer faced to make it look good for the guy. They most likely repainted it before going back on

@TopperMachineLLC 9 ай бұрын

You do the job you're paid for, not free extras. That is how you stay in business.

@thecuddaking 2 жыл бұрын

When you get your dry ice get you some isopropyl alcohol too and poor that into the dry ice. It makes poor mans liquid nitrogen.

@keithmonarch447 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Josh. Keith from Michigan and I did get your number. I don't want to interrupt you on a job in process. Is there any specific time that would be best to call you. Such as sometime over this upcoming weekend. Thanks....

@TopperMachineLLC 2 жыл бұрын

Anytime this morning. I tend not to be in the shop on the weekends.