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My man, it's been a long time since I saw someone with a NeoTokyo pfp

Yes. Please.

The only game I've seen with support for simultaneous mouse and controller input is BeamNG. And I use it. Mouse and controller is technically superior both to mouse and keyboard and to controller alone in several types of games. In the context of a first person game, mouse is far better than a stick for camera, but WASD provides less movement precision than a stick.

@@jlco I think all Assassin's Creeds since Unity do it too imo the most frustrating thing is when you first need to use a device before the device gets active, such as in MGSV

Bro, you forgot the W I I U G A M E P A D

@@AdondeBoy wii whu?

I'm glad the steam controller is somehow back, within the Steam Deck

you forgot the xbox 360 controller, gamecube controller, etc

@@AdondeBoy the deck is the gamepad and steam controller's baby

Though I would prefer no steam input API over a botched implementation (which is what usually happens). It can really limit the player if you don't do it right

@@CrackCECKer Luckily you still have legacy support even with a lackluster implementation

When you say you want more games like Prey and Days Gone what exactly do you mean?

@@okolokoP Games that make perfect use of the Steam Input API with highly customizable controls that allow for seamless use of touchpads, gyro, and extra buttons not found on traditional controllers. Prey, for example, dynamically updates all the in-game button prompts based off of your specific Steam Input config and will display button prompts for controllers that came out after that game was released because it uses the button prompts Steam tells it to use rather than what the game devs coded in. It's a future proof way to support all controllers.

Why give to consoles that just take games hostages, while giving less services to the customer?

@@danieleproia Because making it so that developers only have to use one input API would allow them to focus on it and get the implementation *right.* Business as usual is: consoles first, XInput second, Mouse & Keyboard third, Steam Input never. The point is stealing consoles' and XInput status as first-class citizens.

Tying "Steam Input" to Steam is anti-consumer and monopolistic. It discourages people from buying the game on other storefronts, as the input support won't be as good, and that discourages developers from releasing their games on other storefronts. Valve must decouple this technology and release it as a standalone library not depending on Steam. Too bad this will never happen.

The gnu knows what's up. Make it open source as the cherry on top. Then everyone on pc will gladly support this, and it'll be awesome.

@@voxelfusion9894 A fully-featured, multi-platform, Steam-independent implementation with a permissive FOSS license would, of course, be awesome. But I'm just asking about the bare minimum for it to at least be viable to use without Steam, so developers don't have to choose between 1. developing and maintaining multiple input implementations, 2. not support Steam Input or 3. be locked into Steam.

So what I'm saying is make s kernel or userspace driver

Is that useful when there's already so many buttons though? Like, the steam deck has more buttons on it than any controller i've ever seen. why use precious screen real estate. I mean sure, why not give us the option I guess, but what personally will you do with it, i'm curious.

​@@derekfurst6233 One of the strengths of pc's is the flexibility with input devices. Even if you or I dont have an immediate use for it, opening up the ability to use the touch screen in more arbitrary ways is bound to be useful to someone. Its kind of a "the more options, the better" type thing.

@@derekfurst6233 Some games may require a very large number of keys to be played effectively. Doom has a large number of weapons and when using a controller you need to awkwardly open a circular menu which slows down the game and (arguably) ruins the slow. Why not just have a button for every weapon?

@@derekfurst6233 you should check out rumbletan's steam controller layouts for Arma and Star Citizen. That will probably give you an idea of the input options you can achieve with more than just the basic inputs of a normal game pad.

@@ThePC007 Playing a shooter on a controler is already a compromise, playing it on a handheld device is even more of a compromise. The steam deck already has more buttons than normal controllers, why add even more on the 7in screen?

God I would love to able to use another buton to select a radial option

Mine is no longer usable :(

or produce more steam controllers

I dont really agree. Xinput allowed for a standardized way for developers to have a controller as a viable alternative to mouse and keyboard. What Steam is doing is just improving on what was already there!

@@MonkeyVoices But here's a problem: *XInput only works for Xbox Controllers* . If you were to support PlayStation or Nintendo Switch Controllers, it won't work under XInput and they might have to rely on Input Mappers for it. Hell, it doesn't support Motion Sensors nor Touchpads! The best way to support these guys is to use DirectInput, Windows.Gaming.Input (has a Raw Gamepad Input support), Sony's API (for the case with DualShock 4/DualSense) or use a third party Input Mapper. Currently, the best way to support all Major Controller Types is using either Steam Input (either with Gamepad Emulation like how 343 Industries did with Halo Infinite or their Input Library) or SDL2...which is what Steam Input uses.

I think the usual display that shows the controller is useful when they don't know what controller you're using. on the steam deck though, you're 99% of the time going to be using the steam deck controller. Maybe they found its not necessary? idk.

One thing the Steam Input config UI is really missing is a good way to learn how someone else's configuration works. Sometimes there's extra game configuration required or a particular way to use the configuration that's not obvious without instructions, and there's currently no good way to communicate that to people browsing configs. There should be more facilities for providing documentation on a config besides a title and some unformatted description text.

Heck, it should be possible to add a binding to display reference information while playing. It's easy to forget less frequently used bindings.

I agree but I don't see that happening. It could cause too many problems or too much confusion if you bought a game though Xbox and have to use SI or something. Plus, 'adding a non-steam game' fixes this anyway.

I use the Steam controller too and watching this I'm a bit scared. Not only are everything you mentioned absent, but specific settings for very specific optimizations are absent such as sensitivity sliders. If this is going to be the new big picture mode this is very concerning.

@@null6001 I agree. I understand why the engineers would want to make it simple because the steam controller is a bit difficult to adopt... But also, give us the option, please.

@@Tragn988 My recommendation to them is to have advanced have to be toggled on in main settings for it to show so new people aren't overwhelmed. I doubt they'll just throw away 5 years of controller development just to appeal to new people. Also another concern I have is if there is going to be a big picture config and a guide chord config.

@@null6001 yeah that is exactly my though too.

Also I just noticed there's an old configurator button at the bottom when they showed it off.

Steam input on PC has been pretty great for me

What are those game abbreviations

@@scarpusgaming Tony Hawk American Wasteland and Tony Hawk Underground

They made this video for their beloved steam deck. They don't give a shit about the steam controller and that's really unfortunate because it's was one of their best projects.

@@rodeofrancisco6130 Well of course, but while you say that, Steam Input on Steam Deck is extremely limited. It's literally just xbox plus keyboard and mouse. 11 4/2 analog input axes, but it can only output 6 2/2 axes including the mouse and triggers. Basically half of the inputs are redundant. It's absolute crap.

Is there any reason you don't dual boot to a more gaming focused operating system? I'm all for supporting all devices, but macOS might be the least gaming focused operating system in existence. If i were you, i'd dual boot into something like manjaro

@@derekfurst6233 You can't really do that. Apple Silicon Macs aren't x86_64/amd64 PCs, they use Apple's own ARM-based SoC. Even if you get Linux on it, which isn't currently great, you won't be able to run the Linux version of Steam on that architecture.

@@derekfurst6233 Boot camp dual boot doesn't work on Apple silicon Macs. Other virtualization methods are a hassle and/or add costs.

It took me a week of work to figure out how to use it in my game do you need help?

@@TheHassoun9 I would be grateful for any pointers in the right direction.

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I think a lot of the reason there is no HL3, they fear it wont live up to the hype and expectations that the fans are having. If it doesn't, that would ruin them greatly.