Tower is probably happier if you call it a "steep spiral," instead of an "emergency descent." They'd probably have more questions for you.

Love how the plastic cover plate over the instruments is flopping loosely like it is about to fall off just like every Cessna ever.

Can't wait to do some of these in the next few days, on the last leg of my commercial, your videos have helped me through the whole journey.

I think it's worth clarifying that a steep spiral can be an emergency descent, but not all emergency descents are steep spirals. I don't recall there being a specific emergency descent procedure in the POH for a C-172 K model, but in some aircraft there is a prescribed procedure. If the examiner asks for an emergency descent in an airplane that has one described in the POH, it would be appropriate to fly that procedure.

Way to go Jason! You keep pulling some good stuff out of the bag. Always interested in your next video. Chuck🛫🛬

Great skill demonstrated here. I do enjoy the books and video library, especially the personal stories you share. The tips have helped me a great deal. Cheers

that was a thing of beauty....smooth

this video was so awesome. Im a student pilot in john wayne airport, California and I was even a little nervous just watching this....

Man your awesome, i'm a beginner Pilot and I appreciate your work.

Excellent video, and a great skill for every pilot. Tracy Reed is right, we can come down a lot faster, but this is geared towards Private. The commercial standard I was taught was to get the speed down to best glide for that amount of bank- around 75 and coordinated- then bring it down about 1500-1700 fpm. But, one must have an eagle eye on attitude and airspeed, and Jason, you are doing this for private standards, right? But the main things are attitude, position at 1000 agl (abeam the field for landing, ready to turn downwind), and close enough to do the power off 180 from that spot. All of which you covered beautifully. In Texas, every field is a landing field, but you still have to set it up properly. Very clear demonstration! (Hey Jason, I am almost to my CFIA! Thanks for all the support!)

Good video, Jason, but I disagree that a steep spiral is the same as an emergency descent for a number of reasons: 1) The Commercial Pilot - Airplane PTS lists a Steep Spiral and an Emergency Descent as two different maneuvers, with different standards. 2) The Private Pilot - Airplane PTS Emergency Descent description is essentially the same as the Commercial PTS emergency descent description (except to less stringent standards), and is quite different from the Commercial Steep Spiral standards. 3) The Airplane Flying Handbook describes each maneuver in detail (p.8-25 for steep spiral; p.16-6 for emergency descent), and the descriptions do not match. Though in a "real world" emergency situation you will need to use elements from both of these maneuvers, for the purpose of the checkride they are separate maneuvers, entirely independent of one another.

Brilliant, done with confidence, nice one.

Mr. Jason! How are you my good friend! Love Your Detail explanation!!! Love watching these and I know Im struggling with my Commerial Maneuvers :(

I am starting my journey and apriaciate your videos thank you.👍

Loved the video...wish there was a ground based camera as well...had to be a interesting sight from the ground.

Great video, I really like it!

I must say I am impressed by your videos and knowledge. I stumbled across them and have watched several of them. You are a great instructor. As an old flyer myself I wish I had guys like you around when I was learning. By the way would you use the spiral in an engine out situation? Not testing your knowledge just curious. Thanks for the great videos.

Got the first view again hah! On a roll here! Was great to meet you at #OSH15 buddy!

Awesome video just started my commercial maneuvers thank you

Awesome video!! Love it!

Outstanding presentation. Just like "High key" and "Low key" in Naval Flight Training at PNS.

Thanks Jason - I was taught to do a steep spiral/emergency decent with full flaps and holding the airspeed just below Vfe..... that way you're already configured for landing and I think the descent rates are comparable. Thanks.

Awsome lesson. However, how about the forward slip at an extended leg for final?

Great job. I love your video's. Very helpfull.

Hey Jason. Would you recommend this technique for a spot landing competition?

could you do more commercial maneuvers?

Excellent! Yet again

I just love your videos

woundering i'm up for a review are you able to do it for me with your courses?

Awesome video Jason! I am wondering if you trimmed the aircraft once you cut the power or were you just fighting the yoke? Thanks.

Hey Jason, Mike from up north in Alberta, Canada. Just got my PPL this year and Im stoked to have it! My question: Do all flight instructors know about this maneuver? I'd like to take one up and learn it! Looks like a useful trick, and it'd be fun to learn at the same time! :) Thanks! (I'm always learning, does that make me a good pilot? LOL :) )

What was your airspeed? Also, did you lean the mixture to avoid spark plug fouling idling that long? An occasional cockpit snapshot would make sense to see the instruments. Lastly, my CFI mentioned emergency descent and steep spiral as separate maneuvers - the former is to get down as fast as possible at high airspeed but turns don't have to be that steep (30-45 deg), while the latter is more about high bank angle of 50-60 degrees, but airspeed should be more like best glide speed. Can you comment on these points please..?

Enjoyed your video and subbed your channel, thanks!

Just practiced this yesterday with my CFI . Great video

What airspeed should i keep through out the maneuver? Thanks

Awesome video.

Awesome. I’m practicing this tomorrow!

On the commercial test, does the examiner usually link the steep spiral to the power off 180? seems like the way you did it makes sense.

Fantastic video, thank you!

I had this thrown at me during my checkride. Unfortunately, I didn't do it to the examiner's expectation. The PTS doesn't actually say how to do it. Which is what my instructor and the FAA argued when I failed that part of the ride. So, how do you handle that? And what about different aircraft. The POH for the Cherokee does not have that in it.

Well you just made a three pointer landing. I was stopped from doing that by my instructor yet thats when I get the smoothest landing.

Ocala is a great airport to fly into tower is always friendly and the restaurant has some good food.

I wonder if it is possible to perform this kind of maneuver when instrument flight is required given the weather condition?

Brilliant flying, fantastic landing, great skills, couldn't wish to see more.Great idea to pull some Carby heat once or twice in the descent and a warm-up blast or two to clear the plugs. Anyone who has read: " Fate is the hunter" by Ernest K Gann, will remember that he too, had to do an identical Emergency Spiral approach, (and them some) due to a hydraulic malfunction in a C54/DC4 ,no less. He did not mention "pulling on some Carby heat" but it sure makes sense to do so.However, he did mention that the 4 mighty radials were "crackling and tinkling and cooling:' far below their prescribed limits, or cooling far too quickly.However, they opened up ok as he straightened her out and he did a text book landing, as did you..Well done

Years ago, Rick Geiger in Montana taught me to descend like this in my Maule at full flaps. IIRC, it dropped at close to 2,000 FPM. Does that sound about right? I will test this in my Aerotrek A220 (Kitfox clone) with and without Flaperons and report back.

I remember that from my commercial check ride and training.

Nice trick Jason. Do you have more of that to share?

This manoeuvre was developed by military to safely land planes in the war zone. Also commonly used by tow planes to quickly land to safe fuel. If it is part of an official training, it means USA is preparing pilots for more than just a civilian flights... In such small airplane you can get even faster using spin on the enge of the runway, recover straight into spiral and land (breaking 2000fpm at low speed).

I am having an issue with keeping my point during a steep spiral. What is the best way to correct that?

What's the difference between the emergency descent/ steep spiral landing and the Sarajevo/ combat landing?

This is kinda off topic, I'm just curious? What camera mount do you use on your wings?

If he’s trying to do a maximum descent, why would he not extend his flaps initially?

Killed it!!!

Good Show!!

Jason, what was your airspeed during the steep spiral (60 deg bank angle)

Cool video guys thanks.

Great video thanks

Jason: good tip I like most of your videos. What airspeed are you using in the steep spiral or are you just using 1000 feet per min. on the VSI as your reference? Of course you don't want to exceed a safe speed though. Thanks

Gonna go out and try the steep spiral this weekend. just got my grades back up and I am un-grounded for the weekend and the wx looks good.. ha...

Jason... Sup buddy. Love your vids.. I fly out of KTTD.. Oregon Hey how important is it to stay coordinated in this steep spiral and also what airspeed should I aim for ? Chris Duvall

Good job.

Awesome video! You mentioned that a good idea would be to have the area you're circling underneath you're left main wheel. My question is, how would I determine that if im seating in the right seat as a CFI? From that angle I find it pretty hard to see anything under or near the left side.

Sorry if I missed it - what's the airspeed during these turns? Thanks!

The student looks like Tim Conway. This clip has the quality of a nice comedy skit. But it is a good training material. Thanks!!

Hey Jason! My instructor taught me full flap emergency descent... Staying below vfe ofcourse . What are your thoughts on full flap descents?

wow great information

What's your recommendation on airspeed for a 172RG? I've searched for flap setting recommendations for emergency decent (w/o structural damage) and most say extend gear but leave out flaps and let the Vfe be your speed limit. Since the 172RG has a Vfe of 162, Vlo of 138, and Vno 142, I'm thinking 60 degree bank with Vlo would be wise choice if gear is extended while entering the descent. Please advise.

Excellent

You banked it 60 degrees to start and then made comment that you were in a 30 degree bank. When did you make the reduction and why? What changed would you make in your steep spiral if there was a cross wind during the descent?

do you pull the yoke as soon as you bank 60?

Excellent!

What airspeed did you maintain? BTW a good aerobatic pilot could easily spun it in.

Are you based out of the Ocala Airport?

real vague...

I was taught to have a steeper angle of descent which would normally result in a high airspeed but also to pull some G's causing lots of drag from induced lift to get a greater rate of descent than 1000fpm with the idea being that you are on fire and need to get down ASAP. This gets you down faster which would be useful in a fire situation but you do have to be sure to arrest the rate of descent at the appropriate time.

That is so cool! Wish I`d have known and practiced that in my 10yr. 1600hr. tenure. Did 600 hrs in my RV-4. to end it (gas prices and income) I always landed from a high approach. Arnold Palmer (an experienced twin driver besides golfer) said "I never saw a short put go in". That`s what I`d tell the idiots, at the local strip, when they `d say I came in too high. (had to rant)

The ACS says you have to keep a constant radius from your point and not to exceed a 60 degree bank and have to do 3 turns and recover 1500ft AGL.

I like the slip for loosing altitude, but the spiral is cool to, done that many times. All depends on altitude.

Very nice.

Hey Jason, it was a pleasure meeting you and your team at Oshkosh! One thing I am not totally clear on is at such a steep angle (60 degrees!), what is preventing a spin? Being coordinated with the rudder does the trick? With my CFI we did 45 degree steep turns, but not spiraling in like this... Thanks!

Wow that’s cool, I will be asking my instructor to do this with me!

Specific airspeed?? Just at or below Va?

Nice video Jason. Just a question, do you think side slip would be as efficient to descent quickly? Thanks

I enjoyed the video, an especially the relaxed mood you presented. I was disappointed however that you made no mention of airspeeds throughout the maneuver. Important to me, as I have been given conflicting information on speeds to use.

Thank you, very cool landing , thank you.

Awesome Thank you

Can we fly with you if we come to Ocala? Would love to fly and learn something new from you.

Now you are glider flying Jason. I think most people, (let's say who are unfamiliar with flying) would be amazed and perhaps even shocked at how long it takes to descend when you need to get down fast. (That is, short of pointing the nose at the ground of course) Many people believe without power (just like in the movies) a plane comes screaming out of the sky like a rocket and crashes like so much scrap iron. Glider pilots have to learn how to manage energy and always hit the mark where they plan to land. Of course you could go around, maybe if you still have enough energy left but most of the time to land you have already bled off your speed and you will need to be on the mark or else be in the weeds or the dreaded off field landing which entails a lot of work to retrieve your bird. I am glad they are including emergency descents in the check ride now. Many never practice it and when the need arises they may panic which can be fatal. Thanks for another great example of things pilots should know and practice. This one could be a life saver.

why dont use flap when spiral

Radio stations are looking for people that can gas on non stop like this dude. I'm off to make myself a Panadol sandwich.

Jason did u land with flaps 10 only..??

My training 40 years ago was full flap for emergency descent. Is that no longer taught?

Thank you it’s so easy in a DA40

Very helpful Thnx

Wow! I've been around flying for years and this is the first I've seen of that. Nicely done! :-)

what was your airspeed during that 60 degree spiral? It was never mentioned in the video.

LOL. "Many years ago"...

Can one perform this maneuver with a dead engine and no instruments. So your private plane was hit by a really strong lightning strike and you're at 3,000'?

Is this a spiral instability?

Cool. Never did this before. Spin's, spirals, side slips, engine failures, step turns. Interesting