BINGO. They didn't even show the remainder of the first set tiebreak which was very key in the match. Just by watching the entire video, it became one of those "highlights" videos that is biased towards another player. You could tell when it's one of those biased/wishful thinking types of "highlights" videos when the one who lost the match has more of their points selected for the video. You have to call these out.

true

@@alexsdb9712 What? A player can win a match with barely any highlightable points (Wozniacki who is known for hitting barely any winners or unforced errors), and another can lose while hitting 50 winners (Ostapenko who can hit a lot of winners but 60+ unforced errors in a match.) Highlights only show the most fun parts of the match--they don't show the points where the opponent hits their return into the net off a 65 MPH serve. Why show that? Who wants to see that in a highlights video?

Yeah I feel the same, In tennis u must know the score at all time's so u know what's what & where the game's at & stuff! It's actually quite frustrating watching old highlights of matches in this way!

In women's* tennis history. The greatest moment overall is the Wimbledon 2008 final.

@@jameswalker6864 No, it wasvthe moment when Steffi completed the Golden Slam in 1988.

I agree with you Oyama. I have watched this many times because there is so much artistry and athleticism on display in this match from two great champions of the sport. For that reason this is also my favorite matchup in all of tennis: the power, grace and movement of Graf versus the fearlessness, incredible timing and sheer force of Seles. 🎾💚🎾💚🎾

Graf and Seles played only 15 matches, but that will rimain in the history, expecially this and the final Roland Garros '92. Champions with their won't be no more.

especially if stabby Gunther is available...

That was nice to see, considering the nasty comments from the Seles family after the stabbing towards Steffi!

I actually thought it was an act, and felt that she was quite phony. She was questioning every line calls, applaud unnecessarily a Graf's unremarkable winner only because she was leading 40-0 on serve and acted like a victim every time she lost a point through close call.

@@robertdrass9504Seles never came across as a very authentic person.

Drama Queen and a liar does not make someone gracious.

@Max E yeah a little… but the positional game from her compensates that

I am an older millennial and people assume I idolize Rafa or Roger but in reality I've watched tons of Steffi Graf matches and modeled part of my game after her. lol

Ok, Graf is a great champ. But I have even greater esteem for Monica Seles. She had everything to become the greatest female tennis player ever. Alas, fate decided otherwise.

@@jansnauwaert1785 I respect Seles but her style of play is very difficult to emulate. Thats a lifetime of practing risky, flat shots. on both wings. Unique in the open aera and not great to copy

@@user-be5qg7mr1s Yep, you are right, I think. But nobody should feel the need to emulate her. She had a very personal way of playing indeed.

Seles was also graceful in defeat.

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True, and neither she nor Graf had to look to their coaches after missing shots. or celebrate every point. Yes, the game has changed, but I honestly think many of today's players (men and women) would play better if they didn't waste so much energy between points. I'll crawl back under my rock now.

People used to call it screaming and hindrance ( and still some haters do), they had no idea what was waiting for them in the future and honestly serves them right.

You are admitting that 'caterwauling' is distracting/annoying now but seemingly absolving Seles at the same time? Not sure about your logic. Navratilova and her peers called Seles out on this at Wimbledon one year. Graf did not. She just let her racquet do the talking and beat Seles in the Wimbledon final easily. Would that more players did the same

@@FrederickJohnSebastian Seles lost that Wimbledon final because all the criticism had gotten in her head. She didn't grunt in that match. After that, she swore never to listen to critics again.

@@gretchenlittle6817 100% right. Just get on with it. Also annoyed by the constant affirmation modern players need from their box. Do you really need a fist pump and cheers after every point? Looks so weak.

Plus steffi’s slice just sat up right into seles’ sweet spot on slow rebound aced of melbourne. Here in NY, steffi’s sliced just died and she knifed🔪 thru the ball and yanked her opponent around the court. Its an unbelievable sight to see her sliced went toe to toe with seles’ powerful two hander from both wings. Steffi was IT!!!

@@fuckurbody I love how the slice and forehand balanced her game out and kept her opponets off balance.. This pairing is truly devastating at the highest level.

I wish these two competed against each other at the US Open before 1993.

@@deedledave9826 They played only one match on a USO-like surface pre-stabbing - in 1991 in San Antonio. Steffi easily won with 64 63.

Fake and phony.

noticing the same ❤

Navratilova is too salty against Graf coz it was Graf who effectively ended her reign as the top player in the world in 1987.

Evert and navratilova do not like steffi graf. They are humans after all, steffi ended those 2 champions so they got very excited when seles came around to challenge steffi. Steffi surpassed their 18 slam total swiftly….. as deservedly so with her mastering all clay, grass and hard court slams.

@@fuckurbody neither of them benefited from the exceptional conditions the attack on Seles and her resulting absence from the tour created. The tour went through a very soft phase in the mid 90s with Seles out, Navratilova retiring, Sabatini losing her edge. Post stabbing until end of 1996 Graf lost only 15 matches and the only players beating her more than once were Sanchez-Vicario and Pierce. And 2 of the 15 losses were fed cup matches, where conditions are always special. And I guess both of them are salty because of the losses against her, especially evert who never won against Graf after completely dominating early stages of their rivalry.

@@jujumusique1305 so i remember kimiko date beat steffi graf in that crazy 3 sets fed cup match in japan. whats the other fed cup loss??

@@fuckurbody Bradtke (Provis) in 1993. Complete anomaly that Graf would lose to this player ^^

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The ball was so far out that Steffi shook her head in disgust about Seles and the chauvinistic NYC crowd.

@@carrerau7138

@@networth00 The ball was CLEARLY out, you fool.

@@carrerau7138 100% in, I'd bet my life on it.

@@networth00this carerrau guy is a steffi obsessive , he comments on every post and hates Seles. Embarrassing and depressing really

Yup. You described it perfectly. She was a shell of her former self especially fitness wise, Graf aside she was losing to girls she'd normally have beaten.

Sadly true

Not only fitness but her mental health, let's remember that her post stab years she suffer ansieaty that led her to eat more and more. It was just after the end of her career that she was able to take care of her mental health and get fitter than ever

Very true

What made the difference is they played as the players they were, the same then, the same today and always. Medical reasons are the only legit excuses: getting tired is life and should not be mentioned.

serena the goat

🙄 we all know the goat is Serena lol wake up

​@@Jonmyers89 That is the pop culture stupidity view. BOTH Williams's were coached and instructed by their dad to scream and howl just to annoy and distract the competition. Without their cheating, including steroids, they would both have a handful less slams as well as other titles minus. Serena: 'If you're going to check me for steroids, you're going to have to check everyone,' virtually admitting her she was a cheater. Steffi IS The GOAT, along with Margarette Court.

@@rnsw4572 ​ That is the pop culture stupidity view. BOTH Williams's were coached and instructed by their dad to scream and howl just to annoy and distract the competition. Without their cheating, including steroids, they would both have a handful less slams as well as other titles minus. Serena: 'If you're going to check me for steroids, you're going to have to check everyone,' virtually admitting her she was a cheater. Steffi IS The GOAT, along with Margarette Court.

@Markus E definitely full of steroids, and sadly, serena will never get caught using the ol racism ploy.

Seles was a great competitor definitely better than williams or ant player today.graf on the other hand was tennis perfection and at her very best no other female player in history comes close.

Difference being that Steffi is 5-2 win/loss against a #1-ranked Seles. I doubt that Federer has a comparable record against #1 Joker.... 😄

Absolutely agree with you spot on with your comments. She was graceful in defeat and the best mover of all time. I didn’t want the SERB to win the Golden slam or slam this year he would have forever gloated that he was the best of all time. For me there will ALWAYS be two other players in that mix even if he surpasses 20 GS!!

Steffi Is Simply The Best! The GOAT!

To Bad Steffi Retired At The Age Of 30! She Would Of Won More Grand Slams! The Greatest Of All Time! The GOLDEN SLAM 1988! Only Player To Achieve This!

Serena had no competition??? When Serena first achieved her 'Serena Slam) in 2002-2003 when she held all 4 grandslam titles at the same time,the competition and class at the top of Women's tennis was INSANE! 1999 to 2007 (approx) is THE golden age of Women's tennis with the greatest generation of young players at or near their peak. Serena defeated: Hingis, Venus, Capriati, Davenport, Henin, Pierce, Clijsters, Sanchez-Vicario, Seles, Mauresmo and a crop of other talented younger players who maybe ultimately didn't fulfil their potential but at the time were very competitive and seemed poised for the top like Dokic, Dementieva, Lukic, Kournikova. The aforementioned players all multiple Slam winners and light years better than the opposition Steffi faced in her 1988 Golden Slam year where her real only competition and the only player she beat who was a multiple grandslam winner was Martina Navratilova then in her 30s and 4 years older than the age at which Steffi herself retired! Steffi's golden slam was a great achievement but the quality of her opponents were not in the same league as Serena's. Steffi beating Zvereva in the FO final 6-0 6-0 in 1988 was an example of how woeful the competition was, despite Steffi's excellence. To argue Serena faced no tough competition is willfully misrepresenting and twisting historical facts to suit your Steffi bias. Until the emergence of that golden generation in women's tennis, starting with the emergence of Davenport, Hingis and Venus in the mid-late 90s (a fallow period for Steffi when she failed to win any slams despite still being in her late 20s) aside from the top 2 or 3, competition/competiveness in women's tennis was atrocious. As commentators used to say back then, the women's tournament only began in the semi-finals given how often the top 2 or 3 players almost always made it there. I mean Chris Evert only failed 2 or 3 times IN HER CAREER to make a slam semi-final. That was also an indictment of how poor the competition was in the 70s and 80s as much as Evert's excellence.

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well said

It's true. Instead Monica was the istint killer more big than the history of the tennis.

When Steffi brought her A game Seles usually was toast.

La que no la temia y fue la única jugadora que más veces le ganó a Steffi fue la talentosísima Gaby Sabatini.

The guy who stabbed Seles received only a slap on the wrist....unreal.

This crowd was very different from the one we know today, They applauded to Steffi's points too. Today they would be dead silent, cheering only to her faults. Monica had it way harder, after a break from the sport lasting two and a half years, yet she played on an incredible level.

The crowd was by far not as hostile as the one Hingis was exposed to at FO 99. Not even close.

@@jujumusique1305 Hingis brought all that upon herself.

@@tennispeak she did. And yet people can choose to be magnanimous about that. Or not.

@@jujumusique1305I would always chose to be not magnanimous towards a brat. The destruction of Martina Hingis by the combined forces of Steffi Graf and the Roland Garros crowd in 1999 is still my favorite sports moment of all time (even ahead of the “Miracle on Ice“).

her game is timeless..looks how she handles power players. NO ONE can match her footwork and speed. She grew up on clay so that also her become a complete player from anywhere on the court

she was always thrashed by lori mcneil

@@arslaanpasha3334 Graf lead their rivarly 8-1 but go on...

@@tennispeak it's 7-7

@@arslaanpasha3334 I stand corrected; it was 8-2 Graf.

Her retirement had more to do with constant injuries than anything else. Like she said when announcing it, for the first time she wasn't excited before starting a tournament; she was tired of being in constant pain. People have no idea how bad her body was, because she didn't talk about it.

She had played since 13 /14 and won 22 slams . I don't blame her for retiring at 30. She could've won a few more slams but wanted a life.

Seles would have surpassed Graf without the stabbing it was clear to see.

@@70sivarto H2H Steffi Leads! Before The Stabbing! And 1992 WIMBLEDON FINAL Steffi Destroyed Seles! !

@GoTeam She won at grand slams before her 20th birthday, what more do you want?

@GoTeam I don't need proof to have an opinion, stop being silly😳

@GoTeam I don't take you seriously. It matters not.

5 really superb Graf backhands! 😍

GOAT! If She dont retire at 30, she could win 25 or 30 GS

It’s the rivals sabatini , Fernandez, novotna, Sanchez vicario, oh wow and an old Navratilova in late 80’s . Seles beat her in slam finals l8ke no one else really could. Seles had Steffi number when Seles was stabbed. She doesn’t play for 2.5 years and almost beats graf in her second tournament back ? Navratilova and evert had the other in thecway. For 5-7 years graf had no one.

1-1 in third Seles is fatigued.

@@lenwelch2195 If anyone ever had Steffi's number, it was Sabatini, not Seles. Sabatini beat Graf five times in a row at one point. Seles only won 4 of the last 7 times they played before the stabbing (1990-1993); in fact, Graf actually won 3 of the last 5 times they played (1991-1993). And three of the times Seles beat Graf, the matches were quite competitive (Graf has several set points in the 1st set at the 90 FO final, the 92 FO final was a nailbiter, and the 93 AO final, Graf was up a set and a break. Hardly having "Graf's number" as you say.

Cool. Now tell us how many backhand winners Monica hit.

@@networth00 Seles’ backhand is one of the greatest shots in all of tennis. In this match she used it to get out of 4 or 5 break points in the first set. Her timing is unbelievable. There is a move Seles does with her backhand that I’ve only ever seen from her, and that’s the on-the-rise drop shot (a great example of that is at 34:45). All that said, I happen to be a fan of the beauty of the slice backhand, so I time stamp them to enjoy them again and again. I’ve got some by Federer and Berrettini as well.

Navratilova was fired after CBS after just one year. She was told she was being fired for her "overly pro Seles commentary in general", her "overaly biased commentary against Graf in general" and "general lackluster performance delivery".

@@grantgoffin4774 😜

How that?? 😂🤣😂

graf was one of a few players who didnt want Seles' ranking to be protected for the period she was away as a result of being stabbed by that deranged german fan; not very respectful

@@jjsmith4829how do you know that? Was it because of the vote at Foro Italico?

I was thinking about the same. Monica is winning points and Steffi is losing points and however Steffi was the winner.

Steffi never really endeared herself to american tennis bosses, she just did her thing, won slams and refused to play politics… she hated going to tennis events and she barely made appearances, thats why the USTA never liked her and steffi gave 0 fvcks. Steffi let her racket do the talking, if we compare how US Open treated serena retirement as jesus himself leaving the sport…. US Open 99 didnt even mention steffi graf if I remember correctly, and steffi graf is 5 time champion in NY. They did give steffi a nice send off at season ending championship that year tho (99)

Seles a shadow of herself? That's some shadow! She had not dropped a set prior to this final. Her serve was much better here. Even during her prime she had the lowest winning percentage compared to any previous player who held the number 1 ranking going back to the 80s. Sometimes people want to romanticize I guess

@@FrederickJohnSebastian Yes I can say that, she wasn't the same fitness wise or mentally. Her prime was cut short she was just hardly 20 when that incident stopped her momentum. Also she lost to Arantxa at the French in similar fashion

@@paigehere5176 she was never the fittest player; even in her prime. She admitted as much. Her winning percentage for all women players is lower than other former number 1s and that is prime Seles we are discussing. Her comeback in 1995 had her setting a record for least amount of sets lost in the Canadian Open. Yes, losing to Sanchez Vicario; that just could never happen, right? Dont look now, but you just completely disrespected Sanchez. Something many Seles fans do in claiming every grand slam winner post stabbing/1993 is an asterisk at best because Seles would own them all. Incredibly disrespectful

@@FrederickJohnSebastian No one said she was the fittest but she was fitter than this even she said she felt like she was carrying a few extra kilos everytime she ran. It's not the loss to Vicario, it's the way she did it was very similar to this where the she'd step up her level in the second then tire out by the third. "Disrespectful" Yeah Arantxa would know a thing about that for sure and the last paragraph.... You're getting mad for no reason no one said anything of that that sort.

@@paigehere5176 not mad. Annoyed. Sanchez beat Graf and many others. You're being disingenuous: Seles would clearly beat Sanchez had she not been stabbed; there's no proof to that claim. Just you saying it doesn't make it so. Sanchez more than capable of beating her. She beat Graf. Why can't she beat Seles?

People also forget, or don't know at all, what she went trough with her father; In 1991 Seles didn't play Wimbledon - there was a rumour saying she was pregnant with Graf's father child and had an abortion!! Steffi said she ignored wether Monica was pregnant or not, but implying her father was a bit too much!

@@mariadeolindarocha768 :)))

1988/89 Steffi was the best.

@@mariadeolindarocha768You are confusing Peter Graf with Donald Trump.

Gunther wasn’t in the final.

Not at all.On this game she played against the best ever.Steffi Graf

@@Tina-qx4sk You mean the luckiest ever, due fact of third, the stabbing of seles bias this evaluation.

@@user-kw8ff9ne8lWhat a silly comment.I remind you Steffi won the golden slam.She war incredible fit,forehand,slice and her mental strenth

@@Tina-qx4sk Only because her opponents were incredibly weak,seles was always her biggest trouble.

@@user-kw8ff9ne8l who was Seles opponent at her peak? Same opponent that Steffi used to beat.

This stems from comments in 90% of Steffi videos: Seles is better than Graf…. Steffi would not have 22 if Seles was…. Steffi paid Gunther…Peter Graf was a cheat…Steffi profited from the stabbing…Steffi has no skill compared to Seles.. Steffi has no brain compared to Seles.. Steffi was a one dimensional player compared to Seles.. Steffi never did anything about the stabbing… Steffi Parche..etc etc etc. as a Steffi fan do you expect me to just shut up and allow the clowns to be let in?

From both sides. Although I get the impression that the Graf fans are worse. They just can take it than Seles was, in fact, better than Graf. Until fate decided otherwise.

@@jansnauwaert1785 10-5, 22-9 better only at a buffet.

@@jansnauwaert1785 Seles was, in fact not better than Steffi. Even average Steffi was better than peak Seles. You want proof? In her best year ever (1992) Seles won 93.3 % of her matches. In the whole 1987-96 decade Steffi won 93.8 % of her matches. Peak 1989 Steffi was far better than peak 1992 Seles.

@@markdecena4559 It's true. While the Graf fans respect Seles, the Selestials offende and insult always Graf. I read also phrases defamatory like "Steffi planed the attack to Seles", "Steffi was the lover of Gunter Parche etc..." It's ok to be fans, but all this is absurd.

She would’ve had more slams than Graf for sure.

I must admit, I am a big Steffi Graf fan, but true she wasn't the same again, although here I thought she was on her way back. Did you see her interview with Chris Evert? She shared with Chris that in 1995 in december, her father was diagnosed with cancer and I think that after this news the last bit of pre-stabbed Monica disappeared. I really felt for her, after having seen that interview.

@GoTeam Easily. Graf would have stayed at 10.

@@alextrivunovic644 why 10? Post stabbing Steffi is at 11. You cannot even get your facts right and you’re trying to teach others? What a moro.

@GoTeam She reached the Wimbledon final in 1992. She would have won at least a couple.

She didn’t trust it for a reason.

NO the topspin bounced up high, right where Monica's sweet spot was. Graf knew what she was doing, you don't.

@@tennispeak Not as a generally shot.. just for the pace when the court is open.

Same here about hate. I hated Seles since I first saw her in 1988. Disgusting woman.

Should would could too bad 😢

@@markdecena4559look at you, lacking class. Tell me you’re a graf fan, without telling me.

Shoulda..woulda..coulda.. the only thing different is Steffi does not gorge herself on butter and mcd.

The only difference between Steffi and the witch is that Steffi does not feed her face with butter and Mcd.

I think they can even win slams maybe dominate especially with the technology and advances in recovery and strenght. They will be a nice addition to the mix together with the belgians, williams' sisters and the Russians

@@dbj4th443 the Williams, the Belgians, the Russians? These players are all ancient.

@@dbj4th443 I agree, you know wilson will make a special raquet for Steffi to amplify her game.

Trent .top twenty are you serious. They would both be utterly dominant.

In the mix is an understatement. They would be winning slams! Lolz

😂 Are you for real? You think you can see this from that perspective and distance on a low-resolution TV picture?? Look at Steffi, she is visibly disgusted that Seles is protesting the out call!

@@carrerau7138 Did you do what I said? You can clearly see the ball is in. Yes, you can see it.

@@networth00 lol, get your eyes examined!

@@carrerau7138 You didn't watch it in slow motion. Bye.

@@networth00 There have been hundreds of incidents in the last 20 years when even on a modern high-resolution TV a ball seemed to be on the line - only with Hawkeye then proving it was actually out. You don’t seem to watch tennis a lot. Steffi is on record saying that the ball was at least 10 cm out. And she indicated that Seles apparently just wanted to fire up the home crowd.

I wish Gunther had more money to travel.

Definitely. Seles was already on par or even ahead of Graf at all slams (3 AO each, 3-2 FO Seles, 2 USO each) and major events like YEC (3-2 Seles) in the spring of 1993, with the notable exception of Wimbledon (4-0 Graf). Graf was up with 9 slams and 2 YEC to 0 in the spring of 1990 and won only 2 slams while Seles won 8.

@@jujumusique1305 Steffi improved a lot again post-slump. Seles only won so much because Steffi was far worse in 1991/92 than in 1988/89.

Agreed! Over half of Graf's titles would have been Monica's.

​. I Agree. Steffi Had Personal Problems. With Her Dad Affairs. She Was Not On Her Game. Between 1991-92. Seles Was Lucky. Graf Had Injuries Personal Problems! Still Managed To Win GRAND SLAMS! Seles Was OVERRATED!

@@rickschroeder232Which 12+ titles would that have been? Come on, add them up. You are you just the usual nationalistic Yankee clown?

I’m a Selestial and this match was indeed very painful

Monica pushing Graf to 3 sets after a 2 1/2 year absence is quite a feat. *Monica BEAT UP Steffi at the 99 Aussie Open* Poor Steffi lost in straight sets 7-5 6-1 😆

@@joeyconvery2055 Then she lost to Hingis 2 and 4 in the next round? Am i correct? She desperately won to win that year French Open 99 to erased the memory of 98 Final. But boy oh boy on the slower surface in favor of Monica especially after Monica just won her 1st clay court title at Amelia Island who’s the one who stopped her? STEFFI GRAF!! And guess what Steffi won her last GS tittle beating number 1, 2 and 3 late in her career something Monica couldn’t even do it. Let it go darling i know it hurts..

@@MachoDefeaters Both Monica and Steffi are legends....do you agree?

@@MachoDefeaters I have always admired Steffi's will to win. Only a GOAT would order a hit on her opponent. That's what winners do.

Steffi won 21 slams until age 27. It it weren't for her reconstructive knee surgery in 1998 she surely would have played until her mid-30s and won at least as many slams during that time as Serena won in 2011-17.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha find a better crystal ball.

The ball so far out that Steffi shook her head in disgust about the nationalistic NYC crowd.

At Wendy’s and using butter.

player who never could volley.

Its USTA🤷🏼

Yes! I was so confused when they never showed the conclusion of the first set tiebreak. Unforgiveable.

Monica was 0-2 in matches, 0-4 in sets, 4-24 in games against the great Steffi in the most important tournament on the planet. Enuff said....

About pigeons that have repeatedly fluttered into the stadium.

Thank you.

You got it.

@GoTeam bwahahaha

@GoTeam bwahahaha

@GoTeam got me right where it hurts. Only 27 years ago. I think I moved on. Just like I’m doing with this chat.

@GoTeam it was in

@GoTeam only took a month to come up with that. Must’ve been taxing on your low IQ.