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"There is no economic benefit in making slaves happier" ~Montu Plays

we're getting sooooo close to a Leader Trait Tier list. SO. TANTALIZINGLY. CLOSE.

The Imperium has enough Intel to know when the secret callout is, even skipping ahead. We will keep watching you with great interest.

A good use for the Heroic Past position is using it for your scientist that touched the orb. An immortal Storyteller watching over the Imperial State with a permanent level 10 bonus can be quite good.

Divine Conduit DOES NOT give you base resources from psionic pops increase. If you read it carefully, what it gives you is "Resources from psionic pops from telepaths" that means it increases the bonus that telepaths give to psionic pops. Dont be confused and think its just boosting all your psionic pops innately. You MUST build a Psi Corps building and have pops work the Telepath jobs that it provides in order to benefit from Divine Conduit.

I'm gonna exercise my Imperial authority and say... becoming the Galactic Imperium instead of staying as a regular Empire/the custodian as a president of a federation kinda sucks.

One small thing i have to bring up regarding Pompous Purists: Unless its been updated, it does not allow you to take Custodian or Emperor. I founr this out the hard way when i yried to do an empire based around "These Xenos dont know how to rule. Lets do it for them."

thank you for hard-working 😁😁😁

As a gestalt player i must say this tutorial was very helpful

Thanks for the tier list. I always come to you for all my Imperium needs for improvement.

I love these ranking lists so much, thank you for doing so much work putting these together

Thanks for the tier list, I watch every tier list you upload and take them into consideration for every run I play. Great content!

Thank you Montu! I hope you are not burnt out by these tier-list videos! They are just so good and useful. Also nice, they are nice vestiges that your good old lore-friendly civic still has a fighting chance with the help of a counselor position! Oh, my goodness, this is so nice so I even might invite you to a tea party with crackers and cheese, EMPIRIAL cheese!

I’ve been waiting for this one a long time !!!

Imperial is my favorite rulership type from a philosophical standpoint, and I'm very intrigued to see all of your rankings. Thus far you've given a lot of good information on the Council bonuses.

It is Imperialtive that you continue with the tier lists Mr Montu :D

As someone who is just diving in to stellaris, this series of videos is super useful. Especially with you breaking down the reasoning as to each one and what bonuses are worth snagging!

Ohhh Tier List on a Monday. Going to be a good week.

Great video, though not what I was expecting. For some reason I thought you were ranking the individual seats or positions empires can unlock. The traits are good to know :)

I skipped to S so felt obliged to provide algorithm interaction, but I do put playlists on auto play before I go to sleep.

Great Tier list! Gonna use it to plan my next Empire.

This was really helpful Montu. Now I finally decide which of councilors to execute in my Imperium. :)

The Imperial watch thanks you montu. Nice list, always a treat.

Thank you for the inspiration for my Imperium.

Thanks for this in depth look at councilor positions, this really made me look over some of my more questionable decisions 😅. Now I know what to pick for my next empire run in stellaris.

Keep the Imperial video going Montu!!

Curious if you have a good start guides for Empires in Stellaris. I am always blown away when you mention things only taking 20-30 years

The Master FORGER? I've never had a Master FORGER on my Imperium.

Some thoughts: 5:19 Happiness still matters for: Crime, Government Ethics Attraction and Diplomatic Weight from Pops. And those are not modified by Political Power. So while not a _direct_ Economic bonus, less Enforcers and more Diplo Power can mater. It scales on the same curve as Labor Intendant. So useful for a opressive Empire. 5:42 I feel like Build speed needs a longterm bonus as companion. Building and District Upkeep reduciton might actually be way more useful and thematic here. But do note the very high value for Virtual Ascension!

The curator is guaranteed to be a researcher, so the only leader that can take the council post is also a good leader to have on council. The shroud teacher is focused on governing a sector, so they don't normally have interesting council traits. I'd put that position in F tier. The senior science director I'd bump up a tier because it's useful early-game if you want to tech-rush, mostly just to have a scientist on council but also to help with the consumer goods upkeep cost.

Thanks for the tips, gonna use this in my new build called: Imperial Empire of Imperium

I love everytime you do a tier list

Nice callout. 😉 Not totally related, but has anyone else gotten a huge bump in diplo weight from taking the Shield of the Empire trait on an admiral on a fleet of corvettes? I mean, it does make sense that you'd get some benefit, so long as the fleet is in a friendly system. But I just had my diplomatic weight double instantly from it.

@Montu Plays would it be possible to make leader skills and paragon rundown with tiers for current game or maybe when the machine age come? Ty for ur vids 😊

Where is the megacorp council tier list!?!?!?!?!?!?!111111

NEW MONTU TIER LIST LETS GOOOOO

best vid to have play on the back ground while I play stellaris or grind other games

One step closer to a renowned and legendary paragons tier list!

So when are we getting that species portrait tier list? 🤣 Need to know which has the best swag to represent an imperial empire 😉

I would move both High Curator and Minister of Ascension up to B tier. Unlike bonuses that affect only jobs, these are Empire-wide. Meaning it also affects the passive unity from stuff like Monuments (Which should be the bulk of your unity), factions, and even trade policies if you got them. Very versatile bonus.

One of my favourite runs thanks to Lathland is parliamentary system and maxing out unity through pops. Maybe the protector of liberty position could be used to maximise the egalitarian faction's unity output. Its fun since it works best pilling on pop growth to massively increase the amount of jobs and the unity provided. In most games, I don't even have to build any unity buildings! P.S Love the vids

Protector of Liberty can be used if you conquer empires that are authoritarian to make them switch to egalitarian faster, getting unity and stability bonuses faster. Im not sure how much faster it would be though.

Man, I always run Senior Science Director in my Imperious Imperium.... I always thought it was underwhelming but didn't know where to put them in my Imperial Technocracy

I chose the IMPERIAL council positions based on name. Because most of them have really stupid names. The bonuses we get from skills on the person in the position are more important to me, but this has been useful.

requiring a ruler, minister of defense, and head of research on your meagre council of 5 is the illusion of choice

Minister of Defense can be done without if one is playing very tall with defense platforms or using mutual defense pacts to stay safe, especially if you have a powerful allied neighbor or a solid federation going.

My Imperial God Emperor build is ridiculously fun. I went hard into spycraft and got the stareater achievement.

Question: What if I just always watch tier lists top-down instead of bottom-up?

Defence Army Damage is actually really nice, since you also have upgraded defencive armies. Baseline they are stronger than Gene warrior armies (although empire size nerfs them a bit). You double their damage and it gets very expensive to capture the planets.

So do Imperial defence platforms still scale value wise like they did in your Defence Platform video a year ago or has game changed way too much since then Montu?

I've been thinking about getting into modding in Stellaris, you have any recommendations/a video in the works?

This guide is helping me do an imperial fiefdom run where I become emperor of the galaxy.

I wonder if the devs have tried to balance the power of the civics with the council position provided by them. I know my imperial fox empire specifically went with a leader focused build and thus the council positions were sometimes more important than the civics themselves. 21:45

The Imperium is always a nice goal for more diplomatic playthroughs. My first time was as a Rogue Servitor, so it was like the Gestalt Mind was taking even those who refused to be pampered under their wing, keeping those organics safe and free from full self-determination while leaving them "independent."

First Citadel also amps up your diplomatic weight quite a bit.

Councils was one of the best reworks in the game, right after the switch from planet tiles to districts and buildings.

Good information to help with my Imperial ambitions.

I love these tier lists even when I'm not playing Stellaris

ok and now time to make a tierlist where you rank the civics and the council positions together as they are a package deal a lot of the time

You are doing the empire a favour. Keep up the great work imperial citizen.

I'd love to play an an-cap too montu, but I'm stuck with this IMPERIUM

I am rather curious of what you think of the worker cooperative civic council position, and the civic itself while we are on that topic.

I had no idea that head of research and minister of defence gave the 25% penalty to research and naval cap if not filled

Montu, you certainly are always working hard as the leader of the Stellaris Community Imperium.

I love the councillor position of the pharmacy megacorp. I think it was 2% pop growth per level.

The imperium of man will prevail. I’m just waiting for a fully usable WH40k style campaign and Rzce 😅 Adeptus Mechanicus style 😊

I'm having trouble avoiding revolts as a Astro-Mining Machine Intelligence Empire. The Grid Amalgamation Slavery type nukes them to 0 happiness and I don't have enough drones on newly conquered planets to get stability up. Should I just resettle pops? Or would it be better to include something like Rogue Servitor to give the bios something else to do?

The emperor of the galactic imperium only rules his empire through the destructive power of his Jazz Hands

imperium empire imperial. lmao i actually skipped to the b tier. i love your videos montu. sorry for skipping. normally i watch your videos all the way through but i dont have all the newest dlcs, which is why i only wanted to see the top tiers for this vid. also by the time those dlcs go on sale, the meta mightve changed drastically. i really do appreciate these videos though. its just this one that i skipped to b tier

The first time I became galactic Imperium it recasted my economics for a bit… I didn’t know that Imperial position swaps your ethics. Well, needed to utilise these Imperial watcher council position to get intel on that matter before becoming imperial

I think you might be underselling the senior science director a bit. With science outputs generally being nerfed across the board, you need to run A LOT more researchers to hit the same amount of tech as you could before. And early on, most planetary designations for tech world available to you only reduce their upkeep, they don't boost output. Thing is, if you're already running tech world designation and have the discovery tree taken, the effective % reduction granted to you by the senior science director is actually a fair bit higher than it seems at a glance. Pops are power, and being able to run more pops as researchers and not as artisans not only ups your research, it leaves you with more minerals to spare on alloys.

Hi Montu. Do you have any plans for an updated ship building guide at all?

8:01 I use this position when ascend as synths AND lets say i have egalitarian-xenophile-materialist ethics. The thing is that when your pops become synthetic you have 90% support for materialist party and i basicly don't want to become fanatic materialist, at this stage of game just promoting egalitarian will not help. So knowing the fact that fanatic egalitarian is, honestly, too good to avoid for that juicy +10% from specialists in order to decrease support of materialists in this situation i need to: start-complete agenda, use edict (+100% shift chance), promote-oppose factions, keep egalitarian members in council and put lvl10 (usually that cyborg general guy from dlc) egalitarian leader as protector of liberty. That's the only chance to make gain 20% and become fanatic egalitarian state in this situation. OR you can just choose another paths. Its just me, who hate cyborg-psionic paths and don't want to go bio cause it doesn't have assimilation. In other cases it's just useless and stays for rp reasons.

I agree that Integration Facilitator is F to start the game, but later on, that +30% reduction on empire size from districts is very powerful on somewhat wide builds.

I'm a bit lost on the chairman of Mines because the tooltip says +0.05 Stability Assuming it's per level, I expected 0.25 stability t level 5, not the 0.1 you stated.

To be honest, I’m realizing that I used some seriously substandard council positions in my last empire… maybe when I remake my Imperium in my next game, I’ll try some different ones. Though First Citadel was definitely one of my faves throughout that game

The imperium thanks you for your service to the community.

So I am new to the game and I have a question, if multiple council members have the same trait do they stack or not?

Is the stability bonus of chaiman of mines empire wide? I mean if i have 100 miners in 4 planets will i get the 5 stability per level only on my mining planets or on all planrts?

talking about the Merchant Guild position in the S tier Montu mentions Holy Covenant federation. he means a Trade League right? or am I missing something about Holy Covenant?

You missed the Megacorp positions in this, like Permanent Employment's Month Organic assembly council position. So this video does the non-gestalt and non-mega corp council positions.

Will you making the same with councils position for megacorps?

Also where do you find out these massive penaltiies from not taking the S tier positions you referred to?

good video but how is the master necromancer in the f tier???? It makes your necromancers, a job you want anyways to produce more unity than a politician and if you take unyielding for unity from defense armies a necromancer will reach telepath levels of unity production while also making more science than a researcher, such a powerful job and councilor

The only problem with this tierlist is that it doesn't calculate the tradeoff between taking a stronger civic with a weaker council position vs choosing a weaker civic for a stronger one

LEADER TIER LIST PLSSSSSSSS IM GONNA GOOONN!!!!!!

My friend and i def play wrong if you're supposed to have quite so many subject empires. But then we play lower difficulties for chill times.

Your imperial majesty, the secret call out is around 21:35ish

I am only disappointed there is no 'Imperial dragon' position, but then that's why we have the ability to rename positions eh? rarely do I respond to the callout, but I always appreciate that it is there!

Watching out for the Imperial secrets in this vid

I know it's a bit...Imperious of me to ask...but what's your opinion of the leaders for the Gestalt Consciousnesses?

I disagree on the Miners one, sure its not a major bonus but for a soiritualist empire that doesnt want to go down the robotics path, or for a crisis run, its fairly useful same with being a lithoid species (cant remember if they can take this - havent played in a while and dont have the game installed at the moment so cant check). Essentially, having a species or empire that is hungrier for minerals, this is a surprisingly decent boost - especially at higher levels. Its also nice early on when there is that struggle for resources Hell, i had a game where all my starting planets had very few mineral slots, i think7/8 across a small handful of worlds and i was playing tall - i was forced to adapt to keep my economy alive which was actually fun, even had to trade using the old system for resources from my neighbours

This is damn handy for my hive minds or machines :)

First time I skipped to S tier, actually smirked when you said you shame me

This is my imperial sacrifice to the algorithm.

You didn't cover any of the megacorp specific civic councilor positions. I'd specifically like to call out Private Prospectors with its Outpost build and influence cost -2% bonus.

I’d love to be a member of Montu’s empire

We the imperial inquisition are always watching, sometimes from the shadows sometimes not

About the Protector of Liberty council position: One circumstance I can see it has SOME use (still not much) is when you want to promote Egal against your other ethic(s). Say if you picked Mili as your other ethic for civic purpose but is not exactly on the warpath (Guardianship tech rush, or something like that), your Egal pop will be very happy and your Mili pop will be very not. Governing ethic attraction bonus can do not much here as both ethics are governing, but someone promoting solely DEMOCRACY and LIBER-TEA will do well in converting Mili pops to Egal pops. PS: Considering that this position is more about promoting values than physically "protecting", I for one would like to have the position renamed "Democracy Officer". There is no shame in having your gov structure name in your job titles, you know. Look at the Watcher of Imperium, so forthright, so honest.