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I feel it's worth mentioning the niche use case of slow breeders - it's basically free points for a necrophage species. Since they already have a -75% to pop growth speed, you'll be almost exclusively using your slave species to grow naturally and then ascending them to your necrophage species. Since the necrophage species won't be breeding, there's no downside to taking slow breeders and your 2 trait points.

Surprised montu doesn't have a fleeting attention span for remaking these tier lists every other month

Let me tell you, I legit thought this was the famous, the fabled, the legendary: leader trait list. But of course this is also good, well done!

This tier list is valid until two months from now, when the developers change the game mechanics again.

You didn't spend long enough on the lower tiers; your time spent was fleeting! :(

Worth mentioning that the equation for Overtuned traits changes if you're playing a hive mind, as a hive mind's council are all immortal nodes rather than Leaders.

I always add Exotic Metabolism when doing genetic ascension, just for the roleplay of my people becoming genetic gods that have to drink ambrosia to maintain their perfected bodies. The 50 years is just a nice bonus.

My favourite recent build has been an overtuned lithoid hive. -Start Excessive Endurance (can't take Spliced Adaptability) , Gene Mentorship, Elevated Synapses -Immediately Damn the Consequences -> 100% Habitability everywhere -> -50% leader upkeep, -2 negative traits, +50% leader experience, mitigated leader lifespan (so you aren't quite so *fleeting*) -> Your nodes become high levelled so fast, speeding through agendas early on -Focus on traditions/techs that increase leader lifespan -> Work to outrun leader death, modify out EE as you get habitability techs -As a hive mind you get easy access to unity on each planet to mitigate the edict cost -> You can actually outpace many other empires on tradition, leader upkeep reduction also helps -Get clone vats asap on more planets than anyone else has access to Huge fun that probably spikes too late to be considered 'meta', but if you can gobble up enough early planets it's actually relatively easy to offset the Lithoid growth rate penalty, especially once you genetically ascend with clone vats.

I look forward to the monthly updates to this fleeting series

Your pops will have fleeting lifespan if you do this, but all Overtuned traits get DOUBLE BONUSES if you enable Damn the Consequences. My favorite thing to do is mod up non-leader pops with Overtuned traits...you can get insane bonuses!

Exotic Metabolism also gives 25% pop growth and 25% habitablity as well as the 50 leader lifespan the other modifiers are just hidden but if you have a pop growing you can see that it does get the effect. This makes it much better than fertile in my opinion as it only takes a single trait point and definitely deserves S tier

I feel like Noxious is undervalued for the habitability bonus it gives. Combined with Subterranean origin it locks your habitability everywhere to 80%. It is high enough in the start of the game so you can colonize any planet, and at late game the missing 20% are not felt as much. Besides, it lets you completely ignore any and all habitability debuffs, letting you go full industry on galactic council and not having to worry about any planetary features.

Have you ever considered making tierlists based on narative/roleplay potential rather than gameplay?

Even though the tool tip of exotic metabolism is fleeting; in-game modifier of 25% pop growth still applies. Granted i havent tried it in 3.11 yet. But even though it doesn't show if you look at the pop growth shows up there and is noticable if you gene it out or back in. So i assime it still works.

Montu, the accuracy of your traditions tier list is fleeting as a result of all those updates made by Paradox. Perhaps it's time for an uplift, ehm, update?

Though some of the descriptions were a bit fleeting, this was a great list! Keep it up!

Fleeting - I really enjoy hearing your reviews. I am looking forward to the new expansion. Thanks for all your help.

The overtuned traits can have their positive effects doubled via edict at the expense of double pop upkeep. But seeing as the negatives don't scale up and that the double pop upkeep is a one time and not per trait, they can be absurdly OP when stacked with their base version traits.

1.12 new and redone machine pop traits tier list will be a helluva long video too lol

I usually watch these tier lists from beginning to end. They're extremely well made and your insights are super helpful. If I'm actually starting a new empire though, then I'm just popping in for a fleeting glance at the S Tier

Funny, on your civics tier list my 6 favorite civics were 3 in F and 3 in C and now on your trait picks my 6 favourite traits are 3 in F and 3 in C.

Im a little late in this but I recently got a Stellaris urge recently so I’ve been watching all your recent tier list videos. Thanks for making them and have a fleeting day.

Thank you for providing this fleeting moment of joy.

Despite being an hour long, I still felt this video was fleeting and can't wait for the next one!

This video was so good it was a very FLEETING experience

Thank you for the tier list, i would say you can take nonadaptive also with aquatic species if you only settle on ocean worlds because you get +20% habitabilty on those and so it doesn't affect you.

Thank you Montu! This is truly a time saver. It was very kind of you to add lithoid, my ugly rocky babies! Also, was it me or not, but the music at 44:50 sounds kinda loud...

From my experience i would like to add that pre-planned growth and budding can be combined for extra synergy and pop growth. Pre-planned growth will give you more pops early, then budding kicks in at a later time, when growth starts slowing down. If you get gene clinics you can further boost both plus the clone vats, which is nice, but i generally dont because i switch PPG for Robust at some point anyway.

Exotic metabolism also has a hidden +25% pop growth speed and habitability. For 1 trait point and pick, that is amazing for bio ascended empires. 3% of total pops will have to work exotic gas jobs (assuming base refiner output without output modifiers).

Nonadaptive have a place as a Genetically ascended empire, that have access to either World Shaper or Hive Worlds (authority depending) and consistently have perfect habitability worlds for their species, at which point it's a free -2 cost trait

Nice fleeting list you've got here.

Thank you for the guide.

I’ve been enjoying all these tier videos 😊. I hope the validity of this tier list isn’t fleeting. Have a blessed day.

The usefull time of the tierlist may be fleeting, but they are very appreciated.

10:56 Nonadaptive is imo also great with the ocean paradise origin with hydrocentric because you get a bonus to habitability on ocean worlds that cancels it out and realistically don't want to colonise other planets anyway. Also you can terraform planets for cheap. Any special planets you do wanna colonise like relic worlds have the habitability penalty slowly offset by your progression through the tech tree. Now just use those 2 points for rapid breeders and your size 30 homeworld will fill up in no time

Well, regarding all the changes all the time, I guess the actuality this video is quite FLEETING... :D

Was not expecting some of these choices. Been away for a while so my experience with the game has been fleeting lol

I haven't played in a bit but a really good combo used to be Cave Dweller and Noxious. You get some migration treaties going and your species spreads through galaxy like a plague. Because you got decent habitability everywhere your species spreads all over the place.

I thought my time with the game was fleeting, but seeing your videos again made me want to pick it back up!

I love those tier lists please keep them going. btw "fleeting"

Would love a simple video but it’s organized in parts of how many points so 1 point traits have there own ranking and so on and so forth

it seems with the exception of Docile (C), Adaptive (B) and Jinxed (B), I tend to already follow your list and pretty much agree with most of it. With the occasional mentioned exceptions I am using almost exclusively the same 8 of the (3) A or (5) S tier picks.

My interest in watching these all the way through and not just skipping to S-tier, is fleeting. I kid. Great video!

Hopefully this can stay relevant for a little longer then usual🤣 Btw Montu, any plans on making a mini tier-list on Agendas? I'm curious how you'd rate them.

A few fleeting notes of mine. You could say they are the "nieche" applications you spoke about, but I think those are a bit too common a way of optimizing your empire to call them that. - Venerable: If you set up your empire so that your original species only works as ruler stratum and leaders, then this becomes quite good - simply because there are not so many good other options. This at least gives a big impact to what you design your original species for. - Industrious: Absolutely amazing on Lithoids - at least in the beginning. The main downside to Lithoids is that they consume Minerals, which effectively means for your economy the same as +50% pop food upkeep. This can make your economy very weak in the beginning, before you get all the output techs and Industrious helps with that. And Stellaris is a game about snowballing. Lithoids also start with a few extra planetary features that can be cleared for 1000 Minerals to spawn an extra Lithoid pop, so this helps doing that earlier and more pops earlier = better snowball. But even on a regular empire, more Minerals = More advanced resources = More ships and researchers. This should not be F tier. - Overtuned traits: The counterpart of Venerable. If only one species in your empire can be the rulers, the lifespan debuff is meaningless for 95% of your empire, allowing you to better manage your traits and stack for higher values. - Agrarian: It is one of the very few modifiers in the game that increases Food from Jobs, not Food from Farmers. The distinction is meaningful, because this means Agrarian is one of the few things that affect the Livestock slaves. - Docile: To elaborate on what you already said, despite what the game says, there are actually 2 different "Size from Pops" modifiers - one is empire-wide and one is per specific pop and they work multiplicatively. Why does this matter? Because it means if you are trying to go for a no ES from Pops build, you need to be mindful of which modifiers you stack. Tradition and Civic modifiers are, for example, empire-wide. Governor, Docile and planetary ascension are per pop. Tier 10 planetary ascension with Ascensionist civic and Harmony tradition gives 75% per pop reduction on that planet. A governor gives up to 20% based on LVL. The remaining 5%? Either the Holy Covenant federation or Docile are the only options. You can go for a similar effect by stacking the empire-wide reductions with the Sovereign Guardianship civic and a few other empire effects, but SG has some big negative impacts on ES in other areas, while this does not. - Ingenious: This also doesn't affect Energy from Trade, so I think this should be F tier. - Lithoid: As already said in Industrious, this has quite a big negative impact on early game economy, so it is not for everyone. But I think the impact of the pop growth speed is overstated while the impact of habitability is understated. That 25% reduction is the same amount a normal pop would get for having 50% habitability, so on your capital it's -25%, on your exact match planets it's -15%, on same climate it's -5%, and on everything else it's the same as non-Lithoids. But being able to grow on say, 6+ instead of 3 planets is a massive boost to overall empire-wide pop growth. Also, this is a big benefit in terms of amenities upkeep and resources from jobs and partially counteracts the Minerals upkeep. And you get those free pops from clearing Lithoid blockers on your homeworld. Definately worth a higher tier. You can use it with Incubators to spread across your corner of galaxy VERY quickly. And, again, snowball. Volatile Excretions is also a good pick (mostly if you start with 2 species, like Necroid or Syncretic Evolution so it doesn't conflict with other useful traits you could be having on workers/specialists), as it allows you to run a couple of strong early game edicts. Also, Zombie Lithoid are quite a good combination for working around the Minerals upkeep. - Traditional / Quarrelsome: Unity is the only resource besides research that doesn't really have many techs that boost output from jobs, so those 2 traits have much more pronounced impact than might seem. - Volatile Excretions: As already stated, probably the best of the 3 strategic resource traits on Lithoids, because you can use it on 3 combat edicts (although early game you will probably only use the Armor and Explosive ones) and an edict to reduce the clear blocker cost, allowing you to get those free pops from Lithoid blockers much faster and easier. - Decadent: Quite a good pick on ruler-stratum-only species, alongside Venerable. It also intreases Authoritarian ethics attraction. - Phototrophic: The impact on your economy from this is negligible. You produce 6 Food from Farmers and 6 Energy from Technicians. If you had to have 10 Farmers for pop upkeep before, now you have to have 5 Farmers and 5 Technicians. There is something to be said about other sources of Energy, like Trade, but you generally want to have a surplus of Energy anyways, not net 0 income, because it can be spent in many ways, so any Energy you take away from that is Energy you want to recuperate with jobs anyways. - Zombie: Essentially a free Nerve Stapled. I think you don't even have to have the civic equipped - after you get one pop of that species with the Zombie triat, you can genemod into it, but it's been a while since I tested it and it could be wrong. I also have a build you might want to try out. It is enslaving Megacorp with Indentured Assets and Catalytic Recyclers civics, Genetic Ascension and Trade League federation. You enslave all pops to reduce CGs upkeep from pops (mostly relevant for specialists) and use Assets Appropriation Officer councilor from Indentured Assets to generate obscene amounts of Trade Value (Note: Thrifty doesn't work because it's not TV from a job). Trade League converts it into CGs (more CGs than the pop uses) and Unity. You then keep half your slaves as Catalytic Technicians and Researchers, and the other half as Livestock with Delicious and Agrarian trait to feed your Catalytic Technicians. That way you can reduce your entire economy to Livestock, Researchers, Catalytic Technicians and Rulers. Throw in Permanent Employment civic for extra pop assembly and free Nerve Stapled on Livestock. I guess you could also go for Ascensionist civic + Harmony + Docile trait for the 0 Empire Size from Pops. If you go for Tier 10 planetary ascension with the base Ecumenopolis designation, that's a lot more Trade Value and no strategic resource upkeep on Ecumenopolis districts and Research Labs. Oh, and the Chief Catalyst Officer councilor reduces Job Food Upkeep, so even more Alloys from even less Livestock.

Use fleeting and slow breaders to pay for the resource production traits. Got it!

I like to combo invasive species with necrophage lithoids, so the prepatent species has fairly good pop growth and habitability but your “good” pops, the necrophages, simply elevate the pesky varmints. Its like if the tribbles could be turned into Necrons.

The time it takes to find the secret callout is *fleeting* _Ba Dum Tss_

My knowledge about stealarus may be fleating, but this helped me learn thanks

I am happy that Montu finally approves of the choices I am making when creating an empire. That joy is fleeting though cause he will probably call another option I would choose trash in the next tier list.

I’m getting a fleeting feeling that we’re never getting a leader trait tier list

@23:05 something something tier-able fleeting pun.

These long videos are still very enjoyable despite my fleeting attention span.

Radiotrophic can be used by Lithoids too. The difference is fleeting but still... ^^

My favorite combo is Spliced Adaptability, Excessive Endurance and Enduring for +50% habitability right at the start for -20 lifespan. I can colonize any planet from Year 0 and make good use of it. Any time I play a different origin and don't have access to Overtuned traits, it feels like my empire is slower and more sluggish because I can't really use non-ideal planets for anything.

its worth noting that lithoids are a great pick for overtuned as they get +50 years to leader lifespan which basically negates the minus to leader lifespan for the overtuned traits (as long as you dont take too many). i had a tech rush build using overtuned lithoids with "Intelligent", "Augmented Intelligence", and "Elevated Synapses" (and a few negative traits that didnt effect anything important). they still had a +10 to their leader lifespan. lol

Montu always ensures my desire to play Stellaris is never fleeting. Thanks man!

Industrious is a very good trait, if you want to play as terravores with Calamitous Birth and have fun. Literally everything depends on your monthly minerals output, which you constantly need in huge quantities. At the start of a new game it may significantly slow down your progress. Pop upkeep, building structures, making new colonies, producing alloys require minerals

the habitability from robust can be pretty worthwhile actually my necrophage lithoids had three slave species, one for each planet category (wet, dry, cold) and robust made it so that they could freely migrate even outside of their groups

Communal has a place in a very specific built: if you genetically ascend as an Overtuned empire and are designing a species as Livestock, you need Communal to get the full 90% reduced housing usage to cram 10 pops per housing unit, which is massively efficient if you can deal with the happiness issues.

I'm here for that quickly fleeting secret callout you have talking about

With every update that reworks everything, these tier lists become more and more fleeting.

We should make a fleeting mention about overturned traits and the edict that improves them. "Damn the consequences" edit doubles the positive bonus of all overtuned traits so that drastically increases the power of all the overtuned traits.

52:55 what is a breeding world? Can you make a video about how to do that??

It's worth mentioning that Radiotropic also works for lithoids and pairs nicely with the Survior origin

One reason I love genetic ascension is since you can find ways to make use of these traits. I wish there was a better system to manage it all though. Genetics would actually be competitive with the other ascensions then.

Reminding that Exotic Metabolism also gives a hidden bonus of +25% Pop growth speed and +25% Habitability

It's such a fleet every time you upload a video lol

Wow, this video was certainly not fleeting. But great info and analysis!

Surprised Monty hasn’t done a renowned and legendary paragons tier list tbh

One of my favorites is playing as a Post Apocalyptic origin for Survivor and use Relentless Industrialists to make Tomb Worlds. After a frankly fleeting amount of time, I can terraform worlds for free.

I usually use rp reasons for my trait choices fleeting for example gets used for short lived species with fast reproduction like skaven or ravenous swarm (tyranids)

This video was very interesting, yet watching it didn't feel like an hour, more like a fleeting moment.

I'm still listening, hi montu

I find Non-adaptive and Slow Breeders okay when I plan synth or cybernetic ascension. After all, pops are going to be constructed sooner or later.

Well, the time that these species trait list videos were 30 minutes or less is quickly becoming a fleeting memory to me. The videos remain a great way of catching up to the game though.

Surprised you put clone army descendant so low as it’s a free trait that gives your main species some free bonuses on top of the very fast start the origin offers as well as costing no trait points.

My personal favorite set up is going frantic materialist, intelligent, and all of the overclocked traits for research bonus and to hell with the fleeting lifespans my entire empire is riding by the proverbial seat of its pants.

Wait, I just noticed that I can descend a clone army species and genetically ascend to give them vat grown

Overtuned is OP with a racial strata. Get one species with only residence rights, let them work and modify them heavily and one species that produces the leaders.

I'm having a Fleeting good time with the video

Iirc Lithoids can take Radiotropic as well right? Also on my Necrophage empire my prepatent species has both aquatic and non-adaptive giving them 90% on the guaranteed habitables which is pretty negligible. Also I can confirm you can stack those 3 research species traits in the S tier. I have an empire that does it, it was very good.

Nerve stapled livestock, with tasty and other mineral/food producting traits is excelent, especialy for Hivemind

There was a fleeting time where inorganic breath was useful, why it needs the 50% upkeep is beyond me with also 3 points. Maybe 1 point and the flat bonus which is pretty small, is what it needs to be.

Ah, an up-to-date trait tier list! That wonderful, fleeting moment, made all the sweeter for it's impending inaccuracy.

A new tier list that will be a fleeting as the seasons when the devs update the mechanics again.

He did it! He finally friggin did it! 'Bout flipping time 🤣

It's honestly incredible how fleeting the tier list placements in this game is. One update you could be at the top of your game only for a patch to suddenly bump you down 7 tiers down to hell. Personally, I kinda like it, makes me feel like I'm using different strategies.

Me every time I start a new save: create an empire, going to the trait pick screen, starring at it for 5 minutes thinking about what I should pick this time, scrolling up and down a few times, pick Intelligent, Natural Engineers, Rapid Breeders as every fcking other times

Building a species takes so much work and I often end up with a species that lasts for a few fleeting years

You know I just remembered my most recent game, I have the Eternal throne, all leaders are immortal. Getting that on overturned would be absolutely nutty. Gigantic bonuses from overturned with none of the downsides.

I get alot out of expressed traditions since i generally am using dam the consequences very frequently the bonuses mean i can complete a good chunk of traditions before i come across the local xenos and have a fair few good little bonuses to give me that early game advantage to secure everything i have and possibly more then when it loses value you just mod it out since your getting through the tradition tree so fast you can biologically ascend in insane time

To recreate the Zhor'i, make them a species in the Stellaris game, you would need the following traits: (Without Mods) *Origin* Cave Dweller (Subterranean) *Habitability:* Tundra (Closest, Raez is extremely barren and extremely cold on the surface, but there is life still found there, but most life forms are found underground). *Pre-Sapient:* Earthbound Natural Intellectuals *Positive:* Charismatic Venerable (Not really adequate given Zhor'i are basically immortal) Intelligent Natural Engineers Natural Physicists Natural Sociologists Nomadic Quick Learners Rapid Breeders Resilient Very Strong Talented Traditional *Negative:* Nonadaptive Solitary Unruly Deviants *Special:* Limited Regeneration Stargazer *Ascension:* Natural Machinist Erudite Fertile Robust

You can also use Aquatic along with invasive species.

Something worth noting, you can take overtuned traits with invasive species, stack some absurd pop growth. Leads to a pretty fleeting lifespan, but the negative traits you should be taking should let you afford to offset that a little.

Nerve Stapled is fantastic for the most efficient way of getting food and minerals: Livestock. That -40% happiness is normally a big issue, but with Nerve Stapled... pure profit baby! Sadly it is incompatible with Communal so going this route gives a max -80% housing on overtuned livestock, but even 5 livestock per housing is significantly better than farmers or miners on a housing to resources scale.

venerable is alway a go to me since I always play tall and be a bulwark of parasite to my overlord just to steamroll with my collosus at endgame with my Gun master leader

Does Void dweller trait work on non resources like amenities and trade value?

Why is there F tier instead of D?