You don't understand. It's because they are not truly xenophilic, they are mildly xenophobic. They don't want to integrate your species in it's world, they just like how it's looks, so they want to put it in a zoo.

yea...for aspec, there are only degrees of xenophobe...

Thank you for pointing that mistake out, it was mildly triggering seeing one fanatic ethic and one non fanatic ethic on screen, at least this way we can conclude it was a mistake.

I got triggered too.

You guys would be excellent in Game Sins

HERESY

Fall of the Eldar 2: Electric Boogaloo.

And you can't even take the hedonist jobs yourselves once you conquer them... or any of their other jobs

@@josephcola9662 Hedonist jobs are basically unemployed pops on social welfare, but they're locked into the highest stratum. Not all that good, imo.

[Screams in Khornite]

Thank you in telling me that

Got info on the other empires?

@@todorchonov5356 nah youll have to check em put yourself. Its insane pdx put this in tho

@@juke9674 That’s how you know the devs care about this game, they hide secrets and lore so out of the way you have to hack the game to see some of it

This is why they can’t be trusted

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Bro let’s just establish Ancapistan but in space

@@chanamo7636 United Planetary Properties Of Ancapistan (UPPA)

fallen megacorp when

@@specs.weedle fallen? For what reason? Tax purposes?

Anything less is heresy.

*BLAM* That's Xenophobic and MORE Xenophobic to you, heretic.

Hexagoner where you at

Is your username "Hexagon" because you're a materialist?

I've got a game with fanatic xenophile fallen empire in it

zenith of the fallen emprire mods asre for you then a whole series of mods that let you do just that and let a player empire ascend into a awakend empire and then if they fuck up bad enough or just choose to decline can even descend into a fallen empire its a great mod series

There's now the remnants orgin that starts you with a size 22 relic world as well as tech bonuses. But that's the closest thing to it.

Itd just be hard af to balance because fallen empires start so much stronger. Either youd have to spawn powerful ai factions from the start or have other awakening fallen empire in the galaxy gunning for you early

As it should be!

The Emperor Protects

Emperor Protects

I don't like the emperor.

The god emperor protects!

Their worlds are rather tasty most of the times...

I usual play a rather friendly game so I only go to war then when they awaken

I went to war with them for the Tech as well. Not that I need it. My research already outstrips everyone in the galaxy. I went to war just to unlock the tech. Claimed no planets of theirs, no systems. They immediately went back to war with me as soon as the "grace period" ended. I chose "humiliation" as a war goal. Knocked 'em down a peg again. As soon as the grace period ended again, right back to war with me. This time, I was simply tired of it. I claimed every system they owned, wiped their species off of EVERY planet they owned with my Colossus except for ONE planet... And won the war. Once I won, I took their species, improved it with my genetics stuff... and improved their whole species to be part of my xenophile empire of like 35 different species. Basically, I want their tech for the "endgame crisis". Though, at this point, I'll probably knock that out of the park as well. I own like 60% of the entire galaxy and can't even manage all the planets I own. I don't need more real estate. I need less people who want to go to war with me, and the quicker arrival of the end-game threat. Even with my small fleets of only 45K power, I mop the floor with other fleets I run across. I kind of wish the Fallen Empires had more tech than they do. Like, a whole new tree's worth of tech. I kind of hate getting to the end of a tech tree and just getting "infinite bonuses".

Oh God how I aggree with your statement... I hate the infinite techs as well

The Quest for Knowledge knows no end, eh?

To be fair, getting a FE to declare a war on you is a massive plus since you get all the defensive bonuses.

@@Sereze001 honestly it's not hard to provoke a fallen empire. I expanded to their border, then claimed a few systems, they tried to humiliate me and got consumed.

Heck, not even that. Even playing as complete isolationists where you can't even declare war on everyone, just merely Prank Calling the FE next door to you when you're ready to take them on and steal their systems will have them declare war on you, even when it's obvious you have 10 times the fire and manpower then them.

@@RandoGrunt I was never able to get a fallen empire to declare war on me.

@@taelim6599 just declare them your rival or crack a holy world problem solved

I think that the holy world ascension perk is bugged, cause I acknowledged two of their holy worlds and they didn't give a shit.

Thanks for the advise ☺

Sometimes they turn into patronizing Other time, they will still neutral

me with single 10k fleet at year 2500 - O_O

@@CRUASSANFAN bruh how did you survive at that point? Like the crisis would eat you like nothing

Ayo? 🫵🤨📸

Oh I plan on it muahahahaha I can't wait.

@Reinert Zerker Gee, I wonder why.... Maybe they're unhappy about their holy sites being LITERALLY SNAPPED IN HALF. Just give them some Flex Tape, then they'll be cool with you (I tested it in game)

Especially if you're Fanatic Purifiers.

Crack a Holy World as a Devouring Swarm. HAK HAK HAK

@@kingof_prussia what about flex seal?

something like the planet crusiser from giga structures

eldar craftworlds?

Didn’t the Devs say they were never going to do that, I swear I’ve heard that somewhere

Bobo Lobo how dare you taint this comment section with such a bad pun and thus now i declare a war upon your entire bloodline

*Stop right there, it's the joke police*

pfp just makes this better

that sounds like a FANTASTIC idea, with no negative consequences.

Yeah it's not like they will immediately awaken or anything

If it isn't colonised you can't use a collosus on it. If you colonize it you go to war.

@@csabaszasz4466 Why can't you destroy it. You can destroy every planet, colonised or not

@@csabaszasz4466 Then just get one pop on it and crack open the cold, heartless Gaia world

Bet that governor was part of the materialist faction 😂

I declared my neighbor military isolationist a rival once by accident. They barely wait for couple of days before appearing with all that “Kneel, bitch, for we are not amused!” attitude. I was in the beginning of the crisis, so I told them to fuck off, without even reading properly. Boy, oh boy, weren’t they pissed off... Only the fact that unbidden were rampaging really far away from me combined with AI’s clinical stupidity saved me from being rect that time. Three 65k fleets _suddenly_ appearing at your backdoor is not a joke.

You trusted the AI. Stellaris AI is just a 1d20 roll. Never use it. Ever.

Trust Star Wars Empire at War's Auto Resolve more than the Stellaris AI.

What is this automation feature you speak of? It sounds like a wonderful double edged sword.

It's kind of obvious to me now why I find this game so addictive already.

I hate Fallen Empires with a burning passion. I consider it a prerequisite to get the Galactic Contender Ascension perk

@@Ghost-bq7gk Are you sure in that time they didn't become Awakened? Did you get a pop-up or event saying something along the lines of "Shipyards from a bygone age suddenly fired up again"? Because that's when a Fallen Empire becomes an Awakened Ascendancy where they try to regain their power and control over the galaxy

Ghost03230 they’re awakened..

Ghost03230 I swear, I was going to war with the spiritualists and my sensors told me that they has 170k fleet power, my fleet had around 200k with setup built to counter them, but as soon as I insulted them they immediately built new ships, attacked and steamrolled me. They weren’t awakened either.....

Day Y. What type of gift ?

how dare you to say such disgusting word "annoying"about our holy guardians!!!

@@HC-nj3bs From my experience: Resources, technology, Fallen Empire ships. The usual.

I actually liked them, because conquering them is what allowed me to get psionics as a fanatically materialist empire.

@@taelim6599 Same here. That, and a ton of pops. Gotta love their tendency to faff about taking useless systems from allies while you peacefully siege their home planets.

Or you could just be a driven assimalator and use the cyborg colossus on the planet and just take it and the pop with it lol.

@@konigstiger8518 i love doing that so much

@@konigstiger8518 or if you luck and get a cybrex war forge. the warform is awesome

I just let my puppets take it

Xenomorph armies with a collateral general. My friend did this with HALF their army power and won by a landslide

Ye, that happens,.don't mess with militant isolationists

When you single handedly carry the entire LONAP on your back as inward perfectionists because you can.

Agreed.

indeed

@@versok2999 nah, its more fun to have the biggest d*ck fleets and no one can contend with you but they fight between each other and you lord over them

Yep, I can confirm that, it literay ww1 in space

I actually tried making a mod for that but, I ended up ditching it after something broke and they became despeakable nutrals but I ended up giving in them

The Autistic Autarchy Archonate. Similar to the Enigmatic Observers while Fallen, but becoming their vassal if/when they Awaken (as the Passive-Aggressivist Panjandrums) causes your ethics to shift towards pacifism. If you don't become their wiling vassal; well, they won't start a war, but nothing says they have to protect you from another AE, or that they won't subsidise your enemies and give them missions to knock you down a peg or two... "Some people have to learn the hard way."

You will embrace out peaceful ways. By force!

@@harbl99 I think the problem is that they would need a special ethic to allow them to declare war but I think the fallen empire would function as pretty much a normal passivist empire but late game when they awaken they would attack anyone who was an "warmonger" and basically impose there ideology on them.

Space Switzerland: Detterence on the galactic level. They'd have a bigger fleet than most other empires, but only go to war when attacked.

Wait if there is only one fallen empire and the severely weakened remnants of another fallen empire can it start a war in heaven?

@@rhorynotmylastname7781 if you can see two fallen empire in your contacts screen, a chance of war in heaven happening is there

It would be nice if the game actually made the AE's dec on you like the game says they do, so you can get the defensive war bonus and your pacifist faction doesn't loose its shxt.

Didn’t they get attrition from battles? I definitely ended war in heaven with status quo several times.

Yeh, in my current game, I got materialists and xenophiles and they began their war in heaven. Interestingly, even though the materialists are significantly stronger in fleet power, all remaining other empires except for one decided to side with the xenophiles. Not sure if that is a case of something unlikely happening, or if they are naturally more likely to join xenophile in this.

In my recent war in heaven i have the reclaimer go "hippity hoppity you empire is now my property" with more then 70% of the galaxy under their controll My empire was robotic that for more then 200 years remain isolated from anything and anyone, except a few treat here and there. After that for roughly 30 years, maybe more, I start pocking other empire, especialy when two empire decide go into the crisis perk ( one of them even manage to go to the end of it.......and got curmstombed ) Then, the first two main war, I decide to go to war with the weakened xenophile awakened empire to fix my border and get choke point to place my fleet And then, I decide to go war with the other fallen empire because i wanted that L-GATE And it went horrible bad, like i start with 6 full fleet and finish with only 1 fully function, the other were all badly damage, my empire got cut into 3 sector ( not to far from each other but still, very sad ) and I only have a 10 year truce. So, in true fallen empire style, we fully awaken and we start rebuild, thus starting an 80 years cold war beetween me and the reclaimers, in that period i build a ring world, a sentry array, strategic center and the mega shipyard, become the custodian to get 3 extra battleship fleet free upkeep, and so on Then the second war started to reclaim my lost territory and, it was tought but I manage to reconect all the sector and dealing so much damage to their fleet that I knocked them down from supremacy to isolation policy ( yes they can change their policy ) After that I got in two brief with the ancient caretaker ( fully conquered ) and the fallen empire materialist plus his scion ( only two system taken from them, the scion is relative intact ) and then the third war with the jingoist, kinda brief but I manage to finaly be in positive territory gain and to put them equivalent fleet power with me That my war in heaven in a nutshell

CHEATS ARE BAE

add_ship dragon class

research_all_technologies research_all_technologies 1

View a fallen empire system Type "own" in console Repeat.

Guns, lots of guns.

I guess it went over your head.

Exceptionally.

It would be very cool if you had 'scenarios' to choose in the begining of the game. Shit like: -Post War on Heaven Galaxy, where a bigger number of habitable worlds are tomb worlds, there's one Huge falllen empire in the middle of the Galaxy and other nearby 'pacifist' (e.g. pacified) fallen empires. Young Bloomers- You are one of the first species to achieve FTL other than a Xenophile Fallen empire. A lot more planets are populated by primitives and the FE will declare war on you if you try to 'cleanse' a world for colonisation. They give you missions for uplifting some races, and eventually other races reach FLT era, and they'll have some tech donated to them by the FE to 'equalize the playing ground' Galactic trade company - A special FE that will demand any strategic resources you collect, eventually demanding the systems producing them. Wait, what? - You are the only organic species on a Galaxy of different robotic fanatic anihilators. You have 150 years before they realize you are, in fact, an organic and most will declare war on you

@shadowyeager I'LL DO THAT!

Isn't it the Princess of Pleasure?

Where's the lie.

Its fun overpowering both fallen empires tho in a war of heaven. Have a save a spiritualist xenophobe, I overpowered both awakened empires " Get out of my galaxy both of you! "

Without cheats it feels extremely rad

@@csabaszasz4466 Yeah, I had a 'three planet tall' empire once, and had some real good bonuses to research speed (110% or something) and my tech was endgame by the midgame, so I decided to wipe off all of those lethargic cunts from the Galaxy and absorb their tech. The fact that I used the 'no retreat' war policy made it especially cool.

Or form a technocratic federation and tell that fallen pleb to shove his spirits up his arse!

Incredible

Not entirely sure that tactic still works anymore. I'll have a look.

maybe have the fallen democrats be a fallen once great galactic republic that fell apart in wars so intense they couldnt expand again and the fallen authortarians bascially just need to be the imperium of man

Fallen Authoritatians aim to have a protective ring of Vassal empires around their FE territory until they pop Awakened and take over things personally starting with integrating their vassals. Fallen Egalitarians would be a FE comprised of smaller "planet-states" that are individually powerful but cannot agree on anything drastic (even being unwilling to amass more than one fleet in an area unless a planet is getting bombarded) and then they Awaken when either they elect a Dictator in an hour of crisis and flip to Authoritarian or the individual states agree to start integrating new 'states' into their republic.

You basically become a fallen empire yourself after shit like that.

nope you can't no longer do that since devs already fix that bug and the AI Empire will refuse Colonized Holy World and Border system of Xenophobe Fallen Empire even if you use Trade Negotiation and Gift them those system or Planet.

@@Alfha_Robby awww buzz kill. I have not played stellaris in a long time so its a shame that strategy no longer is viable.

Your best option is to call up Slannesh to do his thing, or wait for the crisis.

Awakened empires soon