*hires another person for 75k*

If they take a job away from you for a negotiation done in good faith it means they didn’t want someone qualified for the job, they wanted someone they could exploit

This happened to me once and when I asked for more they said I would never find a job for that much and that I'm not worth what I think I am. It was super mean and insulting. I didn't take the job and within I think a month or two I had a job offer from somewhere offering not just what I thought I was worth but actually 25k more than that.

If they withdraw the offer because you ask to negotiate up to industry standard it indicates that you wouldn't ever have gotten a raise if you took the job.

I had a guy I knew from a competitor company call me. I told him the exact dollar amount, the 401k benefit that needed to happen along with the health insurance. He told me I couldn't match it and I told him I'm sorry I can't leave a company that has taken care of me and my family for 8 years to take less money. You have to be very demanding when it comes to jobs nowadays.

HR: "What is your salary expectation" Candidate: $10k to $12k a month. HR: You are the best fit for the role but I'm afraid we can't afford you. Candidate: Okay $4k would be fine. HR: How soon can you start? Meanwhile, the budget for the particular role is $10k . HR feels like they did a great job in salary negotiation and management will be happy they cut costs for the organization. The new employee starts and notices the pay disparity. Guess what happens? Dissatisfaction. Disengagement. Disloyalty. Two months later, the employee leaves the organization for a better job. The recruitment process starts all over again. This leads to further costs and performance gaps within the team and organization. In order to attract and retain top talent. "PLEASE PAY PEOPLE WHAT THEY ARE WORK FOR"

I'm a teacher. I moved to a district with a union and got a $30,000 pay increase for doing the exact same job.

Negotiating works SOMETIMES. Always have a back-up plan. I wanted a higher wage because I knew my company was low balling me and my experiences/sales grew like crazy over the years. So I looked around and got a few offers. Told my manager I was leaving for the better offer as I felt it was more fitting, my manager matched the offer within days! 😂

Probably will just hire a person that will accept the 75k. In my experience you have to prove yourself. At my 6-month or one year review is when I’ve had significant pay increases because I’ve worked my tail off. If no raise is given then I’ll start looking for another job and then leave to the competition for usually a higher salary and better benefits. For the past three years I have left jobs for a higher salary and better benefits. Before quitting I let the current employer know I had a job offer and gave them the opportunity to match to have me stay. All of them let me walk. Now each of those previous employers have begged me to come back trying to match my current salary and benefits. Unfortunately if you’re good most places won’t know it until after you leave.

completely agree. great script for negotiation. it's hard doing this in the moment but being prepared with market research is so empowering.

Just after the 2008 crash caused a lot of IT companies to go under, including the one i had been working for, i was forced to look for work. I had a 4-year degree and 15 years job experience, along with a crap-load of expertise in multiple technologies and multi-lingual software. One of the companies I applied to did not post their salary range, and when they called me in for an interview, they tried to offer me a whopping $30k salary. I flat-out refused. It was clear they had no intention of paying for my level of expertise. The same pattern holds true today.

I tried this and you guessed it, they gave the job to someone else who accepted their starting salary.

My hiring manager wouldn't tell me their salary range, he just asked me how much I wanted. Their offer was exactly what I wanted, and it was a good salary, so I took it. Maybe I could have asked for more, but I valued having the job more than the higher salary.

Opposite happened to me: it was for a loan processing job and I told them what I was expecting. The HR team said that amount was fine, but the hiring team wanted to give me less than what i asked. Was offered the position but I told them that what they were offering me was a pay cut compared to what I was currently earning. They tried to tell me that it would be work from home with only one day in the office, but it wasn't enough. I told them I'd go as low as "this" but that was my final offer. They passed over me, hired someone else, and now 4 months later I saw that same job with their company being posted again 🤣🤣

I had a hiring manager bring 20 candidates into a room and had us all bid on the starting salary. He almost talked us down to minimum wage.

Additional piece of advice: if you get to the point of the process where they ask you what you were thinking salary wise, and you have no idea what you’re worth, accept the offer that seems appropriate to you and ask if you can have a 3 month review after starting to discuss performance and compensation; if you realize shortly after starting that you have more responsibilities or have to work longer than you thought, that would be the time to bring it up and negotiate higher salary

This works so well when you do both sides of the negotiation…

This is a great idea, but I would only do it if you are ok with keeping your current job/situation, because they may just move on to the next candidate.

As someone who's solely responsible for hiring at my company... This only goes so far, because there are multiple people out there with the same experience level, sometimes they literally just have 1 position and 4 good quality candidates, so you just choose.

This provides so much more context and depth than other explainers I've seen like this. Thank you so much!

lol, people, many companies start the salary lower than they expect to pay you because they are expecting you to ask for more. The amount of people who are skeptical about NEGOTIATING YOUR OWN DAMN SALARY is insane. You’ll complain how low your salary is and then do nothing about it until you find out the new hire is making more than what you’re making.

Yea, that happened to me. I started the negotiation after being offered a position and they recinded the offer.

Very good approach! Always know your market value and do your research. I left a job making 55k a year and got a job with similar responsibilities at a new company making over DOUBLE that amount! So many people are scared to leave the place they know, but seriously there are so many better opportunities out there. I will say it is messed up that companies do not reward their hardworking employees and that they stay committed and loyal.. They’re willing to pay a newbie more 😏

Please don’t do this when being interviewed at McDonalds, or your first job with your new degree

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been lowballed and it puts me in a very uncomfortable position.

If they don’t offer you the job after negotiating then it’s probably dodging a bullet anyways

I did that. I got the interview through another professionist (it's normal in my sector). They offered me an apprentice wage, I said I wanted more cause I didn't need a tutor. They accepted it. I prove it. If you don't value yourself, other won't.

Me who lives in India. Well get back to you in an hr.... Calls them in two. Sorry jobs gone. Someone took it for 70k

The key disclaimer here is "they SHOULDN'T take a job away because you negotiated" and that says it all because shouldn't in no way means won't. A lot of things drive their reaction such as: how many applicants did they have that were just as qualified and experienced and how tight the job market is where you are because if there is a glut of applicants for every job they won't care how much YOU think you're worth they will offer what THEY have decided to pay because THEY do market research too. They will also not thank you for wasting their time when you should have told them during the interview that 75K wasn't enough because salaries are always presented during the interview. and they only talk salary after offering the job in rare instances and most often when asking you if you would consider taking less because you need training etc.

I've negotiated my previous salaries and I've never been turned down. Not once. So yeah, definitely negotiate your salary. Worst case, they say no. Okay, I know my worth and will find a place that matches what I want. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yeah, those corporate HR departments can be powerful. Most of the time it's not the hiring manager, it's the compensation department that is holding all the cards.

100% ask the range for the position during the interview and state your expectations up front! But also negotiate even if they give you what you asked for. Never leave money on the table

i did that back in the 90s at a bank, they came back with $1000 more than the original offer. I PASSED

The only thing wrong with this is that the hiring manager doesn’t set or negotiate salary

Im glad to say I just tried this and got denied 😢😢😢

I did this almost word for word, but in my opinion with more information to back up my salary expectations.......and they said take it or leave it.

I heard that company always expect you to negotiate. They always start with the lower end of the range, no matter your experience, then negotiate up if you counter, so they’ll get something in the middle. Seen it with my own eyes when my boss is hiring/interviewing to fill our vacancies.

i'm honestly glad that your videos exist because they actually have really helped me❤

Depends if you’re in a position to negotiate. Many companies will only get approval for a max base salary they’ll offer for the position, but higher level roles you can provided you have the relevant experience and aren’t being unreasonable.

I was doing a sort of lateral to a different field and actually had to negotiate DOWN. The CEO called and said the really wanted me on board, but just could not match my current salary. I really needed the move, my wife was getting a lot of increases, so I offered a figure 8G below where I was and got the job. In three years I was back up to old salary level.

Don’t take the 82 + 3. The 3 is a one time payment, so they are still hiring below market rate. Also, taxes on the 3 would be at the bonus rate, which is nearly 50%.

Unless it’s a small business, that’s not how offering works. You would’ve been asked what is your salary expecting before progression to next stage of selection and final offer.

Personal anecdotal experience: 150+ applications 4 offers (salary not total comp): 110k 75k 75k 85k Out of the 4 offers, I negotiated the lower three (using the higher offer). Two of which responded that it was non-negotiable, and one of the 75k offers gave me a new offer of 90k. Noticed that another comment also mentioned “don’t do it right out of college.” Negotiation does work right out of college as long as you are what the company is looking for. The company that bumped the offered salary up mentioned that I was their top candidate at the time which is why they were willing to offer more.

I admire people who can negotiate their salary.... I rely on people being fair 😅

“Yeah, no. We can go up to 76k but that will be the final offer” is what I have heard many many times before. Companies today at shit.

Hmm in my case they did not budge. These people always say year of experience does not matter, skills do. But well, then they say people 10years more experienced are actually earning lesser which I try to negotiate. Well, I'll get to know what I am worth when I go there, and well they'll realise too. Have to start somewhere.

It never hurts to ask. Before I accepted my current role as an account executive for a software company, I asked them if rather than a salary bump could they add on my "on target earning commission bonus" for the months I was in training and ramping for my role. Mind you it was an extra 18k that I was asking for and I explained to them I would be motivated to ensure I was ramping quicker so I can continue to receive my extra commission on top of my salary. I've been with this company for over a year now and that question showed me how much they truly care about their employees right from the start.

this is some great advice!

Pro Tip: Usually companies will ask your salary expectations up front as a screener so they don’t get invested in someone who they can’t live without but costs too much. Tell them a ballpark at that stage that matches their expectations and say “but I’m flexible based on benefits.” Ask about things like pet insurance, dependents coverage, shit you’ll never actually need. Then later in the interview process when they make you an offer, ask for the top of the pay scale. When they agree, take off those benefits and request salary adjustments to reflect them. If you change your mind, request those benefits again during open enrollment. Also works when buying a car.

you're so insightful! slay queen!

Good coaching. If we wanna close the pay gap we need to disseminate these skills and the confidence to use them

Thanks so much for this script; I really needed this help

I have done this before. They called the next morning and I got what I needed.

Something a lot of people don't know, the job interview is not just to see if the employer wants to hire you, it's also to see if you want to work for them. It is also the time to negotiate things like salaries and benefits

I’m always scared they’re gonna say “nope bye”

The very first rule you learn in negotiations, an offer declined is an offer withdrawn. If you say no, then the offer is rescinded.

After getting fired from a bank for the first time in my 20 year career I was looking for another job. I was referred to a bank by an exceptional employee. The pay was less but so was the responsibility. They offered me a good salary for the role but I knew they had more room. I told them I would love to work for them and the bank but that I needed them to come up higher in the salary. They could go another $5k. Which is what I told them I wanted but I couldn’t take the job at their offer. They came back with another $2,500. It was a good sign to me of their willingness to be flexible so I accepted.

About to use this to respond to my offer….wish me the best…😅

I did this at my current job. Except they tried to play hardball at first, so I said thanks, but no thanks. They called me the next day, offering what I had asked for in the beginning 😆

I once tried to do that fresh out of university. 2 companies wanted to hire me. After consulting with my dad what to do and with his guidance I told the first company owner that I got offered more at the 2nd company, and the guy got mad at me and started yelling. Told me he had to start the vetting process all over again, and that this is not the way to do things when you start your professional career. I told him that if he was in my situation that he would have done the same thing, and that I don't understand why he's getting mad, he just cut me off and got more angry and didn't let me speak. I just wanted to tell him that I'm going for the other company, but my dad told me to negotiate. I worked at the 2nd company for 6 months, was bored and annoyed, quit, and changed my profession. Haha.

Companies do their own “Market Research” now and are starting to not budge. I received 3 job offers the last time I was looking for work and not a single one would budge because of their “research”. Luckily one paid enough to where it wasn’t necessarily up to par with the market for that specific role but still a huge pay increase for me

I can tell you flat out most companies I've worked for would bounce you the second you ask for a nickel more than they offered.

This is better than the quietly quitting video this one I agree with

This may be the most impactful and important video on KZfaq. Woman who don't know how to do this are one of the reasons they make 75% of a man's earnings.

I’ve negotiated higher salaries before in a similar way. I said something along the lines of “based on my experience, I was expecting something closer to $$$”. They came back with the same fact amount I asked for. Negotiate what you are worth! If you are in a position to do so, walk away from a job offer that is trying to lowball you.

And don't forget to check their vacation policy, if they don't bring it up. A lot of US Companies only give 2 weeks to new hires, and that can often be bumped up to 3 or 4 for a good candidate.

I was once offered $35 an hour for for a consulting job, and I told them I was expecting $75 an hour. They came back with an offer of $50 an hour, but I turned it down. There was a little more back and forth, but we eventually settled on $66 an hour.

I usually put my ideal salary expectation in my cover letter so that they know what I think I‘m worth. Then if I got an offer I can point to my salary expectation if it’s too low. I also think beforehand of benefits I would like like more vacation or a bike or a fitnessstudio and have a minimum salary I won’t go below - well and then you just try to find a compromise. For my last job I didn’t really need that fortunately because the offer was just slightly below my ideal salary.

This is only good when you actually have experience and skills you can bring to the table. Not when its your first job.

Someone once said to me, they will pay you how much they value you and do you really want to work at a company where they don’t value you

Correct - I also recommend that you ask what the salary range is upfront in the process, and be prepared to land lower but negotiate into the top 1/4 of the range.

I can agree to most but never give them a range. Always be precise with the number you need.

This is when I appreciate being the sole owner and operator of my business. No employees, no superiors, no negotiating. I don't even have to bid or negotiate prices or jobs with clients. I simply have a contract with another company, everything is flat rate and pays well. There's a lot of jobs like this in the trades

They don’t do that! They say.. that’s all I got.. take it or leave it.

If they take the job away from you for doing this as resonable as she did here, then it’s a huge red flag!

Negotiate well before this stage

Love this

I wanted to comment on this. One year ago I used this exact script. Literally. And the recruiter said almost verbatim what she said “let me take it back to manager”. They came back with like 6,000 more. It was great.

Happens all the time, it's not a car sale it's a job, so it's best to take the 82 since losing the offer would be much worse than 3k.

Every job I have done this with has taken away the offer almost immediately. No job wants to pay you more than they have to.

My story for this is recent but to your advice it is on the nose and absolutely correct. However I had gotten laid off from a company and during this they eliminated my role which they still needed. So a month later they post it up and I apply. I get through all the interviews and a few for some other companies. Now for my own sanity I wanted to go back to my old company since I knew the team and it would not be a huge adjustment. However as it currently stands I am waiting to hear back and this is after sharing with them the proposed band is not the market value they are asking for the position as well as sharing the base offers I had from other places. The worry I have is it feels like they are trying to run the clock on my ability to have options so they can low ball me.

As a recruiter I will always get the candidate to set what their expectations are and give that to the client so if either party tries to go lower or asks for more it’s bad faith from either

Can you show us how to do market evaluations? Especially for unique jobs such as first responders ( on the private side, not city). I always feel like when I look I get things like indeed and they’re very so much in pay.

Yeah my job has a structured salary. They would never do that but they would say here is how you can earn $x amount. They actually keep their word too

I tried doing this and they revoked my job offer

Unless you have access to proprietary salary survey data and are a compensation analyst, your “market data” is flawed! If you are driven by base pay only, make sure you work for a company that has the same values. Otherwise, consider the entire total rewards package: pay, benefits, wellness, career development, and work-life balance.

How have you not had this conversation before offer stage?

This almost never happens. HR never "gets back to you"

Literally never give them any indication of my salary expectations till after I get an offer. I always advise that I am negotiable during the process if the position fits for both parties. I have never had an off receded from me because of negotiation. This method does work, just not for entry level jobs.

Hmmm, that would never fly in the company I work for. We never only get one suitable candidate for the advertized position.

Yep I negotiated $10k just last week!

If I company offered me 75k a year, I would not be questioning a raise. I'd be thanking my lucky stars and doing naked bum rolls

This happened to me years ago and to cut a long story short I was the successful applicant I was given the contract and was told by the senior manager that the salary was non negotiable I declined and so did 4 others they offered the job to They tried many times to re advertise the role but eventually gave up as they still refused to negotiate

Just used the script, waiting for them. Thanks

Watching this chanel, and living in Poland - you would be unemployed and probably homless by now using this tips.

This works like 1% of the time

If they do take the offer back, you don't want to work at that company. (For many reasons) If you've truly done the research and you know you're worth more, then you *are* worth more. Don't sell yourself short.

Can see these amazing shorts in youtube only

This is not the way that the real world works. This video is made by a child, with no experience outside of academia, who makes videos hoping they go viral. Here’s a tip, accept, get experience and prove your value.

i needed to learn this in my early 20s..