No

1st ballot HOFer at that.

ESPN yes

YES

How is this even a topic... yes he’s HOF, less successful players have made it so yeah obviously he should be HOF

Sean F this is such an underrated comment. As a packer fan this man beat us twice to get to the super bowl. We had Hall of Fame quarterbacks both times. Eli deserves to be in the hall of fame for sure!

He is basically saying Eli was the constant for the Giants in his career and 2 outlier seasons shouldn't be enough to get into the HOF. That's SAS point anyway.

Keenan Nash that might be what he meant but this is a common thing people say about Eli. HE had X amount of seasons missing the playoffs but the TEAM won 2 Superbowls.

It's always been a TEAM game... problem is THE QB GET ALL THE CREDIT WHEN THE TEAM WINS, AND ALL THE BLAME WHEN THE TEAM LOSES

mo doe that's the problem. He's not getting all the credit for the super bowls but he is taking all the blame from SAS for the losing seasons

Jordan Metts a lot of QBs would kill to have his defense to

Faylon Johnson he still won them those two Super Bowls

None of them are in the hall of fame though

C S there’s garbage qbs in the HOF boy don’t be stupid now

and none of them would be hall of famers

erik puka Eli da 🐐

Yessir

So, when a guy scores 17 and 21 points against a team that just averaged over 35 points per game for an entire season, he's the MVP? Please explain. If even an average Brady shows up, those scores are blowouts.

@@tomknapp6194 The defense made Brady below average in those games. Brady didn't play poorly, because of a slump, he played poorly because of the elite defenses.

@@blueballedtech You mean the "elite defense" that gave up 45, 35, 31, 41, and 38 points in the regular season? Yeah, think about that for a minute. Seriously, in 5 of 16 games, they gave up a MINIMUM of 31 points. I do not see how that qualifies as an elite defense. In the post season, they basically gifted Eli a SB MVP, but most of the time, they were terrible. Oh, yeah, and 4 of those 5 games were against teams that didn't score more than 20 points against the Giants in the playoffs.... And that makes Eli a superstar? I've been waiting over a decade for someone to realistically explain this to me.

It was 3rd down and should have been called back for holding

@ John Wayne. Almost every play in a game should get called back for holding

But they don’t

@@detroitscoldest rewatch that play and tell me all 5 oline men didnt hold

Go back and watch any NFL game and tell me that there weren’t at least 8-10 holding calls missed

True that

Did he gives that or did a wide open plaxico buress and pressure defense give us that.

# 1 or when he broke out the sack?????

A1 Gamer yess

David Tyree & God deserve to be in the HOF

Hall of famer for sure

Gooey Louie it’s crazy how they keep disrespecting him so much

Gooey Louie Giant defense had something to do whit that.

Omega8kilo what was your point I’m lost

Giants holding onto their wins against the patriots as if it still matters. Since then they pray they even win the division. And their division is the weakest! From that time til now. Patriots have won multiple superbowls. 🤣

We "forget how great he was" because he was mediocre or worse WAY MORE TIMES than he was "great" And we know those SB MVPs were given to him. He played okay, and had two magical passes at the end of the games. His D kept the best offense in NFL history at the time (07 Pats) to 14 points. I'm sure ALOT of teams would win SBs with that kind of defensive performance. Just ask 2016 Peyton, who's D owned everyone that year.

@@goldenkizaru1560 I couldn't agree more. Eli didn't do much against Brady who destroyed the league in the regular season, yet Eli gets credit for the win. I have yet to find a NYG fan that can properly explain this to me. It has been years that I have been asking.........

​@@goldenkizaru1560 lol show us your nfl resume see how you do

​@@tomknapp6194 everyone blames the qb for winning or losing. But people try so hard to take that credit away when it comes to eli

@@joejoemartinez6059 At first glance, it looks like Eli was the MVP of both SBs. Until you realize that the defense held the Patriots to 23 and 18 points below their season averages..... And Eli still barely won. Eli literally played 8 straight playoff teams that were 6-23 points below their season average and still barely managed to win. If all those games were played and those teams just had their average scores, Eli wins 1 game. By less than 1 point. And those are the facts. Eli was a below average QB carried by the defense.

@@jamesthomas1649 that would be Phillip Rivers

@@jamesthomas1649 Joe Namath is actually.

Nah that title belongs to Rivers.

Lol. So Rivers played great during those post season games?? Eli has a higher passer rating than Rivers during the post season. Rivers is not a big game qb. He got smoked in Foxboro last season.

Hes right

I could see a case be made for someone on defense in the first one but I would agree with the second being deserved

Those 2 seasons were the best offensive seasons of Tom Brady's career and the defense shut him down. Sacks, tackles for loss and they held Moss to just 62 yards.

Huh? You act like Eli was the runaway MVP of that game. A lot of people thought Justin Tuck was the MVP.

I don’t get the playoff thing, it’s football he doesn’t play defense and he has the worst o line

@@TheCruzan26 That's why Super Bowl MVP awards are a complete joke and shouldn't be considered when evaluating a player's career. The award almost always goes to the QB of the winning team unless a RB or WR has insane numbers. That wasn't going to happen for those Giant teams built on great defense.

Why you mention Dak

@@Blingman121v3 bc if you didn't watch til the end Stephen A mentioned Dak and his moments.

Jacob Garza he a 500 quarterback over 15 seasons he not a hofer at all

The defense isn't outscoring the Pats in those games. Eli and the offense is.

How? Longevity doesn't equate to HOF. The level of play matters.

What about Joe Flacco and Nick Foles winning a Superbowl? If they win a 2nd one should they be in the HoF?

PrinceH8907 how is he wrong when you didn’t say anything he said was wrong? Name one lie he told on Eli please. Eli Manning never lead the league in anything but turnovers 3 times , and he leads the league in total turnovers since coming into the league in 2004

Brady Not My Goat 🐐

PrinceH8907 the defense won those games he’s not a hall of famer

Eli’s not a hall of famer, when most have to even think about it you already have your answer. Eli’s defense won them both of those superbowls, and other playoff games also have an affect, just like Brady’s game vs the eagles he lost but still had a great game, or Rodgers losing in the playoffs he still had great games despite the losing effort. Those games I wouldn’t say give you a boost but they show your not going out without a full fight. Eli doesn’t have that

Dac will never have a "moment" like Eli has had.

Yea that was just dumb af..Dak is never gonna have the resume that Eli has

Kevin Lamont dak will have better stats then Eli if he keeps on track. I would have dak as my QB then Eli heck If Super Bowls means everything so Joe Flacco a HOF?

Coolpecan joe got 2 rings and 2 mvps

PullupintheG G35 joe only got 1 ring but no ones says he’s going be a HOF cuz he doesn’t deserve it. I think Eli gets a lot credit cuz if he’s last name

Thank you ! Joe namith is in so any qb should b in

4 weeks ago Stephen a Smith said Montana is the goat because he beat Bret farvre and Troy aikman in the Superbowl... that's what he said. Rewind the tape. He should never talk football again

Romeo Williams where is that from

@@egg14able44 ESPN first take....it was with Damien Woody or either Marcus Spears.,.. Max kellerman or anybody else didn't even correct him...he should have had his football card token right then indefinitely and expeditiously

The QBs with worse stats that are in the HoF are QBs where the game of football was played differently.

@Luna EB maybe but it didnt happen. Romo cost us alot of games. I think he was very very good but not great

@Alvalanker i love NYC. Great city ,nothing like it.

Bro Aikman is in so should Eli. He only won 1 less Super Bowl than Aikman. And his stats destroy Aikman. And Aikman definitely belongs in the Hall. So does Manning.

No he shouldn't

@@chancep8985 over 57, 000 yards thrown. 366 TDs. 2-0 in Super Bowls. And 2 Super Bowl MVPs. What more do you want from the guy? He dwarfed Aikman's numbers and won 1 less Super Bowl. Troy is in. So should Eli.

Accepting to be stretched thin will do that to someone

3 weeks ago Stephen a Smith said Montana is the goat because he beat farve and aikman in the Superbowl....that's what he said .. rewind the tape. His opinion on football doesn't even matter anymore

@@romeowilliams8020 Montana is the Goat. Montana much like Peyton, proved his Goatness when he went to another team (KC) and almost got THEM to the Super Bowl. He also never lost in the SB. Eli is a HoFer, just not as solid as others BUT I can't believe that Max and Victor at the end actually tried to make the argument *for having Eli over Peyton* as if Peyton doesn't have 2 Super Bowls and 5 MVP's and running into Brady and Belicheck year in and year out.

@@romeowilliams8020 He was right on that one

Being a Cowboys fan since Staubach and I can honestly say that I'm sorry to have seen Eli retired. He was terrible. He's literally worse than QBs like Tannehill, Cutler, and Mayfield. And I don't see anyone saying those guys belong in the HoF.

@@tomknapp6194 What are you smoking?

@@jdolo4670 I take it that you don't think those guys I mentioned are very good?

Like Stephen need to be drug tested lol

Des Hanson you didn’t get what he was saying because you think Eli is a hof. So somebody who’s the highest paid talker for spots don’t no anything because he told the truth on Eli? Name a lie he told please just one !

True Journey how for telling the truth ?

He doesnt. Not hard to see. Thats why he always brings up empty stats and calls it a resume to hide the fact he knows nothing about the intricates of the game

@@jkappakj4652 for one you gotta learn how to spell better. Using " no " for " Know " is inexcusable. Secondly, when Dak beats Brady, Rodgers in the regular seaaon, let alone PLAYOFFS then idiots like you can talk. Comparing Dak Prescott to a 2 Time Super Bowl champion who is also 8 - 3 in the playoffs is idiotic

We can also talk bout jamarcus Russel. Wats ya point?😂😂

187 Misfits Spade can’t have the narrative that Brady is the goat (which he is) if he lost 2 Super Bowls to Eli led teams one of those teams were 18-0

@@nathanprohaska3505 cant compare the 2 regardless

187 Misfits Spade when did I compare them?

@@nathanprohaska3505 you didn't but Brady is hof worthy, Eli isn't

AND went head to head with the GOAT twice and beat him both times in the only game that stat-whores like to talk about when their backs are against the wall and can't say that another player's stats aren't good enough, i.e. "Okay, but how many rings does he have? I rEsT mY cAsE."

Are you sure about that? I'm not asking about his totals, but he is a HoF candidate. Think carefully because I have FACTS that will destroy everything that you have posted. And you are no Cowboys fan if you think he belongs in the HoF.

@@tomknapp6194 AAAANNNNDDDD WE’RE STIL WAITING ON THOSE SUPPOSED FACTS

@@AAAA-nv5cf No problem. Facts are eternal. Top 10 all time in yards, completion, and TDs? That really sounds great doesn't it? In fact, at the end of 2018, I took the draft class of 2004 and they (Eli, Rothlisberger, and Rivers) were all 6th, 7th, and 8th all time for yards and TDs. Yards: BR 56194 RM 55981 (-213) PR 54656 (-1538) TDs: PR 374 BR 363 (-11) EM 360 (-14) Yep, in a very closely knit group since they all played 15 years at the time. But, let's take in consideration one more stat. No, no interceptions. Yes, we all know how that would end. No, let's factor in attempts. Attempts: EM 7972 BR 7168 (-804) PR 7000 (-972) Now, we get to the heart of the matter. Eli needed 804 more attempts to have fewer yards and fewer TDs than BR and 974 more attempts to not have as many TDs and slightly more yards. That is nearly two more full seasons worth of attempts to not even have their totals. More perspective: Once you figure out his yards/attempt and TDs per attempt, he is no longer top 10 all time. In fact, he falls to: Yards/attempt: #91 (Tied with : Andy Dalton, Brian Griese, and BEHIND: Jay Cutler, Derek Carr, Marc Bulger, Chad Pennington, Matthew Stafford, Carson Palmer, Ryan Tannehill, Baker Mayfield, Daunte Culpupper, and Trent Green) TDs/attempt: #72 (Tied with: Andy Dalton, Carson Wendz, and BEHIND: Jay Cutler Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford, Daunte Culpepper, Baker Mayfield, Jameis Winston) Basically behind or tied with a bunch of guys that no one would remotely think of putting in the HoF. 4 Pro bowls? That's a good point for 16 years? Geez, Romo had 4 pro bowl (and a second string all pro) in only 8 complete years. Never an MVP. In fact, never in consideration for it. Sure, he was nominated in 2011, but just because he was in the playoffs. Other non-playoff QBs had better a better season. In fact, he was never even the best QB in the NFC East. 2 Rings? He was literally carried by the defense. In 2007, Romo, Favre, and Brady (All QBs that destroyed the Giants defense in the regular season to an average of 35 points per game) were all having one of their worst games of the year (averaged 17 points in the playoffs) and Eli still needed multiple lucky plays to pull out a win. Same thing in 2011 vs Packers (although not a close game that one time) and Brady again. Please tell me how that makes Eli an MVP. Someone on the defense should have received it. Ever re-watch the 2007 season SB? In the six plays leading up the the "Helmet Catch", Eli tried to give the game away in 5 of 6 plays. Two high and incompletes into double coverage (Aikman even comments that he lucky to still have the ball), a drastically underthrown 3rd down that could have easily converted. Jacobs bails the Giants out by Inches. Eli scrambles and caught from behind, fumbling the ball, and recovering between his legs. Then an uncontested dropped interception. That was the MVP?!?!??! BTW, the are his only good points and now I have shown how they really aren't. So, while the push to put him in the Hall is over in this conversation, I haven't even begun to warm up? Want some more? BTW, before coming back and tell me how stupid or hating I am, please show me where I'm wrong. This is nothing but 100% fact. If it sounds like hate to you, then you are just in denial. The facts show that Eli was lucky and should never be in the Hall of Fame.

@@AAAA-nv5cf AAAAAANNNNNNNDDDDD i'm still waiting on your response. Don't worry though. I get this a lot from Eli fans who get blasted out of the water and then disappear.

Zameer Madhani Yeah and how many times he had led the league in any passing related stat in a seasons beside interceptions? I’ll wait...

@@allaccordingtoplan5560 He led the league in Superbowl MVP trophies. Two times..

@@dbreiden83080 Which the defense truly won.

@@tomknapp6194 Then Brady's defense won him multiple rings in NE.. Right? He wasn't outdueling Peyton in the snow in NE. Brady's D dominated.. Brady also scored basically 0 points against the Rams..

@@dbreiden83080 Brady has not had his best games by far in the SB. Some of those wins were lucky ones. I want you to look at some sets of numbers and tell me who is most likely to win based solely upon the skill of the QB. The QB that is 236-70 (77%) or 117-117 (50%). The QB with the lifetime passer rating of 97.6 or 84.1? You want to make it sound like that the bad SB games for Brady were typical of his career. They weren't. You want to make it seem like Eli carried his team to 2 SB wins. He didn't. Everything is not as simple as reading a headline. Eli literally went through 2007 and 2011 because opposing QBs were having one of their worst games of the year. Those would be the Cowboys, Packers, Patriots, Packers (again), and Patriots (again). If even an average QB for those teams show up, almost every one of those wins would be a blowout. Those teams were literally averaging at least 28 points per game for an entire season and then none of them score more than 20 and that is because of Eli? Please explain.

That actually false. Go check his 2007 Superbowl run. Let's just take GB Eli 21-40 251 0tds 0ints Farve 19-35 236 2tds 2ints Farves last int ended the game as the Packers were driving for the win. The defense and running game (2 running backs totals 130yds 2tds) won the game.

Tashan Ty Taylor that’s one game, look at his 2011 run it was far better than 2007

Tashan Ty Taylor lol nice job pointing out one game in -12 degree weather where if you watched the game(obviously you didn’t) you would know he threw it extremely well

Couple Years should not make you a Hall of Famer...

joe chrow No but winning 2 Super Bowls and 2 Super Bowl MVP’s should. This is a moronic debate. QB’s play to be great you can’t be great without winning championships. Numbers are garbage in some he’s great and others he’s not good but those don’t define his career it’s stupid to think otherwise.

Did he end it or his team end it?

I just want my baby No it isn’t.

With a lucky catch. Body of work gets you into hall. .500 record is good enough

No, the defense ended the Patriots season.

@@dreg5845 All hustle no luck.

If between Peyton and Eli, I would take Eli when........ Well, never. Peyton is almost 2x the QB that Eli is. Eli was lucky and luck runs out. And that's the bottom line.

@Risner France Garces What did Eli do to earn those MVPs? Two lucky plays and led the Giants to 17 and 21 points vs a team that just averaged 35 points per game. The true MVP was the defense. Eli just benefited. So, yes, he was lucky. But, let's really drive the lucky point home. What did Favre, Brady, and Romo (x2) do to the Giants defense in the 2007 regular season? An average of 38 points. And then in the playoffs, none of them had over 20 and that was because of Eli? Please explain. In fact, Eli has never beaten a playoff team that scored more than 20 points. So, once again, yes he was lucky.

@Risner France Garces I guess you haven't watched the NFL like I have for the last 45 years. All it takes is one bad break to bounce a team from the playoffs. Eli literally had multiple lucky breaks each game to barely win against QBs that were having one of their worst games of the year. Does that sounds like a HoF QB to you? And you do realize that Eli has been to the playoffs more than 2007 and 2011, right? Let's summarize those two "SB runs". 4 playoffs, 4 games, 4 losses, 3 crushing defeats, 1 shutout, a combined 3 TDs (less than 1 per game), 7 ints (almost 2 per game), 1 game over 169 yards, and a 54 passer rating. You do remember those years also, right?

tito thomas I mean there are a lot of nfl players that don’t deserve to be in the hall of fame that are. Eli should be in it too

TimothyKK who doesn’t deserve to be in the HoF? Some of the originals held records at the time but there stats don’t look great now but Eli is a modern day qb with stats similar to a qb from the 80s. It’s not close

@@jamesthomas1649 Those 2 games were Super bowl finals dude he beat a 18-0 Patriots probably the best team of all time and he beat brett favre at lambeau and aaron rodgers

tito thomas tf you talking about two games? You mean two Super Bowls. You mean two historic play off runs. You mean two SB MVPS.

tito thomas top 10 in all major passing categories. Beat packers on the road twice, beat 49ers, Cowboys, bucs on the road and beat patriots twice in superbowl and 2 superbowl mvps

shortstackJMD96 Best answer..Eli might never been the best far as talent, but it’s so many QBs that would kill to have his resume..Eli is the sole reason why the Pats don’t have 8rings

@@shinsukecorbin425 Eli led the league in Interceptions 3 different years and is 116-116 in wins loses. He's a hall of famer but not a first ballot hall of famer.

Sam joe Namath had a 173-220 TD-INT ratio Eli is 362-241

Kevin Lamont don’t forget about them eagles boy 🥇

your not even black with that fake account....you white boys try way to hard.

@ tito thomas ... Anti-Eli troll.

No Justin Tuck deserved that first MVP.... it's because he's a Manning

His stats alone should have him in the Hall of Fame ...anytime he was in the playoffs he delivered... had Cruz and Beckham showed up in GB he prob would have 3 ... and they could've went back to back had plax not shot himself

@ tito thomas They won 8 games during those runs.

nice fake account white boy

He’s not wrong. He’s had 2 good years. That’s not a good career

EXACTLY STEPHEN IS FULL OF U KNOW WAT!

He's right.

You must be on the weed if you think he a hof so you gtfo with tht shyt an thts💯

Kevin O'campo only because his last name.

takes a clown to know one

Alex Bony what r u like 7?

Alex Bony Stephan a smith is only famous for entertainment he’s literally a clown

@@Tuesflex pathetic comeback, nope but judging on your weak reply I would say you are within the same age group

And he was never the best QB in the NFC East.

@@tomknapp6194 who was better? ROMO?

@@garrettholloway9723 Actually, yes. Romo was a much better QB. He was just victimized constantly by his own team and just bad luck while Eli was a below average QB that had extraordinary good luck. But, his career was not that good.

Xavier Duke Eli was within the top 10 in QB's every year.He didn't make the playoffs alot of years bcuz of injuries throughout the team.A couple of those years if they would've made the playoffs Eli would have 4 rings instead of 2

Not even close. The Cavs has help from the refs, injuries and a bogus suspension. Not to mention curry disappearing in the biggest moments

nobody cares about the refs and bs.. the warriors had to win 1 game that’s it and couldn’t even do it so. They choked man lol

ForrealForreal nope i would say giants was more impressive. Nba rides bron

Kyle Lancaster so u saying Draymond suspension ain’t play a factor in the Cavs coming back? Don’t be ignorant fam

Yeah it was, but Eli was the Dellavadova of that team.

Yup, He's a rude hack that doesn't understand football.

YEA HES A JACKASS!

Eli Defense won both Superbowl please stop gassing him Eli.

IsmokeHiphop Live both sides of the ball are important. But one thing remains constant in both scenarios. Eli led offense in final moments of the game. Period.

@@Curbstompextraordinaire so is nick foles a HOF because he won a SB and SB MVP on his first try?

that makes no sense. the guy missed the playoffs more then he made it

The Big Bronkowski that’s a retarded argument. No. Because he didn’t beat the undefeated patriots with Tom Brady and Bill B. And then the same caliber team again...

But if you stack his resume up against QBs who have made the HoF, they would be better than a lot of them. Why did Joe nameth make the HoF? One super bowl run, where he predicted that his team would pull off the upset and did it. Outside of that? He has more interceptions than TDS and completion % is hovering around 50%. Is Joe Nameth not a HoF?

TheJumpman319 but Namath played in a different era a running game era Eli was there during the semi passing and running game era. When comparing one should compare against QB of their own era. Like put his numbers and winning against River and Rothlesberger...to me he will make the HOF but he will always be the guy where everyone is 50/50 on it.

@@TheJumpman319 I 100% agree with this statement. Joe Namath does not belong in there either with his doodoo numbers. The only thing Namath had going for him, is the fact that, until Marino (ish), the league was all about running backs. So the QB's job, in that era, was to convert 3rd downs and not blow the game. Namath succeeded at that. Poor numbers but in the 60's that was considered elite.

@@srikargarapati7353 I agree. When looking at Eli I'm thinking was he a top tier QB in his era under current the rules? The answer is no. He was never a top five QB and was arguably barely top 10. Being in the 67% of QB's is not good enough IMO.

For real like why is this even a debate

@@evoguapo4481 It is not a debate because Eli just was not that good. He literally was never even the best QB in the NFC East. Better QBs than Eli: Marc Bulger, Ryan Tannehill, Baker Mayfield, and Jay Cutler (to make a few). I don't see anyone calling them great. .

Actually, his name is Elisha Nelson Manning. Yes, Elisha. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that you really don't know how bad he truly was if you can't even get his name right.

@@tomknapp6194 don't worry.. They will get his name right on his bust, take it to the bank, lol.

Eli was good in like 10% of his games and the rest he was avg/ below avg but yup hof for sure. He is as overrated as flacco was

Multiple bad QBs won the superbowl and they're not in or going to the hall of fame

So your saying trent dilfer is a hof qb?

He never won a league mvp. But I do think he is a hall of famer. Just not a first ballot hall of famer.

@Chris Houston so, by your definition of a HOF Quarterback, should Joe Namath be removed from the HOF ?

That's coaching and defense bro..... Eli never even thrown 300 yards in a superbowl game..... he's never won a playoff game besides those superbowl wins...

You do realize that Eli was in the playoffs more than 2007 and 2011, right? He made it 4 other times in which he had 4 losses with 3 crushing defeats. In those combine 4 losses, he had 3 TDs, 7 ints, a 55 passer rating, and 1 game over 169 yards. Don't say he makes a difference without looking at the whole picture.

when you cant spell "lose" thats when you lose me

@@duprebushnell2488 When you spell "can't" without an apostrophe, that's when you lose me.

KING JAY UNO loose=not right. Lose is the word you are looking for

You look like you lost yourself on your way to preschool

AllBoutBeantown and way more tds

This is seriously misleading. Brees had 1 less interception. On 2,432 more attempts. Just straight totals don't tell the entire story.

You’re completely wrong and have no factual basis to stand on.

@@357twilson led the league in Interceptions for three years. He holds no records.

Sam oh yeah that’s a real Disqualifier

@Andy Bailey I can't find one with two super bowl MVPs and no MVPs but here are a few guys I think are comparable to Eli. Len Dawson who was a QB into the mid 70s. He had several afl Championships was a super bowl mvp went to a pro bowl and was an afl mvp and he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer. Bob Griese who was a 2 time super bowl champ 6 time pro bowler and a league mvp who played into the 80s and he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer. Kurt Warner who was a super bowl mvp 2 time league mvp and 4 time pro bowler and he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer. I'm not saying Eli shouldn't be in the hall of fame I'm just saying that his 2 super bowl MVPs and 4 pro bowls put him in the company of people like Warner Griese and Dawson. I'd say he's a step up from Dawson and Griese and a step below Terry Bradshaw and Kurt Warner. He'll Otto Graham wasn't a first ballot hall of famer and he did more for football then most of these guys I mentioned.

@@357twilson as a first ballot in my mind it hurts him.

Like you said, oversimplified. Thank god you’re not on the ballot

A.R. Smith My point was to oversimplify it. There are statistics that bode well for Eli Manning getting in, but I wanted to make a layman’s argument.

Fr had me dead 😂

What about the other 232 games he had in which he was basically marginally better than a backup QB? Don't base his worthiness to be in the Hall on less than 4% of his career.

Jim Plunkett first.

Lol dude has only led the league in one category during his career...INTs and was never even a top 5 QB in the league during any year that he played. If you put mediocre players like this into the HOF you open up flood gates for all 💩 players like flacco and rivers etc.

@Digonto Zahid Eli doesn't play defense so he didn't beat Brady..... Tom Coughlin and that defense stopped New England

@Digonto Zahid nick foles would like to have a word with you... Both mediocre

You do realize that those SB runs make up less than 4% of his otherwise average career. Which is the true Eli? The one in those 8 games or the one in the other 226 games? And even in those 8 games, he wasn't that great.

@@tomknapp6194 I think you may have forgotten just how important the role of a QB is in the League. Do you think Eli leaned back on his heels in those 2 Super Bowl-winning years or the years before and between? No. It takes a leader to bring a team's success, good game or bad game; win or lose. What we don't see are the many pre-game preparation speeches that Eli gave to his team to ensure that they were on the same page; offense, *and* defense. We people don't understand is that it takes a special individual to lead his team to a Super Bowl appearance, let alone win it. Eli's brother Peyton only won 50% of his SB appearances, and may I remind you that Eli beat the Patriots.... *twice.* And not only that, but he also got MVP in one of those. No, Eli may not be at the same level as Drew Brees or Tom Brady, but he is definitely a HOFer. In his prime, he *was* an elite, because he was still a *leader.* Guys could tune in to that leadership and help contribute to the team knowing that Eli would lead them to success, and maybe a Super Bowl win. I grew up being a fan of the Giants for a time. It's just my opinion from what I saw.

@@gseric4721 Do you realize that in 2007 with 1:30 to go in the game, Eli had a 72 passer rating against a guy that just averaged 117 over 16 games and Eli still needed a lucky play to win the game. 10 years later, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how that wins him the MVP. How was he still in the game? It was the defense, but being on the defense isn't as sexy as being the QB. Eli didn't deserve either MVP. It should have gone to someone on the defense.

@@tomknapp6194 Did they still win against a heavily favored Patriots team? Yes. Did they win it as a team. Definitely. Eli might not have deserved getting the MVP, but you better believe he credited it to all of his teammates.

@@gseric4721 Eli literally never beat a playoff team that scored more than 20 points. Even when those same teams in the regular season scored 45, 31, 35, 38, 27, and 37 points. 8 straight playoff teams scoring 6-23 points below their season average and Eli still needed lucky last second plays for a win. If all those game were played again and the opposition just scored their average from the regular season, Eli goes 1-8, beating Tampa Bay by less than a point. It was the defense that did all the heavy lifting. Holding those 8 teams to an average of 16 points. Seriously, what QB cannot beat that? Eli was below average, carried through both postseasons, and should never be in the HoF.

Michael Wilkie Bret farve

What playoff passing yards record does he have over Brady?

charlieakateddy passing yards in a single post season, (I should have been more specific). His 2011 SB run he threw for 1200-ish yards.

Kinda empty record when he's playing 4 games from the Wildcard round I'm guessing but fair enough.

Lol weakest entry??? Are you nuts? You see your comment is an opinion. The record books are facts. Fact > opinion.

McAdoo ,Coughlin and Shurmur you mean

@Omega8kilo he only made playoffs 6 times ...of course he lost a lot

I wasn’t totally sold before I saw your comment but now it really makes sense. He got it done. If you’re a team you can’t really get much more success and longevity with any other qb then they did with him

4x pro bowler for 16 years is HoF material?

Omar Brown I was waiting for this comment 😂😂

Max reaction was like did he just say sexy? 👀 🤔😂

What a weird word to use when talking about football. How many people are thinking about whether something is sexy or not, when talking about football? I've never looked at a quarterback and thought, "that's a sexy throw."

IdiotSavant 13th I have lol

M well, if you’re a heterosexual man, you might be one of the few who would think or say that. If that’s the case, more power to you.

Joe Namath shouldn't be in the HOF also... lots of NFL HOFers carreers defined by "moments" or "few seasons".

? He is a Manning

I think he means, if he weren't a Manning

If Eli wasn’t a Manning we wouldn’t be having this conversation tbh

Actually everything he said is complete horseshit. Because he is just a hater. He did not in anyway take anything into historical context. Take a look at some of the quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame. So many of them have inferior resumes to one Eli Manning. But Eli does not deserve to be in? Yes he does. Joe Namath For example literally made an entire life out of guaranteeing and winning one football game in the Super Bowl. The rest of his career was garbage. He’s in the Hall of Fame.

More great playoff runs than half of the HOFers currently enshrined in Canton. For example, I'm a Bears fan so Urlacher comes to mind. Great player, leader, HOFer...0 SB wins. The whole reason players are paid as much as they are is to take to the field and win a championship no matter the sport. The reason why players like Brian Urlacher and Dan Marino played at such a high level for so long was to get to and win the Super Bowl. You can't tell me that any HOFer who hadn't won a Super Bowl wouldn't trade their stats for even ONE ring.

@@camaro2390 And I would NEVER say that Eli is better than Marino. He is not. But when you look at his fellow QB's in the HOF, this argument against Eli is silly. Players without his longevity, without his rings, made the hall as QB's. There is no rational argument to keep Eli out. You have a much harder time making the case he is not worthy. 2 rings, 2 Superbowl MVP Awards, 15 years missed no starts, 350 plus TD's, 50 thousand pass yards. No HOF? Huh??

@@dbreiden83080 I completely agree, this entire argument against Eli being in the HOF breaks down into cherry picking stats that fit their narrative.

Barely an average career with 2 lucky SB runs. That is not the definition of a HoF player.

So his stats are make believe?

At least Max listens.

GG 6 he is on his phone checking texts and things probably getting information he thinks he can use on the show.

Nick Foles for HOF?

doesn't mean he should be a hall of famer, but there's no way they keep him out

What about the rest of his career? You know 109-113 in the regular season and such...... ?

@@nrkgalt nick foles was a backup who got a start in the playoffs and versed an aging Tom Brady and Patriots team. Eli on the other hand versed 23 touchdown record setting Randy Moss along with the greatest Quarterback of all time and stacked defense and still managed to mythically drive the ball down field and score the game winning touchdown. Come on papi

That stat definitely says a lot - especially since he looks like the kid that was bullied in school everyday.

Amazing Daniel Jones might miss the rest of the season. At least two or three games. That’s more games than Eli Manning missed in 15 years. He never missed a game. The longevity is insane.

116-116 is 132 games

Peyton is a regular season QB, he has a great resume but in SB he has come up short. I will take Peyton in the regular season but Eli in the playoffs.

Peyton Manning 3 - 1 vs Tom Brady in the biggest games.

@@357twilson And?

Gavin Beck ehhhh I think it’s more of him being a Giant and what he has done for New York. If he was on the jaguars yea probably wouldn’t be a HoF

Ryan McCarthy very good point sir. I could definitely see that as a role at play here.

If its about multiple rings as a starting QB, why has no one ever endorsed Jim Plunkett to be in the hall of fame...?

Paxsoprano Dynasty Tim plunkett had more interceptions than touchdowns throughout his career. Sorry but I don’t think he’s really comparable.

@@ryanmccarthy18 So did Joe Namath.....so I guess playing in New York helps......

I agree they put all these other quarterbacks above him but he's beat them when it was said he couldn't I remember those runs to the superbowl I remember he broke hearts but it seems like this moron stephen a smith wasn't watching the same games

Ummm there will be no scrutiny Aaron Rodgers is a no-brainer Hall of famer. He's been an elite player for pretty much his entire career and was the focal point of this team every year. He broke a former Hall of famers records of the very guy he replaced. I'm not even a Green Bay Packers but this is clear to any football.

Damon Brown they didn’t state none of that , use the same formula they used and see what you get . Oh yea how many rings he got? Max come get ya plate grandma calling you 🤣

@@sharkbaite3836 they use that formula for Eli Manning because he has nothing on his resume other than those two super bowl wins. Aaron Rodgers on the other hand has been a consistent winner. At no point in Eli's career was he ever considered elite meanwhile in Rogers has been elite for pretty much the entirety of his career and it's finally seeing a decline. But from an individual standpoint Aaron Rodgers has accomplished a lot. Aaron Rodgers has always been surrounded by mediocracy. That's the only real reason he doesn't have six rings himself.

Damon Brown head to head Eli outplayed that man outplayed favre outplayed Brady twice when it matters I’m your man talk to Eli nice 👍 that’s a helluva resume Rodgers cannot day the same he’s basically iverson, fun to watch scores a lot easy on the eyes but has not won , always a bridesmaid never a bride

Jose Vargas Thank You! The Giants were cursed with injuries year after year and a couple of those seasons they got healthy but it was too late.If they would've made the playoffs I guarantee Eli would have 4 rings instead of 2 and they wouldn't even be having this discussion