Then adds; “Guys I was up all night working on it and haven’t slept.....”, to throw a little unintentional shame in there.

He’s the guy that does 80% of the presentation but can’t speak in front of a crowd without breaking down. Insert Steve Jobs who can’t make the project but could sell sand to a lizard.

The guy who does 80% of the work, then the other two guys take all the credit behind his back.

The "group" would get the highest grade for the "group" project if you let Woz do the whole 100%. He's such a decent bloke he probably wouldn't mind one bit.

and gets hardly any of the credit

Lee lol

i was about to say it, you're absolutely right

What made Apple, in fact , is looking for big money ! No passion in this but $$$ quest

it's Jobs' passion that made Apple so big. Wozniak was just a tool for success. Cope harder

@@apocalypticbean you got it backwards asshat

Oh definitely, it shows too!

It looks more as a shy nerd that when you get to know him are more charismatic that you expected.

I know I’d rather work with Woz than Jobs

You can tell! Jobs was a psychopath.

And more alive.

and as if his techincal achievements weren't enough, back in the early 80s he hired and chilled w/ van halen to play a music festival. can not respect this OG bro enough

because this man is much much larger then Apple will ever be. He is a giant.

0:29 "$666.66" ];-D.

I think its smart. No need to spend money for a big house just so you stand out as long if its safe. And I also like thats he is a honest and a hard working man!

Jobs was the face, Woz was the seed. Jobs saw an opportunity w Woz, and any other savvy entrepreneur could have started the company, but Jobs was the one that pushed for better products and faster. So in the end both were needed for Apple to be where it is.

And there wouldn't have been Apple without Jobs. I owned a computer company in the late 90's at the age of 18. I had built my first computer at age 6. But being in the business I realized that computer "technicians" had no business skills and I spent more time running the business than messing with computers and I never got to do the fun stuff. I never invented anything like Apple and my computer business was sold due to me having a lot of health problems at an early age, I think because I was a lot like Steve Jobs. I still talk to some of my old technicians but they were like Woz. Some of them tried starting businesses and all failed. Woz might've invented the coolest thing but without someone to invent and grow the BUSINESS, Apple never would've became Apple without both of them.

@@tedh1979 They both clearly needed each other. Apple doesn't exist without 2 Steve's. It was a great partnership.

The knife cut both ways buddy. Both steves needed each other. They are both part of the equation.

Woz was the heart definitely

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It’s nice to see Woz can joke about himself

@Ben Alvis I know. I was referring to the technical genius he was. Jobs was of course the innate sales person.

The two Steve’s is the geniuses behind Apple

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@Origami Mambo Project congratulation, you just made me mad.

@Origami Mambo Project yeah, sadly i sinked down below the sea. Im wrecked by the fucking useless u-boats.

A thousand times more respect for Wasniak than for Jobs.

Rob Fowler hear hear 👍

+Larkinchance Agree :D

me too

+Larkinchance Jobs is one of of the most overrated persons ever involved in technology.

+Larkinchance While having ambition is hardly a bad thing (as well as just wanting to make money to have a better life with in reason) I do agree that many Americans have their priorities messed up and the fact that Steve is along a house hold name and most people will draw a blank stare at the mention of Wozniak is a testament to that fact (that's not to say I don't think Steve deserves to praised since he still did a lot to get Apple off the ground but in a perfect world they would of both have had top billing). All in perfect world it should be: American's love ambition. American's love innovation, building up industry and making a better lives for themselves. Americans love Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak.

+S. D. Gentry In terms of engineering, but most people respect him for Pixar and taking Apple from a company with a market cap of $2.3 Billion - $314 Billion. Steve Wozniak was a brilliant engineer and the 17 year life span of the Apple II shows that, but he couldn't have saved Apple in 1997.

Steve Jobs probably would've replied with something arrogant or belittling.

@@acoustic61 I have a letter written to me by Jobs which many would consider as harsh. The man was all business...

@@brianjay9811 If a world scientific government was composed by people like wozniak, we would have peace and prosperity for all mankind everywhere, we could aim for great progresses like the end of famine, of desertification, of pollution, and conquer the solar system, use a.i., automation, dna engineering, fusion energy etc to terminate the money system, market, competition, wage work, capitalism and imperialism; if the world was run by people like jobs, we would instantly have a world war

@@brianjay9811 could you share any excerpts?

​@@opts9 Sure. The set up is that in 1983, I was a poor artist living in Alaska. Due to my desire for an Apple II and noticing a photo of Steven sitting in a living room with no artwork on his walls, I decided to ship him a very large painting, titled "Gramps", of an old man sitting on a tomato truck, in exchange for an Apple IIe. I also included a program I had written on a borrowed Apple, which I hoped, with Jobs help, would make me millions. I dug deep into my finances to have the painting crated and shipped to California. A month later, I received this letter: "I'd like to thank you for sending "Gramps" and your 10,000 Faces program; I *do* like Gramps, and hope your programming work brings you great success. I regret that we won't be able to send the Apple IIe that you requested; you're right, I would like to help if I could, but we have a very strict policy that all distribution of our products must be handled directly by an Apple dealer, as this is the only way you can be assured of prompt and courteous service and support for your computer. You mentioned in your letter that "Gramps" is one of your favorite works and worth approximately $1000; I'd feel very bad about keeping your work and not offering the compensation you asked for, so I thought it best to return it to you, and let you have the chance to perhaps sell it and be fairly paid for your efforts. It is being shipped separately. Your interest in our products is very much appreciated; again, I wish you the very best. Sincerely, Steve (signed in felt pen) Steven P. Jobs Chairman Board of Directors Well I guess this was not as hard-nosed as I remembered. Now forty years later, I still have the painting and sell prints of it on my FineArtAmerica page. My plan is to put this letter up on eBay, now that I'm back in Alaska and looking to finance yet another great Apple computer...

Jobs was the OS.

@@MakeULaf5illy - Interesting but Wozniak would have programmed the OS as well. :)

Computer case is too much credit.

More like, Woz was the power supply, Jobs was the CPU.

Steve Jobs was also the screen and the mouse and the keyboard and the box and the marketing and the success of Apple.

I saw that and remembered that, I have recently started worrying about how back in the days, I used to put Pb in my mouth like him. I'll probably have some mental illness when I get older (lead does a number on the neuron connections), geee I hope not.

I saw that and thought "dam if he's did it every day for years, I think I should start doing it for my Sunday projects".

+Awesomeman1987 I mean the solder in my mouth

Electrostatic discharges was not much of an issue with (mainly) TTL and NMOS ICs though.

LOL. I was thinking the exact same thing :)

Steve Job was passionate for technology not just because it provide fame for him but also to fulfill a dream of what computer he wanted.

@@blugaledoh2669 who said anything about steve jobs.

@@xdonvito When you said the front man, I thought you meant Jobs. I supposed I extrapolate too much.

There's no hope

I don't know any greats that desire fame or fortune. Those who do are not great they just look for some one who is and ride them to the top.

What about ISIS? Isn't that all yours role model 😂

A nod to Margaret Hamilton, Software Engineer!

Fun Fact : when he was in primary school he took an IQ test and his score was 200+ at such a young age .

the mark of a TRUE genius.

+Shinigami Lee So why did you meet him?

***** So how good are you at programming?

Emir Tulumcu Why do you ask?

***** I'm curious. I like programming.

actually his partner also fucked him over many occasions. read up on more financial dealings.

Jobs was a car salesman.

Woz is famous and wealthy.

Liam H Rogen did nice potray Wozinak in that movie.

Woz has 9 billion in networth m8,research before type...

This comment is so underrated!

Yeah, they approached him asking for help with that. Problem is, they offered him fame and fortune in return. So he refused

they probably just deliberately omitted it to sell more of their wireless headphones tbh

@@TwenOalley You'd be right, and therein lies the fundamental difference between the two Steves. Woz would put the standard jack in because it benefited everyone and made logical sense. Jobs changes it to a proprietary connection, charges extra for the headphones to connect to it, charges 3rd party manufacturer's up the wazoo for rights to make devices to connect to it, and sues the fuck out of anyone who dared to open the device & reverse engineer the connector to get it back the way it should have been. I'm glad Jobs decided to treat his cancer "holistically" like a dumb ass so by the time he realized he was an idiot it was too late. Now he eats dirt for eternity. Fuck you Jobs!

One less hole to drill

In a lot of ways you really need both types to take off like Apple did. The really technically-inclined people often aren't the best at marketing. Woz needed that somewhat psychopathic personality in Jobs to really slam it home.

If you read his autobiography, which I recommend, he's not exactly someone I'd call humble (big fan of him though).

LOTS of great ideas fizzle out before they become mainstream. A great idea in this age requires resources, connections, money, and yes even luck and timing. Both Steves were required to bring all the ingredients together for this 'Apple Pie'.

As a computer programmer, I don't want fame. I would be happy to have a talking head take the fame for my work, as long as I can keep the credit.

@@quailman he doesn't look humble even in this video. Not that it's a weakness

If jobs hadn't made it a business it probably would have remained a pet project.

History is written by the victors, in blood...

@@lusarshameli7057 Apple needed a someone like Jobs, but a person that sells someone else's ideas are a dime a dozen, the ones that create are rare.

@@Seven_Leaf Steve Job's business skills are the number one in the world, top notch, he is the #1 business person of all time. He turned a failing company (Apple in the 1990s) into the most successful company in the world and introduced technology that changed the world completely. He also founded NeXT Computer and Pixar, both of which were successful companies in their own right, and Pixar created Toy Story, Monsters Inc, The Incredibles, Finding Nemo, etc, and sold to Disney for billions. If you read the founding Pixar book, Steve Jobs was on top of that company the whole time too, it is so incredible the work he did.

for money and aftersales reasons

@@gabyu I've seen in other videos that he did that because he knew their customers wanted that, including himself. You can make money with modularity or with how Apple does it nowadays.

@MR TRUTH Yourself is a satanist

Want to buy a dongle for your dongle, to go with your dongle. Its all extra though.

Geek vs psychopath.

Thanks! I heard "orchard", and couldn't make sense of it

@@DavidG2P the Apple orchard?

"...be at the bottom of the org chart, being an engineer." but have the Apple stock. Priceless! (actually, mostly priced.)

I'm doing a PhD right now I'm computer science, and I can't stress enough how much I agree with this.

Well, he's wealthy af, so why not. He owns Apple shares and is on their payroll still.

+Ulises Calvo Because he's not a salesman or businessman. He also not a psychotic, overambitious mega-ego with adoption issues and a love for adulation. Both men made tech history, only one is an interesting story. Xerox PARC was crammed full of geniuses like Wozniak. Ever heard of any of them? The world knows Woz becasue of Jobs.

+Ulises Calvo This guy makes himself more than he is. He is not Dennis Ritchie, Henry Edward Roberts (inventor of Personal Computer... way before Wozniak), Howard Aiken and Grace Hopper. Both Steves had a tremendous impact on Wall Street, but not computing.

+cabrioleur The Woz floppy controller is considered by a lot of hardware engineers to be one of the best pieces of engineering of all time. The whole thing was pretty great, actually.

Joseph Shaul I believe that you mean Alan Shugart's floppy. Woz's modification was just that, a simple modification of the Shugart's floppy.

+NuggetOfBlueGold Isn't Woz teaching computer science at University?

You should hear him talk about pranking people!

He is nothing.

@@crisgriffin3042 this steve is a maker the other was a taker.

And alive

I think the same

i think this steve is cooler than minecraft steve

Or is he just that serious and nerdy engineer type, but with more luck than most people? (I like him though, so don't get me wrong.)

@@herrfriberger5 Why can't be be both?

@@GamingBlake2002 Sure!

It's really sad that that is not everyone's mantra on this planet. Can you imagine what it would be like if everyone took pride in their work?

@@TheWitchOvAgnesi It would be like before the industrial revolution, i.e. like the 1700s. I'm not saying that's entirely a bad thing, but that is what it would be like.

You will after his passing. It's always like that with artists.

A trillion-dollar tech company that focuses on thin laptops

@@willjones3478 and sells all our data and privacy

@Light Myst was. Now its all about money . Not quality

@Light Myst sounds about right

...and buys a BIG wristwatch instead

+Paul Potter Woz is genius...Jobs is a Pardigm Shifter. Ensemble those two elements together and you get a winner algorithm

YSoSrs? Nop...revolution happen when technology become accessible to the consumer. The invention is the starting point, but making it mainstream will ask you more than the marketing guy. You need a paradigm shifter...you need a Steve Jobs. Unfortunately, most people are novice in industrial organization and will claim that Jobs is just the marketing guy. Right now there is thousand of great inventions ready to change the every day life...most of them will fail.

+YSoSrs? If you were alive back then, you would of seen the reverse was true. The color IIgs with its superior hardware was a piece of crap next to the little closed Macintosh with its monochrome screen. It sounds counter intuitive, but it was true, because it was a paradigm shift. Mac OS was miles ahead of Apple ][ dos. The Apple ][ was stuck in the past while the Mac was a leap into the future. And its little mono screen was superior to the big fuzzy color tv screen, because its pixels were perfectly square, sharp, crisp and clean, compared to the tri-rectangular fuzzy pixel of a ][gs monitor. Back then I worked in a Software store and pirated the whole store... and had a Mac back at home. The only thing we did on the store ][gs was play Tetris and Hellcats over the Pacific. On the Mac you could do lasar desk top publishing... on the ][gs maybe a housewife could print out a shitty certificate in Certificate Maker.

Everyone is praising Steve Jobs yet he was more of the salesman. I've always thought most of the admiration should go to him.

funny that you failed to address anything he said.

You can see it too, he's not just putting the boards back in the case and typing out some code he memorised before the video to create some B-roll for the cameras. He's actually having fun, lost in the moment :)

His children might die hungry, so the grass is always greener, kid.

They will feign admiration while completely ignoring everything he stood for. Happens in most big companies after some time.

RetrOhm Steve Wozniak built this great computer with weeks and weeks of design. now we have no headphone jacks

Yes, all the 'when jobs was here'

Josh Mar well you have to admit, they have massively stagnated since Jobs died.

+Josh Mar Jobs was a great leader, advertiser and generally a good bussinesman, meanwhile Wozniak was an engineer and programmer

Because he is the real deal. He did it because he loved it. The man never worked a day in his life.

Wozniak is an example of what a passion and love for something can get you. Jobs is an example of what greed can get you.

Jobs was ultimately unnecessary because most of what he did was reiterate what people wanted.

@@kirbstomp8041 Jobs make stuff better

@@jgaint7912 I equally respect Steve Jobs

I agree. It’s fun to be building stuff, and not be stuck managing teams or other business matters.

For sure. The only person I want to be in charge of is me. I've turned down a "promotion" many times as I did not wish to engage in adult day care.

Agreed, that stood out to me too. I didn't become an engineer so I could be a manager. I became an engineer...to engineer. To some people that's an odd concept.

Do you realize this is the guy who put on the US Festival. Twice.

+Cristi Neagu "The kind of person who doesn't say "Well... I could probably make this a little bit more efficient, but i'll save it for the next evolution" That's exactly what Steve Jobs would have said, and what Apple is like now.

Childlike excitement can move mountains.

True passion I reckon.

Jobs was the Dick of Apple but Wozniak was the balls

@@blackpanter2092 Jobs was the eggs but Woz was the sperm.

Woz's name survived in the floppy disk controllers for the Apple II: WOZ machine and IWM for Integrated Woz machine.

Black Panter wtf lol

The brain and heart I'd say

It is because of a management culture where the top manager pretend that he is doing all important inventions and decisions. And sadly journalists eat that BS.

This is actually the opposite. Everyone understand why WOZ is good, because programming is complex right...but no one really get it why Jobs is so important. They will say, Woz is the genius, Jobs is just the salesman, but the point is, you need to be a genius to sell a genius product...

A genius product need a genius marketer. If not, it will simply be another great idea that didn't work.

People don't always recognize genius, and sometimes they recognize it, but aren't willing to take a chance on funding it. It takes a certain type of person to push new ideas, and that's what Jobs did. I'm not saying he was a good person, or that he could have done it alone, but he's had a HUGE impact on the world we live in, even without engineering chops. I've always been a huge fan of Woz (I grew up in the Bay Area where they were basically heroes), but Jobs was important too, even if he was a dick.

@@michaelpatnaude Not exactly

Not at all.

😂😂🙏

except he was most likely doing something productive...

@@natenorrish The horrible thing about the internet is it allows you to trick yourself into thinking its productive watching these kinds of videos when its not :(

How? He actually does something productive an meaningful

Don't feel bad I do the same thing. KZfaq is addicting

It seems so simple now: attach a typewriter keyboard to a box and let people use it. Woz was a brilliant SOB, that's for sure.

It’s why he’s called The Wizard of Woz.

There will come a time (is almost here now) when the late 70s, early 80s will become a mythological time per the early microcomputer revolution. Woz will always have his legendary edifice in that mythos

Gerald Ballesteros ❤️

That is when I had to google for any discussion on Woz having a hint on Asberger :)

That’s funny🤓I was involved in electronics, product and board design many years ago (early 90’s) and when I would layout the board or even first draw the schematics I always thought of it as a functional piece of art too. Maximizing the function AND the aesthetics. I would easily work 40-50 hours in 3 days on a design because I was enjoying it so much I would lose track of the time. I just figured I was weird. Maybe I am lol

When I write a program try to follow the Woz's principles because it helps for example, I can feel the program is doing and running into a wall.. Thank you Steve.

The nice thing about wealth, having the time to do what you really want.

Louis Rossmann has actually praised Apple in the past. Louis isn't just an Apple brand hater. He gives credit when credit is due, and criticism when it's needed.

@@Johnnyboycurtis Yes, but it's mostly criticism....because their products are garbage, and their business practices are atrocious.

numberyellow Apple is doing better than before. You guys focus on specs and hate, while Apple is swimming in their millions. No tech company is even close

@@chydi10 apple is doing better than before according to you, because of imbeciles who don't realize how inferior apple is!

And that 1000dollar monitor stand.

Hrothgar Totally right!!!

That's the best way I've ever heard it put.

Hrothgar Well said !.. I like it.

+Hrothgar Steve never back-stabbed Woz and left him to die alone and broke like Edison did to Tesla.

+sexyloser Well no, he died first, of course. But, he did take the credit, and most of the money, for work that was the creative impetus of others. He was a businessman, who's skill was at effectively marketing and selling technology that he did not create. Jobs was a salesman, while Wozniak was a creator.

What did he say?

@@browsertab I'm betting it was something like "thanks"

@@jasnterry1313 Would have been cool if he said "Security! A commoner is attempting to communicate with me. Have him strung up and quartered at once."

@@browsertab yes, but a simple "go away peasant" would suffice

I met him briefly the first time I went to Comdex back in '82. Seemed like a very humble down-to-earth guy, especially in contrast to all the uptight grey suits running around the convention floor at the time.

And the complement of 'nice, sincere and genuine' is 'nasty, insincere and fake'. Wozniak was, and is, by far the better of the two, but unfortunately you need people like Jobs as well. I am sure that Wozniak would never have wanted to produce such a money-making greedy company that Apple has become.

He does what he does 'cause he loves it. That's why he should be remembered more than Jobs.

no, jobs was. just like how gates brought the windows OS from a random programmer for 50k (which he sold for millions), without a leader woz would have been the same.

SAW9 how has I?

Woz in all his glory was simply a violinist in the symphony Steve led. Of course he played a huge role but it can not be understated Steve's influence in being able to push his engineers and influence people around him.

Wozniak and Jobs/ Tesla and Edison

+Scott Johnson Where would Woz be without Steve?

No telling. Woz is lucky Steve didn't steal the whole enchilada from him, like Mark Cuban did the technology for Broadcast.com. One things for sure : there's be no Apple computer without Woz. Period. Steve couldn't make a computer. Other people made the Mac, with Apple II revenue supporting the losing Mac division. Hey, I have three Macs, so I'm not an apple hater, but please.... Jobs was a marketer, and clever re-inventor. I mean cell phones and mp3's were around for 10 years, but he had the vision to put them together. but he's not Leonardo Davinchi. He's Mark Cubanish. He did'n't really succeed until Pixar, when he became a better manager according to insiders. Mac was a failure, Next was a failure.

I believe they're both equally as important to the company. There would be no Apple without Steve Jobs and there would be no Apple without Wozniak. Wozniak made the computer but without Jobs, Woz wouldn't know how to make it user friendly. Just like how you said Jobs didn't really succeed until Pixar (which I don't really agree with because making a billion-dollar company at the age of 30 is a success in my book; nonetheless I see your point), Woz left Apple in 1985 and then in the 2000s tried to start various other companies which failed. To summarise, both have pros and cons, and I think both played a very important role in Apple. In the end, in my opinion, they're both wouldn't be where they are now without the other.

Let me clarify that. Steve's falures began with Lisa, then Macintosh, then Next. He finally succeeded with Pixar. The First Apple II was not user friendly in today's sense of the word. The Macintosh was, but it was a failure financially. The apple II revenue supported development of the Mac, and Steve's idea was to kill the Apple II and focus the entire company on Macintosh. In that sense, it was a failure. And that's what forced him out.

+Scott Johnson He'd probably be a successful used car salesman. Steve Wozniak is the true creator of Apple and i have the utmost respect for him, Steve Jobs was nothing but a salesman and a greedy selfish one at that!

Very true. Atleast a billion for starting a tech revolution.

@@viveksharma9564 *trillion

No one cares.

Accept you, apparently. Thanks for taking your time to tell me how do you dont care enough to take your time. Let me guess Apple fan boy?

TheDestruct0r Except

Dude Dudeler i love a human named no one, he cares very much

Holding lead solder with your mouth/lips can be hazardous to ones health

@@KoopaMedia64 You may be right.

SEEMS like a smart...? no he IS smart................ clearly.

He even says himself that he isn't a good leader and he doesn't want to be one either so it wouldn't be too good. He could work as a programmer or maybe CEO though.

+Jonathan Saunders Wozniak's true talent was that he was obsessive and the effort that he put in showed in his technical designs but that's not what drives Apple today. It's about style and branding now and Wozniak just wouldn't be right for that. Yes, Apple products might be more bug free if they were as technically obsessive as Wozniak was but that would only mean the new products wouldn't get to market in a timely fashion. Remember that his last project at Apple was a Universal TV remote control years before people even knew what a Universal remote was, problem is that what he came up with was so technically difficult to program that it was essentially unusable, of course he also never finished the design to his satisfaction because he realized that he didn't need to be so obsessive over his work anymore, that he could just enjoy the millions that he had instead, so he just dropped it all.

+John Wang I'm sure Wozniak would've been an android guy

John Wang is this information accurate???

@@johnwang9914 apple does need to put their products up in a timely fashion no ones buying their products its getting to expensive and all for the wrong reasons

Steve Jobs was a genius too, and he proved he could achieve a lot even without Wozniak. Jobs was a huge asshole, though, no arguing that...

Michael Steffensen woz is a dick. look up what he said about apples co founder wayne.

Last time I checked, Woz is not around anymore when Apple had all these i-Pod, i-Phone, and all the i-stuffs that was introduced to the market when Steve Jobs re-established himself as the head of Apple

@@MozTheBoz True but Woz's genius gave Steve the start he needed. Without that start, it's hard to get anywhere.

@@MozTheBoz Steve Jobs was involved in exactly 0% of the real design work of any of those products. Jobs was a salesman, that's it. His status as a "Tech Visionary" was a finely crafted PR campaign.

The Altair came out two years before Apple was founded.

I remember that computer geek on "The Simpsons" proudly proclaiming that 50 years from now computers will twice as fast and four times bigger.

In informatics, big is little.

The Apple ][ was about as big as it gets. It was one of the main reasons that IBM got into the personal computer market (another long story). It was also the computer of choice for many schools, introducing a generation to computers. So it may have been small, but it had a big impact.

@@bobblum5973 The first computer I ever used was an Apple IIe. Learned how to program in command line BASIC on it. Great high school days.

@@stephenwright8824 I still have my Apple ][+, 48K RAM, still only 40 column uppercase only! Never got the language card for 64k or more, or an 80-column card, but I still programmed the heck out of it. Learned a lot about computers and hardware that carried me on to this day.

Michael McNamara Without Steve there would also not be Apple. It goes hand in hand: great product design and someone who can sell it.

@@chnolte False. There is 100% no chance of apple without Woz, he is the sole maker of the first couple of apple machines, jobs had nothing to do with making them. Without jobs Woz might have taken LONGER to get his machines made public, but there is nothing to have stopped him from doing so, but without Woz jobs would have a whole buncha charisma and no machines to sell because he had NO CLUE how to make a computer.

I dear to say that Microsoft would be the same if not for Wozniak

Not bad for two guys who once worked for HP.

@@shawnpitman876 You need to learn more about what actually happened.

yep that is jobs...

Jack kirby / bill finger story