Xtool D1 Pro 20W - Is this the best laser of 2022?
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Күн бұрынXtool has ramped up the competition by adding a 20W diode laser module to their line-up. Not only can this new unit chop through thicker wood, but it engraves like a champ. So is the Xtool D1 Pro the absolute best laser you can buy in 2022? It just might be, and may even make it onto the radar of some entry-level CO2 laser buyers too.
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@Metal_Vistas Жыл бұрын
In other videos about this laser, the reviewers have commented that the secondary height adjustment was more for cutting, so you could focus to the center of the material instead of the surface. Your explanation adds a new dimension to this, and I found it very useful. Thank you.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Yes you could use it for this too, or anything else where you need to move the focus around to help make a better job
@robc4277 Жыл бұрын
Another great video Steve! We received our Pro two weeks ago. Nice to see a detailed review.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Thanks. It is a fine laser.
@marx769 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review!
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Hope it helps if you are making a choice
@olafb.2929 Жыл бұрын
A good review, thanks. I helps in deciding buying a new one
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 Жыл бұрын
That stiff hose is very useful for the portable enclosure setup, it works great & stays out of the way on its own.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
This is no doubt true. I typically just drop my diode laser onto the workspace of my CO2 laser so I don’t usually use a separate enclosure
@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything indeed, I remember you mentioning that in previous vids. I think their portable enclosure is probably the only place the stiffness of that tube is a benefit lol. Keep up the great work Steve, love your lightburn tutorials.
@CreatureCribs Жыл бұрын
Atomstack family here 😉, also atomstack was the first to introduce the true 20watt diode laser also the x20, a20 pros come with air assist in the kit so you don’t have to be mugged off by xtool for buying add ons 😅
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
While I don't own an Atomstack - except for the rebranded Pergear Laserstom S10, I do like Atomstack when it comes to features for the money. By all accounts their 20W laser is a very solid performer, so who knows? Maybe one will pop up on the channel at some point.😉
@zakspop Жыл бұрын
Atomstack here too. Better options for the money. I got the X20 Pro with air assist for $999. With the money I saved I was able to buy a rotary tool and Lightburn with money left over.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
@@zakspop Nice! There is so much variation in price in the market and honestly not a lot of real feature differences between most lasers. So you really need to shop around, especially is prices is one of your key requirements.
@CreatureCribs Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything I also have the p9 m50 and she is extremely portable and is an absolute machine 💪
@PhilippinesDarrellCheeks Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I am a Atomstack guy, may have to give the Xtool a try.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Well the Atomstack family are fine lasers too, though for a business I would lean toward the Xtool
@TheLouisianaHobbyGuy Жыл бұрын
*Great review as usual Steve!* The only real problem I have with xTool is there frequency on the lasers are just a few nm off the standard 455. And since these are engraving machines, you loose the 5-10%, and even sometimes higher low power engraving range, which negatively affects grayscale and dither, the two most popular image modes. If I can't dial in the 5-100% sweet spot for my photo engraving, it's a no-go for me. There is no low power threshold on the 455nm wavelength. It outputs from 1-100%, unlike the Co2. BTW, YT keeps unsubscribing me! I think I have subscribed 5x now! 😒
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree on the power issues. The laser doesn’t really turn on until the power hits about 12%. The OLM3 is the laser for grayscale engraving
@clinicaqorpomarketing505 Жыл бұрын
purchased soft soft was because there are so many resources and remake templates out there to help understand how people have
@laurenelizabeth4723 Жыл бұрын
Love you're videos! Did you see their new infrared laser? It can do metals like gold, silver, stainless steel, aluminum and some others!
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Yes, this looks like an awesome addition. I wonder how long it will be before every company has one of these.
@destroyingangel9838 Жыл бұрын
After looking around I settled on the Atomstack X7 Pro. 40w 2x5 10 watt laser with all the same bells and whistles and priced about the same and some good options like air assist and rotary attachment. Software: Lightburn not GRBL, Lightburn well worth the price. Electronics enclosed, limit switches, emergency stop button.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
This is a fine choice that should do almost anything you would ever want. And Lightburn would definitely be my choice for all lasers.
@mickeymallette2663 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything The AtomStack looks intriguing. If I am most concerned with the engraving as opposed to cutting, are you touting the LaserMaster 3 over others?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
@@mickeymallette2663 Honestly most diode lasers will do a great job engraving and AtomStack has a great track record. Where the OLM3 stands out is specifically engraving grayscale photos. If that's not a common use case for you then I wouldn't worry at all with almost any diode laser for engraving.
@benlawrence7090 Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, very informative video. Did you try to do any cuts in acrylic? Wondering if the increased power improved cut quality in this application . Thx!
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
I did and as long as your acrylic is darker colored the 20w is a welcome addition. I also tried cutting fairly thick leather and it was easy without charring everything - stills smells terrible though 😁
@home-lab Жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, thanks again for the review. I really love this video. Just a hopefully quick question about using the laser for cutting. When using a CO2 laser there is a general consensus to limit the power to 80% to extend the lifespan of the tube. Should diode lasers also be limited to 80% or any other value?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Well I won't say that 80% power will extend the life of your tube, but there are times when you need that power. Most lasers are calibrated so that 100% in something lie Lightburn is actually a safe power level. On my DIY laser I tuned it so that a 100% power selection is actually about 90% In diode laser I assume reducing power will extend the life of the laser module, though I suppose it depends how close the manufacturer gets to the actual limits.
@schmots Жыл бұрын
great videos. I am trying to decide between the d1 pro 20 watt and the Laser Master 3. This video makes it sound like if money isn't an issue go with the D1 pro 20W, do I interpret that correctly? Also on a separate note as someone who makes presentations to large technical audiences for a living, your presentation and speaking is great. Not a single 'umm', really good delivery, just a great job.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Both are great choices. If you do a lot of cutting then the D1Pro 20W is an obvious choice. If you want to do grayscale engraving with very fine detail then the OLM3 would be the one I choose. But you're really choosing between the two market leaders right now, so I don't think you can lose either way. I laugh at your speaking comment. First lots of "umms" get snipped during editing, but I have done many years of conference and executive presentations and I like to think I've learned a couple of things over the years 😀
@schmots Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything Your speaking skills show. If your custom goods don't make you enough I bet you could teach classes on professional speaking.
@rightpassage Жыл бұрын
Other videos show that the air assist with air control makes all the difference with cutting & smoke-free. As for the exposed controller. I'm thinking of putting tape, foam, and even some cotton, or making a box to help? 🤔
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Air assist will definitely help with cutting and any laser without air assist these days is a bit of a dinosaur. On the exposed controller, I have considered 3D printing something that fits over the back of the controller
@rightpassage Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything Nice! Please inform us if you do make something. I will be the first customer! I have no 3D printer. Thought to get one until I got turned on with laser. Will order 2- in-1 tomorrow!!! 😁
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
@@rightpassage Well it should be pretty simple so I probably wouldn't charge for it anyway.
@PastaDNA Жыл бұрын
Steve, new to the hobby and I have the D1 Pro. Just subscribed and just watched the "Borax" video. I noticed you use Retina Engrave 3. How much is that app? I went to their website to find out but no information was available. Thanks for sharing your knowledge - I'll be watching.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Retina Engrave 3 is built into every FSL laser. You can’t buy it
@puskaraparna3084 Жыл бұрын
There's a video on In The setup's channel about free DAWs, alternatives, and even if you can't afford it you can "get" it. Not quite an
@mkkd85 Жыл бұрын
For a diode laser that costs more than 1000 USD, I would expect it to be perfect in every aspect. Seems like they were eager to push the new 20W module out on the market, without spending too much time on the machine itself and software.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
To be clear, this has been an ongoing restriction in Xtool lasers since they started supporting Lightburn - not just the 20W laser. They would no doubt aguing, somewhat successfully, that their laser is perfect, and indeed if you use their free software it would. But if you are running an engraving business or using their lasers professionally, you will want to run Lightburn. If you aren't creating anything that needs hyper-accuracy, you won't care, since the laser is accurate to within a millimetre by default, but if you want sub-millimetre accuracy then you need to do a few tricks to work around it.
@adamowsley Жыл бұрын
Nice review. I'm wondering about your 1/4" maple cut. I could be wrong, but it looks like the maple you cut is soft maple. Have you tried cutting 1/4" of hard maple, and how many passes did that take (with air assist)?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
This particular piece of maple is hardware store maple, so it is sure to be the cheapest wood around. However I use it because it is pretty hard. I usually do 4 tests ranging from 1 to 4 passes.
@queencityteashop Жыл бұрын
Hi, I want to engrave initials or names on jewelry. I also want to do cylindrical items like cups. Images would be nice on either as well. Which machine should I get?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
If you want to engrave gold or silver then you’re going to be a fiber laser or an IR diode laser. Cups will generally require a rotary and a blue diode laser. The good news is that xTool has announced the new F1 laser which will do both jobs. I will have one of these to review early in the new year.
@DavZell Жыл бұрын
Question: on your speed/power test board, the 20% columns have pretty different results where the speeds overlap (esp 7K and up). I'm new to this, so... I would anticipate differences when the materials are non-uniform, but that board should be pretty uniform. Why would there be such differences in performance? If this variability is consistent, how do you cope with it? Thanks.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
I noticed this too. I will verify my Lightburn project, but I have seen some strange behaviors with the most recent version of Lightburn. Their own power vs speed tool only works half the time. However, there are power thresholds and lots of laser modules won't fire until 10-12%. I'd have to do a bit testing to see if speed impacts this.
@DavZell Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything Thanks for commenting back. I'm glad I wasn't misunderstanding.
@willisadkins8874 Жыл бұрын
Steve, I appreciate your videos. They are extremely helpful. I do have a quick question. I have the xtool 10 watt and I also have an 80 watt omtech. I can cut 1/4 inch poplar with no problem on my xtool running at 100 percent power at 2mm/second. Why does the 80 watt co2 struggle to do the same cut at same speed at 65 percent power of 80 watts? The 80 watt is new, aligned and running an industrial chiller. It just seems strange to me that a 10 watt diode is giving an 80 watt co2 any competition at all. By the way, both are running air assist as well. Thanks in advance for your advice.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
It’s always a good question and it has to do with laser wavelength and energy density. Depending on the material, the laser energy may be absorbed or reflected. Diode laser wavelength is typically around 455nm, which wood fibre absorbs especially well - better than co2 laser light. By contrast your omtech laser emits light at 10600nm and doesn’t absorb as well in the wood fibre, but is absorbed much better by denser material like acrylic - even when it’s transparent. Now energy density is the next factor and this has to do in part with the beam size. Diode lasers tend to have much smaller beam sizes - typically 0.1 square millimeters or less. CO2 laser beams at the material can be twice that size or even more. So if you assume that each laser is emitting 1W, the diode laser has at least 4 times the energy hitting any given spot under its beam when compared to your co2. This is why a 20W diode laser appears to do a similar job as an 80W co2 laser on some materials. However CO2 lasers tend to cut faster than Diode lasers due to lots of extra power heating up a larger area on the material. This is why there is no ideal laser. If you want to cut acrylic and engrave stainless steel you may want both types of lasers unless you are willing to do extra work on the material. This would be a great place for Russ Sadler to chime in with a less simplistic view.😁
@willisadkins8874 Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! This really helps. I was worried something was wrong with my co2.
@prepped8551 Жыл бұрын
What speed do you run your cut test at? Great channel!
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
For each square I use 200mm/min speed with a maximum power of 100% (minimum 50%). For most lasers this wouldn't be a speed/power combination the cuts through a 1/4" maple board with or or 2 passes.
@danprice9666 Жыл бұрын
I watched one of your videos and it was obvious the Oture did a better job and yet you are quite high on Xtool. Which do you recommend?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
In my use case for regular work I do more cutting and non-photo image engraving, and for this the D1 is excellent. However if I was doing photo engraving on a regular basis, I would choose the Ortur Laser Master 3 every time. It's always about using the right tool for the job.
@Jevpen787 Жыл бұрын
Whats the difference between this and the "xtool d1 pro 2-in-1 kit "? Confused about the laser difference.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
The 2-in-1 kits include for a blue diode laser and an IR laser module. The normal laser packages are the blue laser only, so you can cut wood or other things and engraving most materials including stainless steel. The IR module is primarily for engraving other metals.
@WORLDOFBLINGBLING Жыл бұрын
Hello there Steve! I want to start a small business that I can do almost all the good stuff you do! would you suggest me Xtool D1 pro 40w or Omtech polar 50w?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
This question gets asked a lot and I do have a video planned. It doesn’t have an easy answer. If you want to work with clear acrylic to make something like signs then you need a CO2. But diode lasers are far cheaper to get started
@philoara5647 Жыл бұрын
Merci pour toutes vos vidéos. Pensez vous que la xtool d1 pro puisse remplacer pour la découpe de 15 mm d’une CNC en terme de rapidité / passes?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
A CNC will generally always be faster than a laser and will produce cleaner cuts, especially on thicker material Une CNC sera généralement toujours plus rapide qu'un laser et produira des coupes plus nettes, en particulier sur des matériaux plus épais
@philoara5647 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverythingThank you very much for your feedback !
@chucklenz9011 Жыл бұрын
The question is? On lower power is it dropping laser heads or powering down all 4.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
It’s a good question and I’m sure only xTool knows the answer to this. I suspect though the it’s firing all four lasers
@prepped8551 Жыл бұрын
Sorry another question... what mm size is that rubber hose? Defo want to get one, the one that came with my D1 Pro is so stiff.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
If you already have the stiff hose you can just measure it. It's probably something like 12mmOD, but if you can't find it ket me know and I'll measure mine when I get back to my workshop
@tobymaples7646 Жыл бұрын
Hey Steve, what would you recommend between this and the laser master 3? I’m not super worried about cutting capacity as much as I am fine detail in the engraving on wood. Thank you!
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Right now I don't think you can beat the OLM3 for fine engraving. You get laser power from 1% to 100% and if you want to do true grayscale engraving, it's ideal.
@tobymaples7646 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything thank you for the reply. It’s cool that the cheaper option is the best route for once lol. Now I can afford to get a few upgrades with it.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
@@tobymaples7646It's not specifically about price, but rather technology. The D1 laser modules just don't turn on until you have about 10-12% power when the Ortur module starts firing in the low single digits of power. This just gives much more power range for grayscale engraving. Note that you can still get close to the same quality with a D1 module by changing the engraving algorithm to something like Stuki or Jarvis, and playing with the power settings a bit, but the OLM3 just makes all of this trivial - and of course grayscale rocks!
@jasonhurdlow6607 Жыл бұрын
How does it cut white foam board (ala dollar store)? I'd like to see this be a material you normally test when doing reviews.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
I assume you are referring to Foamcore. Any laser should be able to cut that like butter, though maybe a laser is overly aggressive and melts the foam in the middle. I’ll pick some up
@jasonhurdlow6607 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything Adam's ReadyBoard, sold at Dollar Tree. Apparently being white gives many lasers issues due to reflectivity. Yes, you will get some kerf. Thanks for giving it a try!
@ericmichalowski9582 Жыл бұрын
I just installed the infrared module I'm having difficulty upgrading my firmware but the question is does it need to be upgraded and second of all does anybody have any of the material settings for the infrared module
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Happy to hear that you are halfway to a fibre laser. Hopefully Xtool asks me to review one of these since they are so much better at metal engraving. I will caution anyone using these to ensure you are always wearing the provided safety goggles. 1065nm light has a nasty habit of focusing exactly on the back of your eye. Blue diode lasers can cause eye damage, but infrared lasers can cause blindness. I will be interested in seeing what sort of cautions Xtool provides but this unquestionably one of the coolest innovations of 2022
@kristijanmedved6066 Жыл бұрын
How does it compare to mr carve m3 i heard it can engrave metal too i am just starting so what is the best entry level laser?
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Most diode lasers can mark things like stainless steel and titanium without any surface treatment and the D1Pro does an excellent job in this regard. 20W diode lasers like the D1Pro can even cut thin stainless steel sheet
@kristijanmedved6066 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything have you tried mr carve m3
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
@@kristijanmedved6066 I haven't but it looks interesting.
@billiniowa9123 Жыл бұрын
Lol, ive had a 20 watt laser for months
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Ha I’ve had this one sitting in a box in my workshop for months too. 😁
@ABWOrturLaser Жыл бұрын
That rubbish mesh sleeve is too big and bulky, stiffens the wiring loom, made worse by have two looms zip tied one on too of t’other. The zip tie head can end up being wacked by the AA elbow connector, the cable can bunch up and prevent the X motor getting to the soft endswitch. It amateurish ill thought out wiring. ourtur LM 3 may have cloned and modified the D1, but they got the cable handling sorted out. xTool will no doubt have seen it and are working on a rethink of their failed efforts.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
Agreed. They could definitely have handle the wiring a bit better
@spectralcloak31 Жыл бұрын
Atomstack is better and cheaper. The 20w version is the best 20w of 2022
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
I’ve been talking to Atomstack recently, so I’ll probably have a 20W to test soon. What sets the D1 Pro apart is the use of steel wheels, which will never develop flat spots and other more industrial components. They are expensive, but there is definitely a reason.
@spectralcloak31 Жыл бұрын
@@SteveMakesEverything that issue sounds more like a belt issue rather than a wheel issue. The plastic wheels ride on the rubber belt with the atomstack which I could see having the issue you describe. Although I would rather not do it the rubber tracks are replaceable. The selling point to me is the atomstack comes with air assist for alot less than buying it separately with the D1.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
@@spectralcloak31 The plastic wheels run in an aluminum extrusion and they can easily develop flat spots. If you are just comparing prices, then absolutely the AtomStack will win hands down. Make no mistake, they do make fine lasers for the money and are a great choice as a home/hobby laser. However, if you are looking for a heavy-duty laser to use in a small business, then I'd pay the extra money and buy the Xtool D1 Pro. I have a stack of lasers in my shop, including a rebranded AtomStack and for my business, the D1 Pro is the laser I use for anything I can do with a diode laser.
@spectralcloak31 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully atomstack sells replacement and even metal upgrades for those particular parts if that does happen.
@SteveMakesEverything Жыл бұрын
@@spectralcloak31 Most parts are off-the-shelf items. Certainly wheels are standard and can be replaced or even upgraded with Teflon wheels or
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