My dad switches phones every year

Agreed, it's just ridiculous the number of people who get the new iPhone every year, only to barely utilize its features.

@@Soundwaivyour dad helps pollute the home quicker. The home is planet earth. He ain’t doing things good, you should educate your father on the effects of consumerism in society. Such as products in land fills, going into the ground and ocean water etc.

@@TheOnlyName I don’t like it either that he does that, it’s literally pointless but I can’t tell him otherwise

@@truehappiness4U he knows, but he wont listen whenever I tried to tell him buying a new phone every year is pointless. He’s honestly too much of an Apple superfan. He has an Apple Watch, an iPhone 15 Pro, an iPad (10th generation), an M1 MacBook Pro, AirPods Pro (2nd generation), and an Apple Pencil…

Well, they need to invent an interesting story so sheeple will tune in. 😂

yep, I have a smartphone I bought in 2022 and it still perfectly meets my needs. Althought my carrier sends me messages weekly telling me I'm eligible for the latest smartphone for free (yeah, free means I get hooked for 3 years with them while they pay me back for my old phone every month)

I still have my iPhone 11 Pro and I don’t see any reason to upgrade to the 15, sure it’s got the new Dynamic Island and usb type c along with a better camera but is forking out 1000 or more dollars really worth it when my current iPhone works just fine?

​@@adilusaor it just means they give you a garbage level phone for, "Free".

​​@@slapshotjack9806it's a good thing that I hate iOS. I have a phone that I paid $360 for last year. It's as fast as current phones, I have 16 GB of RAM and 1TB of storage. An iPhone will never have specs like that for such a low price.

I think Apple should switch to an every 2 year cycle for their phones. 1 year isn’t enough time for meaningful upgrade.

7 yr no change phone here

@@portman8909totally agree!

Yepp I have my iPhone 7 for almost 2 years now

I wish I had a phone that could last and still be good for 10 years

That’s it. People confuse the term Digital Minimalism by thinking it’s best to have a flip phone and use a paper map and that’s not the way it works. It’s about having control on how you use it.

The device IS the problem if you're forced to upgrade it constantly. My beef is how you now 'have' to have a smartphone to get anything done, or verify a payment you make by card, etc. And I am VERY resistant to all my devices being connected via the Cloud. That's putting all our digital devices in one basket, so to speak. And that's dangerous. Somebody hacks into one of them, they have access to your entire digital life ...and very quickly, too. Okay, if that kind of connectivity is important to you, fair enough-get a smartphone with all the bells and whistles, and upgrade it every year, as the company wants you to. But suddenly it's being forced on all of us. And that's not good. I still use my Nokia StupidPhone to phone taxis and keep in touch if I need to, while I'm out. It's a pay as you go, and I sink about £50 a year into it. I know that's not going to be available forever, but until it's not, I'll continue using it. Our smartphone (Samsung Galaxy 12) lives in our piano bench and only gets fired up when a verification code is getting sent to it. And yes, I share it with my husband. We both have very up to date computers ...silicone chip, etc. But they live on our desks at home, and we're really happy with that setup. Not everybody has the same needs ...or the same income ...when it comes to digital life.

@@jannertfol You’re preaching to the choir as I value privacy and autonomy as well. You have to pick and choose your battles, I suppose, and continue making compromises to keep your integrity intact. I abhor that all of my data is on the cloud, but I also am not invested in my photos and videos being compromised as I find myself growing less emotionally attached to those things as time goes on.

Hence why they make apps go obsolete on old devices (the sole reason I had to change an iPhone years ago even tho it was in a very good condition). I also don't like the size of the new phones, I like those smaller ones way more.

Everything is increasing in price

​@@eduardoarmenta9232only in iphones. I can run all the essential apps on old android phones.

Honestly the only upgrade for a new iPhone is the camera. That’s it lol. And it’s so minimal to.

@@eduardoarmenta9232 Exactly. They just began dropping support for some apps on Nougat devices which hits me because my 2 main devices are from 2016. Also, remember when compact phones where cheaper and bigger were pricier? Suddenly, the pricing is the other way around just because people want compact phones more now.

I don’t think it’s doing any damage. It’s supposed to used in moderation. I don’t have any social media accounts, don’t use my 4 year old iPhone for anything other than KZfaq and text messages.

@@FadeHook23 true. In fairness, im not saying the devices themselves are bad but mainly social media’s that are affecting gen z the most, and using devices without social media capabilities definitely helps

​@@FadeHook23Not the phones themselves imo, but the consumer culture normalized by the corporations that make them. A device that costs a grand really shouldn't need an upgrade every 1 or 2 years. It hurts the environment as well, there is just no good reason for it to be the way it is.

The sad truth is, it's likely that people but less phones not because they actually realise it's harmful but because they simply have less money now

It’s kind of amazing how much my phone has made me anti-social, anti-anything really. I get so much entertainment out of my phone that’s it’s actually hard for me to do other stuff. It’s horrible.

In germany most people have contracts and get a new phone every 2 years with those contracts

@@wy2679Germany is the most rich country in Europe so that seems fair that they can afford that. But most Europeans cannot afford a new phone every 2 years

@@Sapphire901 yeah the state is rich because the ppl have to pay one of the highest tax rates in the world. I read an article which stated that german people own as sets on average #15 in europe behind countrys like slovakia & portugal. Mainly because under 50% of the ppl own their home. Countrys like romania & albania the % is over 95% so whos really rich ? Not really the germans. I live in germany, im really poor. My phone turns 4 years old this year. But my point was most germans get a new phone from their cellphone providers if they have a contract for no extra cost or just a little cost every 2 years.

It's very much the case in the UK, you see people queuing up for the latest iPhone.

What do you do with exhausted batteries? Replace?

KZfaq will always be useful for me because of music. Plus KZfaq revanced lets me watch whatever I want with no ads.

@@angelrosas3724 I feel it. I couldn't give up KZfaq tbh. I watch it more than Netflix, Hulu, Max etc.

You can own a smartphone and not be hooked to it with social media. It's a tool. Same way that you can own a knife for butchering or cooking, but it doesn't mean you'll be murdering people with it

I agree

Yes, "convenience". The driver of American society. This all eventually raises people like the ones who called 911 for seeing the night sky during a power outage. Most people nowadays couldn't survive half a day without tech. And then there's social media. First it was instant messaging, now it's the endless entertainment of TikTok, Instagram reels and YT shorts. People ask me why I don't use them. Then I ask them what was the last useful thing they saw on those platforms and that's where they get lost. They don't know because they can't remember anything they watched. It's disgusting.

Mmmmm....vulnerabilities

@@orangeyellow-me1pz Maybe if you own an Android phone

In this case it kind of is that’s why we’re discussing it.

​@@LostMySauceApple devices have a lot of vulnerabilities, they even had one that wasn't discovered until 4 months after a hacker found it. No OS is perfect, even Apple.

​​@@LostMySauceagreed, my iPhone 6s Plus still received patches.

Yeah, I don't get some people. You can get competent smartphones these days for $200 or less brand new. Used, you can get them at $100. Attaching ghetto cameras to your keychain so that you can take pictures? She's just making her life more difficult to prove a point. There are simply too many situations where not having a smart phone just takes too much work. I'm old enough to remember the days where you had to carry a map in your car. Why on earth would I want to go back to that? Just a few days ago, my wife and I were driving her sister to the airport. I dropped them off, took 15 minutes to find parking and had no idea where they were...except for the fact that I used "find my..." to track them down. Why would I go back to the bad 'ol days where I couldn't physically see where someone is quickly?

There are $300 - $400 dumb phones now that limit communication, so people will just upgrade to those.

iphone 11pro still getting updates

Don't use a cell phone provider that restricts you like that. Their's is a horrible oppressive business model.

​@@angryguymwa4G dumb phones are available. Next will be 5G dumb phones that would be even cheaper. HMD could start selling its models to North America after success in Europe.

some people buy a new phone every year only for bragging purpose, to be seen as Rich. not because there are a new functionality that they're excited to use.

@@jensenraylight8011 Same with the Range Rover brigade for the most part, it's all about the status.

I've been using an iPhone 8 Plus since march of 2018, reaching six years of use and it proves your point, a flagship is capable of lasting a long time as a daily driver, even without taking care of the battery for the first 2-3 years due to not knowing how, it's still usable to this day on the original one This is my 3rd smartphone, I got my first one in august of 2015, a low tear Samsung (Galaxy Grand Neo Plus) that lasted a couple of months until it became nearly unusable, then I got a LG K10 in 2016 and for the money it was a beast, but even if I tried it wouldn't have lasted being usable even half of what this one did, I'm pretty convinced that this is the best smartphone I'll ever have in my life

Even buying a new phone every 3/4 years is a waste. you're supposed replace the battery and keep using it. you're only supposed to upgrade when apps stop working.

flag SHIP FLAG SHIP brother in christ no such thing as a pure flagship imo

I upgrade every 2 years because of blackfriday deals that make phones free. Getting a $40 per month plan with the lastest phone every 2 years is worth more than keeping an old phone and needing to replace the battery in year 3 for $100 or more only to use older hardware and after 7 to 8 years, being vulnerable to hackers and security flaws that didnt get updates or apps not working.

That's great! I still use a Galaxy S9 as well! 4 years in April.

idk what phones you have been using but my current phone is already over 5 years old and I haven't needed to replace the battery on it. Although the battery life on it is definitely not as long as it was when I first got it, it's still ok for now but I do anticipate I will likely need to upgrade again within the next year or so. Obviously how often you need to upgrade will vary from person to person depending on your specific needs and the phone you use. But to me changing every 2 years seems excessive and unnecessary when most phones can easily last longer. @@samjam6989

Okay, Pete, you think you're so smart. How is the everyday consumer supposed to keep using older tech when the 3G networks were pulled down? How about when T-Mobile shuts down the last 2G network this April before the total solar eclipse? Pete, 5G is the future, 5G is the way, an antenna on every street corner, monitoring you and your activity and keeping you safe. If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.

replace the battery in 3 years? lol what do you do with your phones lol@@samjam6989

I definitely don't understand most people. Just don't go on social media. Desktop computers are able to get on social media as well. Will people stop using them as well to avoid social media?

@@orangeyellow-me1pz Would be easy if they didn’t you know _intentionally make said apps addicting_ - as long as you merely see the app icon on your home screen the temptation will be there Although with that said I’m not so sure about the simple solution of deleting said apps either, the only reason I can think of is having a feature phone will straight up forbid you from being able to reinstall said social media apps again maybe?

social media is good. It's how you use it. just unfollow those bad influence. There are many groups for businesses, travel and mental health etc

​@@PSy84yep. They key is recognition and connection when it comes to who and how you use them.

@@PSy84i get what you mean, but some social media’s algorithm are just too aggressive for some of us. me personally, i play them strict: only on computers, deactivate cookies, using incognito (if possible), and delete history and cookies every time i finished. it did better results than i avoiding it altogether

Is it smart for an alcoholic to live next door to a bar? Na

This. I realize not all people will be able to resist downloading those apps if they have a smartphone but if you can you get the best of both worlds

Same could be said with buying new phones. You can buy a 2/3 year old iPhone for $200-$300 and it could last you 10 years if you take care of it.

​@@kd_76It's called self discipline. If you can't control yourself near your favourite vices, you need help.

@@_loss_ uhh yeah, goes without saying. called addiction for a reason. great observation buddy 👍

Then you realized you need it to be connected to your job, and all the ego falls away from you as you realize it’s what is required in today’s society.

@@RVPissBoysI was actually a little disappointed to find it. 😂

@@jgboys1”technology bad” boomer mindset

@@ayeitzdjexactly! That 💩 scares 💩 out of me! 😬

@@ayeitzdj "me need tiktok" Gen Alpha mindset

Same, my mom still has a very old Nokia phone from 2006, still in very good condition but the battery has swollen like a pillow and no longer holding any charge anymore (also it's nearly impossible to find a battery replacement for it right now, so my mom bought a new smartphone instead)

I think if person is lonely he will be addicted.

They can do a lot. Security can be a concern though, especially when you are going to be using the internet. But even a 6 year old iPhone is getting security updates, and Linux runs well on old hardware yet still keeps you going with security updates.

@@ianbaker4295 actually Macs may have the longest support of most computers. My 2012 iMac can still update to MacOS BigSur natively and with a few tweaks can also update to Ventura & Sonoma. Linux is a great option too for old computers instead of using bloatware scammy Windows 11.

Still using my 2015 MacBook Pro. Runs most apps flawlessly and can even do some light gaming (among us via parallels and Minecraft works well) and via cloud gaming I managed to get Microsoft Flight Simulator running on it. Still runs macOS Monterey (which is still receiving security updates) and with some tweaks you can get MacOS Sonoma running (although I choose not to just because you have to reinstall the whole OS which would delete all my data). Really good laptop that still has really good value and has aged really well.

@@cassiuscartland the problem with Windows 11 is that it can’t run on older machines. Even those bought in 2017 are considered too old by the Windows 11 requirements. Windows 10 is supposed to be getting slashed from security updates in 2025. There are workarounds to that too but they aren’t the best idea. macOS and IOS, are doing much better in the long-term security update department right now. And Linux will always be an excellent option for those looking to breathe life into older computers.

@@ianbaker4295 I hate Windows 11 because it destroys the free upgrade cycle from 2010 Windows 7

Yeah there are too many useful features for me to feel justified in stopping smartphone use entirely. Just stay away from the toxic social media apps that are designed to be addictive and you should be fine.

That’s the problem most people lack self control, including me. Having KZfaq on my phone has taken more time from me than anything else ever.

This is so true, people really do need some self-control!

At last someone said it!! Most people confuse the term Digital Minimalism with being back to using flip phones and old cameras and that’s not how it works. Smartphones are powerful tools that make our lives easier. The problem here is SOCIAL MEDIA

No they don't force you to; you can go and find a USB C headset or dongle. You can use over the ear classic headphones too if you find you lose the little ones

​@@RennieAsh go and find. You mean go and buy. So yes they force people to buy things they didn't need before.

Hahaj 🫵🤣🤣

@@tthomas184 carry the dongle around everywhere in addition to your charger

Almost everything is false. If you take an iphone 13 pro max, disable literally everything and use it as a flip phone (a couple of sms messages and a few minutes of phone calls per day) it will last almost the same. You won’t achieve 10 hours of screen-on time on a flip phone. Flex cables on them were fragile, phones were afraid of water and so on. They survived drops a bit better only because of lots of cheap thick plastic and less weight instead of heavy glass and metal, nevertheless, the hinges did break off easily when they fell with the screen opened.

@@ophtalmology Exactly! And there's no way a flip phone would achieve better results in drop test than 13 pro max. Old phones were cheap and plasticky. The battery was ok only because there wasn't really anything you could do with these phones other than calling and texting.

EU is mandating user swappable batteries by 2027, which I think is great as I feel like most people tend to upgrade when their battery starts to go bad, which they could replace for $50-$100 but don’t want to go through the hassle.

@@johnmoore1495 That is an absolutely terrible idea. The price of the batteries will skyrocket. If you think this is a way people will outsmart companies like Apple you're naive. These phones will also lose water and dust resistance, will become less durable, and the batteries will be most likely difficult to get so people will end up going to repair shops anyway and won't replace them on their own.

@@DJ-yh8hm I’m sure there’s rules written into the mandate saying companies can’t lock it down and only allow their software locked batteries, defeats most of the purpose at that point. The mandate states it has to be swappable by the layman. Samsung phones had water and dust resistance when they still had swappable batteries. You’re acting like phone companies can’t innovate in how they implement this. This is far better than phones turning into e-waste once the battery takes a crap and also makes battery recycling far easier. On Apple’s side it’ll make their whole environmental image look better as well.

Its nice to have an older reliable phone, it grows on you. That used to be the case with so many products until we developed rapid consumerism. People would hold onto their things, which they invested more money into, repair them if they broke and only really replace them when they were worn and torn. That includes many clothing items, household tools and appliances, furniture and vehicles. Things used to be made with higher quality

Not for the economy

​@@dannybootsscrew the economy. The world needs a system change. It can't be forever growth growth growth. Capitalism is not good !

No one cares.

Capitalism in the west is dying. Just look around, most companies are trying to earn as much money as (in)humanely possible, as if they know the end for them is near.

@fenwicus'The planet will do just fine, even with folks buying stuff. I em betting you don't walk around nake and never use anything that was not grown or made by your hands without killing or destroying anything. Were does your waste go?

Wow you’re living in the Stone Age.

How do yo even make phone calls

Tbf Apple has a good record of rolling important security updates for devices that have already stopped getting updates. I think the first time they did that was in iOS 6. My iPad 2 was already running iOS 7, but I temember older iPhones and iPod Touch that were stuck on iOS 6 got a security patch. Even today, they're still doing that for some iOS versions

Thats really the only issue that I see. Older phones stop getting updates. If they get updates forever then i'd definitely keep the phone I have right now. Only problem is, new features that appear to be pretty cool.

You are over thinking it bro, bugs and security bugs.... Please.

dude the sheer amounts of vulnerabilities i hear about being exploited for botnets or spyware each week is insane. I wouldn't say he's overthinking it at all. @@curlyhairdudeify

@@curlyhairdudeifyJoke coward 😂

An IPhone 11 is the next best model!!

I thought the same, until someone told me there are soon no more security updates for iPhone 8 anymore. I love mine, but I think it’s time to let it go soon😢

All it's going to take is the right scammer/hacker to become interested enough and you're all sitting ducks.

Wow, I'm glad to hear you are ok after that!

​@@orangeyellow-me1pzSo.. you know nothing about NetSec.. Do you?

@@orangeyellow-me1pz That's if you're gullible and can't distinguish scam links from fake ones. Or if you download sketchy apps.

fellow S10e user here, thing's built like a tank. apart from a few minor scratches on my screen its otherwise undamaged and in perfect condition

Do what works for you.

You speak the truth

It's the other way around for me.

I'm considering upgrading my iPhone 6

Why? I love my modern smartphone that does everything. Doesn’t mean you need to use it always. What is it that makes you depressed?

everything is at security risks bro you can just flash a custom rom that has the latest like android 13 or 14 to it and be fine with it

i do use 8-9 year old devices with custom roms and none had any issues about stolen passwords or anything because i was careful not to believe fake websites and never click them and also didnt downloaded things from sketchy website so i was fine

Most people are scammed via social engineering so people are usually the weakest link and not the tech unless you’re a journalist,political figure ect but them you probably have worse things to worry about

@@eylemuyavul3055 Most ppl using old phones aren't flashing custom roms bro. Good for you though.

@@weird-guy This is true.. people are the weakest link in security... but bugs in the OS's is also a real thing... doesn't happen often to the average person, but it could... maybe the risks are worth it for many people.. but good to know those risks, which a lot of ppl using old phones aren't considering.

It's still kind of scary cuz there's millions of phones out there still vulnerable to Pegasus a malware that doesn't require any action to install

Yeah but you don’t need yearly upgrades for that.

@@portman8909 yep, agreed. Never meant that, however.

New phones noticeably have better cameras, comparing my iPhone 13 to cousins iPhone Xs and in the future AI would probably improve the user experience and lots of software based things. The improvements aren’t noticeable until you experience them face to face I think but the technology in older devices is already satisfactory enough if you aren’t being exposed to using the latest technology everytime.

@@Peter-mj6lzExactly, the improvements compound over time. The power of the new chips that get released will also be able to support more advance tech as time goes on too. People are too short-sighted. Definitely don't need to upgrade every single year, but companies are making great strides with smartphone tech. It's just that we are not at a point anymore where there is a new revolutionary feature every year now. We'll reach that point again once there is another technological breakthrough however, and it'll be thanks to the constant improvements we're seeing.

@@Peter-mj6lz I genuinely do not care about better camera tech. A mid range phone from 10 years ago takes good enough pics for me.

​@@Peter-mj6lznot everyone needs good cameras

@@shogunero3.6That’s good for you

yeah but most apps probably don't work on those phones ( like banking apps) so the old guy is probably just using it as an ipod LOL

@@novakd1530 Lol let's hope he does, but with how dismal most banks ironically are with security I wouldn't be surprised if they still targeted ancient phones, SDKs and OS versions or let you access your account through an old app. He can probably also log in through his (severely outdated) browser.

That’s how I feel too.

Yeah if you’re doing banking or store other sensitive data on your phone it would be wise to get one that is still receiving security updates

I wonder if you'd still be protected if you downloaded the Norton 360 app.

Well for majority audience doing normal stuff, like social media, whatsapp , email, a expired secuirty update serves all purposes. And if browising fishy sites, then security update MAY come in handy Why browse fishy, when we have KZfaq, apps for learning, and chat gpt and authentic websites

@@servantofallah9425 The issue isn’t going to fishy sites but rather visiting a compromised legitimate site or clicking on an ad in an app that directs to an unsafe site.

Blame these manufacturers for all going with feeble OLED tech. I'd take LCD over it because of this exact problem.

​@@orangeyellow-me1pzThat's the sacrifice that you have to make for better battery life always on display and a lot better picture quality and more brightness

buy the Galaxy S24 ultra when it comes out, samsung will continue to update it for the next 7 years

@@a.s8897 how does that fix burn-in?

I had burn in on my s7 after 1-2 years...

The Galaxy S24 comes out next week… 👀

I myself was still using the iPhone X. Bought it in 2018 and was still using it until towards the end of last year. I have a tendency of holding onto my phones for 5-7 years, but what did me in was that first my battery needed replacing, then the charging port was going bad. In order to fix the charging port, they would’ve had to replace the entire motherboard which was $500+. I could’ve bought an SE for that price. They thoroughly cleaned the port to tie me over, but I just wound up replacing it. I’m going to hold onto this one I got for another 5-7 years.

Agreed 100% that's why I am still using a XS.

​@@Deathtofrogleghorngeez, stop buying iPhones. The charging port on many other phones is modular and is normally a $10 part. Apple is doing what they're doing on purpose. they don't even like when you change the battery.

I remember when iPhone XS costed almost like a new car when it first released and now you can find them dirt cheap, time flies fast for sure

Same I just upgraded from the xs to the 15 pro, I feel as if it was a reasonable upgrade

13pm is great, also waiting on the 16pm so we'll see

iPhone 13 is the best Apple phone right now so you might wait 5 years to get a better iPhone 😂

My sisters Motorola phone failed after a year of use, so I gave her my old Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 from 2018. Now that I think about it, I honestly don't even know why I upgraded from that phone to my current Xiaomi Mi 11 lite 5g. I even changed the batter for a new one on that old Xiaomi haha. Well at least it is being used again. Xiaomi sure knows how to make phones. Now that I remember, I bought the Redmi Note 5 used for $120 xD

What brand and model is it?

Lol, you didn't try a custom ROM?

@orangeyellow-me1pz no at that point I just decided It was time for a new phone anyway

What do you mean by "end of life"? That it isn't getting any updates? And may I ask you which $400 Android you got?

@@20NBA01 I'm still using an iPhone 6 (no S) with no problems and you can get a brand new Samsung A15 5G with 128 G storage for $200 US ($270 CAD) with Android 14 and support for 4 OS upgrades and 5 years of security updates which is fine for casual users. I don't have an aversion to new tech, I have a company supplied iPhone 15 Pro Max for work, but for personal use the old iPhone 6 still works for me.

true until the battery life turns to absolute dogshit depending on how much you rely on your phone and screen time

eeii fellow samsung galaxy s7 user. i still using the s7 edge version till this day and have no plan on upgrading as it still useable

Agreed 👍

very true. also the phone itself costing less.

I perhaps would not mind having a basic flip phone. But I still want to be able to easily text on it, and have versions of my most important apps on there, such as my banking primary email and a decent enough camera. I would use that as my daily driver I keep with me, but keep my regular smartphone at home like to use at night. I dont want easy access to anything which tempts me to become unnecessarily addicted to it or demands too much of my attention.

Visible has phone/days plans for $25/mo.

I have a smartphone and don't use anything you mentioned. You don't really need any of these things

And duh…. Not everyone gets new phones. Most keep their old.

yeah i still use my samsung galaxy s7 edge with custom roms and im really happy with it the only problem is that the battery health is at 43% which lasts 2.5 hours or 3 hours SOT not good but i will going to replace the battery in it@@raycenteno7698

How did you get KZfaq working? I have an iPhone 5 which YT is broken on

of course browser the app wont work@@NCHLTII

@@NCHLTII chrome works (an old version) and the youtube mobile website works in that

You can still buy new dumb phones. Just look it up.

Just buy a blackberry running blackberry 10.

*Nintendo

I have several original games for the NES including Castlevania 3 and Mega Man 2. Most of them still work and I know for a fact that they are over 30 years old. Unfortunately I don’t have the original NES system but I do have a console that allows me to play them. I love those old games more than most of the new ones they’re putting out today.

​@@irrelevant2235how do you know he doesn't have a 9tendo? He is even comparing it to cellphones so maybe it has a telephony function as well because otherwise his comparison doesn't make sense.

The quality of a flip phone now is so shockingly poor . I wish more care was taken into making them nowadays

You used to have a land line that would literally last 10, 20, 30 years. No software updates, no security concerns, just a phone. Glad i held on to mine.

@@szinyk Yeah, but they still kind of force you to buy a cell phone since they took away all the pay phones. And AT&T has said it's phasing out the traditional landline, at least directly. You may still be able to get landline via a modem from your cable company, at least for the time being.

@ebinrock That definitely sucks about pay phones. I'm just unavailable unless i'm at home now. People can probably ind old phones in used markets though, or at office supply stores for businesses.

Google is guaranteeing 7 years of software/hardware support for there Pixel 8 phones. Plus unlike Apple you can get them fixed at any regular repair store. I have a Pixel 8 Pro and I love it over the Apple phone I had.

You really believe Google is going to keep their word on that? Google is so flipping unreliable when it comes to support of products.

@@laurenslee9134 it's clearly posted on Google support page in black and white.

It's posted on Google Support page. Which shows for how long Pixel's get Android updates and security updates. It's the same way Samsung lists their phones how long they get updates.

Man I miss my Nokia N70 blue color. Used to play Snake and a lot of gba games on it.

Do you realize that 3G will shut down? You will need to upgrade to a new phone at some point because 3G support will end.

🤣 no, there are more things that can happen but this is the ignorance I'd be counting on if I was a hacker.

​@@orangeyellow-me1pzso true, these older folks seems so ignorant about how really old smartphones can be dangerous to use online 😂. I say if you want to keep a phone that long than a flip phone with a replaceable battery is better and cheaper than an ancient smartphone with no security 😂

Your "original battery" comes from third party manufacturers

I still have the a20s for 3yrs now

If you use S7, you are probably more vulnerable to online security threats, hacks etc. So you better not have any banking info or anything valuable stored on the phone. Also the battery degrades rapidly after 2 or 3 years so you would have to buy new battery. For the cost of new battery, buying a new but midranger phone for cheap is worth it compared to a new battery on a really old device. Not only the security would be better but you can now download apps that are updated for security and features.

@@samjam6989 Yeah I know. I mainly use it for social media, most other things I do on my PC. As for the battery, it's not great, but it's good enough for me for now, and I expect it to stay that way until I upgrade possibly in the second half of this year.

@TheOnlyName even for social media it's dangerous to use an old phone with no security updates as your account could be hacked and your pictures can be stolen and used for nefarious intentions. Definitely would not use it online unless it's just web searches or KZfaq with burner account.

@@samjam6989 I mean I've used it for 5 years and been fine, I think I have a decent idea about what I'm doing :) I doubt I would randomly get hacked just because I have an old device with 4-5 year old security updates.