yes heat is a factor but everyone missed the most important clue. 14 pro display has 2000 nits brightness with always on. If you are mostly outside, it runs at that peak brightness. 14 pro battery is not big enough to sustain that load. So by mid day most people run out of battery and they recharge. On average people are doing 1.5 to 2 battery cycles each day. This did not happen before 14 pro. Apple really did not design the battery capacity well to handle the 14 pro display.

@@Fear.of.the.Dark.maybe because Samsung makes apple batteries because you can literally take bds board off iPhones battery and soder it on Samsung batteries and iPhones will boot off it just fine

Do your charging in a cool and/or ventilated area

I do wireless charging on all my phones for years and I haven't seen much of a difference in battery degradation

Yeah I mostly use wireless charging and a year later it’s still 100% battery health.

Can you share the link to learn more on this topic?

SO Never charge above 80% and let the battery drop below 20%?

@@netaisarker4991 generally avoid that yes, try to keep it in the middle

Problem is most phone OS does NOT let you stop at 80%. Presumably this is planned obsolescence. For android there is only apps that sounds an alarm to tell you to unplug your phone.

@@taiwanluthiers i have an s23 and I have the 85% stop in settings

Interesting, but that’s just 2%, something I’m inclined to point at each generation’s battery more than how it’s charged.

@@SleepyPossums For full disclosure: I bought my Max in Feb 2019. Replaced it with 13 Pro in autumn 2021. Feels surreal that newer phone eats through the battery twice as fast.

Truth wireless chargers are the easy tool to downgrade your battery

@@Rajskr16ohh thanks. Almost Planning to buy.

@@disc0potato don’t buy for your goodness

exactly this, I always see people like omg never charge between 80-100 or use from 0-20 and im just like, I charge when i need to charge and use when i need to use

Right, it's a tool nothing more. If it does not keep up with my older phones regarding battery cycle, I don't care, either I will buy a new one or another brand.

Main question is why Apple provides iphones with 80% capacity battery at 500 cycles? Their macbook, ipad and watch all have 1000 cycles rated for 80% capacity so they are much better than in iphones? Why? So that people feel like they rather upgrade to new iphones as batteries get weaker quicker?

​@@Fear.of.the.Dark.And android can charger 240 watt and 1000 cycle and only lost 10 % capacity 😂. From realmi gt 5 pro

@@Fear.of.the.Dark.yes. That must be their idea behind this.👍 But at least we have an option to get battery replacement.

@@girishd5075I mean with money. Of course it comes with an option What’s next Well at least Apple comes out with a new phone every year to give you option to upgrade ?

@@Fear.of.the.Dark. see, you're assuming apple is about quality. Common mistake. Its merely about appearing to be high quality

@obi1shinobi Same! And also avoiding high temperatures which, as mentioned in the video, are a big battery killer. When I charge my phone, I elevate it on a frame rather than leaving it flat on the table. Then whenever possible I put it in front of an electric fan while charging.

So here is my point again. You two year old iphone 13 has similar battery degradation as one year old 14 pro. What is the real difference between the two. Answer is the display. 14 pro has 2000 nits with always on. Hence battery consumption is higher and hence need for more frequent recharging and more battery cycles.

"...so I don’t waste time obsessing over it." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This. So much this. It's just a phone. How much stress is it worth to save a few bucks worth of battery life? After three or four years spend the $100 to replace the battery or spend the money to upgrade to a new phone. Enjoy your life. It's short enough already.

@@gl1500ctv agreed. Why not even spend $1300 every year to upgrade to latest phone? Then you dont even have to bother about battery at all.

​@@Fear.of.the.Dark.2000 nits display means nothing it hardly ever reaches that number.. You can have a 2000nit display running 400nits way more efficiently than a 800nit display at 500nits.

You can just buy a new battery

If thats the case, why is apple lying about battery health? My iPhones dont show anything below 84% battery health, despite being literally unusable (battery runtime) and dangerous (blowing up, prone to burst/smoke) already. The only concerning thing they show is "Your battery does not allow high performance mode anymore". I once checked the battery health with Coconut battery and guess what... 84% is a BIG LIE, in fact the battery had already below 50% health!

​@@tkramazingapple purposely charge expensive in repair and prevent third party fix, thats evil

@@piplupempoleon4225 Just a suggestion

100 % correct !!!

It's a feature

you love she, she loves cookies, not let a cookie love you from behind.. close the circle..

Npc humor

And yet she completely failed to explain how discharge cycles work and got it 100% wrong.

Other lithium battery technologies last way longer as well. Those are simply not as energy dens.

Not if it is performed by Apple or a professional repair tech. A water resistant gasket can be installed

Depending if you keep your phone for a long time. Let's say you keep your iPhone for 5 years. Maybe that $89 is it worth it anymore. There are more points of fair years because hardware doesn't last forever. If you do simple math maybe at that point you've used up most of the value from your phone. At that point you could probably even trade in or sell your phone.

90% after one year isn't great. I have 90% on my two year old iPhone Mini 13 which is charged at night and often during the day. There is something not right about the battery in the iPhone 14 Pros

Did u replace at apple? Plus have you been asked or told to update your phone when u took it in?

@@reddiegaming195 didn’t replace it yet. No need to replace until 70% or so. I’ll probably get the Apple battery.

@@rickiehoxton yeah but it’s only $89 and the rest of the now extinct gold color 14 PM is good and runs very cool.

Must be an iPhone 14 exclusive issue to be honest, no issues so far with the iPhone 15 (non Pro) Im coming close to the 150 charging cycles (yes, i intentionally wasted battery cycles with stresstests) and im still at 100% health, but i also use exclusively the "80% Limit" setting on the 15 and avoid

Not everyone buys the latest iPhone each year . Personally I think any flagship phone either apple or android is ridiculously overpriced. Many cheap phones for £250 sometimes cheaper work very well . I agree about the battery situation. All phones should be able to be easily replaced like they used to be

@@emward6858 The best features were user replaceable batteries and the ability to add and remove a MicroSD card. Now it's basically impossible to find either.

That is terrible . You should contact apple

if you bought it new, it's probably because the phone sat in the box so long.

Your post is also another good clue. What happens when lower power mode is turned on for 14 pro? It disables peak brightness of 2000 nits and always on functionality of the display. The display power consumption relative to battery capacity is the main issue with 14 pro lineup.

Low power mode disables your 120hz display and switches to 60hz to save battery. What’s the point of owning an iPhone Pro then?

Based on a friend’s account, I agree the capacity report is likely highly inaccurate.

sheep detected 🐑🐑

Bingo. This is not really a good deep dive into 14 pro battery life issues. Actually it is 500 cycles for iphones. Their macbooks, ipads and watch has 1000 cycles rated batteries. It is clear they are using inferior battery in iphones. Maybe they want users to upgrade to newer iphones more often as batteries get weaker or they did the math and want for more regular $99 battery service from the large iphone user base.

Thanks, do you use a fast charger?

I’m not sure if you consider this fast but I use a 10w fast charger, if you were curious she uses a 30w charger but mostly uses the 5w charger she got with her 11.

Your post is another solid clue. What is the main major difference between 14 and 14 pro max? Hint: it is the 2000 nits display with always on. I bet your friend is recharing once in mid day because her display is consuming the battery way too quickly as the capacity is not enough relative to display power consumption.

Yeah I guess you are right, she disabled promotion which defeats the point of getting a pro iPhone so I guess it’s the brightness paired with a slightly smaller battery. She mostly charges it in the evenings.

​@@TheAppleGuy. Battery probably heated up becauses she uses a 30w charger and over time lost 8% battery health

Too digestible, no info. Show me on the Joanna Stern how she got 500 cycles in a 38-47°C situation in Spain and Tunisia while getting her 1-2 hours exercising at an 8 in a day.

I miss my iPhone X. Best phone I have had. AND it was the last model from Apple before they introduced the Battery Message of doom. if you go third party with the Xs, that message would come up.

independents do the same?

@@lachlanlauI don’t think so, but for that price they better be, cause it would make even more sense to go to Apple

@@gerardoarenasss right to repair bro, apple hates it

@@lachlanlau I’m sure there are some that do but most don’t because it takes a lot of time and is incredibly annoying to do. I wouldn’t risk it for $10.

I mean , in theory , yes but do you have any proof ? Coz for the amount they had to do, and the pay , and with todays society , there will always be short cuts , laziness Just like every companies , there will be workers who work hard most average / meet just the bare required and the basic minimum standard and some super lazy same as those independent. Some are good some will be bad And they are cheaper not coz they are bad Just coz they don’t have the brand power to charge higher just like third party phone cases , most are similar or same quality of Apple (some are way worse also ) But they are all cheaper coz they don’t have that logo

Nice, iPhone 14 pro here 10 months old 90% already 😅

@@mahee96mine 89% in 10 months too

And hottest.

This is a huge misconception. The battery is by far most toxic/hard to recycle part of the phone. Larger inbuilt battery is many times friendlier to the environment than a tiny replaceable one, like we the ones we used to have on old Android phones. EU has done goofed with that legislation, hopefully manufacturers find a way around the legislation, like adding screws/pulltabs.

@@jackwilson5542 there is one more thing - most phones won't get software updates past 2-3 yrs of the time of purchase. Sure, there are brands, which offer 5 or even up to 7 yrs of updates, but it ain't true for most brands. So, trying to extend the life of a phone, which is software non-updatable is questionable. On bootloader unlocked phones one can eventually install an alternative OS, but again it won't work for most phones - they are either vendor locked or even if unlocked - they are not supported on those alt.OSes. So, with all considerations we're back at where we started :) Are those changes practical?

Thank God for EU

@@annetted5435 the EU are pretty much anti-God anti-religion. And with their huge bureaucratic apparatus they look more and more like the USSR by the day.

Because one Apple provides iphones with 500 cycle battery life vs macbook, ipad and watch with 1000 cycle rated life. Most people are not aware of this that iphones have inferior battery relative to their other products. Reason number two is their 14 pro display has way more peak brightness at 2000 nits with always on functionality. This eats up battery power quickly and you need to recharge your 14 pro twice daily, so on average people spend 1.5 to 2 battery cycles each day. Hence your batteries are failing quickly because they are weak in first place relative to power consumption.

​@@silver-monkey You are being very naive. Samsung has a much worse record when it comes to battery health over time than Apple. Aside from that Note 7 explosion fiasco a few years back, Samsung phones in general are known to have batteries that inflate significantly over a normal use cycle of 5 years. I've had an iPhone X since launch, and it's still working fine 6 years later with over 85% battery health. Realistically, if you pay any remote attention to your battery charging habits (i.e., when, at what percentage, and how long you charge) and optimize that so you don't charge the phone over 80% regularly or let it fall under 20%, the battery the phone came with will last for at least 5 years without dipping below 80% battery heath.

@@Fear.of.the.Dark. You are not getting the point here. iPhone 14 batteries are degrading faster even on a per cycle basis. The first point is, okay iPhone 14 Pro (Max) has always-on and brighter screens, but that alone isn’t going to use that much more battery to have the battery degrading that much faster. That’s what’s everyone trying to speculate or defend this second battery gate. The second point is, iPhone 14 batteries are degrading faster per cycle basis than before. This video is the first time that I have seen someone posting their battery cycle count along with health percentage. And to my expectation, iPhone 14 batteries are degrading faster per cycle. Even though Stern try to speculate heat was the reason behind this, I don’t think so. I don’t think everyone is subjecting their iPhones 14 to that much more heat to cause them to degrade like 30% faster. So the reason is Apple is pinching money out of us by using bad batteries on iPhones 14. Finally, the battery cycle specification. Ok, iPhone batteries are specced for 500 to 80% health, and we are used to iPhones batteries that far exceeding what they claim they can do. For example, Stern’s iPhone 12 Pro is projected to hit 80% at about 1100 cycles (my calculations). But the 14 Pro will hit 80% at about 750 cycles. Apple can make very durable batteries in older iPhones and Mac / iPad / Apple Watches, why can’t they keep using these good batteries? P.S. I am not aware of anyone comparing battery durabilities across different device types. It’s kind of meaningless because we use laptops and phones rather differently. Look, I have brought a lot of Apple products over the years, I had been very excited about them. My devices in Find My fill up the whole screen plus half a dozen more. I just can’t agree with what Apple is doing lately.

@@silver-monkeyI know I’m everything Apple and deep in their ecosystem but man the ppl who would come up with , to defend a two trillion dollar for profit companies that truly only care about our money , is just I love Apple but they are greedy , and gets worse. It’s the fact coz they can be greedy.

The problem is Apple uses different chemistries for different products, for a GOOD REASON, not to make people buy more iPhones. iPhones are the only apple product charging with up to 3C charging speeds, meanwhile MacBooks max out at 1,3-1,4C and iPads even below 1C. I know a few iPhone 13 and 14 users, and most of them have a good battery health regarding to the cycle count. The ones with bad battery health are the ones going often to 0 or 100% charge, keeping it for hours plugged in at 100%, doing exclusively fast charging etc. I know only one power user whos low battery health is coming from endless gaming and charging all the time and this guy accumulate like >800 cycles per year which is just crazy. His last iPhone battery was replaced at over 2000 charging cycles because battery life was getting abysmal.

The always on display shouldn't significantly impact the endurance of the battery. The presence of recycled materials also shouldn't have a large impact on that either.

always on display does affect battery life. Do the test yourself between disabled always on display vs on. Also 14 pro has 2000 nits peak brightness display, way higher than earlier iphones. People are ignoring the power consumption of the display for some reason. Ultimately the battery provided is weak capacity wise and hence you need to recharge your 14 pro way more.

@@silver-monkey yes heat and these other excuses like fast charging or charging to 100% is not the real main issue here. Apple really screwed up with weak battery capacity relative to display power consumption with 14 pro. Also why does Apple provide iphone with inferior battery vs ipad and macbook and watch? Iphones have 80% capacity rated at 500 cycles vs 1000 cycles for ipads, macbook and watch? Do they want people to upgrade their iphones more because of weaker battery?

Always on display does not use a lot of battery, the amount of battery use is low. That is certainly not the reason why the battery health went down fast. Most likely the reason is due to poor thermal cooling in the iPhone 14 Pro Max, Apple has never once included copper heatpipes or vapor chambers inside and their phones tend to get hot compared to other flagships with proper cooling. Also, wireless charging generates a ton of heat, and the fact that the iPhone 14 still uses the lightning connector which is very inefficient and generates a lot of heat during charging (just like micro USB)

@@americanfreedomandworldpea6912 iPhone 13 Pro has same similar cooling. Peolple charge 13 pro wirelessly as well. So why don’t iPhone 13 Pro batteries suffer the same fate in one year time?

How? This video completely misinforms about how battery charge cycles work.

@@ithinkitwaskhamas , enlighten me

Nothing wrong with the 15’s & it’s too early to tell if they will have degradation issues or not.

@@iwill_859 I mean iphone 15 series have ios 17 issues like an overheating, am I right?

@@indrahaseo no, apple fixed all those issues w updates.

@@iwill_859 it would be better if we just wait for next year or until ios 17 has been fixed, better and smooth more then 17.2 or 17.3 is enough

@@silver-monkey yeah she openly made a point for going to Apple for battery replacement while not really giving a good answer on why battery sucks in first place.

Samsung Galaxy Xcovers do, since you pop out the battery and replace it. It's also Drop proof.

I was surprised when I watched the video, I remembered it was 1000 cycles a decade ago. Also no idea about phones, but Dell only guarantees 300 cycles for laptops.

Apple doesn’t count cycles when the battery is disconnected… where did you get that wrong bit of information?

Oppo says 1600 cycles. Most phones have 800 cycles. 500 is more like in 2010.

you are 100% correct that Apple provides inferior battery in their iphones with 500 cycles capacity vs their macbooks/ipads which are rated for 80% capacity at 1000 cycles. I think they want people to upgrade iphones more often. Also 14 pro had 2000 nits display and always on display. That display is way more power hungry relative to battery capacity vs earlier iphones. Hence you also need to recharge your 14 pro way more and voila poor battery health due to way more battery cycles.

@@Joel-bh5xd I wrote a reply to this yesterday but it didn't get posted. Looks like my info was dated - I used to have several MacBooks and there the battery would incorrectly increment its cycle count each time the battery was disconnected from the charger. I updated my original comment, thanks for making me aware.

and you know what 13 pro did not have vs 14 pro? always on display and 2000 nits display. There is your reason why 14 pro battery life sucks and why you need to recharge more often which increase battery cycles.

@@Fear.of.the.Dark. I respect your opinion but it’s just me. I don’t care any of those so I would still be fine with it. But yeah I have to agree the 15s are quite good this year compared to 14 pro. I just wish they improve the battery next year on the pro and the Dynamic Island hopefully shrinks abit. It protrudes a lot imo.

@@user-tu1zw8pj9b 15 pro and 14 pro have same rated battery life. Their display is also same. Reason why 15 pro battery might seem better because it is brand new battery with 100% life now vs 14 pro with 88% battery.

Apple doesn’t lock batteries, it just won’t show you the battery health indicator and say the battery is not genuine Apple in the settings.

@@teamtoken that is essentially locking. If a regular user keeps on getting error message in settings, what does that suggest to the user? that the repair was not done properly and now you have to goto Apple genius bar to solve this.

Not true I replaced 4 IPhone batteries over years at Apple store that were at 85%-87%

Agreed, I got a battery replacement with no fuss at the Apple Store when the original dropped to 91%. 89 bucks and at least one more year of use. I keep my iPhones for 3 years.

I have a 1st gen SE (2016) with 85% battery health.

lol what happened

Convenience is a huge cost factor. My local repair shop does it in 20 minutes without an appointment. Apple told me I needed to come back the next day and leave my phone until they called me 5 hours later. My time is valuable.

@@BeyondWoWJunkiesPretty much this. My time is worth far more than 10 measely dollars. Especially for something you only need to replace every 1 to 2 years.

why not have the charge limit at 99% then :p

Most phone OS doesn't allow this without some serious tinkering (think rooting or jailbreaking). It's likely intentional. What's worse with Apple phones is that it absolutely does not allow third party repairs. You'll see error messages on your iphone regardless if the battery came from another iphone. The phone serializes the parts and flashes an error when it isn't the part the phone is assigned with. Solution is allow user replaceable batteries. The EU is going to require this in the future.

Even before the 80 percentage limit apple already only charged your phone up to 80 over night and only charged the last 20 percent right before you woke up

@@marvinvogtde It isn't perfect though and it really needs to "learn" your pattern. Best is if it just stopped charging at 80% unless you manually enable it. But not all phones is capable.

@@marvinvogtde That attempt was way over-engineered and didn't work properly. Hence why they've rolled this option out. If the former worked well enough they wouldn't need a second option.

How many watts is your charger

Completely agree. So the solution is not updating software?

@@Mahalakshmi-Khan Can't say but I haven't yet updated to the 17 and I'm quite satisfied with 16.7.2 for now.

Please comment here how is your experience after updating to 17 when you do @@zaynys

Ev batteries typically have far better endurance than mobile batteries. Ev cells are often rated for more than 2000 cycles, each being a true cycle and not comparable to partial cycles as counted by apple. This is because they are built differently and also use a fundamentally different construction method - tubular cells are basically superior to pouch cells in all ways but are impractical to fit in a phone for obvious reasons. There are plenty of arguments to be made against the adoption of EVs, but the endurance of the battery packs is not one of them.

@@chixinspace false ccp bot. They also rate the iPhone batts for same cycles. Dont make it does it? Just because you claim something don't make it true. But you aren't here to post truths.

@@chixinspace how is 50 tons of ore for one battery with a 7 year shelf life, that needs fossil fuels to be built charged and maintained better for the environment? Can you answer or just post scripts?