Nothing to me, even though Curry is my all time favorite player, I just can’t see myself ever putting him over magic IMO Even tho Steph is a legend, Magic was 6’9 that’s insane.

1 or 2 more rings as the finals mvp

He already has.

Iggy stealing his 2015 FMVP has made it impossible for him to ever pass Magic.

he's going to win when his career is done i think, the longevity + possible more titles would put him over in many peoples eyes

and having to compete against each other in that short time.

Eh, the league had far less player mobility then, so it was way easier for a few teams to dominate the league. The luxury tax in 2001 was what really forced championship teams to dump talent, unless they could convince key players to take a pay cut.

The basketball version of Biggie and Tupac

​@@AaronMichaelLongFacts

​@@AaronMichaelLong Bird and magic would both dominate today

One of

don't think they are what ifs. They reached their peaks they just didn't play as many years as they could have. What ifs are people like d rose who got injured way too early

@stratosm3154 well, the way I meant it, the what-if, is not necessarily how good they could get, but their overall legacy and the knock-on impact for others and in this case the whole NBA story.

Aside from pumping up their overall points, assists, rebounds they aren't really what if's, they retired at the end of their prime and wouldn't do the same things they did in their prime for the years after, no more mvps etc.

@bardol359 We're probably thinking about it different ways. I guess I'm not thinking what they will become, but I am thinking what they would achieve and the influence or butterfly effect on the league. Both were 2nd in MVP voting when they had their injuries/illnesses. Both were 31. Both had been to the Finals immediately prior to injury. Guys like Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Curry, Jordan, Olajuwon, Kareem, Dr J, Moses and Shaq were all leading stars on title winning teams after that age. Throw in combined what ifs of Bias and Lewis, with a healthy Bird, and maybe Jordan's career never pans out the way it did. But that's pushing it, I know.

I would argue that d rose is by far and a way the biggest what if story in the nba.

Exactly! All these boomers don’t want to admit this point exactly. Also, the years steph played with a teammate similar to Kareem, he went to the finals every year.

Fact !

Wouldn’t playing the same number of years or games do that for you? Like if they both played say 10 years who did better in those years? Or take whoever played shorter a career and overlay that with the others best years. I don’t know I’m dumb trying to help!

Even without injury Currys wouldnt do shit in 2011 to 2014 lol

and his ankles are STILL made of glass.

That 92 all star game was fire too!

@@fab7an758Fr

​@fab7an758 yeah it was! Kobe tried to recreate the 1 on 1, in game showdowns of Magic vs MJ, and Magic vs Isaiah. He tried to go one on one against Lebron. All the other players stepped back and gave them the moment and Lebron PASSED THE BALL. Kobe just rolled his eyes in disbelief of what a coward Lebron was. I go back and try to find it on the net but that minute is erased from the game. Lebron probably paid to have it erased! This is why I know Kobe didn't like him. He didn't like chickens that don't want to compete but want to be in the goat conversation. He also knew Bron was a statpadder and superteam builder!

And played on the Dream Team

@@stormteam3004but LeBron is still a better player. Kobe is a inefficient ball hog, rapist and sidekick.

yes, yes and YES! it is hard to call steph a point guard. nothing to take away from his greatness, but in a positionless era it has to be acknowledged that he is NOT a point guard.

Just because in their offense he doesn't play like that, because he's better off ball is just obvious, doesn't mean he can't run an offense. We've seen Curry lead the playoffs in assists, it's not loke he can't play a traditional role. He's just better as a scorer

@@michaelroberts5191People act like Curry averages 2 ast per game when he only 1 ast pregame behind Lebron James

I hate the dumb argument of he could do it if he wanted to. He didn’t score consistently so him having good scoring games doesn’t mean he could’ve been a good scorer

@@uncivilwaterboy0788 he even said himself he only development an outside shot so people couldn't play off him and gum up the offense. His mind was never on scoring

so it’s even right? except magic didn’t get a top 3 player in the league while he was in his prime

Correction : old Kareem and Worthy Curry has : KD, Klay, Draymond, Iguodala

@@josuasanjosuasan7322don’t forget Wiggins too.

I've watched Both Magic and Steph and ppl are honestly being delusional. Steph has passed him since 2021. Steph is clearly the better Player

​@@d3va383wiggins isnt in that teir of players

and it caused the 3-pt shot to become the most important thing in the game, which to me has been a huge detriment to the game's quality.

here's the thing with that argument, yes curry changed the game fully, but problem is it helped no team to be able to win a chip other than warriors, when talking about games changed, I look at also teams implementing that style to their team and guys game which would prove that style would help them win a chip, and so far no team thats tried to copy curry or warriors have benefitted from it

now with magic's revolution to 6'9 pg guys, or revolutionizing the game with his passing and fast breaks, he elevated a similar team in nuggets adapting that style, and he influenced lebron to run point, and helped jason kidd unlock giannis

@@theonlygoodonehere2259 when you look at how all team take significantly more 3s after 2015 than before it, you can say that it has just become a part of the game. And the Rockets most likely win in 2019 taking it to the extreme if not for the worst cold streak in league history.

@@theonlygoodonehere2259 teams played fast before Showtime, and bigger players may have started learning ball skills because of him but it's not like every team has a 6'7+ PG

yessir

My king is God

​@@lbjisthegoat33yes 💪😎

@@lbjisthegoat33 amen 🙏🏽

@@lbjisthegoat33 I also have an imaginary friend :) (not really)

Thank you

The only thing you left out is Magic passing makes Stephs look like he plays at the YMCA. That's how good a passer Magic was.

@@saltymonkey8874 You're 100% right!

Magic as a player just gives you more. On one hand you have a guy called a point guard but can play any position. On the other hand you have a guy called a point guard but isn’t good at it’s traditional value and really plays like a shooting guard. Even as a shooting guard he’s not a top 5 shooting guard ever. I’m taking the first guy.

⁠@@saltymonkey8874The only thing you left out is Steph shooting makes magic looks like he plays for the YMCA. That’s how a good shooter he was.

Now they everywhere today so that argument only makes magic look bad

​@uncivilwaterboy0788 No, they aren't.

aw shizzy do we got a Ben Simmons fan up there

I'm sooooo glad he's back! I was seriously sad when he stopped years ago, but I understood. His video on the early years of NBA History is still one of the best I've ever seen

​@@jonnyarnettsomeone link the video

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Thanks Barry Mckokiner for that very original joke

Or his son ☠️

​@@The-Basketball-Godswait till you find out not everything in life is original

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Saw this at 69 likes

That annoys the hell out of me. He's also not even that small for a point guard. He's taller than Derrick Rose and Chris Paul.

All the lakers player would probably have aids if the sex addict didnt retire lols just saying

Magic was already getting fat in '91. He was cooked

Hakeem and the Lakers would have been lethal. People like the idiot who commented above me have no idea how dangerous Magic was. He and Bird were terrifying to play against, but so much fun to watch. I miss the old NBA where players largely stayed together on a team. They float around so much now, it's more about players than teams.

​@@gboyce975because the writing was on the wall. If he never got AIDs from the rainbow bars he loves to visit we could be talking about Magic Johnson as a GOAT contender if he continued his winning ways with Worthy.

LA nearly traded for Chuck during the early 90s

So is his 3-1 loss in the finals

Wasn’t even the best player on the team💀

Team accolade lol

@@red-rum9303who was then

@@Muttal9348 kd, Andre, kd, green, anyone else 💀💀🙏

Agreed.

I watched Magic too. But let's be honest. Hwa just not a better basketball player than Steph. No way in hell

@@Hazz1405 he is.

@@p1xelmissile Curry is much more effective on offence ESPECIALLY in a half court setting. And they are both Medicore defensively. If anything Curry is a better ON Ball defender than Magic. So how is Magic better?!!!

He definitely was fast

When we discuss top 5 players of all time, Magic is a solid candidate. Curry OTOH has trouble cracking top 10. Yeah. Not even close.

Pistol Pete...could have been

@@SubZer00fucksgiven agreed, Pete was special. Imagine him playing in todays game…

eye test can be a delusion

sadly u are deluded by nostalgia.

U need a wake up call my guy. Compare magics stats with curry. You old heads no nothing about how the game has developed smh 🤦. Explain why current nba players are breaking the records of hall of famer’s then you know it alls🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

yep. except only one of those is the primary job of a true point guard.

@@laz0rama tf is a true point guard? that’s like saying KAT is not a “true center” bc he shoots 3s. Steph is the height of a PG and distributes that ball like a PG while being a lethal scorer

​​@@coolwitzayy point guards main job is passing. Lol did you really not know this? Curry is a soso passer, fantastic player, but an average point guard, mainly because he plays as a shooting guard, and does what shooting guards do.

@@coolwitzayy Bruh, BRUH lol it's perhaps time to wake from the 7+ year long snooze. You DO realize that Draymond has been averaging more assists than Steph every year _over the last EIGHT SEASONS, no?_ Steph's primary role is to _SHOOT the friggin' ball_ _Yes, it is indeed possible to play with 2 SGs when your F or C can handle most of the distro instead. See also = Denver Nuggets_

I'm a curry fan and not mad lol . Magic is better at passing and defending. Curry is a point guard that's extremely good scorer so it makes his passing handles and playmaking better. Magic is naturally better at it and is better at it . I'm taking him at point and putting curry at shooting guard

I disagree not all the top 10 player change thz way basketball is played

How did Duncan change basketball. Or Shaq. Or Kobe. Or Hakeem. You see you can't just practice to become Shaq or Hakeem or Kobe or Duncan. They used their physical tools to help them. Curry uses barely of his. So in our mind we think we can practice to become like Curry. We can't become anything like Bron 6 foot 9 230 pounds muscles everywhere jumps like a train. Shaq 7 foot heavy as hell. Strong asf. Duncan 7 foot with amazing basketball iq. Hakeem 7 footer who got footwork of a God. Kobe fast asf and can jump very high. Kareem 7 footer with a shot that no one before or after him has done. Etc. I think Bron somewhat changed basketball with the point forward and positionless basketball. And he def changed the NBA with player empowerment. Mj didn't really change ball.

​@@muhammadrajput3502Shaq changed the rims they use to play basketball. Got the zone defence reintroduced and had every team have multiple bigs on the floor to try and contain him. Hakeem had the best post moves ever and is one of rhe first bigs to showcase that they didn't necessarily have tp be brutish to dominate. He was quite influential honestly. Kobe introduced the work ethic and drive and how you didn't have to be very gifted to dominate the game. Also, the Kobe shout will always remain.

​@@muhammadrajput3502Michael definitely changed ball. The fadeaway was popularized by him. He was also somebody who showcased just how effective guards as scorers could be. In an era dominated by Bigs he was by far the best scorer. His shoe deals are why everybody has them now. He made basketball popular worldwide and most talented kids we see are there after watching Jordan. He reintroduced flair to basketball. Michael changed the game a lot.

@@samraizshoaib585 work ethic was a big part of the NBA before Kobe's influence. Let's not act like Kobe was the only hardworking superstar. To become an NBA you have to be hardworking that was always known. Almost none of Hakeem's post moves have been able to be replicated because its just not possible. Shaq changing the rims just meant the rims were harder to break it the rims didn't make the rules or how basketball is played different. Shaq did with zone defense I will give you that. But Kobe and Hakeem didn't. Hakeem being from Nigeria didn't mean the game of basketball rules changed or how it was played. You could say Hakeem affected the audience of basketball. There was way more overseas ball players because of Hakeem.

Step isn't even in top 10 playmakers of his own era. He's not good at being a playmaker. He's good at shooting and off the ball movement. If PG as position is considered, I'd argue between Magic and Stockton. Magic has the edge because of the titles, of course, objectively speaking, but even he would put John in front of him as the best true point guard. It's not his fault he didn't have any help for 19 years of his career. Him and Malone played alone all that time, and that's not how you win the ring.

@@bmsuperstar1off ball movement and gravity are playmaking too my guy, and when it comes to that no one matches steph

@@bmsuperstar1 The Jazz also had Darrell Griffith and Jeff Malone for a time with K Malone and Stockton, they weren't no slouches. but on the downhill of their careers. Jeff was better in Washington and Griffith was better pre injury.

@@bmsuperstar1no isiah?

We'll said. You said the magic words -combo guard.

Here's the funny thing... If I had to bet my life on it, I would bet that Steph WILL catch Magic. The modern player ages so well, and Steph is showing no signs of slowing down. I think he'll get there, but yeah, he just doesn't have the resume, dominance or accolades that Magic had... yet.

​@@jonnyarnettI don't know, Steph is older and he needs help from others stars so no. Also PGs are extinct nowadays

​@@jonnyarnetthe showed signs this year

​@@franagustin3094he won as the sole superstar literally 2 seasons ago ( sadly against my fav player)

@@rasenganb41vtxwhat signs?😂 U don’t think we watched the same guy

Playmaking, passing and defense are the only things he's better at

​@@KingcarterJ1002rebounding and Iq too, Dribbling too cause Magic has to faced defense but it s debatable

@@franagustin3094 he's not a better ball handler 🤣🤣 iq either maybe towards passing thats it . However you just call that playmaking like I said. Currys 3pt shot is so good it amplify's his ball handling to elite of the elite . Aint no one worried about magic popping a three bruh

@@franagustin3094 also curry is a pretty good rebounder 6 a game ain't bad for 6'3 . Also magics 6'8 if you getting more rebounds than a 6'3 player you ass

Pound for pound Steph’s better at shooting,scoring , rebounding and defense!! Magic at passing!

Ironically enough, Shaq led to the less traditional big man and slow post play focused basketball of the last 15 years or so. It was in response to shaq’s dominance that the 04-05 7 seconds or less phoenix suns, who accepted that they couldn’t stop shaq, as so many teams were attempting to do, and built a smaller, pace based line up with Stat at C. It was this team who changed the way the game is played and the pace with which it is played.

Hello there

-- Steph spreads the floor with his 3pt shooting, not his passing. The rules changed so much. The run-n-gun offense with Nash started the trend on top of rules changes. THEN...Steph started to spam the free flowing offense, defenses were handcuffed more, and boom, Steph crushed it. Steph changed the game, started by Nash and D'Antoni. I prefer Magic over Steph but depending upon who have you on your team, it's also whether you need to spread the offense (w/ Curry) or have a 6'9 PG who can play modern day center (Magic) in switches -- b/c like Jokic, Magic can see over the defense.

@paulscanlan57 I don't think the Suns 7 seconds or less offense was in response to Shaq. And the Suns didn't change the game. They laid a blueprint that the league didn't fully adopt until Steph emerged.

That's such a casual take. Shaq changed how defense is played. Fouling players who can't shoot FTs was due to Shaq dominance, that teams has players just to take fouls because of how dominant Shaq was.

Bruh if people would hold up and take a step back and look at curry career, he definitely isn't anywhere near magic or anyone else in the top 10 for that matter. I honestly have never seen as much hype for a player as him. He's extremely overrated. He isn't even top 40 in points scored and is behind Gary Payton who wasn't a scorer and trails current players like chris Paul, who, also, isn't even a scorer. He also isn't top 40 in assist and trails players like Derek Harper and Avery Johnson, who weren't stars, and current players like Conley and Holliday. So what are his achievements? He's the all-time 3 point leader. But wasn't ray Allen the leader for years? Allen is also top 25 in scoring but never heard talk of him as top 10 all-time. Curry has had more co-allstars, for finals runs, than any other player ever. Compared to Jordan who had 1 co-allstar for 4 out of 6 of his rings. Curry has had 3 other all-star teammates for 2 of his rings and gets a pass for losing to the raptors when 2 of the other 3 got hurt but what did magic do when his all-star teammate got hurt as a rookie? What did Jordan do when pippen got back spasms before game 6, 98? They stepped up and closed out the series but curry gets a pass, even with another all-star teammate playing?? Lmao The guy was not the best player in the league for 13 out of 14 of his seasons and wasn't even the best player on his team for 2 of his rings. He's overrated AF and definitely ain't no where near magic or the top 10 for that matter!

@@MJIZZELthis is an absolutely terrible argument 😂…. How many unanimous mvps exist? I’ll wait… There’s only 3 point guards in history that have led teams to titles and steph is 1 of 2 that led a dynasty… steph is absolutely top 10 and not 10… give me steph curry over bird, shaq, hakeem, and wilt every day of the week… just because you want to bring up longevity stats is absolutely criminal.. so in your opinion I guess MJ isn’t a top 5 player ever because his stats definitely don’t support his greatness

@@OffTopicKamah thanks for exemplifying the fan boy persona I alluded to in my reply! Figured the lure wouldn’t linger to long before an ambitious fanboy would bite. Yes you are correct on the unanimous mvp you brought up and I thank you for doing so because it further helps to reinforce part of my original comment when I said “he was not the best player in the league for 13 out of his 14 seasons”! Hiow generous of you to help me out with one of my original points about steph. Then of course, as I predicted in my reply, again, you just stating one of the points I made originally, as if it somehow becomes your own statement in debate, you bring of steph and 3 pointers. Woohoo he made more 3’s. Why not ray allen top ten since 3’s gets you in. Stupid and lame af. That’s all you fan boys have and you know it too don’t ya? That’s why you said it differently than I because the 3 pointers and unanimous mvp arguments, are your only fanboyish talking points when debating about the most overrated player in league history. Refute my arguments. Not just call them terrible. You win no points that petty way. Lmao that you think steph “led his team to titles” because as I already stated, he wasn’t Even the best player on his own damn team for 2 of them. Again the guy has had more help than anyone, ever. Yes I criticized him for longevity stats and here is why. The players in the top 10 are either in the top 10 for peak performance and accolades, or cumulative stats. Steph isn’t top 10 in any of it. What for???? Most 3 pointers?? His rings don’t mean much because of the amount of help he had. Plus the fact that guys like Kobe 86% and Jordan 73% of the teams they played against in the playoffs were 50 win teams. Curry with his loaded teams faces 50 win teams, 62% of the time. Should I keep going? Wanna talk about his playoff point rankings or per game points? Neither are great. Jordan has accolades and highest peak rings and was the league alpha Kobe accolades and longevity rings alpha Wilt has the most records alpha Kareem accolades , rings longevity, alpha Magic accolades rings total assist rankings Bird accolades, rings alpha 3 straight mvp Curry:3 point leader, unanimous mvp the only year he was the alpha THATS IT for him compared to some of the top 10! The criticisms I can apply to curry that I stated above, DONT APPLY TO THE OTHER PLAYERS IN THE TOP TEN! The guy made like 1 all nba 3rd team for the 5 years before Kerr arrived and won 1 playoff series.. Then Klay and draymond and KD arrived. Then as they win 1 ring then 2 more with the most loaded team ever with steph playing second fiddle to kd, he then becomes 3 point leader and wins another ring with his first finals mvp. In his finals wins, he’s had 2 other all stars and 3 other all stars. No one has had that much help and still didn’t win 3 in a row. Dynasty is stretch my guy. That resume is top 10??? Yaw smoking some good stuff these days. It’s called hype. Don’t comeback at me criticizing my facts just because you don’t like em. Debate me on the facts or F off and keep pretending. Either way, the guy not def ain’t top 10.

@@OffTopicKamah and to say that crap about Jordan only because you don’t comprehend my argument. Well let’s look at it then. Jordan is what 5th on scoring list? Too 5 in steals. Top 2 in blocks by a guard. Yes those are longevity stats. See how your statement is dumb AF?! Why is he that high up without a long career compared to the others on the leader board. Because he had such a high peak that his per game stats get him there. Again, does that apply to curry? Fk no and you know it. The guy has most 3’s and only unanimous mvp. That’s his resume. He ain’t no pg that’s led his team to a title or whatever nonsense you stated. For one, he ain’t a good pint guard. If so then he wouldn’t be so far down the line in assist and definitely didn’t lead his team in 2 of those titles. It’s all fanboy hype. The guy has had more help and an easier path than anyone ever.

@OffTopicKamah. "give me steph curry over bird, shaq, hakeem, and wilt" You are straight up delusional bro.

What a bum. Imagine not getting 10 rings before 30. lol

@gogeya_lp 💯💯

your basing your opinion on a concencious and not their actual games from them

@@mzdfresh6129 I'm not basing my opinion on it, I just expanded on the arguments that Jonny already made in this video based on their careers. The totality of all those arguments make up my opinion

Point guard ranking and all time player ranking is way different bro . Different positions in the top all time

@@gogeta_lp i’m saying that u said the concencious is magic is top 5 and curry is barely top ten and how that’s another valid point when it just isn’t

Clearly Steph never had to face talented teams like that.

what about rockets 2018

@@user-mp7pu1zq7p they Rockets are not as good as any of the teams I listed, because they're all champions. Magic Johnson only lost to championns.

I will happen, I promise you that. lol. I do appreciate the support though! Means a lot

It happens occasionally but that’s what makes life fun, great work bro it’s appreciated

Jonny is the best!!!! but he does have his bias. You can see him get annoyed often when defending old school players or mentality kinda like this video. He seems a bit pissed and wants to defend magic. I think

"No bias" dudes a Kobe fanatic/apologist

@@Gixsir Well rightfully so. Magic didnt play god like basketball just for some 10 year olds to talk his greatness down.

I know! I would love to hear em. I do plan on streaming on this channel again with Apex Greatness. That would be a great topic

and? do you need to win fmvp as a rookie to be the best at your position?

​@@sksksjsjsja magic has a way more complete resume as well

the injuries for steph didn't destroy anything, he straight wouldn't have dominated from season 1, Adam Silver changing the rulebook helped them win, and getting a coach to unlock your potential and style did as well

@@theonlygoodonehere2259Steph was averaging 24/8 on near 50/40/90 with Mark Jackson what r u talking ab

@theonlygoodonehere2259 you can not read. I said nothing about his injuries destroying anything, but it's a fact his injuries curtailed him a bit his first few years in the league. magic didn't dominate his rookie season. He wasnt an allstar or best rookie. The best rookie that year was Bird, and he took a 29-win team to 61 without a top 2 player in the league, and was all nba first team. Curry was all nba before Kerr got there, and the rule change happened before he got into the league. What're you talking about?

​@@remnant8898 magic did dominate in his rookie year, never said he had the most dominant rookie year, if he went to the championship and won finals mvp at rookie year, he dominated, no other way to put it, he averaged 18 ppg, 7 ast, 7-8 rebounds, on 53% FG, he dominated, curry couldn't literally anything, he was only making all stars, couldn't get passed the 2nd round without rule changes and without kerr, no mvp's either, end of discussion

@theonlygoodonehere2259 you don't know what you're talking about. Averaging 18/7/7 on 53/22/81 isn't dominating. He had a very good year, and the only reason he won fmvp is because Kareem went down in game 5, and they didn't want to give it to him while injured. Currys stats at 18/5/6 on 46/44/88 splits are comparable to Magic, except he didn't have anywhere near as good a team like the Lakers. At least know what you're talking about before talking.

And I don’t just mean iconic games - just some random regular season games to see what they’re like on a regular basis

I think they should do this once the off-season starts

It was his own fault but that doesn't make steph better as it strengthen his argument even more. Magic clears 1 FMVP Curry

Your argument makes sense if longevity was more important than other metrics, but its not, its arguably the least important metric when considering the GOAT of anything. Magic not having a long career and still accomplishing more strenghtens the rest of his argument, doesn't diminish it.

@@chocamocha4541you know Steph has 2 fmvp but the media had other plans come on now

@@DebasedAnon Magic played 13 seasons (12 if we don't include the 96 season where he played 32 games) and Steph played 14 (13 if we don't include the 2020 season where he played 5 games). Using MVPs and FMVPs to compare them is also stupid because everyone knows MJ deserved at least one of those which Magic got (Jonny even said so in his true mvps video) and Iggy robbed Steph of an FMVP in 2015. Let's look at it objectively: ·Steph has been ever so slightly more efficient (62.7% ts when the league average has been 55.1 so that's +13.79% rts. Magic averaged 61% ts when the league average was 53.7% so that's +13.59% rts). ·Steph has been a way better volume scorer (24.6 ppg when the league average has been 105 ppg, so 23.4% of the game's points while Magic averaged 19.5 ppg when the league average ppg was 108.8, so only 17.9% of the game's points). ·Both of them have been very average defenders throughout their careers, Steph started off as a below average defender but has bulked up over the past few years and turned into a decent team defender. ·Magic is definitely the better passer but he's not a much better playmaker because Steph's scoring is much better and he provides the best spacing ever so that opens up a lot of playmaking opportunities in itself. ·Magic is a slightly better rebounder. (7.2rpg when the league average has been 43.7 vs 6.5 when the league average has been 43.3 for Steph) ·Magic averages way more assists but that doesn't mean much because Steph doesn't even run point most of the time (GSW has always had multiple ball handlers, Dray, Livingstone, Iggy etc) and is more of a combo guard. No one calls Stockton a better passer because he averaged more assists than Magic.

@@DebasedAnon now when u use context, Magic had played with the greatest center ever and their 3rd best player was prob a top 3 small forward in the league. the 80s were simply not more talented and had far less abundance of talented players compared to Stephs era. Also, all the versions of the warriors are great but that teams whole identity is predicated on Stephs greatness. Magic had stacked teams in a less competitive era/decade. Like he said the gap is much closer than ppl want to make it seem

Fair points af

The Lakers beat the '76ers in 80' and 82', the Celtics in '85 and '87, and the Badboy Pistons in '88. The East had nothing on Magic and the Lakers

the lakers won 5 chips that decade, and were in the finals most of the other years. also, great as kareem was, he couldn't win shit in la before magic got there, aside from individual accolades.

​​@@ComeQuicklyYeshuaapparently you didn't watch any of those games kid, the Lakers wre stacked with hall of famers and a loaded bench.

@@laz0rama Kinda like the first half of Jordan's career. No Pippen, no rings

ring another ring

@@EthanIzeta corrected. Thank you

He would win another ring with Shaq and kobe

@@easylife6348 nah. The Jazz weren't losing to any west team In 97-98. Especially because although Kobe was good, he tended to fold in the playoffs in the 90s

Hard to say when doing a what if revisionist scenario. Magic and Worthy aren't beating Portland in 91-92. Too Deep. Remember Barkley said his agent told him he was being traded to the Lakers in 92-93, and the Sixers pulled out the last second. Maybe if Magic is there and 33 years old by then, he pushes Jerry West to make the trade happen. Chuck in his prime with a 33 year old Magic is enough to get back to the Finals obviously since Chuck was good enough to carry the Suns with KJ, but the Suns were deeper. Worthy was carrying the Lakers pretty well on his own in 91-92, but injured his knee and needed surgery and was never the same. Maybe that never happens if he doesn't have to carry the load that season with Magic and he was only 31 in 92-93, but you have to imagine Sixers would want most of the Lakers depth in return. Can that team beat the Sonics in 93 playoffs like Chuck Suns could? Not so sure. Chuck needed a hard fought 7 games with a deeper Suns than the Lakers would have been. We may have seen Bulls vs Sonics in 93. Without Chuck, and say Worthy now never gets hurt, i don't see them getting past the deep Blazers or Chuck Suns or Sonics and when things were wide open in 94-95, i have a hard time imagining anyone beating Hakeem at his apex. Never count out Jerry West to make some moves, but likely he has to wait until Shaq joins the team and they get tons of depth now you ask yourself if 37 year old Magic is enough to make the 96-97 Lakers contenders when they were beat by the Jazz in 5 and then swept by the Jazz in 98 when Magic would have been 38. I don't see Magic ever winning another.

THIS _inn'it funny how in this era of so-called "position-less basketball" we still insist on comparing players all-time as though they play a position..._ Steph is a combo guard he compares a lot better to A.I., the Logo, or Pistol - not Magic, Kidd or Cousy.

That is true but even comparing them statistically, it's no comparison. I seem to be in the minority of fans but I don't really see what the hype is about curry. Dude definitely isn't top 10 and imo, is barely inside the top 20. Curry is behind guys like Gary Payton on the all-time scoring list, 43rd, and trails guys like Avery Johnson and Derek Harper on the assist list, outside the top 20. He's already had a 14 year career and is behind several other active players in scoring. Are we really gonna place that much emphasis on him leading the all-time list in 3's?? I didn't hear anyone proclaiming ray Allen as the goat, or placing him top 10 when he sat atop the 3 list for years! And to touch on Curry's rings. No other all time great or top 10 player has 3 other All-stars on the roster when they won a ring. Look at guys like Jordan and Kobe. Jordan had a co all-star in pippen for 4-6 rings. Kobe had 1 co all-star for his 5. Yet curry has had multiple co- All-stars for all 4 of his rings. Hell I even make the case that not only was curry not the best player on his own team for 2 of those rings but in his entire 14 year career, curry wasn't even the best player in the league for 13-14 seasons. What other goat candidate can you say that about. Hell even olajuwon was the best player in the league for 2 seasons there The young ones can keep feeding and eating the hype all they want but I'm not buying into it one bit. Curry is not top 10 and reality isn't top 15.

​@@MJIZZELplease get out if you're going to talk about all stars. That's a popularity contest.

@@miloszchmielewski1271 may be true, but what other metric should we use to gauge the level of success of any given player? All NBA selections?. You don't become an all-star without standing out originally to be voted on as such, so when I use the cover-all term of (all-star), I am using it in reference to the level of talent curry, or others, have had the luxury of playing with and I'm sure you understood my intent. So we can either sit and debate the semantics of a label or you can man up, leave the strawman be, and refute the accusations I've made. No other players in the top 10 or top 15 for that matter, have had the leniency of playing with multiple other star players throughout their careers as much as the overrated player curry has. He's getting compared to magic for what?, Becoming the all time 3 point leader? Then if curry should Garner as much fanboy praise as he has, then why wasn't ray Allen being annoited as a goat candidate when he led the league in 3's? He's higher on the scoring list than curry so why not?

@@MJIZZELthis is such a old head take lmao

Nah, you always need someone who has the ball. It could be a talent like Lebron, Magic or a limited player like Draymond or Pippen but you can't win a title without someone who runs the offense

​@@franagustin3094 i agree and steph does actually run the offense but he also allows draymond to initiate at times. stephs style has clearly worked he has 4 rings to show for it and has obvi been the best player every one of those rings. besides steph haters no one considered KD better than him

Man that just gave me a headache when they showed that magic, Kobe, and Shaq could have ended up playing together. That should not be legal!

Curry is efficient wdym? Also efficiency was one of Kobe’s greatest weaknesses. If the narrative is to overlook efficiency, that helps Kobe

Lew Alcindor and Kareem are the same person. He changed his name after graduating from college.

@@ron88303 I saw him play as Kareem. Never saw him as Alcindor with the Bucks when he won his first title

You dont need to diminish players while praising others. Kareem & Kobe both played 20 years yet you felt the need to somehow turn LeBrons unprecedented production this late in his career against him..? Makes no sense to say its an "embellishment" to praise LeBrons longevity as he arguably had the second or third greatest prime in NBA history behind MJ and/or Shaq. Just to give an example and shed some light on his dominance at his prime, hes the ONLY player next to MJ to win a ring, finals mvp, regular season mvp, 1st team all nba AND 1st team all defense in two consecutive seasons. Not Bird, Kareem, Magic or Shaq ever did that and this is all while being robbed of DPOY by losing it to a guy who didnt even get voted 1st team all defense.

agreed, Steph has a claim but as with everything in this generation people take things to the upmost polarity and extremes. Steph developed skillsets as a player's has firmly put him in a position where he can contest all time great's. it's tangible - shooting, ball handling, finishing, iq, selflessness, work ethic, competitiveness is all there and can't be debated. Magic also has an exhaustive list as well obviously. Magic was dominate in ways we don't like to highlight but he was a unicorn and had the skillset. This gives him an edge, imo but it's not by a lot now as it was a couple yeas ago.

@@youngblood4127 i also think that for me steph just has to mostly play out his career and if he doesn't surpass magic by then, he will at least for me sit tied with him as the goat pg. Its the same thing as the jordan-lebron debate with some of my friends they simply think at the bare minimum if lebron isnt the goat, when he retires he will either sit tied or ahead of jordan.

​@@youngblood4127 how is he competitive if he said himself "you need to build a stacked team to win" he straight up with draymond went after KD because the moment got too big for him, instead of not seeing that your team is 1 win away from going back2back, and see what went wrong and changing things up on the offense, like helping harrison become more consistent and mold him, he ran and got KD, derrick rose was given a chance at getting bron and dwade, and he straight up didn't pick the phone bc he didn't want to win that way, jordan hates when someone does things like that, so does magic, which is also why bron will never catch mj either

Steph is on the 11th to 9th range while Magic is a legit GOAT candidate that can be perfectly placed at 3rd or 4th, that's not close at all.

Sounds like lebron no lie

​@@staywavee6474there are definitely comparisons, but if you ask those of us who watched Magic and are still watching LeBron, the comparison in execution is just not comparable.

Depends what you're talking about. Curry is top 10 all time for peak performance but he's arguably not top 10 greatest

I think magic at this point is better, but Magic could of played way longer if he didn't get HIV. Should of worn protection