You‘re welcome Jason! - Gregory

Thanks for sharing Cody! From an efficiency standpoint, pressing straight up is a better way to do it. - Gregory

Does middle delt work only when you do side pressing?

I appreciate that! I hope the tips are helpful! - Gregory

Great to hear! - Gregory

Glad it was helpful!

Happy to help!

Happy to help!

You're welcome!

You‘re welcome! Since you bring your elbow „to the middle“; aligning it under your wrist joint, your shoulder is already in a state of flexion. This means that you arms do move forward to a certain extent. If the weights get heavier and I still aim to strict press it for example, I tend to lean back a little to bring the weight closer to my center of mass. I hope this helps! - Gregory

Exactly! - Gregory

Well said!

Targeting the side delts by flaring out isnt wrong....its different...with a different target

@@signkutter9218 the whole purpose of keeping the elbow in front of the body, and NOT moving laterally, is to move on to the next skill, the Push Press. That leads to the Jerk. The Press, when staying in the front of the body, allows for the elbows to reach the iliac crest (front of the hip). This allows the Lifter to employ the hip thrust VERTICALLY and not forward or sideward. If a lifter does not learn the proper plane of movement for the press, then the Push Press and Jerk will NEVER reach itself optimum potential. Gregory demonstrates this movement perfectly for a reason. If you employ a lateral press (which engages the side Delt) you will NEVER learn how to launch from the hips straight up. That’s what I mean by wrong way. I never said you couldn’t move laterally, however any lateral movement will not allow for the Lifter to Push Press or Jerk with any real power

@@VegasMoe Yep, I get it,,,but keeping the kettlebell in the correct position for the movement chain leaves out the side delts...side delts are a great thing to have in balance with the rest of the shoulder muscles...I use a more stable form a Scaption Press in corporated with a clean and jerk with a stable isolated flared out press...it hits the side delts much more than the "correct" version. I dont launch from the hips in this version...Clean gets the kettle bells racked...the elbows go out to the sides, the press happens totally powered by the shoulders with no "push" from the hips or legs. All in slow motion As much as i enjoy and learn from Lebe Stark instruction...i am not looking to be a Kettle Bell expert in as much as i am looking to incorporate the great benefits of Kettlebell dynamics into my own goals for strength and conditioning. I also do the proper movement when i am concentrating on the front delts

@@signkutter9218 Understood. I believe Gregory is teaching this specific "method" so that it leads to the next skill(s). A progression if you will. Again, to reiterate what I said before, most people press, push press, and jerk laterally. That movement plane is very close to what a person would do with a dumbbell. Dumbbells and Kettlebells are 2 different objects. They CAN be used in similar ways, however in order to really maximize your skill level, you might want to consider learning more of a "straight up" path. I realize you may have no desire to employ that particular path, but I do believe if you ever want to develop the POWER to put as much weight as you can in the Top Position, you might want to learn the KB Sport "straight up" path. Respect to you.

Great to hear you got it right from the start Mark! - Gregory

I too do this, use the glass reflection especially when squatting and doing C+P. It is good to try and check your own form and make sure silly things like you are hinging enough. Its a really good tip actually for people.

Both are okay Nico. It's two ways of pressing. The straight up version demonstrated in the video is the most efficient (and in my eyes beneficent) way to press for many people. - Gregory

Thanks for sharing Chris! A certain level of imbalance is normal and something many of us have to live with. - Gregory

@@lebe-stark sure thing, i've been using heavy tools daily; hammers, nail guns, spanners etc in my right hand for well over a decade so it is not entirely suprising.

Something that might help, I recently started C&P with my 24kg and had to use a push press to get the weight up. Then I use a slow negative and was able to do 3 sets of 3 reps and will keep working this until I can do a strict press. Also, I always work up to the level of my less stronger arm and try to reduce any imbalance. Otherwise, yes it could be a volume problem and Mark Wildman has some excellent videos on how to convert volume sets of different weights.

@@nathanvandendungen4450 nice, mark wildmans videos have been a good source of information also so i'll have a look for something specific to reducing imbalance through volume with different weights. I have been doing the push press and slow negative for about 8 weeks, similar being 3 x 5 reps. I've without doubt increased in power but it feels like a sudden stall in rate of progression just on my lefthand side thanks for the suggestions

Thanks for helping out Nathan! - Gregory

Yes, because most Hardstyle/RKC guys never press up in a straight line.

@@lebe-stark thanks for the answer. Pressing it as shown in your video feels healthier in my shoulder.

NO. and I'll tell you why. That position that he shows is identical to what Gymnasts do when finishing every skill in a Handstand. It's very stable and can support weight extremely well.

There is a variation called "Scaption" or "Side Press" which might work more muscle mass. Pressing up in a straight line is the most efficient way to press. I'd say we both are right. - Gregory

Pavel isnt wrong...he is describing a slightly different movement. I train both of these movements

@@signkutter9218 I didn't say Comrade Pavel was wrong. Nor did I say Lebe was wrong. I've watched many videos regarding the Press and it's always stressed to do it one way. No one explains the difference between the two. If you make a video and stress to do it one way, "the right way" but you know that there is another acceptable way then it should be fully explained. The KettleBell moves are much more technical in their movements and not fully explaining that there are two, or more, ways to complete the exercise leaves beginners, or more experienced users learning new moves, confused. I think Lebe has a great channel with great instructional and informational videos, but Comrade Pavel wrote the book, literally.

@@lebe-stark I think I already commented this in another video, but I believe there's an argument to be made about overhead pressing following the so called "scapular plane". And is not a side press, it's a normal overhead press where you just flare your elbow a little bit, around a 45 degree angle, like when performing a pushup or a bench press. I'm not saying that's the most effcient way to press, but I think that's where most of the people can apply the most force when pressing overhead. As always, two different techniques that should be used according to your own specific goals, but I'm pretty shure that if you were to try and press the most ammount of weight overhead, without turning it into a side press, you would flare your elbow a little trying to find the scapular plane. On the other hand, if you are doing a set of multiple overhead presses or jerks for time, as fast and efficiently as possible with submaximal weights, then shure, flaring your elbow each time would be a waste of energy and time. Anyway, great video as always. Keept it up.

The human body prefers efficiency; so from that standpoint a press where the shortest distance is covered is better. - Gregory

I agree. I learned the military press from SFG practitioners and my teacher presses side. To me, it also feels better. So for me, that is more "efficient" - I can press much more weight when I press hard style (side).

​@@lebe-stark "The human body prefers efficiency" Sure. And efficiency helps with endurance. But not necessarily with the stimulus for muscle growth. The two movements are neither right nor wrong, they are focuses on different goals. To frame it otherwise is inaccurate.

If you're looking for structure, check out our courses: academy.lebestark.ch - Gregory

This channel isn‘t about Bodybuilding Tom. Let us know if you need directions to the Generation Iron forum! 💪 - Gregory

@@lebe-stark oh so results don't matter here? I'll leave quietly. Last time checked even CrossFit people actually developed muscle and 90% of what they do is wrong. Enjoy being weak and ordinary. Happy Thanksgiving

@@tommcgivern8020 If your understanding of results (and strength) is only limited to building muscle, you seem to be having a pretty narrow minded opinion of human performance. - Gregory

Dude I’m into cycling as well and there are bodybuilders in those topics making the same sort of comments about a totally different topic. It’s really weird😂😂

Different body goals. Some people don't want to be a pumped up loaf who can lift a boulder for 15 seconds before gassing out.