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Lasers and Saws

Lasers and Saws

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This video shows how to use food grade TIO2 (titanium dioxide) in place of spray paint to engrave on ceramic tiles. It's a much cleaner and faster way to engrave with your diode laser.
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@SarbarMultimedia
@SarbarMultimedia Жыл бұрын
A diode laser does not usually burn a clean round dot to emulate image pixels . It has a rectangular or oval footpint that prevents high resolution engraving. on wood, glass, slate and other materials. However this method of using TiO2 is unique in the way that it converts white material into black. It is not a burning or chemical reaction but a simple melting and fusing process between the glass on the tile and the TiO2. Heating the TiO2 converts it from a superfine white powder where it reflects the light to a little solid blob of TiO2 that absorbs the light. This black blob melts and aglomorates into a little ROUND blob (by capilliary action) at over 2000C and the glass on the tile melts at about 1400C, to form a liquid puddle in which the black blob floats. These two melted materials cool to form something that is best imagined as frogsspawn or maybe the white and yellow of an egg when you crack it into a pan. This unique action of creating round black DOTS is capable of producing images at about 500ppi. The bigger the tile and the bigger the image the more impressive this process becomes. Bigger images take an age with a diode laser but this process works equally well with a CO2 laser but 4 to 6 times faster. I have used airbrushing, it is prone to clogging and is very messy. The simple spray bottle technique is best but requires the right sort of spray nozzle and more coats to get an even finish. The IPA evaporates almost instantly so it takes but a few moments before you can overcoat. Note the use of rubber gloves , it might be just a food grade white powder but it bonds to your skin and takes a a LOT of washing off. This is an excellent video that explains the technique very well.and the results are very impressive . This is also one of the few useful applications for the matrix test to attain the best parameters. Don't bypass this vital inital experiment.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Very informative, thank you.
@RUSSIAN_SPY_INC
@RUSSIAN_SPY_INC 9 ай бұрын
explain it clearly and impressively why don't you lol. so what do you know about Space lasers? lol
@Sulfhur1k
@Sulfhur1k 8 ай бұрын
Can you point me towards learning more about diode lasers and their effects on specific compounds? I am by far not a chemist but am interested. You mention that this is not a chemical reaction, and those temperatures you mentioned - what sources are these from? I agree, the end result is extremely impressive
@SarbarMultimedia
@SarbarMultimedia 8 ай бұрын
@@Sulfhur1k Hi I am just a very inqusative retired engineer that has been studying the whole non-metal cutting laser technology for about 8 years. There are so many aspects of this technology that people just observe and use without ever understanding the science that underpins it. Doide lasers are a fiaily recent (and still developing ) means of "damaging" materials and your question is equivalent to asking "how long is a piece of string|?" There is no single answer. You observe an effect that a laser has on a material , be it UV, diode, fibre or one of the gas lasers (CO2 and YAG ) and you then get drawn into specific aspects of physics, optics and chemisry as you try to decode what youhave seen. Most take for granted what they see, and are perfectly happy to just use something that woks without question. If you do stop and ask a question, the chances are that is is not a specifically reserched subject so there is no easy answer. . In this case there is no reference work that you can turn to that explains how white paint on a white glazed tile and a laser beam interact to causes an indelible black result. I came to this subject when a diode laser correspondent asked if the Norton white tile method was possible with a CO2 laser.? There were many You tube "experts" explainng the best way to get super results but none that expained the science behind the "magic". Thus, to answer my correspondent's question meant I had to dig deep to understand the science behind the technology. You may wish to view a couple of videos that step through my reaserch and proof of the fascinating properties of Titanium dioxide. See kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y7JpZ6egnZfaXac.html and kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h92lnch6udbMdqc.html There is a further unpublished short video that demontrates the amazing potential of this process see kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iryXoNJ_lt3Qmqc.html
@joel6427
@joel6427 4 ай бұрын
@@Sulfhur1k@Sulfhur1k I'm no scientist, but I own both lasers. The Co2 laser will cut any color of Acrylic, and the beam is round, giving it better results in the context of accuracy. Higher wattages are found with the Co2 laser. You can't beat the price of diode lasers and much less painful when they are degrading compared to the Co2 lasers. I completely used up my first $40k CO2 laser, and my 2nd $29k model is down to maybe 20 watts from the original 50 watts.
@jborgstrom7897
@jborgstrom7897 Жыл бұрын
Awesome info! Thanks! I had already purchased some TiO2 with the intention of trying this. Glad to know it will work!
@BobBob-eh5sb
@BobBob-eh5sb 4 ай бұрын
I tried this the other day. The spray bottle I had worked, but couldn’t get a real smooth coat. Had some bubbles. Tried a brush and a few coats. Came out pretty good. Finally I just poured it on the tile and tilted it and let it flow over the tile. It dried pretty smooth and the engraving was the best one. I don’t think it really wasted the mixture any more than spraying when considering the overspray, or than the brush with multiple coats to even it out.
@briandowns7742
@briandowns7742 Жыл бұрын
Going to give this method a try for sure. Thanks for video.
@bigfranksworld
@bigfranksworld 7 ай бұрын
Wow, those came out amazing. Thank you!
@trimbandit9636
@trimbandit9636 6 ай бұрын
Greta video and I really like the wood positioning jig you made for your laser bed
@LA98dyna
@LA98dyna 5 ай бұрын
Love it man! Got a new sub....keep em' coming. Can't wait to experiment with this
@zina6581
@zina6581 9 ай бұрын
These are beautiful!
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for the nice compliment.
@acerjuglans383
@acerjuglans383 7 ай бұрын
Amazing detail.
@ltrick2387
@ltrick2387 Жыл бұрын
Well done. Thanks for doing this!!!
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@ellewisentinc
@ellewisentinc 10 ай бұрын
Thank you INCREDIBLE Video!!!
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 10 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@56effie
@56effie Жыл бұрын
If you could spin the tile while you're applying the mixture it would help to create a more even layer. *Advice we got from a friend who works in a lab that does nano-coating when my son and I asked him last year about doing this.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
That might be worth a try to get an even coat.
@56effie
@56effie Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws If I remember correctly he said it didn't have to be fast, you're not wanting to sling it off.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
@@56effie I wonder if an old turntable would work.
@TheFalconJetDriver
@TheFalconJetDriver Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws if you found a turntable with 78 rpm 45 rpm and 33 1/3 I believe it would work, and a drill with a piece of round wood with a bolt through the center of the wood work too!
@johngrimoldy7637
@johngrimoldy7637 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws Heck, I'll bet a cheap lazy susan would work.
@CNCATHome
@CNCATHome Жыл бұрын
Nice video! Thank you for sharing. Experimenting with TiO2 is on my list and I have everything I need other than the time. ;-) I was going to use denatured alcohol and a brush. I was wondering if a spray bottle would work so that was also on my list to experiment with. Your results look fantastic. I like the clean up with just water.
@babbagebrassworks4278
@babbagebrassworks4278 Жыл бұрын
This is really cool, never would have thought white powder goes black. TiO2 does absorb UV so that is probably why a diode laser works. It would be interesting to try this with other oxide powders, those that colour concrete would be cheap. Red, yellow, black and? Hmm hardware store has 1Kg for $15, Black, Red, White, Bluestone(grey), Chocolate, Sandstone.
@Muscle_81
@Muscle_81 9 ай бұрын
Very well explained video and BOTH thumbs up for it XD Please continue and I have a question for you or users who have experience with BLACK porcelain.Can this mixture also be used on black porcelain or does it not need to be pretreated at all?
@michaelhomann179
@michaelhomann179 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid.
@SweCookie
@SweCookie Жыл бұрын
Note for anyone trying this: use a good respirator with a particle filter when handling the titanium dioxide powder. It is a carcinogen and you do not want to get lung cancer from breathing in the powder/fumes :)
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Good advise. I wear one every time including when using paint.
@BobsWoodStuff
@BobsWoodStuff 9 ай бұрын
This is a great way to color the tiles. And I already have the ingredients. Thanks for the info. You statement that breathing the TI02 powder is not worse than spray paint might not true. TI02 is a known carcinogen when inhaled.
@owatagi
@owatagi 9 ай бұрын
Great video. One question: is that 50/50 mix by volume?
@stewall101
@stewall101 Жыл бұрын
Great information, thanks. Where did you get your images?
@Martina1192
@Martina1192 9 ай бұрын
Couple of questions- what do you use tiles for? Just like art or coasters or…? And where did you get the files? Love them! Thanks! :)
@olivierw7405
@olivierw7405 9 ай бұрын
I think you can even use isopropylic for cleaning the tiles before spreading the TiO2 and the process will be cheaper again.
@GarrisonFall
@GarrisonFall Жыл бұрын
I've never heard of this art technique before (laser engraving ceramic tiles?) It looks impressive.
@beer1for2break3fast4
@beer1for2break3fast4 Жыл бұрын
Look up Norton white tile method
@GarrisonFall
@GarrisonFall Жыл бұрын
@@beer1for2break3fast4 Thanks. I will.
@mikeren033
@mikeren033 Жыл бұрын
I just tried this not too long ago, I'm still working my mix out but I have found if you sift the Ti02 it mixes easier.
@jakerazmataz852
@jakerazmataz852 Жыл бұрын
Amazing. I love the Captain America. Oh, how long did these take ? Laser power?
@gerryturley6070
@gerryturley6070 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@idmnstr
@idmnstr 22 күн бұрын
I just found this video. Thank you for this alternative to paint. After the washing, Do you have to seal it against water?
@AlexejLangr
@AlexejLangr Жыл бұрын
which method you use I mean diether or line to line I watch every your video please just continue you are amazing
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
I used Jarvis on these. 10 watt laser at 5000 mm/m and 45% power. You might need different speed and power for your laser.
@brucejomms
@brucejomms Жыл бұрын
Perhaps you could mention in future videos your image preparation.... are you using NWT method through ImagR??
@ivanortegagarcia588
@ivanortegagarcia588 10 ай бұрын
Wow! I just found this video and it is spectacular, really spectacular. I only have one question, titanium dioxide, where can you buy it? A superb job!! Congratulations
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 9 ай бұрын
Amazon sells it.
@MakeBisnes
@MakeBisnes 7 ай бұрын
Very useful tip!! Tyvm! I wonder if this method can be used on glass, white acrylic, or any other white materials? It would be a game changer if does
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 7 ай бұрын
I know it will work on glass but I think acrylic would melt and not fuse to the tio2.
@cjmarshall0221
@cjmarshall0221 Жыл бұрын
I was so intrigued after seeing your video, I decided to give it a try. I purchased the Titanium Dioxide from Amazon, along with some fine spray bottles. When they arrived, I got to work, using the techniques described in the video. I had just created a piece, using white Dupont paint, but was unhappy with the results - too light. Because everything was already set, I figured to use the same setting to see what kind of difference - if any - would occur between the Titanium and the paint. The titanium piece came out so well I'm afraid to wash it. The image is just about perfect, and light years ahead of the paint. This is going to be my preferred method of burning images in tile from now on. Thanks much for sharing the information via the tutorial.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Glad to hear it's working for you. Since this video I have learned that a 50/50 ratio is to much. If you get clogging on your sprayer try @Giovanni-hh2jg suggestion of a 1 to 5 ratio. One part tio2 and 5 parts IPA. I have been using this mix now and it's much better. I'll be doing a video on this soon.
@cjmarshall0221
@cjmarshall0221 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws Thanks. I thought the mixture was a bit thick when I used it. But it worked fine. I'll keep it in mind when I mix a new batch.
@johngrimoldy7637
@johngrimoldy7637 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws : This is super helpful!! I've had a hard time figuring out the ratio and my spray bottles have gotten consistently clogged.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
@@johngrimoldy7637 Clogged spray bottles is the biggest downside I think. I need to find a better way to apply.
@signmasters99
@signmasters99 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws Try using aWD-40 spray bottle - I have a sign company and use them for denatured alcohol, adhesive remover and wet application fluid - all work well through it, as it is made to spray an oil.
@arnojones8566
@arnojones8566 Жыл бұрын
This is cool. Do you know if this technique will work on other surfaces?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
I think it works on glass, some rock, acrylic and probably other things.
@WG5Xradio
@WG5Xradio 11 ай бұрын
I have been researching this method a lot and plan on trying it next week. I was going to try an airbrush, but I saw several people, including you, say that it tends to clog. I found a couple of videos where people suggested using the Harbor Freight touch up spray gun. (61473, or 46719). I believe the nozzle on this is 0.8mm which is just a bit bigger than the 0.3mm or 0.5 mm of most airbrushes. They said it is just enough bigger that it doesn't clog. It is about 33 dollars. I picked one up yesterday, so I am going to give it a go. I already have a decent compressor so no added cost there. I'll let you know if it works.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 11 ай бұрын
Love to hear how it goes. Thanks for the comment.
@RobertLugg
@RobertLugg 10 ай бұрын
How did it turn out?
@WG5Xradio
@WG5Xradio 10 ай бұрын
@@RobertLugg Been out a town a lot and have not had a chance to try it yet. I've got some time off in October if I don't get to it before then.
@Sulfhur1k
@Sulfhur1k 8 ай бұрын
Would love to hear your expierence as well😊
@scorpianspirit5124
@scorpianspirit5124 10 ай бұрын
Great video my friend. So my question is about the tiles, have you used unglazed vs glazed tiles as well and do you have an opinion on that ? Thanks for posting your video, thumbs up !
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 10 ай бұрын
I have only used glazed so far.
@rebeltaz123
@rebeltaz123 7 ай бұрын
I tried unglazed tiles when I first got my laser. It's pretty much impossible to get the paint (or in this case TIO2 coating) off the unglazed tile cleanly.
@susanna1207
@susanna1207 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing! How many lines did you do at 45%, 5000? TIA
@dablet
@dablet 8 ай бұрын
did you turn on air assist or fume extractor??? would the tio2 blow away?
@Pietch65
@Pietch65 8 ай бұрын
Awesome tip! Is this process dishwasher-proof? The tiles could be good to use as coaster 🙂
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 8 ай бұрын
Yes it is permanent.
@babbagebrassworks4278
@babbagebrassworks4278 Жыл бұрын
Just got some Marble coasters today, after some great success with Bamboo Coasters and Black coated metal Business cards I thought I would get more ambitious with cheap white Marble coasters.
@johndeaux9987
@johndeaux9987 Жыл бұрын
add a drop or two of food coloring and it's easy to see what's covered and what's not.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Great suggestion.
@EricLetson-us3fe
@EricLetson-us3fe Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! I’m so glad there’s a non-paint method to do this. I really disliked the wait time with paint and chemicals needed to remove the remaining paint. You mentioned a 50/50 mix. Since you have a dry and wet ingredient, are you saying you put like 1/4 cup of powder and the same of the alcohol in the spray bottle?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Yes exactly. But it doesn't have to be exact. I just eye ball it.
@zumbafosto
@zumbafosto Жыл бұрын
IDK why everyone talks about the time for paint to dry and the excessive cleanup on paint. One of the first alterations I tried was to laser the wet paint immediately after spraying. Works great for me and the cleanup is super quick with a little acetone while the paint is still relatively wet. Do like his results and might be a good alternative tho.
@yourtimehomeinspections4354
@yourtimehomeinspections4354 Жыл бұрын
I use an 80/20 mixture and two coats with excellent results. 20g. Titanium dioxide and 80g. 99% alcohol. Defiantly the challenge has been finding a spray bottle that works.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
@@yourtimehomeinspections4354 I have gone thru so many spray bottles. None seem that great for the job. I tried airbrush but that clogs right away. Right now I'm trying a different mix and painting it on with a foam brush.
@markcook8516
@markcook8516 11 ай бұрын
@@zumbafosto But can you simply rinse your's with tap water?
@rebeltaz123
@rebeltaz123 7 ай бұрын
I know everybody is extolling the wonders that is TIO2, but I found that cheap, Plaid Folk Art acrylic craft paint - Snow White, to be exact - thinned down and sprayed through an airbrush produces the most excellent results. Super black engraving and it is easy as pie to wash off. Plus, it's a lot cheaper than any other method. But... to each their own 🤷‍♂
@monkeysausageclub
@monkeysausageclub Жыл бұрын
That's pretty awesome. Couple questions. How durable is it? Does it only work on white glazed tiles?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
I've only tried on white ceramic tiles but I think it works on any ceramic or glass. It's very durable. I couldn't scratch it off with a screw driver when I tried.
@HPDAMAN
@HPDAMAN 10 ай бұрын
@@lasersandsaws I love to hear that
@walesara54
@walesara54 2 ай бұрын
Great video and great results. Always looking at new methods. Titanium oxide in foods is now banned In Europe and I am certain the FDA are looking into it. Although the powder is available here food grade or not the reason for the ban is of course its carcinogenic. So the thought of spraying it into the air really bothers me even with a good mask. Like you say it's every where and if you touch it, it comes off. But really nice results.
@dubsdubsdubsdubsdubsdubs
@dubsdubsdubsdubsdubsdubs Ай бұрын
I am certainly not an expert but to my knowledge it is only harmful to your lungs. Like he says in the video, wear a respirator. There are also other methods of application to tile, i have seen some people mix the tio2 with glue and water then use a foam brush. But again, be careful when mixing.
@alwatts9713
@alwatts9713 3 ай бұрын
Nice. How durable have you found TI02 to be once you cleaned off your tiles? Do you need to be fairly gentle with the marking or is it mostly permanent? Thanks.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 3 ай бұрын
It's permanent.
@cynthiasymons
@cynthiasymons 7 ай бұрын
Measurement question: In the comments I saw that you used a 1:1 ratio measured by volume, for example, 1 Tbsp of alcohol to 1 Tbsp of titanium dioxide. How many tiles do you estimate that you could cover with that small amount?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 7 ай бұрын
This video might be more clear and it's a better way to apply tio2. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h65zosh918_LZnU.html
@Hanfle9580
@Hanfle9580 4 ай бұрын
I see a lot of videos about ingraiving on tails but only have one question. What to do with all these tails after? What is the purpose? Put on the wall or what?
@bc2725
@bc2725 8 ай бұрын
What laser engraver are you using? Great post!
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 8 ай бұрын
Roly lasermatic 10.
@00tntprice
@00tntprice Жыл бұрын
Thermark makes an excellent product that can be applied with an airbrush hat will last for many years, Black is durable as you need no need to treat the Tile at all
@d.f.2023
@d.f.2023 Жыл бұрын
super expensive with a short expiration period.
@mahmoudbadwan791
@mahmoudbadwan791 5 ай бұрын
Hi sir, how many watts laser power i should have to printing on ceramic?
@dragonshoarddesign3094
@dragonshoarddesign3094 4 ай бұрын
will this work on dark tiles, I have attempted twice with different settings no paint do titanium oxide. The laser made where it goes shiny not engraved. 20w diode laser.
@williamgarr8100
@williamgarr8100 Жыл бұрын
how durable is the print?
@AndrewR74
@AndrewR74 2 ай бұрын
I’d trust 50/50 by weight or volume?
@jimmyjones6389
@jimmyjones6389 Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this. Do you think it would work on things like cement planters or candle containers made with Cementall? I don't engrave tiles, just Cementall.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
I tried it on a rock and it worked. It might work on cement too.
@Reviews-Tidbits
@Reviews-Tidbits 9 ай бұрын
I tried this method, I have splotches , am I putting it on to heavy? I did test on text at 2000@30 to 70 on my I concluded that 40-45power was good. 22w diode.
@HWoodCreations
@HWoodCreations Жыл бұрын
That looks outstanding. Here's a dumb question....why can't you just laser the tile without applying this finish or paint?
@markcook8516
@markcook8516 11 ай бұрын
Because it doesn't work. TIO2 bonds to the surface, turning it black as well.
@peterferrie4761
@peterferrie4761 11 ай бұрын
Hi great results,how do you measure it out,what do you use to get the mix correct
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 11 ай бұрын
The mix really doesn't matter to much. Just thin it enough so it will spray without clogging.
@smhanov
@smhanov 4 ай бұрын
Is the 50% TO2/alcohol recipe by weight or volume?
@jbn0613
@jbn0613 Жыл бұрын
Does the mixture hold up to storage after you mix it up? Or do you mix before each session? Thanks for the video.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Holds up fine but it will separate so just shake it up real good before each spray.
@jbn0613
@jbn0613 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws Thank you. I’ll give it a try. 👍🏼
@Nutty2087
@Nutty2087 3 ай бұрын
50/50 by weight or by volume?
@dickwaters7950
@dickwaters7950 8 ай бұрын
Enjoyed your video. What power is your laser?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 8 ай бұрын
I used a 10 watt roly engraver.
@smithwyatt6470
@smithwyatt6470 4 ай бұрын
I would like to use this technique, BUT can you go over again how "inexpensive" this treatment is for someone like me who does not own a laser or possess the knowledge to write the program for the laser to create a tile design I see in my head?
@radesigns001
@radesigns001 Жыл бұрын
@lasersandsaws Could you tell me what type of images you used for this video? Halftone, greyscale, line art?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
I can send you a copy of the images if you want. Just email me so I know where to send. But the cpt america-ish one was a sketch. The other 2 were greyscale.
@Bogbrew
@Bogbrew 7 ай бұрын
For image processing, do you just pull in a raw image into lightburn and it just works or do you still process via Photoshop / imag-r first using the norton black tile method process?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 7 ай бұрын
I usually process in photoshop first.
@icmpeko
@icmpeko Жыл бұрын
Nice work - I've seen a TON of these videos and it looks like there is a "clean" way to get black on tiles at last! What do people do with the tiles, tho? 🤔
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
For me the tiles just pile up in the garage LOL.
@johngrimoldy7637
@johngrimoldy7637 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws Preah on, brutha!
@fingerstylesabahan8517
@fingerstylesabahan8517 Жыл бұрын
can i use ethyl alcohol 70% solution????
@TheDradge
@TheDradge Жыл бұрын
50%:50% by volume or weight?
@Martina1192
@Martina1192 9 ай бұрын
When you say 50:50, are you talking by weight or volume? Thanks! I have plenty of TD from my soaping. :)
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 9 ай бұрын
I did it by volume but it turns out the mix ratio isn't all that important. Some people report great results with only 20% Tio2.
@merrillalbury8214
@merrillalbury8214 Жыл бұрын
I guess you can't use air assist as it will blow off the to2.
@youmbgtube
@youmbgtube 10 ай бұрын
I have the Ortur LM3 10W and just couldn't get paint to work like on my other lower powered laser modules. I tried TiO2 with 91% isopropyl alcohol and magic occurred! I tried a few spray bottles but photo etches did not come out that great. I also bought 2 small detail HVLP guns but they did not work that great. I then purchased a higher end airbrush - Eclipse HP-BCS Airbrush. I use a 3:1 ratio by weight and spray 4 coats. It dries almost instantly so it goes pretty quick. For me the coating doesn't just blow off the surface so I can coat extras and store them for later use. I typically etch at 5000/17% for 423dpi. Issue I have is, even when using a DIY spray booth I get lots of bounce back spray (I use 30psi). I get excellent repeatability and may need to re-think the spray booth to have top side suction. Any help on the overspray appreciated.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 10 ай бұрын
I ended up making a booth and installing a ventilation fan on the back wall with a filter. Made a big difference containing the spray. The way I did it in the video makes a huge mess.
@stephenrowland1709
@stephenrowland1709 8 ай бұрын
Is the image permanent like the paint method? I’ve taken a screwdriver to paint ones and zero damage to the image.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 8 ай бұрын
@@stephenrowland1709 Yes it is permanent.
@chazy10
@chazy10 Жыл бұрын
Tried it and it's kinda ok, but.. speed should be much lower and power much higher compared to the paint.
@sdrawkcab_ssa
@sdrawkcab_ssa 6 ай бұрын
I like to lightly wet sand mine with 400 grit sandpaper.
@barriegould
@barriegould 8 ай бұрын
I live in ireland and find it hard to get IPA do you think surgical spirts would be the same as or work as good as isopropyl ??
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 8 ай бұрын
Try this method. It uses water, elmer's glue and Tio2. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h65zosh918_LZnU.html
@ward7voter111
@ward7voter111 Жыл бұрын
I can get Titanium dioxide in different colors (pigments). Will using different colors result in a colored etching (similar to lasering over powder coat pigments), or still just a gray or dark image like with standard paint?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
I know that there are oxides that would make different colors but I don't know which ones.....yet. Thanks for the comment.
@atienne_navarre
@atienne_navarre Жыл бұрын
Nice - Any way to add color to it?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
There are other types of oxides that make different colors. Cobalt oxide leaves a blue etch for example. I've never tried any other than TiO2 though.
@dwightstebner2345
@dwightstebner2345 Жыл бұрын
so 50% TiDo and 50% IPA = 5 tbsp of each?
@hunterwilson8016
@hunterwilson8016 Жыл бұрын
I’m guessing no air assist ?
@SCAMATICS777
@SCAMATICS777 11 ай бұрын
you have a video showing what you did to create the image for lasering. also what watt laser did you use? light burn, gimp? thanks
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 11 ай бұрын
It was done with a 10 watt Roly lasermatic10. The software used was lightburn.
@SCAMATICS777
@SCAMATICS777 10 ай бұрын
@@lasersandsaws did you use lightburn only? did you need to invert image. can you make a video showing the process on how you put the image in lightburn, im just learning. thank you for replying. settings, speed,power, etc... thx
@karenhadden4980
@karenhadden4980 Жыл бұрын
Has anyone tried this with a CO2 laser? Can the image be easily scratched off?
@RobertLugg
@RobertLugg 10 ай бұрын
Does this cut into the tile or deposit material on top? Does it scrape off?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 10 ай бұрын
It bonds to the surface and is permanent.
@loyalistman
@loyalistman Жыл бұрын
How durable is it after engraved? do you have to coat it with a top coat of something.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
It's permanent.
@davewithhemp
@davewithhemp Жыл бұрын
How does the artwork hold up? Can it be scraped off?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
It doesn't come off.
@gilleskraft3181
@gilleskraft3181 Жыл бұрын
Hello, txs' for sharing this trick. but i have one question, you said 50% of each, it's 50% in volume or in weight?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
volume but you can just eye ball it.
@gilleskraft3181
@gilleskraft3181 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws txs'
@SCAMATICS777
@SCAMATICS777 10 ай бұрын
i used this ti dioxide but nothing is happening. no image is being burned. 100% power at 500mm speed. im confused. ortur laser master 2. i also purchased the ti dioxide from your link. im i putting it on to thick? using the 91% alcohol too. fine mist sprayer, coating on tile looks good. any advise. thanks
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 10 ай бұрын
Without seeing your actual parameters I can't really tell you whats wrong. But here is a couple things to try. 1. you might be going to slow and to much power. 2. Make sure your focus is set correctly to your tile. 3. Make sure your actually getting a good coating of tio2.
@PixaPrintsCo2Lasersnijden
@PixaPrintsCo2Lasersnijden Ай бұрын
Hi there! Thanks for the video. Can you give me some advise please? I have also tried the method. Immediately after lasering it looks nice, but after rinsing the image is ruined. I tested the best settings and let everything dry thoroughly. What am I doing wrong? Is the method only suitable for a diode laser or also for a co2 laser? I have a Co2 laser, this could be the issue. Thanks Barry
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Ай бұрын
I'm not sure what might be wrong. Maybe to much power. I don't have a co2 laser to test on but I think it should work.
@PixaPrintsCo2Lasersnijden
@PixaPrintsCo2Lasersnijden Ай бұрын
@@lasersandsaws I have tiles enough so i will keep trying ;-)
@PixaPrintsCo2Lasersnijden
@PixaPrintsCo2Lasersnijden Ай бұрын
@@lasersandsaws Got it fixed! I have significantly reduced the speed and power.
@dweaver1805
@dweaver1805 Жыл бұрын
so do you turn air assist off so it doen't blow off the dust?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
I do yes.
@celorenzo
@celorenzo 9 ай бұрын
Do you use air assist in this project?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 9 ай бұрын
No air assist.
@samuelsanchez6180
@samuelsanchez6180 Жыл бұрын
How you measure both to get equal amount since one is liquid and the other a powder
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
An example of what I meant would be 1 tbsp of alcohol and 1 tbsp of TiO2. It's not exact. This is just the ratio I use but you could try any ratio and maybe get better results.
@3dPrintCreator
@3dPrintCreator Жыл бұрын
In Europe, Titanium Dioxide, or E171 is considered to be carcinogenic when inhaling it. Therefore it's now forbidden in a lot of appliances. The way you are using it, makes inhaling an even bigger problem, therefore I would not consider this method myself.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Good reason to take precautions. That's why I wear a mask and recommend everyone does as well.
@mrSanders.
@mrSanders. 6 ай бұрын
this is a “possible carcinogen”, it also includes ginkgo beloba and aloe vera
@3dPrintCreator
@3dPrintCreator 5 ай бұрын
Ahh, then getting cancer is not a problem because there is also Aloe Vera in it. 😢
@size14steeltoes
@size14steeltoes 10 ай бұрын
How is this cheaper than buying spray paint?
@markcook8516
@markcook8516 11 ай бұрын
What is the brand of the machine? What happened to the Oturo?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 11 ай бұрын
I used the Roly lasermatic10 on these. I don't use the Ortur anymore. It was always breaking. The Roly works perfect everytime.
@gratefuldoge8598
@gratefuldoge8598 Жыл бұрын
How much is that machine??😅
@LOKI0186
@LOKI0186 Ай бұрын
I just engrave no paint then I run alchol based ink
@MarcoTheHEXican
@MarcoTheHEXican 9 ай бұрын
is this safe with a C02 laser? like a Glowforge pro?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 9 ай бұрын
Wear a mask to be sure.
@goodwinml
@goodwinml Жыл бұрын
What laser are you using? Diode, Co2, ???
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
It's a 10w diode.
@RussellRay
@RussellRay 9 ай бұрын
How do you get the shading ?
@RussellRay
@RussellRay 9 ай бұрын
Lightburn settings?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 9 ай бұрын
I used Jarvis.
@laserfalcon
@laserfalcon 9 ай бұрын
Would this come out black on glass?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 9 ай бұрын
Yes it will.
@jamesfacciolli8061
@jamesfacciolli8061 Жыл бұрын
So the Norton White Tile Method?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Basically the same method just replacing the spray paint.
@billcoe101
@billcoe101 4 ай бұрын
My mixture is coming out very grainy. I have mixed as much as possible. Any ideas? From anyone?
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws 4 ай бұрын
The mix is grainy or the engraving is grainy?
@5567ssuthe
@5567ssuthe Жыл бұрын
When you say 50 to 50 ratio on the mix is that like 1 cup to 1 cup . Or by weight? Thanks in advance
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
Turns out 50/50 is to much. It clogs the spray bottles to fast. I've been using a mix now of 1 part Tio2 to 5 parts alcohol. It's easier to spray and gives the same results.
@doctorpd1959
@doctorpd1959 Жыл бұрын
@@lasersandsaws So is the mixture consist of 100 gram of TiO2 to 500 gram of alcohol or 1 cup of TiO2 to 5 cups of alcohol? Thanks.
@lasersandsaws
@lasersandsaws Жыл бұрын
@@doctorpd1959 I did it by volume so 1 cup tio2 to 5 cups alcohol. But it's not an exact amount. Your just trying to get enough tio2 on the surface but not clog the sprayer.
Tio2 brushed instead of sprayed.
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