Stopping Power of .45 ACP

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AmmoMart

AmmoMart

Күн бұрын

In this week's video, we take a look at the stopping power of the .45 ACP. We are firing into synthetic ballistics gel at approximate FBI Standards with 230gr FMJ and JHP. We also look at the difference in controlled firing speed, as well as testing penetration in the ballistics gel from a range of 50 meters.
Sorry for the slight mistake in editing -- the other firearm in the magazine dump comparison is the .40 S&W Glock 27 from our Stopping Power of .40 S&W video.
Thanks for watching. New videos post every Thursday!
FIREARMS USED IN THIS VIDEO
Sig Sauer 1911 TacOps
AMMUNITION USED IN THIS VIDEO
.45 ACP Speer Lawman 230gr FMJ
.45 ACP Speer Gold Dot 230gr JHP

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@johnbicknell8512
@johnbicknell8512 Жыл бұрын
I used 1911's during war in the 60's . Standard ball ammo . Always got the job done .
@themudshark1106
@themudshark1106 8 ай бұрын
I had a friend who was a Mash Medic in the Korean War he said he saw body's hit with 230 grain hardball .45 ACP and that it blew big holes out their backs.
@lancehobbs8012
@lancehobbs8012 Ай бұрын
How old are you now?
@edwardtully9746
@edwardtully9746 Жыл бұрын
Issued a 1911a1 in 1967, used it with 100% One shot kills as a radio operator during the tet offensive in Hue City. It was my T O. Weapon Would have been more confident with an m- 16 a1; but couldn't confiscate one until another Marine was medivaced Radio Operators didn't live long back then, so the 1911a1 kept me alive through the bloodiest battle of the Vietnam War
@jamesmcclane9333
@jamesmcclane9333 Жыл бұрын
Welcome home brother. 1972-74
@longshot398
@longshot398 Жыл бұрын
Semper Fi Brother
@longshot398
@longshot398 Жыл бұрын
@@jamesmcclane9333 I went to PI in May of 1972. 1st Bn. Hog
@daffidavit
@daffidavit 11 ай бұрын
God bless, you made it home. My draft number was 112 and they were only drafting up to number 90 back in 1972 as the war was winding down. That war never should have been. I know too many people who were messed up when they came home. I'm glad you made it back, especially as a radio operator. LLAP.
@bertkilborne6464
@bertkilborne6464 11 ай бұрын
@@daffidavit My lottery number was over 300 I was reflecting on that recently with the Titan disappearance, and was reminded how I went to the Navy recruiting office back in 72 and the recruiter told me I was qualified for sub duty. I don't know which idea I disliked more, going to Nam or being on a sub. Everyone back then had friends who got messed up over there and some guys came back OK too. Good to hear the OP made it back .
@RANDOMNATION907
@RANDOMNATION907 Жыл бұрын
_"Fast is fine but accuracy is final. You must learn to be slow in a hurry."_ - Wyatt Earp
@jamespmullin21753
@jamespmullin21753 Жыл бұрын
How many gun fights was Wyatt Earp really in?
@rogerwood5228
@rogerwood5228 Жыл бұрын
@@jamespmullin21753 the 90s Tombstone movie said he only been in one prior to the OK Corral... then there would have been a few more fighting the Clanton gang afterwards.
@mrmann44
@mrmann44 Жыл бұрын
He probably saw a bunch of shit too. Wisdom is acquired through experience both witnessed and overcome through.
@taasch2505
@taasch2505 Жыл бұрын
@@jamespmullin21753 based on THAT period in time? probably over a dozen tbh
@eancola6111
@eancola6111 20 күн бұрын
@@jamespmullin21753We really have no idea, but based on his prior history I would say with a degree of confidence that it wasn’t his first.
@marktaylor7257
@marktaylor7257 11 ай бұрын
My grandfather introduced me to the 1911 .45acp when i was 14,the Marine corps cemented my love for the round,i still carry it to this day.
@User39.
@User39. 4 ай бұрын
My brother-in-laws dad was in brutal combat in Vietnam... He had high praise for his 1911..."one shot stops" he said....that was with ball ammo
@dougwallace5036
@dougwallace5036 Жыл бұрын
I have been using a 45 every since 1962 in basic training too. I love that gun an it has saved my life in combat more then once
@maddmike6100
@maddmike6100 Жыл бұрын
Welcome Home
@maddmike6100
@maddmike6100 Жыл бұрын
Welcome Home
@cooper57m
@cooper57m Жыл бұрын
I agree with your assessment of the Sig 1911. I have a full size Sig Nightmare and it has been fully reliable. I've had no failures of any kind and very accurate. A very underrated 1911.
@kylewood8327
@kylewood8327 11 ай бұрын
I started out shooting .357 (S&W6 inch 19) back in 1982. But developed a love for the .45 1911 too. To this day these two rounds are still my go to calibers.
@kylewood8327
@kylewood8327 9 ай бұрын
@@ItsCrackersToSlipARozzer 🤣
@harryblackburn9556
@harryblackburn9556 Жыл бұрын
Elmer Keith (godfather of the 44 and 41 mag) once said that when you shoot a man with a 45 and go don't go down, look behind him and see what's holding him up. A quote from his book, Hell, I was there.
@ryanranard5187
@ryanranard5187 8 ай бұрын
😂
@adamsowers8957
@adamsowers8957 Жыл бұрын
Two World Wars!!! Grand Champion!!!
@c.r.chandler5905
@c.r.chandler5905 2 жыл бұрын
What I like about your presentations is they are clean, smooth and right to the point. You brief us on the rounds, testing protocols and get rolling. Great stuff
@AmmoMart
@AmmoMart 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for viewing and I appreciate the positive feedback. It was a challenging day. We found out later back in the lab that both of the FMJ rounds entered the gel backwards which is a touch surprising and perhaps an indicator of tumbling but more research is required. Thanks again and be safe.
@rick-kx7gy
@rick-kx7gy Жыл бұрын
I've heard war vets say the 45 ACP lets in more light and lets out more blood .
@PhoenixBird9000
@PhoenixBird9000 Жыл бұрын
I think people forget tissue elasticity has limits and real organs do not behave the same as ballistic gel. When hydro-static shock is not a factor, all you have left is the size of the wound and what organs the projectile passes through. If a large enough hole is punched through someone the tissue is not going to tighten back up enough to seal that hole and slow the bleeding. This is part of why a 12 gauge slug is so devastating, and why a .45 going so slow compared to smaller calibers going faster can be as effective as it is. Caliber does matter. Sure, a skewer can make you die, eventually, but having a piece of rebar rammed through you instead is probably going to stop you a lot faster and will certainly make you bleed out quicker. That's pretty much what the .45 is doing.
@richardelliott9511
@richardelliott9511 Жыл бұрын
You mention the hard hitting nature of the 45acp, that's called momentum and is a very real thing. In todays world of the high cap 9mm culture the value of momentum and bullet frontal area have been lost. Its a tragedy that since Jeff Cooper passed there has been no one to pick up the advocacy of those merrits in 45acp over 9mm. I believe that the large amout of bullet drop you experienced is more due to the high bore offset of your sites rather than the actual trajectory of the bullet. My WW2 GI issue 1911 with it's stock issue low profile sites only drops a few inches at 50 yards when shooting hardball. Thanks for this informative video.
@yellowboxster06
@yellowboxster06 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a 1911 shooter since Vietnam but I’m under no illusion that the 45ACP is anything other than a close-in weapon that packs a lot of punch. I also own a Sig Tac Ops 1911 that is a real pleasure to shoot. For us purists out there you just have to get used to the idea of the external extractor but in practice it means you don’t have to spend time tweaking the tension on legacy extractor design. My 45ACP round of choice is the 185 gr JHP +P from Buffalo Bore. My Colt Defender seems to like that round the best. Nice video.
@3-2-1-.
@3-2-1-. Жыл бұрын
I bought a 45acp carbine rifle, to extend my accuracy. I love it! It is so light in comparison to a battle rifle, but it still delivers 45 acp devastation. Hi Point has a very inexpensive, but reliable version, and they go up in price from there. Less than $400. This gives the 45acp the ability to reach out and deliver that big hit. 100 yards, easy, and further. Much further. Of course, you have to elevate the heck out of the shot. I watched a guy, Iraqvetreran8888 I think, hit targets with lethal penetration at over 400 yards. FYI.
@phillhuddleston9445
@phillhuddleston9445 Жыл бұрын
I agree and carry 185gr. +p's as well, I think the 230 gr. bullets are just too heavy for the cartridge unless you are going for deep penetration on larger animals.
@cecilpotter1229
@cecilpotter1229 Жыл бұрын
Para Ordnance P-14 is your dream gun 2011 STI
@ms.annthrope415
@ms.annthrope415 Жыл бұрын
@@phillhuddleston9445 most of my self defense rounds are 200-230 grain +P velocities. I just like the idea of heavier and faster. I do have some 185 +P JHP, but I just prefer 230 +P JHP. They're just good thumpers.
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 Жыл бұрын
Hitting a human sized target out to over 70 yards is quite easy with a 1911.... hardly "close in" as I understand the term... True is needs a bit of 'Kentucky windage" but not so much as to be much of a problem if you practice a bit... 🙂
@michaelcaristo4891
@michaelcaristo4891 Жыл бұрын
I Love the 1911 .45 ACP! I also Love the .45 LC in a revolver!
@patmancrowley8509
@patmancrowley8509 Жыл бұрын
I've been shooting the .45 ACP for over 40 years. You definately have to lob your shots at distance. Knowing your drop and compensation thereof always makes for a good shot.
@keithgraham9547
@keithgraham9547 Жыл бұрын
Last autumn (2022), I noticed something that may interest a few people. I was practicing double taps with a 9mm compact pistol. (9mm is my least favorite caliber, can't shoot groups for squat.) Started at 3 yards, one da shot, one sa shot, move back 3 yards, do it again. At 18 and 24 yds, I got bad fliers and re-shot those groups until satisfactory. At 33 yards and 36 yards, limit of my backyard range, I was getting large drop from most shots. This spring, 2023, I tested 9mm, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, and 45acp from rest at 36 yards. All firearms compact or subcompact carry guns, all ammo standard pressure normal loads. The 40 was about 2" low, 45 about 3" low, 357 SIG pretty much on, an inch or two high. I sighted in a 357 Magnum decades ago at 50 yards. So little drop in those calibers, right? However, 9mm groups were 8", 12", and 13" low, depending on the particular ammo. (If you could call them "groups.") The 8" group ammo had the most variance, some shots dropping over 24". My conclusion is all the propaganda about 9mm is VERY iffy. All the other calibers that have a good reputation perform much better, and 45acp with normal 230 grain should give a decent shooter torso hits regularly at 50 yards. I don't believe that about 9mm. If I somehow have a gunfight with perps in a Walmart parking lot, I'll take 45 over 9mm every time.
@howardamey7228
@howardamey7228 Жыл бұрын
Very good presentation! For many years I carried a Colt Combat Commander with 165 grain Federal Hydra-Skoks. Both firearm and Ammo were a good combination.
@godallmighty4899
@godallmighty4899 Жыл бұрын
Wanna rethink that?
@bobbem2000
@bobbem2000 Жыл бұрын
​@@godallmighty4899 no.
@rainmaker8892
@rainmaker8892 8 ай бұрын
1980s federal made a 130grain hydro shock 357 mag. It would blow massive holes in sheet metal. It would end a fight no matter where it hit. And that was out of a 2' /3''/4 inch speed six Ruger. Thank God I never had to use it for defense. 45 ACP ammo has been improved through the years, some are capable of a huge wound channel with velocity equal to the same 185 grain 10mm. After the FBI was shot up in a bank robbery, the need for a more powerful weapon was realized. A 9mm stopped just short of the heart of one of the robbers who had a mini 14. So the 10mm was developed. Officer's on the streets had no problem with it. Others who worked in offices did not like qualifying with it. Federal loaded lite loads and they used them for defense. It totally defeated the reason for having a 10mm. Federals rounds were compared to a standard load 40. This is why the 10 was not used for many years due to full 10 ammo being hard to find. More agents carried 40s because they were easier to carry. So when it come down to bad guys behind barriers, once again the agents were under powered. Today with all the improved ammo,a 9mm is capable. A 45 is better and they can hold double stacks as well. I would still think a 1911 would the the choice for many reasons.
@howardamey7228
@howardamey7228 8 ай бұрын
@rainmaker8892 indeed! I have carried Federal ammo as a personal defense round for over 30 years. In my opinion, they are top of the line. Even the 95 grn. Hydro-Shok packs a nasty wallop.
@kevinrichardson8859
@kevinrichardson8859 6 ай бұрын
​@howardamey7228 there is no 95 grain federal hydra shok in any caliber...380 has a 90 & 99....9mm has a 124..135 & 147 grain
@Desperado3248
@Desperado3248 Жыл бұрын
Not all ball ammo is the same in the real world. The round nose tends to go through smoothly and doesn’t shear blood vessels and nerves. A flat nose, the same weight has more damaging effect like a plow blade. Velocity on the 230 gr is relatively low , but Gold dot is designed well and dumps a lot of energy, and has momentum. For hollowpoints I like 200 gr that we’ll get 900 fps plus . Some will say that 45 only has 9 rounds. My feeling is you won’t need to use the last round. 1 45 is worth two smaller rounds. If I was dumped into a bad situation with only a handgun , it would be a 1911 with all the mags I could carry, especially if limited to ball ammo
@JamesJones-bi4ww
@JamesJones-bi4ww 5 ай бұрын
Glock 27 40cal and fast
@wearytraveler3524
@wearytraveler3524 Жыл бұрын
So......the best gun for self defense, is the one you practice with!
@JustinCase-em6ql
@JustinCase-em6ql Жыл бұрын
I can't remember if he discussed this, but the size of the damage, especially in hollow point ammo is far more devastating than the other calibers discussed. Let me put this in layman's terms; the 45acp. is for close self-defence, and puts a big ol' hole in a human or animal, especially hollow point ammo. The internal destruction and exit wound are gnarly. P.S. For black bear country, you should load fmj, and maybe in the lighter 185 grain (might not be much difference), for better penetration.
@jasonpadula4916
@jasonpadula4916 Жыл бұрын
I like that .45 has less penetration. Great carry option for extremely sensitive areas.
@richardrogers8254
@richardrogers8254 Жыл бұрын
It depends on what you mean by less penetration because it'll go right through the front door of a 72 Ford Torino. It leaves a damn hole you can stick your thumb in almost.
@AgentScion1
@AgentScion1 Жыл бұрын
Less? I hate this stupid myth. It consistently penetrates to an average of 15" in 230gr JHP. A clear 2" more than the best 9mm loads. .45 is a very consistent penetrator.
@user-fo6cu2xv7q
@user-fo6cu2xv7q 4 ай бұрын
​@AgentScion1 becuase its inconvenient for you of course 😂
@lordkreigs1978
@lordkreigs1978 Жыл бұрын
I live in southwest Colorado and it’s a pretty rural area. Several times a year I have to dispatch a wounded deer and an occasional elk that has been vehicle struck and still on the roadway and still alive. For a multitude of reasons I carried several different handguns. Each time I dispatch an animal I put myself into the position to put one in the back of the head I guess you could call it movie mafia execution style. I have never had a problem with the .45 ACP, 9 mm, 38 or 357. They have always been one shot for the coup de grace to dispatch the animal. One evening the only fire arm I had with me was a 380 ACP. I put one round into the back of the head of a buck deer and it turned around and looked at me with the expression of “you’re pissing me off!“ I fired again, then again, then again. I emptied all eight rounds into the back of his head and it still kept trying to get up. It was very disheartening and troubling to me. I mention this because you said something to the effect of it’s not so much the caliber but bullet placement. I will only carry that 380 as a pocket pistol or a back up now. I will not. As my primary concealed weapon firearm. Caliber, foot pounds, energy, and bullet weight absolutely do make a difference.
@OnTheRiver66
@OnTheRiver66 2 жыл бұрын
I like these videos a lot. I like to think of the .45 as an already expanded 9 mm.
@AmmoMart
@AmmoMart 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting observation......I have found that aspect of these videos to be my favorite......the different perspectives and impressive and well thought out. Thanks for viewing and hope to hear from you again.
@ethanmac639
@ethanmac639 2 жыл бұрын
@@AmmoMart i read a lot of your comments, they are well thought out, thoughtful and sincere, i have rarely seen that in a content maker! cheers!🍻😎⚡
@Chris_the_Dingo
@Chris_the_Dingo Жыл бұрын
Interesting thought, I tend to agree.
@furmanmackey5479
@furmanmackey5479 2 жыл бұрын
I will always be a believer in the "Big, relatively slow-moving, bullets make bigger holes down range....Even if they DON'T expand much if at all." theory of saving your own bacon with a handgun.
@furmanmackey5479
@furmanmackey5479 Жыл бұрын
@Fred the 47th If a projectile MUST expand to achieve a larger caliber size it neither efficient nor even potentially effective as a projectile that is already of the larger caliber that does NOT REQUIRE expansion. The nine not only MUST expand it all too often requires far more rounds to be fired into a "target" to be effective while failing to be efficient. Autopsies proved that to my satisfaction.
@furmanmackey5479
@furmanmackey5479 Жыл бұрын
@Fred the 47th Physical evidence, in the form of the recently deceased in this case, proves many things that ballistic gel can never reproduce. Failure to expand on the part of JHPs, even those marked as +P and +P+ do not make small caliber rounds superior when the projectiles fail to expand entirely (a frequent problem of late). The 9 Minimal makes for a great submachine gun round, I would never argue that point, but assuming the 9 Minimal is anything but minimal I'm left to wonder why pistols chambered in the caliber require large capacity capability to be considered THE answer to self-defense. Reality can suck but it can also be a great teacher. I paid attention in class.
@G53X0Y0Z0
@G53X0Y0Z0 Жыл бұрын
@@furmanmackey5479 - a .45 non-expanding bullet doesn't make enough of larger hole to make a difference, unless your shooting thin metal or something similar. Might as well shoot something with a field tipped arrow. I have a .45 and like it, but in my experience the slow velocity of standard rounds is not a positive attribute. I don't shoot any of the weak factory ammo, from any pistol.
@furmanmackey5479
@furmanmackey5479 Жыл бұрын
@@G53X0Y0Z0 You made an excellent point about "weak factory ammo" as I, and others, have noticed and complained about factory ammo being underloaded of late despite +P, +P+, and even magnum box and case head printing or stamping. As for expansion or no expansion as relates to bullet size or design (JHP V FMJ for example) in shootings I worked and autopsies I attended there were only a handful of cases that come to mind where bullets "performed" as advertised or even resembled the artwork on the boxes the ammo came in. The one constant was that the larger the bullet caliber the fewer rounds were fired. The two exceptions to that "rule" that come vividly to mind involved 125grn JHPs fired from four inch .357 Magnum revolvers at ranges at and just under 25 yards. Both of those rounds produced massive internal (almost center mass in both cases) damage and resulted in "one shot stops".
@G53X0Y0Z0
@G53X0Y0Z0 Жыл бұрын
@@furmanmackey5479 The .357 is a hot caliber with a very good reputation.
@sammy2840
@sammy2840 Жыл бұрын
My Glock 21 Gen 3 is a sweet shooting beast! Keep your 9mm! I love shooting 230 grain on the range!
@frankwaltrip5807
@frankwaltrip5807 Жыл бұрын
Me !
@antoniotula262
@antoniotula262 5 ай бұрын
That or an XD are as good as it gets.
@ms.annthrope415
@ms.annthrope415 Жыл бұрын
Shot my first handgun during army officers training in 1980. It was the 1911. I have owned some 11 1911s since then..I have other pistols and revolvers but that 1911 still fits my hand the best and nothing beats that trigger. I had a Colt 1911 next to me during ghr Rodney King Riots. Had it near me during all.those BLM peaceful protesting, along with my Remington 870. I have 5 1911s currently and when the world ends ill have one in my hand.
@vzhojh3845
@vzhojh3845 Жыл бұрын
Greetings from Texas.
@danielgastel8216
@danielgastel8216 11 ай бұрын
Damn straight bro!
@jessfuller6524
@jessfuller6524 6 ай бұрын
Yup
@bobkat1663
@bobkat1663 Ай бұрын
I think everyone fails to see why Police and such used the 45 for so long....was the sub sonic.... as in no ear plugs, you can shoot the gun and not ruin your ears, but still get the job done. Great show.
@CharlesNicholson-iu9sw
@CharlesNicholson-iu9sw Жыл бұрын
A round that is also a great defense round in 45 ACP is the 150 grain DRT JHP it fragments at 4" in and continues for about 12"
@dirtyscoundrel2013
@dirtyscoundrel2013 Жыл бұрын
RIP is a great man stopper as well
@hamjeepr8881
@hamjeepr8881 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see a side-by-side comparison looking at force of impact and size of the affected area of impact over the wound channel/penetration standard test. I believe the 45 regardless round type has a special place as a round that carries a severe punch. The goal is to stop the threat and I've seen far too many LEO videos showing an assailant coming even though there is a magazine worth of 9 blowing through him. I think the velocity and small size of the 9 makes it a good killing round but doesn't carry the wake up call a 45 hitting center mass would. I also see the 45, simply because of it's velocity and mass being a safer round around innocent bystanders. There is little chance of this round over-penetrating and hitting another. As a side note, Judging from where you aimed on the long range shot, aiming at the head still places this round center mass and does the job rather effectively with overwhelming force. I'm sure if you aimed center mass, there would be a very effective castration occurring as well. Good presentation!
@rickdavis7141
@rickdavis7141 Жыл бұрын
I 100% agree with ya on the wasted energy comment on a shot exiting the cavity. Iron sights looked very hard to use at longer range. Great closing remarks Thanks for a great video.👍
@geraldblackburn4883
@geraldblackburn4883 Жыл бұрын
Here about 25 miles NE of Central Ohio, so good to know there are other Ohioans here doing KZfaq !
@jerrymunsch1349
@jerrymunsch1349 Жыл бұрын
My go to war handgun has been and will always be my 45 Colt combat commander! Period!
@tonycolca2241
@tonycolca2241 Жыл бұрын
Ammunition has been so vastly improved over the years. Even .380 has been vastly improved. In real world encounters almost all of them will suffice. I personally prefer 9mm. My favorite carry gun when in a combat zone such as my old hometown of Houston texas is a glock 19. When in oklahoma where I know reside I am comfortable with my glock model 42.i am 76 years old it amazes me how times have changed.
@yossiallen3316
@yossiallen3316 Жыл бұрын
My service one is 9mm Glock
@Isee333
@Isee333 3 ай бұрын
9mm is a weak yag soy boy round​@@yossiallen3316
@noluck33
@noluck33 Жыл бұрын
The 230g is the most common. First let me say I don't want to get shot with anything, and most crimes are stopped just by you showing your gun, but for stopping power I like the 45. Put simply I would rather get hit with a BB than a baseball shot at the same speed as the baseball has more surface area and will do more damage. Oh and now days due to age, I carry a Micro 9 and love it, but still around the house I like my 45acp. Oh and also any gun you carry is way better than the one you left at home or in the truck. Thanks
@stevezoutman7533
@stevezoutman7533 5 ай бұрын
I am so glad I watched your video. Answered a lot of questions for me
@zato6226
@zato6226 Жыл бұрын
This is the first video of yours that I've watched. Well done! And yes I did.
@wooddawg4868
@wooddawg4868 Жыл бұрын
I good 230 grain bullet either hollow point or FMJ is a stopper. I have always said in any defense pistol or rifle use premium ammo. The 230 grain for me is like a one-hitter quitter like a 12ga shotgun at short ranges. If you want a longer range you use a 9mm, 357 mag, or a long gun. For me, I use a Glock 21 and I have 5 inch Springfield stainless steel and both for me hit point of aim out to 45 yard for the most part, closer I can shoot the buttons on a threat. The 45acp for me is only fired from full-size guns and barrel to get the max velocity out the caliber.
@mt-nv4jd
@mt-nv4jd Жыл бұрын
I had the pleasure of shooting my friend's Sig 1911. The recoil was mostly straight back. Very managable and easy to keep on target. I was impressed.
@johngrunwell2412
@johngrunwell2412 Жыл бұрын
From all my years in the military the .45ACP was viewed as a good “knock-down” caliber. This, I believe was primarily due the Speed and the weight of the FMJ round itself. The bullet is large and the speed is low that could felt as being hit with a brick and placement is imperative at any time. I’ve seen so many military training videos on this caliber in the 1960s. As you said, bullet standards have greatly improved and yes throughout ALL of the common calibers. Speed or HI VELOCITY seems to be the current driving factors and that’s all fine and GOOD. But, being hit with a relatively SLOWER projectile and very LARGE in comparison does have it’s merits in the hands of the right shooter. For me, I love my .40S&W as I can control (heavy per caliber) it much better and lighter for CCW than the .45ACP. The Trend is to carry LITE with rd-count, that is the biggest draw back to the larger calibers as well as the more training required in the heavier calibers, CCW has been commercialized to sell the 9mm.
@drizler
@drizler Жыл бұрын
With military the added weight of all that lead and steel sure does amount to a lot. That crap is heavy and gets increasingly so in the field trudging along. Add to that how much you can carry and ammo commonality between Allies ect….. and it’s easy to see why the 45 went the way of the T. rex and took the 3006 and .308 along with it. They had their time and now for the military at least it’s past.
@wehrewulf
@wehrewulf Жыл бұрын
.45 is 11.5mm. 2.5 millimeters larger than 9mm. Not significant.
@oliverheaviside2539
@oliverheaviside2539 Жыл бұрын
@Wehrewulf X. Cross sectional area is the point, not diameter. .45 area is 103 mm2 vs. 63.6 mm2 for 9mm. The hole punched by .45 is 1.6 times bigger than the hole punched by 9mm. That is significant.
@yokoshemp
@yokoshemp Жыл бұрын
@@drizler you did notice the military just went from 5.5mm to 6.5. Considering the investment in 5.56 as a standard nato round that is a considerable move.
@johngrunwell2412
@johngrunwell2412 Жыл бұрын
@@drizler In response, not many carried a .45ACP as most would carry their rifle ammo and other explosives or to say their position within the platoon or squad. Yes there was weight and that’s why not all would be assigned to carry a backup weapon, like those carrying the M-1, while others (officers or the like) would carry the M-1 Carbine. As you mentioned newer tactics along with logistical support was a main problem and what goes on the belt or breast harness and that has changed again to newer tactics and squad/platoon make ups as one would expect. Newer weapons in the field also bring their own problems (auto fire weapons) in statistical support arena. It is a changing world all around.
@karlmarz5236
@karlmarz5236 Жыл бұрын
Lots of 'food for thought', Thank you. Proficiency is key, I agree. 👍
@carlschnier4089
@carlschnier4089 Жыл бұрын
Nice demo, good shooting. For a semi auto pistol, the 230 grain .45acp will stop when called upon for defense, especially critical defense rounds. 99% of the time the use will be under 10 yards
@briancaine9130
@briancaine9130 8 ай бұрын
great video. im just getting started with 45acp on a 4" M&P LE trade in. use it with 14+1 magazine and nightstick light on nightstand. very good shooter at range. subscribed
@MrSmurfnanne
@MrSmurfnanne Жыл бұрын
Great video! Findlay is one of the nicest towns in Ohio. Picket fences and the whole 9 yards! All American city!
@chrisxx3594
@chrisxx3594 Жыл бұрын
Thank you ! Totally agree with your conclusion.
@G.B.A9067
@G.B.A9067 7 ай бұрын
EXELENT VIDEO, YOU SIR JUST CONFIRM MY THOUGHTS ON THE 45 LESS PENETRATION FOR BEING AHEAVIER AND FATER PROJECTILE PLUS ,DID'NT KNOW THE 185 GRAIN PENETRATES MORE THANKS MAN LOVE THAT VIDEO, STAY SAFE.
@loboloco866
@loboloco866 4 ай бұрын
Excellent review 👏 👌 👍 very informative 👏 thanks a lot.
@martyp5976
@martyp5976 Жыл бұрын
Si, great content as always!
@hermanthegermancctv5988
@hermanthegermancctv5988 Жыл бұрын
I run an HK p9s in 45 acp for daily carry.. My use of this caliber is based not so much on its penetration as its accuracy out of this weapon.I can easily and consistently hit a 2inch half circle target at 20 meters without dropping a shot below the line and so losing points in competition. The penetration I know will be good as that was the reason for the initial adoption of the 45 by the US in 1911.I have no doubt that this is still one of the top manstoppers in its class, if you are prepared to practice and can handle the slightly stiffer recoil. The old HK is a smooth and flat gun without protrusions which shows little signature when concealed, and can be carried one up in complete safety due to its unique de cocking system..
@seagray5727
@seagray5727 Ай бұрын
2 inches at 20 meters is incredible shooting ! 😮
@randallcrenshaw3871
@randallcrenshaw3871 Жыл бұрын
I’m a 45 guy and in the summer when I’m wearing lighter clothing I roll with a 380 have confidence in both
@big10hunter42
@big10hunter42 Жыл бұрын
Smaller gun in the summer is nice. Also being a 45 guy I carried a 9mm in the summer until S&W made the Shield 45 Performance Center. Try it out. Still get 7-8 rounds depending on the magazine and in a very small package. The performance center model has porting and it makes the little gun easy to manage recoil. Haven’t carried my J frame or compact 9mm’s since.
@tgs9740
@tgs9740 Жыл бұрын
I carry 45 all year round. I have no problem with other calipers I just like 45.
@jovanjohn8294
@jovanjohn8294 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@cycyberian4735
@cycyberian4735 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video sir!
@jeffshafer7269
@jeffshafer7269 6 ай бұрын
Already love the range!😊
@garyglenn5233
@garyglenn5233 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video. I carry a 4" aluminum frame 1911 45 every day. I one hundred percent trust my life with Miss Liese (pronounced Lisa)!I've tested several different brands of defense ammo and surprisingly the 230 grain Winchester Ranger T Series performed the best in my particular pistol. At 15 feet, I got around 14 inches of penetration and a very large expansion of the bullet.
@AmmoMart
@AmmoMart 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for viewing and also for the great information. I really have learned a lot from our viewers from their personal experiences have enjoyed the dialogue. There are some well versed and experienced people out there. Again, thanks for the views and be well.
@Downsouth1796
@Downsouth1796 Жыл бұрын
Awesome I carry my SA Range Officer Compact in .45 and have for years. The 4inch bull barrel is amazing. I switch it up with my P365 but those are my two main carry guns
@maviskilpatrick7592
@maviskilpatrick7592 Жыл бұрын
Winchester ranger t series is top notch!
@thomaspalmer7900
@thomaspalmer7900 Жыл бұрын
I carry the Federal HST 230 grain JHP in my Springfield Armory A1 Mil Spec 1911. Works well. I would not want to get shoot with it.
@scottdavis2711
@scottdavis2711 Жыл бұрын
The 1911 is a fantastic firearm! My Kimber Custom Shop CDP 2 is beautiful and fully functional. The 45 acp served in many battles and is battle proven. The trigger on a 1911 can't be beat!
@jamesmcclane9333
@jamesmcclane9333 Жыл бұрын
My everyday carry is an Israeli desert eagle 45 1911 model and I love it!
@leonardpiskacsr.7111
@leonardpiskacsr.7111 Жыл бұрын
As a Former Army Military Policeman who carried a 1911A1 45ACP as a daily Duty Sidearm for 3 years Active Duty and Qualified as an Expert 1980-1983 To this Day my Home Defense Pistol is a Ruger 45 ACP American Pistol with Hornady Critical Defense Ammo...I sleep well at Night with this Security System...I know when I shoot the Bad Guy...He is Going to go Down....Period!!!
@Milkman3572000
@Milkman3572000 Жыл бұрын
45 ACP. Good enough for Black Jack Persing, good enough for me. On a side note, the FBI has lost any credibility it once had and quoting them as a reliable source makes me cringe. It is 60 years past the time to disband the FBI. JFK and Me agree.
@demuntresmith6666
@demuntresmith6666 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos
@bongdudugenio9947
@bongdudugenio9947 Жыл бұрын
45 ACP is love at first sight! and the very first hand gun 2 to own, the Scorpion & POW-MIA SS Sig Sauer! best bullets at all time.
@jamesharris184
@jamesharris184 9 ай бұрын
Well done thank you
@michaelpoulin3445
@michaelpoulin3445 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@thomaswhite2802
@thomaswhite2802 Жыл бұрын
Well done
@Subtlenimbus
@Subtlenimbus Жыл бұрын
Those slow fmjs did fantastic. They smoked those Gold Dots.
@TripleAAA53
@TripleAAA53 11 ай бұрын
1911 fanboy. Carried it from 73' USMC to present day. This vid and comments validate all I suspected and KNOW. Semper Fidelis.
@mrdeuce3283
@mrdeuce3283 Жыл бұрын
I used a 1911 in vietnam, always did the job great. Today I am 69 and I own a gun store. I carry a Springfield 1911 every day. When airwaves myb45, it is hard for me to fear any thing.
@jamesstratton4488
@jamesstratton4488 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww
@PetuniaIii-pd1ww Жыл бұрын
A cheap RIA is our handheld heavy artillery, only 230gr ball when loaded...it is reliable and accurate, but a little too bulky for EDC...it ain't much, but we have little doubt it would be just fine if ever needed...freight trains are big and slow also, but who wants to be struck by one...?
@scooterbob4432
@scooterbob4432 Жыл бұрын
My RIA 1911 A2 Hi-Cap is my house gun. Yes, it's got wide grips and too heavy for EDC.
@scooterbob4432
@scooterbob4432 Жыл бұрын
A reasonably priced RIA/Armscor 1911 A2 FS with a 13 rounds high capacity double stack magazine (10 in California) is a good home defense gun. Too heavy with thick grips for EDC but quite accurate and very reliable for home use.
@oscarpuente2029
@oscarpuente2029 Жыл бұрын
outstanding
@stugotswins
@stugotswins 9 ай бұрын
The one thing most i love about the 45 is that it is an American round while the 9mm is an European round while i use a 9 as a backup the 45 is my primary EDC
@happycup9017
@happycup9017 10 ай бұрын
I think the shock trauma is overlooked a lot. My ideal round would drop 700 to 800 ft lbs into the first 12 inches. The 45 is great for that. I think it maximizes the energy dump because it's so wide. You have to beef it up a bit to get 800 but most popular 45 handguns can take it.
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@DrTramp-uu1hh
@DrTramp-uu1hh Жыл бұрын
I have two handguns chambered in 45acp; a SA/DA ex PD S&W 4566 pistol with a de-cocker safety and a SA/DA Colt 1917 service revolver. Both are great shooters, reliable with any ammo, and quite accurate within the limitations of the 45acp round. Except for 22lr caliber I reload for all my firearms and my favorite hand loads for 45acp are 185 and 200 grain poly coated semi wadcutters though I also load poly coated 200 grain round nose bullets. The semi wadcutter bullets achieve good penetration and, when they hit something hard, decent expansion even out of the 4566 which has a 4.25" barrel. Out of the Colt with it's 5.5" barrel the results are even better. For shooters that take the time to learn their firearms' good points and limitations and shoot often in order to gain proficiency with them the 45acp is a great round for target shooting or defense.
@benjaminbrown1179
@benjaminbrown1179 Жыл бұрын
Whoever f'd up that siding shouldn't be allowed to hang ever again!... great video
@wtpence4731
@wtpence4731 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I prefer the Speer 200gr. HP. above All others. JMO. You rarely Ever hear about "imparted" energy. I believe it' a Real thing and the .45acp Has got the perfect balance of velocity & weight.
@mikefranklin1253
@mikefranklin1253 Жыл бұрын
I carry a 1911 with WW Ranger .45. I will stake my life on this gun with this load.
@DerekRC
@DerekRC Жыл бұрын
45acp is my choice for carry. Why because I shoot it well. I'm not taking any shots over 25 yards anyway. That being said shoot what works best for you.
@KansasRF
@KansasRF Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the 45 ACP ammo demo. I have a question. I have a Ruger Blackhawk with a four inch barrel that shoots both ACP and by switch of cylinder the 45 long colt. I had a Blackhawk with a seven and a half inch barreel for about thirty years and did a lot of shooting with it both commercial rounds and hand loads. Could you please do a comparison of the two types of 45? Thank you. Rick in Kansasb
@rexfrommn3316
@rexfrommn3316 Жыл бұрын
A .22 magnum revolver with a 3 inch barrel puts out enough energy to penetrate at least 14 inches or more of ballistics gel from about three meters distance. The FBI standard of penetration for a lethal wound channel is 12 to 16 inches in ballistics gel. The point here is a .22 magnum round is only about 40 grains but these rounds are quite adequate to stop any human predator with a wound to a vital area. The .22 magnum revolver can be accurately and quickly shot by a small statured woman or a man who is recoil sensitive. A quick follow up shot can be achieved with a .22 magnum revolver. Target acquisition for a second shot is easy with a low recoil .22 magnum revolver. So my argument is simple. It is far superior for regular average shooters to have a .22 magnum revolver than a .45 ACP handgun that is very hard to hit anything with unless you have extensive training on it. The .22 magnum revolver with a 3 inch barrel will produce more than enough stopping power to incapacitate a human predator. All handguns are essentially close quarters combat weapons. Yes, the .45 ACP has lots of stopping power but it is unnecessary to stop a human predator. A "double tap"/two shots from a .22 magnum revolver in the vital torso organ area of a human predator will stop the threat promptly. You will have other rounds left to engage other close range human predator targets.
@slimjimmy229
@slimjimmy229 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the reputation of a .45 comes from the superior terminal performance of a ball round on soft tissue over other calibers. As you demonstrated here the .45 created a better wound channel then a 9mm and didn't over penetrate as a 9mm would. With a proper HP bullet there is indeed little difference but if I had to carry FMJ I'd carry .45 hands down.
@mmabagain
@mmabagain Жыл бұрын
than
@jimbob465
@jimbob465 Жыл бұрын
In ball form 45 is a lot bigger and hits twice as hard. In hp form 45 will expand a lot bigger and still hits twice as hard.
@geraldblackburn4883
@geraldblackburn4883 Жыл бұрын
Those Hollow Points REALLY dump the energy where you need it, that said, please look at the Underwood, rounds for their Speed and Cavitation effects, Very Deadly, and also the .45 Buffalo Bore, some are doing testing with the 255 Solid Lead for Bear, and it is REALLY impressive.
@davidkachel
@davidkachel Ай бұрын
It is interesting to compare the comments below made by men who have actually used the .45 in combat, to the conclusions common among the armchair experts of youtube. HUGE difference!!!
@PatrickJDoyle-bw3fu
@PatrickJDoyle-bw3fu Жыл бұрын
My Dad took part in the Aleutian Campaign, he carried the 1911-A1, thats good enough of an endorsement for me, its my everyday carry and the sidearm I took with me to the middle east, not going to tempt providence.
@leonardpiskacsr.7111
@leonardpiskacsr.7111 11 ай бұрын
My Home Defense caliber of choice...Ruger American Pistol 45acp...With Hornady 185gr.Critical Defense Ammo....I sleep well at Night!❤
@bobvedder2451
@bobvedder2451 11 ай бұрын
When i was in the army shooting regular arms room 1911s, i found a colt 45 that could hit 50 meter targsts well.
@stillwater62
@stillwater62 Жыл бұрын
I fully agree with your statement about over penetration. Twelve inches max. without heavy clothes barrier, and eight to ten inches with heavy clothes barrier. To me, that is ideal penetration, and the larger caliber weight, in thin jacket, will cause the maximum amount of trauma without causing collateral damage to surround individuals or property.
@MackTheGovnah
@MackTheGovnah 5 ай бұрын
The 16 inches gel penetration rule is because a round may have to go through a shoulder a raised hand, ribs etc and still have enough power to penetrate organs.
@richc767
@richc767 2 жыл бұрын
Like your channel.
@str8shooter159
@str8shooter159 11 ай бұрын
I carry a glock g20 in 10mm. Its a full size heavy handgun but if you carry it enough you get use to it and it doesnt bother you to carry and the 10mm is a good strong stopper of trouble.
@yettigetter
@yettigetter 11 ай бұрын
I heard that when it comes to military full metal jacket rounds, 45 ACP is king. My cousin served in Vietnam, said 45 over 9mm anyday.
@user-fo6cu2xv7q
@user-fo6cu2xv7q 4 ай бұрын
10mm all day
@chuckhaggard1584
@chuckhaggard1584 2 ай бұрын
That's commonly repeated BS
@craigthescott5074
@craigthescott5074 Жыл бұрын
I really think shot placement is the most important thing but if everything else is equal a believe when it comes to handgun rounds bigger is better. But if you can only shoot a 22 accurately and effectively than hits with a 22 beats misses with a magnum handgun round all day long.
@bigrocc3925
@bigrocc3925 Жыл бұрын
Where can you shoot somebody with a 22short to stop them? Would a larger bullet change that? The cool thing about larger cals is a handful in center mass is going to cause lots of blood loss
@hopebrowning6300
@hopebrowning6300 9 ай бұрын
Yeah.but 99.9 of every one can't apply shot placement when rounds are flying at you and stress is off the charts and shaky and nervous etc .then its point of aim with blurred shaky sight pic. So the better , bigger rounds come in to play and have a big % rate of living to tell about it.
@michaelnaretto3409
@michaelnaretto3409 Жыл бұрын
Just for fun I fired my 1911at some silhouette targets. One being the rams that were 200 yards away. I had to aim about 8 feet over the rams to hit them. It was like lobbing artillery into your target.
@jmichaelcarbonniere9549
@jmichaelcarbonniere9549 Жыл бұрын
At age 71, I've been a '45 guy' since I was about 19 and have always considered the 9mm a fun gun to shoot but no matter what, a "minor" caliber, something ingrained in since back in my "combat" competition days in my 20's and 30's. It wasn't until much later in my life that I began hearing stories of ball .45 ACP failures to stop. Having never been in actual combat, all I can go by is the stories by veteran military and police, although I learned a lot more from people when I owned a gun shop in AZ (many years ago!). People who were shot and who had to shoot someone else.... and they were truly eye opening. More failures with ball, in any caliber, than a decent hollow point but even they have their own set of failures. Bottom line: shot placement is always the King of the hill. Having a good hollow point that actually opens up, going as fast as possible is the Queen, sitting right beside the King. Caliber, in general, doesn't make a lot of difference... except! Your choice of caliber must be able to generate enough velocity to force the bullet to open, but only if you put it in the right spot. That said, a bullet that functions correctly out of a .45 ACP or 10mm is *always* better than any smaller diameter bullet placed in the exact same spot. Thus any marginal shot with a larger bullet just might (maybe, should, could) give the defender a slightly (often very slightly! But never Zero or a lesser chance) of incapacitating a perpetrator in the least amount of time. Which is why these days I have moved on from my beloved .45 ACP to the 10mm, which is my new darling! Always use the best ammo you can get your hands on, no matter what caliber you choose (Lehigh Xtreme Defender, Speer Gold Dot - the 230 GDHP Short Barrel if you insist on a heavy bullet in .45 - Federal HST, Sig V-Crown and Defiant Munitions. I can no longer recommend Golden Saber or the HydraShok due to failures thru cloth barriers. On a personal level, I never suggest anyone use anything smaller than a 9mm for self or home defense but then, not everyone listens to me! Oh well, good luck with whatever you use. While the odds are slim that I will ever have to defend me or mine with a firearm, if it happens I want every bit of advantage I can get, no matter how slight it may be. I use 10mm and the best bullet money can buy. You should carry whatever firearm and ammo lets you sleep at night. Cheers, jc
@timl8302
@timl8302 Жыл бұрын
I like the 200gr in .45 . Just like John Browning. Good balance between speed & power. An army ordinance officer wanted the 230gr. 🙄 Also, IMHO- It's more of a hunting/winter carry gun (Commander length or below). Great video.!
@mrcmcdermo
@mrcmcdermo 11 ай бұрын
45acp was meant for in close combat
@americanazheck
@americanazheck 5 ай бұрын
Liberty civil defense ammo in a 45 is a game changer. Ive seen first hand what this round does to living tissue.
@neilgelinas9926
@neilgelinas9926 Жыл бұрын
Went to get first gun for hiking alone at 32. Walked in and said I want 45ACP. The genleman behind the counter steered me in the right direction as a primary self defense outback .357 in a revolver was what was said to me and I listened. Now older and not hiking due to back injury with lasting R leg weakness I just purchased a .45 acp 1911 for self defence at home. I have many tools for just about any problems forseen, house repair, vehicle repair and safety glasses, face shields for grinding and welding and ear plugs. All for personal safety.
@JeffreyWarrenYoung-yy1uj
@JeffreyWarrenYoung-yy1uj Жыл бұрын
I loved Winchesters Black Talons those were maybe the BEST 45 acp truely most effective projectiles I ever saw
@richardrogers8254
@richardrogers8254 Жыл бұрын
The Winchester SXT is pretty close😊
@josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517
@josephnoneofyourbeeswax8517 9 ай бұрын
Can you do a video on a Barretta PX4? And can you give your opinion of 1911's in 9mm? Specifically, I would love to see your assessment of the newer Kimber 1911's in 9mm.
@chrisgranados3835
@chrisgranados3835 Жыл бұрын
I like that you are fair
@bigtruckbrad
@bigtruckbrad Жыл бұрын
Two holes are better than one. Two holes help stuff leak out faster than one hole.
@karlmarz5236
@karlmarz5236 Жыл бұрын
Sights, they are not all created equal. At that distance the out of the box sights are difficult to manage. Dawson Precision is the way to go 👍
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