Tolkien's experience in World War I as an officer and his top NCO is directly mirrored in the relationship of Frodo and Sam. It also is reflected in the Hobbits coming back changed by the events of the War to destroy the ring and Sauron. Changes that war makes cannot be explained by those participated to those who did not serve in combat.

A lady in the streets and a freak in the sheets

I love how D&D philosophy and lore can be applied to so many conversations.

The whole Han Solo arc thing is why I hate Disney Star Wars so much: he went through this brilliant development that ends in VI where he’s decided to accept the Rebels and fight for his friends rather than himself, and then come VII they threw it all away into the trash just so that they could bring back old Han Solo to copy IV...except the VII version of Han was even LESS developed than IV, because at least IV Han was competent at flying the Falcon and didn’t need a MaRey Sue to do everything for him! And even worse they kill him off at the end, dumping him in the garbage for good, like some worthless prop. Absolutely shameful.

I find all three of these archetypes to be so facanating and interesting, and by far my most favorite is probably "The Friend" with my most favorite example from that being Samwise from The Lord of The Rings. But I still like the other two quite a bit, and I definitely consider using them sometimes in my stories! :)

if anything sam is MORE competant than frodo hes braver, activly fights (and wins some of those) right from the start (he stands up to the ringwraiths at weathertop while frodo just cowers and hes the one to acost aragon at bree) hes the only character in the entire series that is able to WILLINGLY give up the ring and hes the one that actualy carries the ring to mount doom, frodo being unable to continue sam is far more competant than frodo

I would say that the goody two shoes is the more formidable writing challenge because he/she is the one more likely to run the Mary Sue gauntlet and/or come off as two dimensional whereas the other two are more likely to have interesting flaws and dynamics. Hermione is definitely knocking at the door given how she is stated to be much plainer than Emma Watson at yet is chased after by an international Quidditch player and rarely fails at anything she does, but there are many more. I find this to be a common trope in JRPGs and anime/manga.

You put out constantly great, solid content.

love your story craft series, really helps me understand ways of structuring stories.

Best friend characters are also CRUCIAL for showing that the hero is a good person, because it allows us to see them treating their lessers kindly. An evil character by contrast will treat their inferiors abusively.

Love this kind of content

And nowadays we also have the comic relief, that character fits the goody two shoes or the best friend? Or this is a new trait, being the only function to create humor and blew off some steam. Starbuck is another good bad boy example. And Merry and Pippin begging as comic relief and later grow aswell as Frodo and Sam.

I recently learned to my surprise that the terms "antagonist" and "protagonist" are apparently false friends to the same terms in Slovene, which is why James Bond being a protagonist is weird to me. By Slovene definition, a protagonist is the literary person with a certain plan in mind, and the antagonist is the one trying to foil the plan. By this logic, James Bond is mostly an antagonist by throwing wrenches into the cogs of evildoers (but I believe there are times when he is a protagonist). And Voldemort's goal is to kill Harry, while everyone is working against that plan, making him a protagonist, while Harry, Albus, ... are all antagonists. To me, it would make sense to not automatically equate "protagonist" with "hero". Harry is definitely still a hero in this story from our perspective, but not from the perspective of people who root for Voldemort. I would argue that "hero" is a more subjective term, while "protagonist" is objective. I wonder if you could make a video if this seems to you a topic with discussive potential.

Goody-two-shoes also commonly called "boyscout" in famously male cases.

Anyway we can make the producers, directors and writers of Star Wars watch your videos? Maybe they could actually write a decent story.

Jaime Lannister also falls under the bad boy type with a great character growth--personally i believe he‘s the PERFECT example

Very interesting... when I created my first female love interest, she was a "Goody Two-Shoes" almost by default. I didn't even think of it.

I love your Storycraft videos! It's interesting to think about these archetypes because in my story that I'm finishing up right now, I haven't used them much. My secondary characters all contrast with the protagonist's world-weary outlook, but they aren't really his friends and they don't stick around for the whole story. His neighbor is pretentious and incompetent while he's more humble and does his job, his old friend from high school is more energetic than he is. His sidekick isn't too interested in reality, and the insanity there causes some strange adventures. It's good to know more about the archetypes for consideration in future stories!

Wolverine is another perfect example of the bad boy archetype

Insightful.

Wolverine is the prototypical modern bad boy. Almost every current era pop culture bad boy is a version of him.

honestly with my own works i generally don't follow much with the goodie two shoes and bad boy as neither attracts me as a writer. i'm not often in love with the "pure" girl nor do i much enjoy the idea of the rebellious boy. though their opposites i kind of prefer and enjoy.

Maybe Cyclops is the male Goody Two Shoes to Emma Frosts bad girl, very interesting thought. Great video.

I know a example of bad girl - catwoman, she's attractive, and do whatever suits her, but because of Batman's influence she always ends up doing the right thing, but of course she almost always have something that she wants on top of that.

No, no, Hermione was a stickler for other people following the rules, she knew when to break them herself!

I'd like to write a romance where the heroine is a bit of a rebel, and the hero is the goody two shoes. Do you think these two should have a central activity that forces them together, or should they have more time separate from each other to show their individual behaviors when the other isn't physically there?

Would Data from Star Trek and HK-47 from Kotor, be goody-two-shoe characters?

First, thank you! This video got me thinking in different directions about something that seems so obvious and in your face. I have a theory based on your video about the character Nux from Mad Max: Fury Road. I would define Nux and the other War Boys as the ultimate Goody Two-Shoes characters. They obey the rules without question and believe absolutely in the authority above them. The rescued women to varying degrees are all bad boy characters, led by the ultimate badass bad boy, Furiosa! However, since all of them are driven by both hope and a rejection of the status quo, they are not nihilistic enough to really be bad boys. That role is played to perfection by Max. The effect that the bad boy characters have on Nux is that he ultimately becomes as much of a rebel as they are. Max becomes a little less nihilistic and the rebels become the authority. What do you guys think?

oooh cool! more videos about this, this is awsome! ps: sam is my char in LOTR, and for me he is the main character XD (and tolkien also said that Sam is pretty much the hero in LOTR :3 )

Do you ever review the stories in videogames? For example nier automata?

Where can I find a written list with explanations of this archetypes?

Sam is arguably more important than Frodo starting when Frodo is captured by the orcs of Cirith Ungol, when Sam takes and uses the Ring to rescue Frodo and kills that Orc to save him. Then Sam gives back the Ring, and Frodo is basically a cripple for the vast majority of their journey through Mordor. Sam is making ALL the decisions, since Frodos mind(and body) are overthrown(by the Ring and by his wounds, both the stab from the witch king on weathertop, and Shelobs poison sting, and the hard and long journey). The Journey through Mordor is one of my favorite sequences in the book. Sam really does step up, and show hes greater than Frodo, definitely a greater warrior and more sturdy and tough. I just got done reading Lord of the Rings for the dozenth time(or more), as well as The Silmarillion, Unfinished tales(the Mariners Wife is my favorite unfinished tale), and now some of the history of middle earth(its a making of series of books. Im reading Morgoths RIng right now. That refers to the Earth, called Arda, which acts as Morgoths Ring hence the name). I really love Lord of the Rings, it hits home in all the feels, there losses but theres also great victories; theres great heroes and villains, and the world feels so real in so many ways. The tale of Aragorn and Arwen in the apendix is also fantastic. I REALLY dislike how they replaced Glorfindel the Balrog slayer(yeah he killed a Balrog in the fIrst age, in the escape from Gondolin, was killed himself in the battle but also killed the balrog himself, then was returned to life in the third age to fight against Sauron and help the quest of the ring and the rest of the High Elves of middle earth(such as Galadrial, and the House of Elrond mostly, and the Lindon and Grey Havens Elves).

Would you consider Haruhi Suzumiya to be a Goody Two-Shoes?

The star of my new book is a super bad boy.

Duncan from TD is the bad boy type

Is Galad from Wheel of Time a Badboy AND a Goody Two-shoes?

Would a femme fatale be a female bad boy?

@17:09 Sandy from Grease?

Can someone recommend me a good book? I have lately been reading sci-fi and 70s time travel stuff, but I am open to whatever, as long as you consider it good. Thanks!

Lol, yes I automatically 'like' all your videos! Im first to view for once. Keep up all the good work mate :)

This is gonna be strange but my favorite bad boy in all the fiction is not even a boy It's a woman Catwoman

Enkidu the original best Friend

Not criticising, but didn't actually Tolkien see Sam as the main protagonist of LotR ?

I'm writing a book myself and could use some advice on characters if you're interested in reading it.

Did this guy just admit to being a vampire.

Bad boys 4 life.

Do you play guitar? Classical?

Your terminology tells me that you play D2D...also: Bad boys, bad boys Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do When they come for you…?

Samwise is the real hero.

Deus Ex Solo.

Hermione is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a goody too shoes.

My characters are seldom that clear cut. There might be a mentor/bad boy, a goody two shoes forced by circumstances to be fairly chaotic, a best friend who doesn't even know what she is due to tampering with her mind, and so on.

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SECOND BANANA And this is where I die xD

Superman vs Batman lol

I don't know about Han being honourable. He practically forced Leia into loving him.

But why do good girls like bad guys?

Most good movies have this dynamic, right? The Matrix, Star Wars OT, LoTR, Harry Potter...

You look like a lost brother of Markiplier

I had a goody two shoes gilfriend.. hee hee heehh...

i hate the goody two-shoes