The Karate Kid Crane Kick, Drum Technique & Kata Fully Explained! The Real Martial Arts Revealed

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StoryDive

StoryDive

Күн бұрын

Skip to the Crane Kick 01:17, The Drum Technique 07:18 or the Kata & Throw 13:25
In this video I break down the Real Martial arts behind The Karate Kid & Cobra Kai. Miyagi-Do is a fictional karate style, but all three of Daniels finishing movies in the original Karate Kid Trilogy have some bases in real Martial Arts. In this video I break down those martial arts and how they relate to the Karate Kid & Cobra Kai.
00:00 Intro
01:17 The Crane Kick
07:18 The Drum Technique
13:25 The Kata & Throw
Let me know your favorite Karate Kid technique.
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@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
If you enjoyed this video, you might want to check out this vid on Three "Legendary" Blind Warriors of History: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a5qle6tm35q4ZHk.html
@theficho5104
@theficho5104 3 жыл бұрын
Great
@theficho5104
@theficho5104 3 жыл бұрын
@Kayden Sylas Shut up scammers.
@thehillbillygamer2183
@thehillbillygamer2183 Жыл бұрын
No can defend how dare you go against the word of the great miyagi the great Mr miyagi
@dumitriuflorentina6137
@dumitriuflorentina6137 Жыл бұрын
KARATE KID 1984 🐉
@VanishingNomad
@VanishingNomad 3 жыл бұрын
On the "Drum Technique" Chozen is also doing it. Daniel is just beating his timing. He's a 1/2 step a head of him.
@Eternaprimavera73
@Eternaprimavera73 3 жыл бұрын
yes, but also for another reason...Chozen uses the drum more linearly, while Daniel is more circular, so Daniel's drum goes out of the fire line while striking
@charlesvos6544
@charlesvos6544 3 жыл бұрын
Being a musician and understanding tempo and timing has made martial arts irl, in film, and in fighting games so much easier to understand for me. The drum technique made it all click.
@drunktomcruise8224
@drunktomcruise8224 3 жыл бұрын
Negative, Chosen is not using the technique, he was never taught it. You can see from his stance before he begins his attack, he is just forward punching while Danny has him trapped in the drum technique, sorry he is NOT using it like Danny.
@EAprima
@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын
@Right To Censor Exactly. To Miayagi and Daniel, the drumming was a signal and reminder. To everyone else, the drums were an encouragement & support (a ganbatte 頑張って)to Daniel that was done following from Miayagi's action. Chozen, unfortunately, got confused and felt more shamed as he saw everyone rallying behind Daniel. It was as simple as that.
@dtester
@dtester 3 жыл бұрын
@Right To Censor agreed, during the movie even even insulted the drum as a "baby rattle"...he didn't know the significance.
@kenney9120
@kenney9120 3 жыл бұрын
I'm no martial artist, but it seems like the kata Daniel did was kind of like hitting the reset button. Okay, we took a beating. Too bad. That was two minutes ago. This is now.
@eduardoherrera4151
@eduardoherrera4151 3 жыл бұрын
The Drum Technique. That one is the most realistic to me.. It just not like in the movie that Daniel Hit Chozen several times. Ive done it myself and its effective...Hitting Chozen like 10 times consecutive is just an exaggeration in the movie for dramatic purposes.
@Mike-ky6jc
@Mike-ky6jc 3 жыл бұрын
No it wasn't for dramatic purposes. The 80s were a simpler time.
@knoxvalleskey1636
@knoxvalleskey1636 3 жыл бұрын
It's from a real martial art concept in Lions Roar kung fu. Though the way they use it isn't accurate....
@menzerroku4708
@menzerroku4708 Жыл бұрын
So did he block then hold his hands together as a drum?
@EAprima
@EAprima 3 жыл бұрын
Daniel blocked then followed through with a strike and kept repeating that technique in the final scene. Due to the immense speed & power via flexibility attained via the technique Chozen was unable to counter against Daniel's counter-attacks. This is the very BEST ending final match ending to the entire karate kid series. Such a pity that the camera angle didn't allow us to see the chain counters in their awe.
@samjones7107
@samjones7107 3 жыл бұрын
Lyoto Machida used the crane kick on Randy Coture
@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
5:00
@tarikbegic8580
@tarikbegic8580 3 жыл бұрын
No that is just jumping front kick
@cosmichef75
@cosmichef75 3 жыл бұрын
He sure did
@kneebarx
@kneebarx 3 жыл бұрын
that he did and he looks like Ryu
@Brnzgaming_
@Brnzgaming_ 3 жыл бұрын
@@tarikbegic8580 thank you! Everyone keeps saying it was a crane kick when its noy
@richardoaks8333
@richardoaks8333 3 жыл бұрын
I always figured Daniel landing the first drum punch rocked Chozen so hard that we was drunk and Daniel just kept going till he was finished.
@Lughnerson
@Lughnerson Жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@artemus80j.4
@artemus80j.4 3 жыл бұрын
Remember there's a scene in KK 3 when Daniel was training with Silver. Daniel threw a lead kick to the pad Silver is holding followed with an argressive Drum Technique!
@FireMinstrel
@FireMinstrel 3 жыл бұрын
The whole thing with the villagers taking out their drums in support of Daniel...I'm sure Chozen knew that display was for Daniel's sake, which probably further enraged him. His "honor" was at stake, and the villagers tacitly supporting this "gaijin" just made him go completely apeshit and blindly attack. Chozen was clearly the better student with a lifetime of training as opposed to Daniel's 8 months, but all that rage unraveled everything.
@aspreedacore
@aspreedacore 3 жыл бұрын
very good analysis
@matthewbilich6175
@matthewbilich6175 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly.
@Blendercage
@Blendercage 3 жыл бұрын
It was probably more that his master was actually doing it and supporting Daniel. He was 100% demoralized.
@drunktomcruise8224
@drunktomcruise8224 3 жыл бұрын
@@Blendercage no demoralization in those eyes when Chozen turns back to face Daniel, it's more anger and hatred.
@ezanamelekot6796
@ezanamelekot6796 Жыл бұрын
Actually both Chozen and Sato forgot about the first rule of karate which is "karate is for defence only". Both of them are not a good karate men.
@katemaloney4296
@katemaloney4296 3 жыл бұрын
StoryDive: "Daniel LaRussoTwo-Time All Valley Champ!" Me: [sighs happily] Yes.
@jamesestelle7260
@jamesestelle7260 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Johnny also two time champ? What made Daniel's more important 🤔
@glorycartagena3355
@glorycartagena3355 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesestelle7260 I think it was he wast the last 2 time champ or that he was the only one in his dojo so it would make it harder for him to win
@jamesestelle7260
@jamesestelle7260 3 жыл бұрын
@@glorycartagena3355 I'm just pointing out 30 years later he is still a hero for the same accolade. Just seems like an oversight on the creation of the story. I realize Cobra Kai was banned but even other sports recognize players no longer allowed to participate. Otherwise I think the show and movies are American masterpieces and the first movie should have received more awards. To this day I watch it and find the lessons of life to apply in some way.
@jamesestelle7260
@jamesestelle7260 3 жыл бұрын
@Meena Ramakrishnan Not the point. Champions can lose and still hold titles. I just saw it as a plot hole. Especially if No one other then the 2 of them won 2 years in a row.
@jamesestelle7260
@jamesestelle7260 3 жыл бұрын
@Meena Ramakrishnan like I said it's a Plot Hole. Also Johnny went 4 times lost the first in the final, won 2 times in a row, and lost to LaRusso in the 4th. LaRusso won 2. I know it's fiction but Rocky (another movie of the same lines) people often forget Apollo Creed won.
@zacharymccutcheon8607
@zacharymccutcheon8607 3 жыл бұрын
Daniel: My knee is messed up, I guess I do the crane kick. Daniel then proceeds to land with all his weight on the messed up knee.
@thehorseformerlywithoutana2522
@thehorseformerlywithoutana2522 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah if he actually did the crane kick right he wouldn’t have even needed his other leg.
@juicicles5881
@juicicles5881 3 жыл бұрын
I did goju-ryu for a little while. The dojo I was at didn't have drums; but they definitely did teach to block and strike at the same time just like that. Our sensei told us to picture the drum in the movie. The point is to move your body first, like you also said. Your hands follow. I changed a lot of my main game because of this move. Goju was really fun for me. I started in shotokan in point-fighting and I don't have anything against it; but I realized that emphasizing slow movement, like they do, doesn't teach you to fight better. I was in it to learn to defend myself. Shoto was fun, but I like goju more. I like Shito Ryu even more. Anyone that comes from another karate to shito is going to love it. I think all of the styles have a lot of good things going for them. Just that if you want to not lose fights; shito knows it a little better. For example, the guy that runs the shoto school (and hundreds of others) I went to hasn't been in many real-life fights. He kicked ass in tournaments, though. Completely different worlds
@abrahemsamander3967
@abrahemsamander3967 2 жыл бұрын
Always wanted to try goju ryu. Will look into shito ryu.
@Lughnerson
@Lughnerson Жыл бұрын
The best martial art is the one in which the student trains the longest.
@oldschoolmuzzey
@oldschoolmuzzey 3 жыл бұрын
To do a kata during a full contact match is not advised that’s why there is a separate kata division. Lol 😆
@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
Generally it is a pretty bad idea, lol.
@ninthkaikan1544
@ninthkaikan1544 3 жыл бұрын
It could be a good technique for confusing the opponent or to taunt them.
@elchichosantana6410
@elchichosantana6410 3 жыл бұрын
Do that in front of Rocky Balboa. Rocky will just say Arrrrrrugh! With uppercut at the same time
@dermaniac5205
@dermaniac5205 3 жыл бұрын
​@@ninthkaikan1544 Are you allowed to taunt your opponent in a Karate match? I'm not that familiar with Karate, but I do Kendo, and in Kendo "taunting" (with the exception of Kiai/Kakegoe) would get you a penalty point (Hansoku) or even disqualified. It's not good sportsmanship.
@ninthkaikan1544
@ninthkaikan1544 3 жыл бұрын
@@dermaniac5205 Sport Karate matches have some rules many would call stupid but I believe there is no rule against it in your average karate tournament. Maybe people will see it as bad sportsmanship but I don’t believe you get penalty points.
@Yamabushi37
@Yamabushi37 3 жыл бұрын
Good analysis, in karate many thing are more that meet the eyes
@jamesderryberry9139
@jamesderryberry9139 3 жыл бұрын
The drum technique is also a off balancing move aiming at the opponents chin with the hip maximizing your second swing. Chozen's brain gets scrambled with most of his weight already committed to his own punch, only to get scrambled again in the opposite direction, the little island lacked the terrain to dodge back as well. So his inner ear is going crazy and if he tumbled, he'd drown.
@johanjonsson6504
@johanjonsson6504 3 жыл бұрын
As a Goju ruy karate brown belt, this is great!
@Rex1987
@Rex1987 2 жыл бұрын
yes, is a great way of karate - also a Goju ryu paractioner here :)
@FireMinstrel
@FireMinstrel 3 жыл бұрын
Vidal needs to make an appearance in Cobra Kai. Doesn't have to be anything big, maybe we see him having a drink with Johnny and Daniel reminiscing about past matches, or maybe he helps them out.
@seanledig1431
@seanledig1431 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation about those three techniques from the Karate Kid movies and how they relate to real karate. One comment about the crane kick: The Karate Kid came out in 1984 a few months after I earned my shodan in Tang Soo Do. After watching the movie, I remember talking about it with my master. I told him I liked the movie, except for the crane kick which I thought was BS. My master was always quick to criticize other teachers and their techniques, but he told me he knew a competitor who successfully used it. This guy was known for being able to fight by standing or jumping on one leg and kicking with the other, almost to the exclusion of other kicks and hand techniques. But as my master pointed out, this guy was also a professional ballet instructor and dancer. He was used to standing on one leg for long periods of time while kicking or stepping with the other. Anyway, great video!
@SoldierAndrew
@SoldierAndrew 3 жыл бұрын
Kata in classical Okinawan kara te is equivalent to practicing scales & chords in classical guitar.
@dermaniac5205
@dermaniac5205 3 жыл бұрын
That's true for Kata in general. Whether it's Karate, or Wing Chun, or Kendo, or Taekwondo, ...
@yvngmidoryia6762
@yvngmidoryia6762 3 жыл бұрын
Kata is not in wing chun
@jkdbuck7670
@jkdbuck7670 3 жыл бұрын
@@yvngmidoryia6762 Sil Lum Tao is a form.
@dogheyan
@dogheyan 3 жыл бұрын
13:38 when kata is mentioned, which literally means "form", suddenly my mind went to remember kamado tanjiro instead. Mizu no Kokyuu - Ichi no Kata: Minamo Giri !!!
@skins4thewin
@skins4thewin 3 жыл бұрын
I took both Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido for four years and holy hell did we do a lot of Kata. We had a specific Kata we had to memorize for each belt, and during our testing to advance to the next belt we essentially had to perform this kata flawlessly. The next belt wasn't simply just handed over, you had to earn it by earning stripes on your current belt over a period of several months and had to undergo a test of sorts in order to "pass", or earn your next colored belt. You can most definitely fail the test and have to restart from the very beginning of your current belt if you fail the test. If I remember right, I failed exactly once during my training but passed all other attempts. You basically had to earn what they called "credits" on a scorecard for each successful karate session you'd attend, and I believe you had to earn 60 or so in order to qualify to be tested to earn your next belt. I can't remember what you had to do to acquire your stripes on each belt, it's been a good 25 years or so since I took Karate.
@kaijukoopa1248
@kaijukoopa1248 3 жыл бұрын
This was a great explination of the different finishing moves for each film; I remember when I was very young (i think 7 but not much older) and being at the internationals. I unfortunately tried the crane kick during a sparring match, in front of EVERYONE; i think the entire place collectively looked away and went 'we don't know who this child belongs to'.
@youmadbro7733
@youmadbro7733 3 жыл бұрын
Can we talk about that right leg sweep followed by the left round kick Johnny does at :08 seconds. I have always been impressed with that particular combination. The mechanics of those two moves put together are beyond advanced! I mean it doesn’t even look like Johnny puts his right foot down before that left foot connects with Dannyboys melon!!! My favorite kick combination in the entire KK series!
@Steven_Will
@Steven_Will 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you Incorporated Lyoto Machida in this video because he really was one of the most exciting fighters to ever walk in the octagon
@TheDarkSideOfYouSoul
@TheDarkSideOfYouSoul 2 жыл бұрын
The drum technique is Tsuki Uke in part, who means block with strike, you punch under or above, depend of the high, of the attack from the opponent. If the opponent throw a Tsuki to the body with the left hand, you do a Tsuki with the right hand under the punch of the opponent.
@danieltilson4053
@danieltilson4053 3 жыл бұрын
Another aspect of the Kata in part 3, is that it throws Barnes off his game.
@Lughnerson
@Lughnerson Жыл бұрын
Mike ..."WTF???"
@justletmelistthese
@justletmelistthese 3 жыл бұрын
If you managed pull that kick off you would get disqualified so hard, there would be no sequels.
@tttITA10
@tttITA10 3 жыл бұрын
Yup. Cobra Kai later re-represents it as an illegal move, but Danny doen't have a flip to give.
@Marveryn
@Marveryn 3 жыл бұрын
@@tttITA10 its an illegal move now. Not at the time when it was film
@danielhaire6677
@danielhaire6677 3 жыл бұрын
Depends on what competition circuit you fight on. Some circuits allow kicks to the head. Also, having recently re-watched the trilogy, the comment of the Ref about it being illegal to kick to the head wasn't in the first Karate Kid. It was from the Ref to Daniel and Barnes in the championship match in Karate Kid 3. I think because of Daniel's Crane Kick and other headshots delivered in the first tournament that the officials updated the rules for safety in the time between the two tournaments.
@cignus19831
@cignus19831 3 жыл бұрын
It's not illegal, Miguel did it too and got a point without hesitation from the referee
@danielhaire6677
@danielhaire6677 3 жыл бұрын
@@AshNorton FIrst, thanks for the respectful commentary. I have made my points on other videos and have been berated as not knowing what I am talking about, insulted, and basically told to shut up. All for stating my opinion based on what I watched and my own tournament experience. Now as to your point, yes, Ali did say taht to Daniel but she was not a certified Ref, Judge or Coach and thereby has a spectator's knowledge of the events. We never saw similar instructions given by officials until the third movie. Watch this video of the tournament - You will see instances of other head shots that got points in the tournament mainly by Cobra Kais. They were not penalized for illegal techniques. SO if these shots were legal than how is the Crane Technique illegal? Johnny himself was one of the perpetrators with a kick that could not be misconstrued as targeting another point but being aimed for the face.
@SteveVi0lence
@SteveVi0lence Жыл бұрын
Very cool episode. I have to add the caveat is when one has injuries or age, the kata is a compromise. It's pure brute force. Leaving the rhythm to help overcome injuries and age similar to what you mentioned
@dirgniflesuoh7950
@dirgniflesuoh7950 3 жыл бұрын
I love doing Seyunchin, it is a beautiful kata, but I also love it when I get that hip to rotate and the belt to whip a circle . Or perhaps I love the memory of it, since I am older, slower and stiffer.
@emilybennett6567
@emilybennett6567 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate the discussion of the mechanics of and meaning behind these moves, Sensei StoryDive.
@olusegun.b.olofin5278
@olusegun.b.olofin5278 3 жыл бұрын
Love the illustration on the Kata as well as the crane kick. Martial arts is s great art that truly trains on to have balance in all spheres of life. I'm so inspired . Thank you for this amazing illustration
@stephanrogers8947
@stephanrogers8947 3 жыл бұрын
Extremely informative. Thank you.
@ArtofOneDojo
@ArtofOneDojo 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! I just found this video great job and thank you so much for the shoutout! I love how you describe Kata as a "Document written in movement instead of words". That is the PERFECT way to look at it. Great job on this video and fantastic research!
@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Actually, I was just watching your latest video on Cobra Kai. I've been a fan of your channel for a while. Keep up the great content!
@spartancdc5117
@spartancdc5117 Жыл бұрын
All three moves are great but the crane kick is easily the most iconic
@ryanrabago6498
@ryanrabago6498 Жыл бұрын
nice explanation. i like the balance with the crane kick symbolism and how kada was actually used for finding his center
@theficho5104
@theficho5104 3 жыл бұрын
I made that little drum yesterday and I found this great video today.
@natva89
@natva89 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the analysis! Very informative. I guess my favorites to watch are the katas in nature... They have this fluid and grounded energy that makes me wanna study karate.
@AmiananSanghabi
@AmiananSanghabi 3 жыл бұрын
Wow thanks for the very interesting analysis. Watching this after a CK S3 marathon.
@Nixx0912
@Nixx0912 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that was really intresting, and makes me want to reawach Karate Kid right now.
@marywilliams5712
@marywilliams5712 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting how u explained all these moves and techniques i found it very informative thabks
@kybone25
@kybone25 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for making!
@berniemadow1722
@berniemadow1722 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid. It's nice to know that these techniques are founded in actual techniques.....
@darrelmorgan1509
@darrelmorgan1509 3 жыл бұрын
So proud of my son two weeks away from his Okinawan black belt test
@a.mendes.g4439
@a.mendes.g4439 11 ай бұрын
2 years later but...dude. I love your explanation! Congrats. From Brazil.
@kirbymarchbarcena
@kirbymarchbarcena 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I noticed in some fight scenes in Cobra Kai is that there were so many modified/modern moves that didn't made much impact like what were shown in this video.
@rogerwood5228
@rogerwood5228 2 жыл бұрын
Seems to me the Cobra Kai kids are doing more Tang Soo Do techniques.
@davidmiles533
@davidmiles533 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. A bit more than I needed but informative
@titob81
@titob81 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Thank you 🙏
@darksilverx25
@darksilverx25 3 жыл бұрын
I loved your explanation, great video
@maxmorgan3370
@maxmorgan3370 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and a really well-thought-out analysis. I studied ths drum technique in Kosho Ryu Kempo, and so I always loved the emd of The Karate Kid Part II the most.
@EthanNoble
@EthanNoble Ай бұрын
Thanks for this!!!
@Supercrookrgaming
@Supercrookrgaming Жыл бұрын
Your assessment style is very unique and the explanation was supercalifragilisticexpialidocious you would make an extraordinary master/sifu/sensei/etc.
@TakBonez
@TakBonez 3 жыл бұрын
Something else I saw in another video on the "Drum Technique", that ties in with the Rhythm aspect you brought up. Is momentum, as the rhythm increases, so does Daniel's speed and strikes. He also has the what they call in Basketball the "Sixth Man" or the backup from the audience. He has all their support and Chozen knows it. As the rhythm and momentum of their drums increases, so too does Daniel's own rhythm and momentum.
@samhank
@samhank 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this
@nileriversoftware4070
@nileriversoftware4070 3 жыл бұрын
I think the crane kick could be used to counter a groin kick. Lifting your front leg blocks the groin kick. If you are fast enough, you could land a groin kick with your back leg, while the other guy still has his leg extended and groin exposed.
@donatellomenna86
@donatellomenna86 3 жыл бұрын
very interesting, thanks for the cool video
@Sthangimations
@Sthangimations Жыл бұрын
Good video! It was educational
@mattr.1887
@mattr.1887 2 жыл бұрын
Decent video. Good job.
@cignus19831
@cignus19831 3 жыл бұрын
Wow i never realized before, Kata is in martial arts pretty similar to what rudiments are in Drumming. You learn the rudiments and practice them developing muscle memory, to later apply them to an actual song or your playing.
@marywilliams5712
@marywilliams5712 3 жыл бұрын
I took Tae Kwon Do as a teenager...i love studying and learning about martial arts its so cool. I was only a white belt but i learned a lot from some friends i went to high school with. The one guy was in Judo and the the other one was in Tai Chi. I learned more from them than i did taking Karate. Also im a visual learner so watching karate movies helped me learn techniques.
@zcmbr
@zcmbr 3 жыл бұрын
LOL I already watched this move but, like at 0:06 I was like what the hell you moving those legs for Daniel.
@EvilDick1995
@EvilDick1995 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@williamswonderland3636
@williamswonderland3636 3 жыл бұрын
i most enjoy videos about monsters and weird stuff fighting it's useful for someone who right about magical fights but with that says this is super cool and I'm considering weighting in a karate fight now.
@Irishstile
@Irishstile 2 жыл бұрын
I love that picture! (4:01)
@kyleduske4830
@kyleduske4830 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I think in the end of the video you wanted to use the word Oyo over Bunkai as Bunkai means analysis or to break apart and reffers to the process of analyzing and understanding Kata where as Oyo means to apply or put into practice. Can't wait to see what you put out next.
@menzerroku4708
@menzerroku4708 Жыл бұрын
The kata looks like ippon seoi nage, that's why I want to learn Judo, this was a nice moment in the movie.
@markmezz3941
@markmezz3941 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice thanks.
@kneebarx
@kneebarx 3 жыл бұрын
amazing how effective okinawan karate is with all its principles of maximizing power and defense
@charlesvos6544
@charlesvos6544 3 жыл бұрын
The drum technique is easily my favorite from the series and I like to think it functions a lot like the Dempsey Roll does in boxing. Using your momentum to both doge/parry attacks while also being able to attack and attack a lot.
@Uncle_Tijikun
@Uncle_Tijikun 2 жыл бұрын
I remember when terms like "chinkuchi" were niche terms known only to a few. It's so great that knowledge about Okinawan karate is spreading so fast ❤️
@Kakarod
@Kakarod 3 жыл бұрын
Great breakdown
@AshNorton
@AshNorton 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Bravo StoryDive! You, sir, are worthy of KZfaq.
@ClaireChavannes
@ClaireChavannes 3 жыл бұрын
All those 3 finish moves sounds realistic to me ^^
@philipbarrick4149
@philipbarrick4149 3 жыл бұрын
Yes nice job
@rollwithdynamite
@rollwithdynamite 3 жыл бұрын
3:13 nice touch
@randomshit308
@randomshit308 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen the Kata in the KK3 duel as Barnes reacting with "What the fuck is he doing, is he having a stroke or something?
@TheDreamDetective888
@TheDreamDetective888 3 жыл бұрын
I'm in. Let's hear it 👊
@TheDreamDetective888
@TheDreamDetective888 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent analysis 👏👏👏
@jakelang806
@jakelang806 3 жыл бұрын
i cracked up this whole video
@Shindai
@Shindai 3 жыл бұрын
I like the drum technique. I remember the night I learned that the block isn't necessarily the rear hand, the lead hand can be the parry and the blocking hand, such as age uke, could be the counter attack. It absolutely blew my mind and completely changed my perception of karate. I think that's the most real and subtle deus ex kihon in the films, closest to reality but hard to translate to the screen, maybe. I do think it would have been possible though and that the way they filmed it leaving it so hard to work out exactly what was going on was awful. I suppose they chopped it up like that to hide that Chozen threw the same punch something like a dozen times in a row :P Stubborn and prideful as he was, he was a better martial artist than to just keep doing the same move, I think, artistic license or not they could have done that better.
@Lughnerson
@Lughnerson Жыл бұрын
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” - Mike Tyson. Daniel always surprised his opponents with a technique and the fact he did not give up.
@ezanamelekot6796
@ezanamelekot6796 9 ай бұрын
But you need to get closer to punch his mouth and when you do Daniel would do his technique.
@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
Well, Robert Kamen just revealed an interesting detail about how he created the Drum Technique on Reunited Apart. Apparently it was shown to him by Karate Master Chokei Kishaba as the "secret of all Karate". Kamen didn't go into detail on how the technique works so I still think my analysis is correct. However, I would like to know exactly what Kishaba taught. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hb-ng6uisNzIeoE.html
@ryusuikarate
@ryusuikarate 3 жыл бұрын
The secret is that there is no secret. A drum technique doesn't exist. What does exist is a principle of movement. In karate you should always move like the drum. It's essentially the marriage of chinkuchi and gamaku and not that different from what is called Fa jin in chinese martial arts.
@TheRenegadeMonk
@TheRenegadeMonk 3 жыл бұрын
I read that one of the consultants for karate kid was a famous Shito ryu practitioner Fumio Demura. Demura taught an interpretation of kata where the postures were used as jumping off points. So a block might apply as a block, but then your counterstrike combo is your own imagination but based on your body position as shown in the kata. Looking at it that way, the technique Daniel uses in KK3 makes sense. If the hi-lo block position from the kata is seen as a trap (obvious opening), then one might visualise themselves catching the obvious attack that you are inviting, then throwing the opponent. Daniel centred himself with the kata movement, then laid the trap he'd visualised in over the years of kata training, returning to the source, internal reflection and control of balance and rhythm.
@kimsoobaytownkimsoobaytown7856
@kimsoobaytownkimsoobaytown7856 3 жыл бұрын
Chayon-Ryu has a "jumping front kick" which is similar to this to the "Crane technique" from the first film., we teach to our beginner level students. Our system is the Yoon Byung-In legacy and includes Sensei Toyama Kanken's Shudo-Kan karate in it's heart, as the Korean Grandmaster Yoon, Byung-In studied under Sensei Toyama Kanken in Tokyo 1940's and returned to Korea in late 1940's. Taught at Kwon Beop Bu, and eventually taught to my teacher Grandmaster Kim Soo, who immigrated to USA in 1968 and is teaching here now (in his 80's) --- Karate Kid is his favorite martial arts movie because, according to him, "It shows real martial arts training."
@TheFinancialAdvocacyPodcast
@TheFinancialAdvocacyPodcast 3 жыл бұрын
It's been a long time (30 years), but I saw the kata in Sensei Fumio Demura's dojo. Sensei Demura was the stunt double for Pat Morita in the movies. At the time, this kata was for the blue belt to advance to red belt, but I did see it at the time.
@darrylvidal3399
@darrylvidal3399 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the attribution!
@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for creating the Crane Kick Darryl! Is it true they tried to get you to do a jump kick that starts standing on one leg, then kicks with that leg and lands on the same leg? Sounds almost impossible.
@darrylvidal3399
@darrylvidal3399 3 жыл бұрын
@@StoryDive Yes - that's how the director and writer described it to me...but I told them it wouldn't work....so I convinced them the double-jump kick would have to be it.
@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
@@darrylvidal3399 Yes, when I heard they had written it that way I tried to do that kick myself. I didn't work so well, haha. Thanks for commenting!
@kenfox5442
@kenfox5442 3 жыл бұрын
Very good point about the drum. Amazing. Who would've Thunk it. Kodoos. Very brilliant
@clive55
@clive55 4 ай бұрын
Really great description and breakdown of each teachnique. I particularly liked the Kata one as I believe the concept of it helping Daniel find his balance, his center, so that he can overcome Barnes in the final, also works the other way with regards to Barnes himself. The Barnes characters fighting style is incredibley aggresive, high tempo and even overly committed in it's execution. Several times in the final Barnes is actually caught off balance, not so much by anything Daniel does (though he does execute a nice trip on a stampeding Barnes), but actually by Barnes' lack of balance within himself. This plays right into the hands of a more centered Larusso and in particular, the kata performed in the final.
@kolos2006
@kolos2006 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, I HAVE to learn karate.
@zaberfang
@zaberfang 3 жыл бұрын
The drum technique is basically a precursor to the Dempsey roll.
@Fan4club
@Fan4club 3 жыл бұрын
One cool thing about the original KK crane to beat Johnny - is that Daniel hops on the right foot to get momentum and then leaps into the right kick - (an amazingly high kick by a non-pro -Ralph) this breaks the rhythm in addition to the opponent preparing to defend an attack from the left and being blindsided - just like the dragon did in the UFC ring without the hop.
@Funstuff13613
@Funstuff13613 3 жыл бұрын
@12:34 I love The Karate Kid films and I think your video history is great, although this point in the video doesn't actually see Chozen attack Daniel. It's nice to know what the film makers were potentially going for but I've always seen this scene as Daniel flaying his arms around and Chozen swivelling back and forth as opposed to Daniel's one hand for blocking Chozen's strikes and the other for attacking 'Chozen cause if that is happening it isn't in frame. It would have been far better if they had spent more time on the choreography here and panned further back.
@StoryDive
@StoryDive 3 жыл бұрын
If you look closely you can see Chozen attacking in some shots but they did obscure it. Maybe because Ralph wasn't performing it well. Maybe because they didnt have a real technique that made sense. I'm not sure. Chozen seems to attack but is stopped either by Daniel's strike or by a parry. I think it's a parry because Daniel appears to be swinging both arms. It is difficult to tell though. This is just my theory.
@AshNorton
@AshNorton 3 жыл бұрын
@@StoryDive I suppose they wanted close ups on the actors' faces. As you mentioned, in this case it's less about the science and more about the art. We all know in our [John G. Avildsen] hearts that Daniel will win; it's not how that matters, it's when and why. He prevails after the Crane Kick failed, after his other techniques didn’t amount to much, only after he's spent. His victory is assured because his will (chi) is strong and pure, fortified by his friends [and HollywoodJuice]. In contrast, Chozen has lost his love for life. His revenge is barbaric attention seeking. His audience rejects his wish in dramatic solidarity. The drum isn’t just to inspire Daniel. It’s to remind Chozen that all his sins upon them, previously swished away, do indeed have tethers and will come hurling back to him the moment they (the villagers) decide to pivot. Thus, his pride (as you mentioned) stupefies him; he plunges forward in defiance, as any man-brat would. (I fantasize that Daniel is face slapping Chozen, tiger claw style!) The rebuke is holistic: spiritual defeat, moral rejection, emotional punishment, and physical chastisement. It was more important for the filmmakers to tell of the characters exhaustion and resolution than Daniel's parry. (Though, I agree a "husband and wife" parry with counter strike is most likely what the filmmakers intended us to imagine.) Camera work from farther away would have diminished the climax as it required intense study of the actors faces.
@jingusus
@jingusus 11 ай бұрын
The main problem with Daniel's version of the crane kick is that his dramatised crane stance alerts practically anyone that he's about to do the crane kick. Even watching Miyagi do it on the beach, he over telegraphs it, but not to the extent of Daniel. Lyoto Machita showed it can work in reall life if you disguise and weaponise it.
@ezanamelekot6796
@ezanamelekot6796 9 ай бұрын
Acording to the scroll you opponenet will expect you will kick him in your left leg but then you will kick hiom in your right leg.
@ResurrectedBrush
@ResurrectedBrush 3 жыл бұрын
I've always felt that of the three techniques, the drum was the least fairly represented. The other two were shown pretty clearly, but for some reason the filmmakers chose a very tight and awkward framing for the drum technique. I don't know if they just lacked confidence in it or what. Either way, I've always imagined it as Chosen attempting reverse punches, while Daniel performs an inside block (uchi uke) to trap Chosen's attacking arm, followed by Daniel making an indefensible counter punch. Random side note: Having trained in both karate and TKD, it's interesting that each uses opposite terminology for inside and outside blocks (at least where I trained). Karate: inside block comes from inside to outside. TKD: inside block comes from outside to inside.
@Blackinterceptor999
@Blackinterceptor999 3 жыл бұрын
While I was studying Wushu we learned a block/punch that was very similar to that drum technique.
@SkankHunt380
@SkankHunt380 3 жыл бұрын
Always thought it was cool that his name was miyagi, which is the same as my wife's maiden name, her great grandma came from Okinawa as well
@huntergaming1246
@huntergaming1246 2 жыл бұрын
It is three in the morning I am sitting on KZfaq Learning about the karate kid and Kata
@voiceoverandmocapguy
@voiceoverandmocapguy 3 жыл бұрын
The Drum Technique and Hajime No Ippo Dempsey Roll. Both fantasy techniques with realistic origins. Always devastating and super cinematic!
@knoxvalleskey1636
@knoxvalleskey1636 3 жыл бұрын
It's a tragedy someone took the drum technique from Lions Roar and dumbed it down to this
@voiceoverandmocapguy
@voiceoverandmocapguy 3 жыл бұрын
@@knoxvalleskey1636 Haha I know. Who knew the secret Miyagi technique was drunken left right punches!
@rumblefish9
@rumblefish9 3 жыл бұрын
In KK3, Daniel does 2 techniques found in aikido. The first one is a variation of a tenchinage or heaven and earth throw and the second is a variation of a kokyunage or breath throw.
@braveminefly2006
@braveminefly2006 3 жыл бұрын
i do okinawa karate and in real combat i used the drum technique before and it was insane and i learned it from kk2 that to block and strike so i yeah
@ThePsychoguy
@ThePsychoguy 3 жыл бұрын
I wish you went into the opening bunkai for seienchin like you did with the other moves. Good video though.
@nthsum5509
@nthsum5509 3 жыл бұрын
This is a good analysis. To answer the question, I would say that the motif of the Drum Technique is most applicable in competition and real world application. As a former mentor shared with me, "A decent block mitigates damage." "A better block (or parry) compromises the opponent's position." "A great block (like a Bruce Lee style "Check Block" or "Stop Block") has a chance to mitigate damage, compromise the opponent's position, and/or inflict a measure of punitive damage to the striking opponent." As Josh Waitzkin (former chess prodigy and Master and champion in Aikido, Tai Chi, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) observes in his Chess Master Ten commentary (paraphrased), "Always look for more than one thing when you take action against an opponent. Accomplish more than one goal. If you can consistently do more than one thing and do it well without compromising your position, you will overwhelm your opponent with your mind."
@heathersmith2201
@heathersmith2201 3 жыл бұрын
I like the drum one.
@marcusfranconium3392
@marcusfranconium3392 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair all thechnieques learned by daniel where both defensive and offensive, chozen during cobra kai series used the paint up down on the presure points disabling his arm. same movements different results.
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