I hate how America centered this world is, we have all been brainwashed into thinking that making it in America is the ultimate form of success, that the ‘American Dream’ is the only dream. The imperialism is real and the SOFT power America has over the whole wide world is crazy. NO, a kpop group doesn’t need a Grammy to be succesful, a Daesang will do, NO, 1 million albums sold in America are not more than 1 million albums sold in Korea, NO, a nr. 1 in America is not more valid than a nr. 1 in Korea, NO, a stadium show is not more impressive in America than it is in Korea and SO ON. IMO all success is valid regardless of where you achieve it, BUT, achieving success in your home country when talking about kpop comes with more BENEFITS such as recognition with the general public which will allow you to expand your career beyond just kpop. That’s the difference.

Young Posse’s debut honestly broke my heart. The song is so blatantly an innuendo and the lyrics are something those girls should not have to go out and perform. I know someone will say that this is fake outrage and I respectfully say that it’s anything but fake. I’m on the older side of the k-pop fanbase (I’m in my 30’s) and while I understand debuting minors if everyone involved knows and consents to what is involved, songs like these should not even be suggested for groups of mostly minors. Kep1er’s center debate has been exhausting. Xiaoting has the stage presence to hold the attention that a center should and that’s really the end of the discussion regardless of who the actual center is. With how little time the girls have left on their contract, it makes me so mad to see the fandom fight like this over things that are ultimately petty. The fandom has been and continues to act like literal toddlers and it’s just depressing. I love Kep1er to the moon and back but distancing myself from the fandom itself has been the best decision I’ve made in that regard. Great video!

If y'all don't want to see minors anymore, simply STOP supporting them. If you can't don't complain. Cuz companies WILL NEVER give them normal songs. Stop wasting y'all's time and make up y'alls mind

I’m convinced DSP tried to create their own Cookie controversy with Young Posse. Everything about it seems like they tried to recreate the atention New Jeans got from the Cookie controversy. And they think people are going to defend them because the members wrote it.

About opinion 3: this reminds me of Minnie and Yuqi of Idle, even though Yuqi has a better technique than Minnie she’s just a sub/lead vocalist while Minnie is a main vocalist. Why? Because Minnie’s high notes sound good to most people while Yuqi has a deeper voice.

Ppl say ive cheated there win when literally there the most popular and most loved 4th gen group and everyone love them like it make no sense there’s loved and have big fandom that’s why they win like kpop Stan can’t even thing anymore.This is my opinion

International fans that think that international popularity is more important will never not make me laugh. It's not for no reason that companies Always listen to knetzs over i-fans

If you listen to xiaoting stans you’d think she’s so mistreated but girlie is literally always front and center

Heavy on opinion 4!! I haven’t seen anybody talking about this which is surprising considering how inappropriate this whole song is. Of course cookie was more talked about because nj are a big 4 group but i was hoping for more people to talk about young posse as well. This song is just weird

People undermine Korean charts without realizing most of the money that comes to groups is from Korea and Japan, album sales and advertisement revenue come by dominating these two markets. It is good that the group has international popularity, but it should not come at the expense of ignoring the two main K-pop markets.

In response to opinion 3. I agree mostly. However, as a singer, I can say with confidence that thr better you become at singing, the easier high notes become, and their tonal quality increases as well. It is impossible to be a "good" vocalist without being able to do "good" high notes because to be good, you need to have development in all your registers, which includes belting.

The company may choose someone who can sing a high note as a main vocalist but that doesn't mean the high note actually sounds good. Kpop isn't about music anymore (if it ever was) and hyping up bad vocalists just because they can hit a high note is going to end up hurting the industry and oftentimes the vocalists themselves because they force their voices to a range they aren't comfortable with. I don't care how much I like a group, if they start to sound like shit I'm not going to listen to them anymore.

i disagree with the r u next opinion, the whole show was promoted as "building OUR girl group" meanwhile in the finale the judges chose 4/6 members, obviously people are mad as a casual watcher I was too, because my votes didn't matter

For me opinion 3 DEPENDS just cuz i see ppl with highnotes but it kinda sounds more of screaming than vocals!😭

For the main vocalist it depends of the agency some like Hybe or JYP will give the main vocalist the main vocalist to stronger vocalist technique wise but but give the high note to the member with the highest voice (ex : BTS and Itzy, main vocalist are Jungkook and Lia but Jimin and Yeji a in charge of the high notes) Other like SM where the main vocalist is the stronger and sing high notes along the lead vocalist (and sometime the others vocalists if they can) But some group like Everglow or DC follow the logic that the main vocal is the one who have the highest voice.

I genuinely do not care about centers but chaehyun IS actually the official center in kep1er. they emphasized it more during debut but there are several contents where they refer to her as the center

Yeah there is so many good 4th gen vocalists but some people chose to ignore them 😕

How come do you manage to spill facts so hard everytime ? YOU SPILLED 💅✨ I LOVE YOUR OPINIONS SOO MUCH THE 8TH ONE!! LOUDER!!!! The Fact that in the middle of this video i was literally about to share my opinion about that writing credits one but you read my mind 😭✨ The 8th opinion>>>>

1. I agree wholeheartedly. I do think that this discussion is basically borderline pointless and that by now, even if Chaehyun is the official center, Xiaoting is (maybe rightfully so) already practically treated as more of a center than her so why complaining about something that practically doesn't even influence on something on the actual group and its members? 2. I KNOW RIGHT??? I already saw people bragging about their faves making into billboards top like that it's the most big deal ever. Of course, that is good but indeed, it will never hold the same power as being big in their own country. Firstly because it's their country, secondly because it's the country that gives them the most profit before Japan and China and third because it will definitely give them a lot of more benefits like future careers outside of a group such as turning into actors, maybe going to another group or becoming a soloist. I feel like people think that international/global popularity is everything and there's no way that an artist/idol/musician might be satisfied with just being popular in their own country, (or even continent, region and whatsoever) because everyone in the world needs to know them and if they don't, they essentially failed their careers. And I agree completely with your points there, it's true that Japan and Korea (and Asia as a whole, especially China) are definitely the countries that invests and gives Kpop the most revenue possible so I do think that it's only fair for them to prioritize and invest more there because let's be honest, I-fans don't hold the same power that Korean and for extension, Asian fans do. If not, they wouldn't give K-netz opinions into consideration a lot more. That is exactly why I didn't got so upset over R U Next?'s lineup, I already expected that they would prioritize the Korean and Japanese fans a whole lot than the international ones. Although yes, it was still messed up for them to sell this idea of a global group in the first place just to basically throw all of that out some episodes later so it's totally valid to feel like you just had your time wasted. I feel like, if they already made it clear that they wanted an Asian focused group with the help of asian fans (in specific, the Korean and Japanese ones) and the judges, then I think that no one would have a problem with the lineup because firstly, it's their right and secondly, that would have spared a lot of the viewers time. 4. True, there's no way that these are just about a simple Macaroni cheese and it shows because why would dropping it on someone's body be something innocent, right? That made me pretty disappointed because the song is really good and the girls are so pretty and talented. However, I will stay tuned to them and I just hope that they will review their music better in the future so that things like this doesn't happen anymore. :( And 5. WOOOW, habla mesmo! People like to complain about how it's always the same rigging situation but then goes to watch the next survival show. Like gurl, make your mind up. And true, being an Idol is not just about singing and dancing because if you're a idol, you're basically also a performer/entertainer so a lot of other factors might be taken into consideration to debut someone like you said, and it counts whether it is by debuting by training normally or through survival shows. Also they're the professional ones, they live in that environment and most likely must know what they're doing.

“go and stan a songwriter” LMAO YES

Xiaoting’s case is not about centre because who cares when she can be noticed clearly anywhere. The major dispute is the line distribution, and she finally got a complete full line in Galileo

i think that the thing with "tiktok songs" is that now producers only try to make that, there was always a balance between silly songs and serious songs, but now producers see how good "tiktok songs" they try to create that but hey, what do i know?

For the survival shows votes the more fair to me is : 50% votes of juges 50% votes of public And within the public vote : 50% korean and 50% global

Opinion 5: AGREED. Can I also add onto that: the evil editing excuse for every questionable/unlikable thing an idol does or says on survival shows is tired af. Yes of course Mnet will edit shows to favor certain members (esp when they can no longer rig it) but saying each time a foreign trainee is shown in a less-than-positive way is bc Mnet is editing it that way is just NOT true.

why are ur opinions so perfect i just want every twitter stan to be like u

About Runext: the thing is, if you Watch the show It is VERY clear that talent was never taken into account. Nobody needs a degree in vocals and dance to see that contestants like Jiwoo and Chanelle we’re way more developped and ready to debut than Wonhee, Moka and Iroha yet they didnt. What’s frustrating is that they kept changing the rules of voting last minute up to the finale to assure that the lineup hybe wanted would happen. At least with mnet show you knew from the beginning how voting would work. In short it’s not that the final lineup is horrible, but that hybe should have just selected and debuted the members they wanted from the beginning without making a survival show if It was going to be like this anyway.

About the survival show: what i hate is how its apparently okay to go around,saying the show was rigged just because the most popular contestant or your fav isnt in the lineup. Like-no,you are not a judge and even if internationally that contestant was popular maybe no one cared about them in korea. Get over it. (This is not targeted to the creator,but just orher people)

Internal judges can be pressured by the management to pick which participants get to debut. Who knows what happened behind the scenes.

I feel like some companies are purposely putting controversial lyrics to gain traction esp with what happened with Cookie. For Christ's sake, I don't typically associate everything with sexual things but any adults would know that Cookie song is a sexual innuendo. They made NJ to say it's just about Cookie when the SONGWRITERS are adults?? Come'on.. We ain't that stupid. Now DSP seemed to use the marketing strategy from HYBE. Without this controversy, I wouldn't have known about Young Posse AT ALL. So pretty much, they reached their objective.

i don't get young posse's name either

love your intro!

Reddit stans will never accept the #2 no matter how hard we tried to explained. In general Reddit is very American centric.

I totally agree with you with the young posse opinion. I also think there are other cases in K-pop where groups with minors have had innapropriate lyrics or sexual innuendos and no one’s really mentioned them. Like fever by Enhypen for example, Niki was a minor when that song released and I’m pretty sure Jungwon was too but I’m not sure. Also Enhypen released bite me recently and Niki was still a minor?? And this isn’t the only example either there’s others like ice cream cake by red velvet. It’s really disgusting how this is pretty common and I think it’s only getting worse because what if another company decides to copy what’s happened with new jeans cookie and young posse macaroni cheese? It just disgusts me

For opinion number 5 I do agree we need to come to a consensus about survival shows, but I think the issue with r u next specifically was that they led viewers to believe our votes mattered, but the judges votes basically overruled that. It should've been a half and half thing because the way eliminations worked the number of fan votes did next to nothing.

Everyone has decided to keep quiet about this young posse situation but when it was newjeans they ran WILD. I thought kpop stans cared about minors. Why aren't they protesting everywhere to boycott this group right now

Pandering to knetizens (especially when they cancel a member over something we deem as nothing) seems ridiculous to us foreigners but it's a monster the kpop companies created and cannot control and are too afraid of to face head on.

exactly! xiaoting is my bias and i think she fits the center but like what is the point of constantly pointing out that she deserves the spot better than x and y when she gets the role appropriate to her skillset anyways????? what's the point other than shading her own group member????? macaroni cheese is just bad. like sounds bad and unenjoyable on top of the lyrics being inappropriate. DSP messed up big time. SHUT UPPP you read my mind!!!!! 2nd gen songs would do sooooooo well on tiktok and this isn't even a drag these are all bops, like even pretty girl and mr by kara taking over tiktok ah the vision!

if i am not wrong the members of Young Posse wrote the lyrics for the Song. Like This really shows the song reflects their age and just because something sounds suggestive , that doesn't mean it has to be taken as an innuendo. Them singing the song like this is a sign to the kind of music teenagers listen to and their music taste. The song is plainly about macaroni cheese. Their point was to make the song sound addictive and they did it. I hope this fact spreads more

Ugh finally someone with their own takes. I disagree with some things here but thats GOOD. If I wanted to hear my own opinions said to me, Id sent a voice note in a GC and just listen back to it 😂 Im gonna check our ur other stuff

The voice changer coupled with 'young posse' really really really sound like young psy...dang

About domestic vs. international popularity: people forget how idols actually make money. Album sales are important, but there are also other, probably more important sources of income - advertizing contracts and concerts. And you need to be popular in one, specific market to be able to get a good advertizing contract or sell tickets to concerts. Being in top 10 of one market is better than being top 200 in 100 markets, because it brings more opportunities. Simply speaking - it's better to be a top star in one country than being an almost nugu in 100 countries. You will be invited to TV shows, galas, concerts, you will be highly paid for advertising products, you will get much more chances of showcasing your music.

Young Posse’s lyrics are wild, I cannot believe they said that; the MV was already questionable, but the translation is horrid💔💢

Thank you for making this video! The 8th opinion yess!!!

Yea kpop is more popular in America but I don’t think it’s as mainstream as people think. Like people really only seem to just know what kpop is and Bts x bp but don’t actually listen to them since their fanbases are still the one doing stuff for them not the general public

I can understand what you're trying to tell on 3rd opinion Ik you're talking about company's perspective I can't understand what's the company obsession with highnotes Like what's the use of hitting them when you'll end up straining it Eg :- Yuqi is better than Minnie nd can actually support her notes but still Minnie has main vocal Its not smthg new but seriously companies need to consider vocal support etc more while giving positions to idols

The discussion about domestic & international success is one that happens only in English speaking countries istg.

honestly I've fully ignored the young posse group just because the song title and group name sounds like a joke... but like bfr. Super young minors too???? Can we stop giving this stuff the attention that makes it seem appealing to companies to do? It's disgusting. I totally agree with your sentiment to say that you disagree with something (debuting minors for example) once and then ignore it, because that's the only way to not give them any publicity. I wish K-pop stans were better at that. They honestly act like toddlers so often Anyways good opinion video as always, spitting straight facts. I do wish however, understanding that k-pop is ofc multifaceted in skills, that companies invested in good singing lessons for their idols because at the end of the day, bare basics they are singers.

while i agree with some things in the tiktok song take, it’s just plain wrong to claim tiktok hasn’t had a drastic affect on the kind of music groups are putting out nowadays. it’s rare to see groups make proper songs anymore that aren’t simply meant to be a dance challenge and become a viral tiktok song, instead of to be streamed and praised for its artistry. it has also affected the production of quality, interesting choreographies and performances. it okay for a group to release an easy going catchy song every now and then simply meant for fans to dance along to and get stuck in their head, but i barley see any throughly and well produced songs and concepts anymore. tbh it just seems like ur sick of ppl calling ur music taste “tiktok songs”…. so r acting as if there hasn’t been a massive shift in music quality.

Groups like Young Posse or songs like their debut , 16y/o doing inappropriate choreos kinda makes me go away from Kpop as a whole...though I know I should NOT do this cuz other groups exist

In young posse's mv, theres a tattooo on the lip that says no goalie. It makes me very uncomfortable

The only one's I disagree with are the ones about Young Posse and R U Next (but only slightly). Like with Young Posse, people are DEFINITELY talking about it. Every time I get online I see people speaking about it negatively. HOWEVER, I see a lot more people defending this one way more than Cookie. Like people acted like Cookie was the worst invention and yes you can clearly tell it's about sexual stuff, as the feminine region lol gets referred to as cookie, but so does Mac and cheese. Like before I even saw that it was a Kpop group, heard the song or saw the lyrics, my immediate thought was sex. Because EVERYONE compares sex to Mac and cheese. The lyrics are obviously a spin on that. I mean a lot of idols have come out and said that songs about food are definitely not about food. Like that's why I only half disagree because people are talking about it, but I think it's mainly Americans. A lot of comments I saw defending it kept saying "Americans are all dirty minded and keep trying to make Kpop western and sexual" but I ain't about to argue with them. With RUNEXT, and you spoke on it which I guess not disagreeing with YOU but others like Judges are VERY biased. In survival shows in practice rooms they SHOW judges being biased towards people because they're cute. Like literally that's it no talent but they're cute. All judges are biased but the industry like you said is more than just the music. If it was only about the music we wouldn't have certain celebrities and the quality of music would be a lot better overall, but it's definitely about looks and aesthetics especially now. But I HEAVILY agree with the fourth gen one TT. Like I like 1st-3rd gen more, most of my favorite groups being first and third gen groups, and of course I PREFER other generations due to the heavy vocals and not just empty choruses (mainly 3rd). But 4th gen isn't ass. Like I'm EATING up every Itzy and IVE comeback. I feel like the only person that likes Treasure's music. I like noise music (although I do feel like Stray Kids is hit or miss like some comebacks slap and the others I'm like yeah unreleased this noise). Like are there things I miss about other generations, yes. Mainly how you mentioned the "tiktok" songs. Cute fun songs that were just there to be catchy and banned from being played before exams. Fourth gen has a lot of good dancers and vocalists. Like you said PURPLE KISS' VOCAL LINE!!!! However I do think people pay more attention to big 3 and while they aren't bad again Aespa can sing, Itzy can dance but there are groups outside of SM and JYP (because it's always those groups along with IVE) that are VERY talented and would be heavily liked by 2nd-3rd gen Stans. But I do think tiktok music then and tiktok music now is very different. That was just the genre of music back then TT. For me personally, it's mainly when I see older idols hop on the trend. Like idc about Riize having a cute song to do a tiktok challenge to but why is Hyoyeon watering down her amazing dancing to do a tiktok challenge with 40 people?

NewJeans got so much hate for their debut because they were from hybe and NOT mainly because they were minors or their debut song like lets admit it

To be honest, I believe that people were only quick to call on NewJeans and MHJ because they’re popular and breaking records. Also they’re under HYBE along with BTS and they hate BTS. If Young Posse were under the same company, you best believe people would be quick to call out MHJ.

Im the 127th like 😍😍

I wouldn't say that no one wasnt talking about Young Posse. Nugu Promoter stopped promoting the song after a few of us raised concerns about the lyrics

i agree with you!

i have to heavily agree on opinion 6😭

😂i could not stop laughing at the 4th opinion bc the voice

Heavy on opinion 2

and you spilled

omg so early???

Like why are people so obsessed with writing credits Even in vocal , vocal support matters Even in rap! Just bcz someone writes that doesn't mean they will be better lmao Like rap is literally about Flow & Delivery that's the most imp thing Someone who don't write but has great Flow nd delivery would be better than the one who don't have good flow but write

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opinion 5 YES OMG

opinion 8 is SO TRUE

Unrelated but I thought your name was pronounced as soft 4 tang like the powdered drink 😶😶😭😭

0:29 LOUDER!!! xiaoting stans cant go 5 seconds without hating on chaehyun, theyre just mad shes more talented than their fave 🤭

some of my opinions these r not rlly relevant to the video but these r things i always wanted to say FIRST army and blinks both these fandoms should know how to respect eachother they are always fighting and hating on each of the groups members WE ALL KNOW THAT BTS IS THE BIGGEST BOY GROUP AND HAS PAVED THE WAY FOR KPOP BUT IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT BLACKPINK IS THE BIGGEST GIRL GROUP the lyric in their song the girls ‘paved the way’ made so many armys mad and made them hate the song but the thing is ITS JS A SONG and also its not like bts promoted blackpink or smthing they got famous and well know bcs they had talent Its true that bts made it big but blacpink did pave the way for GIRL groups ANOTHER THING IS COMPARING IDOLS this gotta be the shi11est thing a fan can do like get over urselves

these opinions are as mild as babybel cheese lol

Heyy

2:42 this makes ZERO sense

The young posse i heard about in a short and i found it disgustig even more than NewJean, and even the name is awfully disgusting.

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