Many Latinos are so entrenched in Latinidad, yet refuse to acknowledge race. Yet there would be no Latino culture without the convergence of three races of people. They will say that race is just a social construct but so is the term Latino. My mother is Louisiana Creole and my father Cuban/Puerto Rican. My mother is very light skin with hazel eyes and straight hair. My dad is dark brown with tightly curled hair. People assume that it is my mother who is Latino. My paternal relatives upon meeting my mom thought that she was the most beautiful woman assuming her to be a Latina, when they found out that she was Black they had the nerve to look down upon her! So this goes deeper than colorism. There is an overall disdain for anyone with or claiming heritage from Africa.

I’d love to hear more from actual Afro-Latinos from Latin America countries, the Carribean (the islands if I got the name wrong) and also Afro-Latinos in America. Also have them lead the conversation. Please just dark skinned, not mixed and/or light skinned and medium skinned folks. I hear too much from very light and white Latinos who talk about what they see - not experience. As a Black American it’s kind of hard to understand how light skinned and white Latinos say they’re brown when they’re literally NOT “brown” or even dark. I know it might be difficult to network to find these panelists but in the future it would be great to hear from them collectively and separately. But this is a growing channel so I’m here for the journey and even this conversation.

I had a very dark skinned latino relative (I’m latina and African American/Black American) say an old hispanic lady called her the N word. Her response to the lady, in Spanish, was, “first of all I’m not a n***er. I’m PR, not Black.” I wouldn’t have been offended if she said she’s not a N***er, because she’s not, none of us are. Instead, she separated herself from her very very evident blackness and reaffirmed this woman’s racist idiology towards Black people by not admonishing her.

I live in Chicago and it is a MESS here. I am a Black American and I have felt racism from the Latine community. The crazy thing is that I went to HS school with Latine people and felt so loved. Race wasn’t an issue with us. Post HS and being in the “real world” it completely different. I have been trying to figure out how to respond to anti-blackness, so Thank you for this conversation.

Why is the host speaking for Jamaican culture and assuming there are no color issues in the country? Cringe. This convo could’ve benefitted from Afro Panamanians, Cubans, and Haitians.

Just some facts: 1. Many Latin countries didnt allow black immigrants but were welcoming Nazis with OPEN ARMS for them to escape their consequences. In fact many were happy to welcome Germans because they imagined blondes, light skin, light eyes etc and believed that welcoming people like that would help lighten their populations. Of course white people were already in Latin countries however being from southern/iberian europe meant they usually had dark hair, olive to tanned skin and dark eyes etc. 2. In BR, at least for my grandparents, there was a racial cleansing era. Meaning, their family would literally pressure them or try to persuade them into ONLY choosing white or light mixed race partners in order to LIGHTEN/WHITEN their family tree aka "cleanse" it. 3. What i have noticed is that Afro Latino and black is not necessarily the same. Somebody can identify as Afro latino but be mixed race or still mostly non black why? Because some latinos want to acknowledge their african heritage no matter the amount so they will identify as Afro Latino. Here is the issue though, in Brazil if you are afro latino and look or are generationally mixed many of the "colorblind" people would use them as an example to say Black Brazilians dont have issues or that racism or "race" does not exist in the country. 4. In BR we have a holiday were people would darken their skin and wear afros, we also have many names for women who look like that. Point is, that many darkskin brazilians are conditioned to not find that kind of stuff offensive however if that was done in the USA there would be a lot of outrage. Just an example to say that Racism/Colorism exists but its just so normalized to the point that many darkskin black people dont even see it as an issue. 5. In general Latinos in the US only acknowledge race when it comes to identifying as non white (even if they are white), yet the moment they return to latin america, whether its for holiday or to live, the personality completely changes. Some identify as white in their home countries but simply not in the US and they ignore the mistreatment of natives, black people or unambiguous mixed race people.

All of these people are light skin...they need to have more melaninated people in this conversation

This was great, I would love to see a part 2 with more discussion from people with DR, PR, Cubans, Haitian and Jamaican backgrounds, especially living in NY, that would be a great contrast to add to this topic. Much love to all the guests on the show and sharing your experience with us all 💛

I'll save you the 38 minute watch: YES.

I love Stranger Fruit and all its content and loved this conversation! However, I felt like there was a huge opportunity missed by not including dark(er)-skin physically black presenting latin people. While I loved the panel and some of their experiences are very similar to mine, being Afro-Latina myself, one of the main differences in how we’re perceived and treated by Latinidad is unfortunately, skin color. A topic that I would like to hear is how colorism affects how you’re seen/treated within Latinidad or how Afro-Latinos are seen/treated within the African diaspora. Being a dark skin Latina, I never have to prove my blackness, while someone of a lighter shade may have had to. As a dark skin Latina, I always get “quizzed” on my Spanish, while someone who is more “Latinidad acceptable”, may have been given more grace or is never questioned. Just examples. Love this channel!! Please let me know how I can continue to show my support!!! ❤🇯🇲🇩🇴

Michelle, thank you for being vulnerable. I know how hard that is. We should connect! I am also a GuateMaican in the US- I don’t know anyone else except for my brother with this mix.

Jose and Michele need a 3-hour studio time where they formulate the questions, they formulate the issues, and they analyze on packet and verbalized good deeper meaning. Everyone on the panel was excellent, but Jose and Michelle spoke of things that I never spoken or analyzed before. thankyou to all panelists it was great.

Im Afro Latino. ALL the black people in my family are latino and my family is heavily mixed with biracials, black people and white people. I think what makes racism in the Latin world so bad is that we dont know or learn our history properly. When we are in the US or Europe we always say or act as if race isnt a topic in our countries yet. In the US Latinos (non black latinos) constantly talk about the US having soooooooooo many race issues, they talk about "racism" against white latinos, they talk about xenophobia they talk about north american history but were is this knowledge when it comes to our own history? North America literally has the same history as south america, central america and latino islands when it comes to europeans, slavery, racism etc...the difference is (regardless of what people think of the US) the US has recognized its mistakes, its racism, slavery, colonialism however the Latin world has not instead most of us just pretend we never had those issues in our countries and that we are all colorblind and we are all the same lmao yet the first image in their head whe it comes to being latino is a white latino or the racially ambiguous mixed race latino (typically mostly white + native).

What’s hitting hard for me is the realization that the experience and pain the last sister spoke about speaks to the entirety of the African American experience. There was no escape valve (I use the term escape loosely because nobody is spared) into Latino or other identities. African American culture is born of the fight for full humanity that is intimately intertwined with Blackness. This young lady’s pain is obviously the result of trauma. Just think about an entire people dealing with that for hundreds of years! Yet African Americans are still here and a strong people. That is a profound testimony to that community’s resilience, genius and strength. Not better than any other community but definitely not less than.

It also translates into what opportunities parents work to make available to a child. My light-skinned sister got dance classes, modeling school, public speaking classes, and other paid activities that were not offered to the rest of us. My parents felt that her light skin was going to make opportunities available to her in life that she had to be prepared for. They didn't think in those terms for us. We just needed a decent education, we weren't going to have use for the extras. They were preparing her to be white

Amazing conversation that really hit home. I appreciate y’all featuring the bi-racial latino/a perspective (Michelle being Guatemalan/Jamaican). There’s a lot of us in Texas (and California I’m sure) that would love to contribute to the conversation. Looking forward to part 2⚡️

He was dropping gems there about intersectionality of race and sexuality. His mother could reconcile with him dating a white man than dating a dark skin black woman. The hate runs deep.

I don't understand why some people say "I'm not black I'm dominican or such and such" Black refers to you're appearance for the most part and the way society treats you , you can be black and american black and african black and european you can be black and from wherever you like. Black isn't just african american what is this nonesense

Why is there no darkskin person who is Latin in this conversation?

Michelle, you did that! You are extremely beautiful and powerful. I love love love that you brought up embodying dismantling anti-blackness through actions of care. Transformative perspective. Keep learning and loving yourself and your Blackness/Africanness - we all reach our awakening at different points and times in our life journey. Black and dark skin is seen as power. Those who hate against you and us do it in fear and insecurity, and they feel powerful only when they can take yours away. Don't let them take your power from you! Sending love

Jose was great, the best speaker in this panel, and he also spoke with a lot of empathy and knowing that this is a process, and it's continued conversation and we haven't arrived! we have to continue to learn from each others experiences and can't dismiss anyone's experience.

thank you all of y’all. This is a hard subject to talk about, specially putting it out there for all of us to watch. You guys are all amazing fr

We need more of these conversations, so we can break down the anti black & browness in Latin America show your kids families and more let’s grow together ‼️

Great conversation! 🇵🇦

I'm Black Honduran, and by the time I was a teenager I had completely disavowed being Latina because of the rampant colorism + racism that I experienced from the communities I was a part of. Today, most people don't even know that I'm Honduran and I embrace myself as a Black person and tell people I'm just Black American. It's a bit sad because as a kid I was very interested in taking pride in being Latina and perfecting my Spanish etc., but seeing how I was treated and how my mom was treated (she's even darker than me and was treated despicably for it) I distanced myself. But honestly, I'm glad that I did because I was embraced fully in the Black community and grew up with so much Black pride. My heart breaks for Michelle. I want to cry with her. I love being black, but I definitely have some things to unpack about being latina

You guys deserve way more subscribers!

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How do latinoes relate to their Indian heritage....I never hear about that

It’s impossible to talk about anti-black racism white supremacy with people who acknowledge culture but are colourblind/blind to the concept of race. Plus the woman is a Mixed Race Latina not a Black Latina woman, please let the 'one drop rule' die. You needed some unambiguously Black latinx people in this conversation. I hate it when they confuse culture with race, culture (ethnicity) and nationality of three different things.

My Michelle! You are so powerful! Your story is important! Your healing is important! Your voice is important!! Love this for you!!

You need to have this same discussion here in NYC/NJ where you have a large demographic of Latin (Caribbean/Central & South American)BLACK REPRESENTING (phenotypically & melanin wise, ex., Celia Cruz, Johnny Ventura, La Lupe, Cortijo, Roberto Clemente, Ruth Fernandez, Ozuna, Tego Calderon etc.,)folks. In addition it is imperative to cast Afro Latinos who’s BOTH PARENTS lineage stem from Latin American countries. Common sense would have told you guys that there isn’t a large BLACK LATINO demographic on the west coast. WAKE UP!!! 🤯🤯🤯🤯

Just subscribed! Really great conversation. This a great example of anti- blackness as more than an American mentality, but a global one.

Great conversation!!

I respect and Love this conversation as Black jamaican decent but out of many one ppl panama is in the blood im proud to see that emotions exist about being black within latin communities.

Sending love and compassion to my sister. I really appreciate your transparency and courage to show your vulnerability. Thank you, this was a great conversation and I hope that it bring understanding and healing surrounding this issue. This was healing balm and I hope we have more of these discussion in all of our communities.

This is a good topic of conversation, but it got highjacked‼️ It's like having a cooking show and not talking about food and it's ingredients. There were NO Hispanics before the three races mixed. Native/Black/Spanish and it expanded.. However these Afro-Latino conversations need unambiguous Black Afro-Latino (non mulatto) who are talking about race, not sexuality preference. It dilutes and eclipse the actual topic.

I moved to the Island of St. Lucia 1981 at 27 to pioneer teach the Bahai faith, I was a blonde pretty California style girl and this is a black Nation. From day one I had a heartfelt love for the people and their ways so deep it would bring tears to my eyes . This is a warm hearted people with a colonial background that got their Independance Feb. 22 1979 and keeping warm ties with England. I felt so at home here for 43 years, and I feel a deep love from the people and they know I love them. I am not a white savior I am their friend and willing to suffer alongside. Yes there is a lot of trauma from the past but the people did not develop hard edges in their hearts. Still warm,with some ill effects of a sweeping materialism that tends to deaden us from development but the soul of the Nation is still evident.

Soynalgonas experience is so real and valid loved that he also touched on being multicultural and being a product of your environment as well

I came across this video scrolling. And I'm grateful to see this conversation on KZfaq. Respect to the panel for their honesty and strength. More of these conversations need to be held. I am an African from South America and living in America I've seen the racist card played out between the black's and Latinos. We are all one people and the miseducation must be taught by this generation. So proud of you all. A touching and emotional panel. Love the convention and the eye opening. Unity is strength! Raspect

Usually in Latin America groups like Mulattoes, Pardos, And Zambos are not seen as Black but there own racial groups just as Mestizos, Pardos, Zambos, And Harnizos are not see as Indigenous but as there own race types yeah.

YES. Recently a Brazilian saying th n-word all over my apartment where he is couchsurfing under my roof. To my face as a Black person, pretending that he has no idea what race is. Telling me that there is one Black person in his family that they all call the n-word as a joke. Then when I confront him we have an honest conversation about 'preto' and what it means in Brazil. All of a sudden he understands everything. My wish for him is that he continues using the n-word in America.

Jose is on point (the brother isn't holding back, which is what we do too much of in this country that we live in). We need to be able to talk about things like this in the open with no filter, etc. If we don't talk, educate and crush the malarkey how do we grow? I remember a quote from Dr. House on the show called House (oh you believe a white man can't leave a person fatherless in so many words). White people divorce and leave their kids too (they have a lot of bastard kids all over Latin America that they never claimed per se from African and Indigenous women). They're doing it in Asia now too because Asian women are a thing for them now. It started in the Philippines with the Spanish and into modern times.

This was beautiful, I really appreciated this video

Beautiful panel feels like home fr

I’m just a few minutes in. You guys have missed out the early history of Mexico and the role classism has had on color. There is a good book that discusses the Spaniard history on classism on its implication on skin color. It’s called “Distant Neighbor”.

I enjoyed Jose’s approach to culture and understanding how black people ran so that all people of color can walk in the U.S. My heart is with Michelle that she was treated that way, as a black woman I haven’t had that experience but I’m sure it was awful.

Michelle, your Black is Beautiful sis ❤️

Another powerful share. Gracias

I smiled throughout this entire video such good conversation 💕

This was cool to hear. I grew up in NYC and never understood (and still don't) where the latino community felt that they were better than when we were attending the same schools and living in the same community. The non minority population looked down on us the same way.

great convo! i think next time people of darker skin tone should be included as well. specifically afro latinos that cannot pass for being biracial.

31:18 true but what’s also true is that they intentionally made the black dolls ugly on purpose

Anyone who has been raised around Latinos or lives near them knows the answer to this question.

Jose comment on gay white men is 100% on point

My kids are multicultural. My youngest whose phenotypes are culturally black wanted a white doll. I got her the white doll because her father is white, but I also bought Asian, black (all complexions) Latin dolls. It was important to me that she knew that she is black but she can love the beauty of all cultures and races.

I echo some of the comments here that we needed to have representation from darker skinned afro latinas. I've travelled to Cuba and the Dominican Republic several times and have heard some really sad and eye opening stories from the unambiguously black latinos about their treatment and experiences which needs to be heard and shared more widely.

34:29 THIS RIGHT HERE! preach Jose PREACH!!!

This was a great episode! Keep doing these!

This was great

Great conversation. As a black man (dark skin at that) the story of internal racism within our community hits just like this one.

Conversations around this subject always fall short because Haitians, who are completely ignored in Latinidad, are never present. Haiti represents the experience of nonambiguous Black Latinos across the Latin America. You do not have to have a Black (non-Latin) Caribbean/ American/African parent to be considered Latinx. Nonambiguous Afro-Latino/a/x are present in Latin America in the very countries these panelist descend from. Don't get me started on Latinidad's anti-indigenous sentiments either.

Great convo! ❤

They are having a discussion about anti Blackness with only one person who could be considered Black participating. I prefer the travel blogs filmed in places like Palenque, Columbia or Guerrero, Mexico that actually show the lives of Black people. But, at least, they are having this discussion.

Love this parents from 🇧🇿, great grandparents from 🇭🇳 and Guatemala 🇬🇹 ( lots of Afro Latinos in all 3 countries)

THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!!!!!! LOVE YOU, @soynalgona!

Very important and extremely helpful conversation!

I love the work you all are doing!!!

My heart goes out to the lady who is mixed that hurts.

Anti Blackness is the most challenging form of racism because it must be proven every day. If it is generally acknowledged, that would mean its perpetrators ( from all backgrounds) are immoral and that’s what’s hard to accept. Black people are the first human beings, so anti blackness is not just immoral, it’s a sin against God because you are saying his primary creation is inferior.

People should not mix, because of this issues

Little Black girl (@Michelle Morales of the world. We love you brothers and sisters. God bless your strength, courage, your push, and loving your true self and identity as Afro-latinas. We love, support, uplifted and bless you.🙏🏽❤️

This was an amazing conversation

BTW, I have never heard anyone say “mejor la raza”. EVER. This must be a current saying and by current I mean this was NOT a saying in the 1960’s 1970’s 1980’s.

Why is the panel not displaying the Afro-latinos? Y’all don’t know not ONE person? Isn’t it ironic that it plays into the title?

I’m soooo tired of the colourism from my own people, I feel the need to say iwas born and raised by a black woman and my siblings as well, it starts with us, duh? Stop the separation, I do understand it and see it with the others but what I don’t understand is when it comes from my own people. You should educate and open others minds, cause I get the blindness but we are black, my hair is black, my skin is black, now fuck off and put your own insecurity in other ways. Let’s Fight the right battles, we’re in this together💕

My maternal grandmother was born in the early 1900’s. She affectionately called me “mi India” because of the color of my skin. My grandmother was a white looking Hispanic who an indigenous. I’m a lighter Hispanic but compared to my grandmother, I guess I had some color. Who knows. Anyways, you guys don’t get the the affect of classism. You have been exposed to USA perspective and missing out the early Latino affect of classism on color.

My mother had never seen a black person until she came to the USA. She is a baby boomer, no tv and no radio when she was growing up in Latin America. She had no concept, or no preconceived ideas of black people. She met and worked with black people here in Los Angeles.

It has always been odd to me how Native culture and acknowledgement of having native blood seems to be so divorced from many Latin cultures. Especially considering that native ancestry/bloodline has been much more preserved in Latin countries than compared to the United States.

Gen Z lingo episode yes yes yes. It is surreal to see the explosion, yet whether from the black community, latin community or the queer black and latin community they either have no idea or no respect from where "their" words originated or why. Fox News already ruined the true meaning of stay woke for me, Gen Z is slowly eroding most other cherished sayings for me now. #grumpyoldmillenial

To Michelle on the panel, I hope you read this, I pray that you truly learn to love yourself because black is beautiful. Visit Jamaica, you'll love it. Lastly, don't believe for a second that your dad leaving had anything to do with him being black. There are men and women of every race, and culture that have abandoned their families. It is not simply a black thing. I have been with my husband since college (that's over 30 years) . This year we'll be married for 24 years and we're both black. Many friends I know have been together as long as I have and longer, and they too are black. You have to truly love your self and appreciate both sides of who you are in order to be happy.

Black is strong and Royalty 💕🌎

I lived in Lynwood in the late 1960’s through early 1970’s and NO, Latinos didn’t speak Ebonics, EVER. All the teachers were white. I spoke English at school and home. I only spoke Spanish with my grandparents.

Latin X? What the hellos is that? I miss the Latino problems of yesterday year, before social media. When I was little there was only like 4 hours of Spanish TV on Sunday. Our English was spot on as was our Spanish, no Spanglish no pronouncing words with a Spanish accent when speaking English.

Short answer YES but thats the result of spanish colonialization and the hierarchy they created within Latin american countries. Anglophone countries where im from had a whole different approach to race that they see whites as whites ,mixed race or either black or indigenous , black is black and asian is brown. Those who have closer complexion to whites get better treatment , more opportunities and are more likely successful in the anglo-world. Latinos who are white in their country find themselves knocked off the hierarchy once they step foot in the anglosphere

The indigenous Latinos are so beautiful sometimes I see a degree of resemblance with Native Americans are there any distance relations there?

It's Summer Time. Enjoy your Brown and Black Melanin Piel, Mi Gente! Con Color tienes Mas Sabor! Y Punto! Your Ancestors and Ancient Ancestors are with You All.

It should be how does colorism affect the Latin community, not whether it exists. It's obvious it does.

Watching this episode was like watching 3 childless people talk about parenting and the one parent on stage was given a tiny portion of time to explore the topic at hand. How can you talk about anti-blackness in the Latin community but not stack the deck with ALL BLACK LATINOS??? 1) you spent 20 of the 37 min talking to people who are neither 'black latinos' or 'darker than a brown paper bag'. They spoke about something they have NEVER experienced first-hand. It was weird hearing them speak from a 3rd person perspective (from hearsay and observations but not 1st hand experience). Their perspectives were very interesting and very valid. They deserve to be placed in a show about being Latin in a white colonial society. It had no business leading a show about anti-blackness amongst Latin cultures. 2) the one Afro-Latina, Michelle, was finally given the floor AFTER THE OTHERS spoke (very reflective of how telenovelas treat their black characters...but I digress). She should have LED THE SHOW and her experiences should've steered the conversation. Then when she bore her heart...eery silence!! I was super uncomfortable with how alone she looked crying and expressing herself. There was no connection from the others concerning what she said. When they finally did speak, they came from the 'cranial empathic perspective', not a 'heart-felt, I've walked in your shoes, connection.' There was no exchange of familiar experiences bc they don't have them nor real synergy with her. Constanza could only say 'yeah', 'hmm" and 'right' bc she hasn't lived it either. 3) Constanza made a failed attempt to connect but ended up centering herself in her responses to Michelle. She centered herself when talking about being lighter-skinned and being told that she is 'better' and comparing it to how darker-skinned Latinos are invalidated. She centered herself when she talked rejecting a doll bc she was black. There was more support in the stats you all put on screen than what anyone actually said to Michelle. *NOTE: No one mistreated Michelle nor made her feel bad. That's not what I'm saying nor implying. Everyone was friendly, relatable and professional. I really enjoyed watching them exchange ideas. I'm saying you all should've done the work to find BLACK LATINOS to speak about this very sensitive topic. I found your page yesterday from suggested videos and watched 'Biracial vs Black'. Both episodes were informative and I was super excited about finding your account! Sadly, this episode gives me pause. I had to speak up bc the ball was fumbled on so many levels. You didn't honor the subject matter nor give it a safe space to breathe. And what's even worse, you all used Michelle's clip to tease the episode, making us believe that's the show was going to really flush out the conversation of anti-blackness. You're in LA, so I know there are Black Latinos in DEI, higher ed, authors, reporters, cultural experts, etc, that you can talk to that can really give an informed perspective about this very important topic. I am a journalist. I delved into this subject back in 2001 on a talk show I produced for a PBS affiliate and that was before 'Afro-Latino" and talking about anti-blackness in Latin culture was a thing. I found a Black Latina to talk about it by calling around town and getting references. You have many more resources than I had 22 years ago. Finding experts shouldn't be a difficult task. After watching ''Biracial vs Black', I truly believe that you all want to be a trust-worthy and reliable resource for people to use when learning about taboo and sensitive topics. That's so important amongst all the fluff shows out here. The "Biracial vs Black' conversation was well-rounded. The guests were diverse in perspective. The production quality is amazing (I'm also a filmmaker and your show LOOKS DYNAMIC!!). Please take this as an opportunity to do better. Thank you for reading my comment.

Afro latino is not one of your parents is black American. Afro Latino is your a black person from Latin America. Or both of your parents or from Latin America. How can you get this wrong to.

No coincidence that you find that these people who scream all this ‘anti-Blackness’/‘racism’ stuff issues are actually internal..ie their own insecurities and self- hate and then wanna blame whyyyyyte folk🤦🏽‍♀️ Please learn to take accountability and look within!!

Black men or black American men?

Watching ROMA NOW

I also think being Anti-Black to get closer to being white and having black in your bloodline or being non white is being Anti-SELF.

Only in Reggaeton videos. 😊

The Black Dad probably felt all that and left

Yes yes it is.

YES

Yes that right say the sayings in Spanish so we know what to look out for! Lol 😂

Being African Americans is a different culture! Its just a fact of life.latinos come in all colors.

What?