STRATEGY : Lin DAN against LEE Chong Wei

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@Keepcalm-lovesports
@Keepcalm-lovesports 7 жыл бұрын
This is not LCWs weak spot, but rather a spot where he can't do anything bad to Lin Dan. You should have covered the other options LCW actually has in this situation. Long clear to Lin Dans forehand is your death, everybody knows that. Long Clear to his backhand has to be very good, otherwise he is intercepting it. The Cross court drop shot is nice as a surprise element like you showed in the video, but if he does it more often, he will be and was punished. Playing like LCW in this situation is the right thing to do. He is a better tactician than all of us after all and if it's not him then his coaches are.
@TheSagen15
@TheSagen15 7 жыл бұрын
problem is that lin dan anticipated all of them, in some of them lee ended in a really bad situation; make different shots or better drops . but as you say they are better in tactis than us
@bluevastsky
@bluevastsky 7 жыл бұрын
agree with you, lcw racket technique shots placement are probably the best in the world, looking at how his able to play such confident cross court shots including cross court netting. but the problem is with his stamina against lin dan. you can tell that lin dan actually is still as fast and able to attack in game 3 while lcw has drastically slowed down. the cross court net shot is too risky, because if lin dan is able to return lcw has to run much more to return the net.
@Keepcalm-lovesports
@Keepcalm-lovesports 7 жыл бұрын
well, it's Lin Dan. Probably the best tactician out of all players. poor LCW :)
@chaoshi2395
@chaoshi2395 7 жыл бұрын
Lee takes the shot late because Lin Dan's return has great deception, it's really hard to predict where he's gonna hit the shuttle. LCW knows that well.
@gandalfdegrey
@gandalfdegrey 7 жыл бұрын
Marty E well said, I don't think a great athlete would not notice that, for 5 years... However lcw's forehand truly is a bit late, like the coach said
@parkeunwan3081
@parkeunwan3081 7 жыл бұрын
This is a very well made video BUT the tactics between these players are much more complex than this. One of the weak points of LCW is the long forehand corner, but if you look at the tactics Lin Dan has used to beat LCW so many times you will see that he's attacking LCW's second weak point - the backhand defence. therefore LCW want to keep it on the forehand side of lin dan as he is not as dangerous there. if he would cross from the deep forehand it's very easy for lin dan to get the straight smash opportunity to LCW's backhand which is exactly what he wants. So apart from being lin dan's tactics it's also the same from his opponents side. lin dan is playing with the right tactics but so is Lee Chong Wei too!! On the other hand, the reason why LD can play with this tactic is that his shot quality on the push to his opponent's long forehand is very good. on the match point in the olympics final it wasn't and because of that LCW was able to do a one leg jump, which he couldn't in the other situations. from that position he can play any shot and I am sure that if the quality was like that on shots to the long forehand in the world championships 2011, Lee Chong wei would be able to punish those shots as well. In the end everything comes down to shot quality, if the quality on the shots are not good enough the tactics wont even matter that much. So in my opinion, what is most important to study in these matches is the quality in everything they do. I would suggest an analysis on the match between Chen Long and Lee Chong Wei from the final of this year's olympics where you maybe compare the lenght of the shots, the placement and how close to the line their attack is and how tight the net play is. the big reason why chen long is beating lcw is that his quality is better so I would love to see an edited video on that! Btw - your videos are really good shuttle flash and I'm very happy that someone is keeping it up when I'm not doing it any more :D
@HokKan
@HokKan 7 жыл бұрын
Park Eun Wan and prior to the last point, Lin Dan lifted too far in the same corner and sent it out. that might have caused him to play a shorter than ideal lift at the end as to avoid sending another one out
@anhphan3906
@anhphan3906 6 жыл бұрын
LCW's shot quality is not as good as the two chinese rivals, he used his well trained movements and agressive game play to get advantage. So when he was being counter attacked he coulnt able to get out of the situation because it needs the Shot Quality!!
@alexkwan959
@alexkwan959 5 жыл бұрын
The pace is also a big factor which affects shot quality. For example, if your pace is a lot slower than your opponent, the clears and lifts would be a lot higher as your reaching the shot late. therefore this could cost dearly as the person wouldn't be able to gain control the game. In 2016 Lin Dan was quite slow so his shot quality was not the best as you can tell he made more mistakes in the year.
@RingoStaAna
@RingoStaAna 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, lin dan is very dangerous both in his overhead and forehand smash. His overhead smash is so steep and hard and his forehand side smash is very unpredictable. Not saying that his overhead is predictable or his forehand isn't strong enough.
@stradglider
@stradglider 7 жыл бұрын
This crosscourt forehand drop of LCW is his deadliest weapon. He is using it a lot against Lin Dan and all other players. The reason Lin Dan uses so much the push LCW to the forehand is because he is left handed and will have an advantage with most returns. If LCW tries to clear he gets smashed from the best side of LD, if he tries cross clear, it likely to get smashed, cross drop is dangerous too as you are out of position... So, LCW actually choosing the best option for him most of the time... Forehand corner is defenately the weekest pkace when you playing against lefthander, I have seen it on a few occasions.
@suryamohan3410
@suryamohan3410 5 жыл бұрын
but no variation isn't better
@emersonlee9968
@emersonlee9968 5 ай бұрын
Yes, because u mentioned the skill, that is correct, but the real reason for the right handed weakness is because they use wrong footwork to deal with the forehand Push.
@Sn00zy
@Sn00zy 7 жыл бұрын
These videos are so well made, thank you for sharing!
@luffydu88100
@luffydu88100 7 жыл бұрын
your last 3 or 4 videos are very cool ! match analysis, footwork... plus the editing is exelent ! Keep continue ^^
@latadaga9555
@latadaga9555 7 жыл бұрын
julien a I
@kienluu6430
@kienluu6430 2 жыл бұрын
wow, an incredible video about badminton strategy. Thanks Shuttle Flash
@cb826
@cb826 7 жыл бұрын
That surprised cross-court dropshot has used at the exactly right moment and win LCW the biggest match point of his career. In my opinion, I am sure LCW have the ability to return the back forehand shot in anywhere he wants. But returning straight 90% of the time against Lin Dan might also part of LCW's tactics. *In other hand, some may not notice that Lin Dan is very good at blocking cross-court drop or smash. LCW knows this as well. This is all mind-games between Lin Dan and LCW, they understand each others games and ability.
@TheSagen15
@TheSagen15 7 жыл бұрын
im guessing that a cross court net/drive would be suicide from that position against lin dan, same whit straight/cross clear because he could smash it (specially when younger) or intercept it (that stick smash he has) if it isnt high enough. So maybe the problem isnt variation but increase the quality of the dropshot??? With this two legends its very difficult to know, there are so many factors when playing each other. Maybe Lee prefers to run before giving lin dan attack, or maybe he is just unaware of whats happening there... Still really good video, ive watched lin dan vs lee chong wei for years and never realised how much damage lin dan was doing there, you got a like shutteflash
@lwinhtooko4828
@lwinhtooko4828 7 жыл бұрын
In that position, LCW returns are the safest against LD. I really doubt that is LCW weak point.
@likhong
@likhong 7 жыл бұрын
Is it because LD is a left-hander so possibly make LCW this "reflex" return no working?
@lwinhtooko4828
@lwinhtooko4828 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, that makes sense.
@vincentchaksanli5261
@vincentchaksanli5261 5 жыл бұрын
Youpi Cru men’s singles is the battle of the net. Taufik Hidiyat knows it.
@bensontauro7706
@bensontauro7706 6 жыл бұрын
I will always appreciate the efforts into your videos! Good job
@bjarkenicolaisen4502
@bjarkenicolaisen4502 7 жыл бұрын
Such a great video. Really great work lately from you Shuttle Flash, very nice!
@monarchy-5623
@monarchy-5623 7 жыл бұрын
Dat celebration from lcw at the end was a bit outside my imagination, it was so wild. When I look at LD celebrate, he was trying to say 'I did it, I beat myself'. But LCW was like 'I finally beat LD'. I just think there is a difference in the mindset.
@lifely8880
@lifely8880 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video , Love to see lin dan footwork btw!
@preetikutty1715
@preetikutty1715 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing vid Keep up the Great work. Please make more videos of this kind.
@anastasi2009
@anastasi2009 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks! nice analysis !! Great video
@chetank130
@chetank130 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing video and analysis guys @Shuttle Flash!
@tomcatvn108
@tomcatvn108 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for all of your quality content, shuttle flash
@kunalkathpal7167
@kunalkathpal7167 7 жыл бұрын
awesome video man
@rongnui1491997
@rongnui1491997 7 жыл бұрын
awesome vid, the ending deceptive dropshot was epic, it showed lcw finally did learn from his mistake and overcame himself and the fact that it was the last point in the last match during the olympic of the two legends only make it make more badass.
@ruini7015
@ruini7015 7 жыл бұрын
Good job editing the video, Shuttle Flash!
@kaferrari
@kaferrari 7 жыл бұрын
great video!!!
@aimaanzack5358
@aimaanzack5358 7 жыл бұрын
Great video :)
@Sean-yk2cf
@Sean-yk2cf 7 жыл бұрын
right on the point. Great video!!!!!!!!
@arpitgupta808
@arpitgupta808 7 жыл бұрын
A very very nice video..good work for that 👍
@unreal4139
@unreal4139 7 жыл бұрын
really nice vic
@WePlayBestmintonHD
@WePlayBestmintonHD 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video mate ! Good observation too .
@Badmintonforall
@Badmintonforall 7 жыл бұрын
Great video !
@jingchaoliu8402
@jingchaoliu8402 7 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely brilliant!!!
@vivektiwari1482
@vivektiwari1482 7 жыл бұрын
great videos guys keep it up
@usamanaveed5140
@usamanaveed5140 6 жыл бұрын
Gud one shuttle flash excellent work
@Chu_the_Master
@Chu_the_Master 7 жыл бұрын
I subbed your channel because of this
@xmpltdf
@xmpltdf 7 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU so so much
@MrDaryl971
@MrDaryl971 7 жыл бұрын
très belle vidéo merci beaucoup ^.^
@user-ri9ct3mx3z
@user-ri9ct3mx3z 7 жыл бұрын
nice video!
@amitkumar1582
@amitkumar1582 7 жыл бұрын
very nice vedio or i should say its the best of u keep it up make more of it :)
@emilvarjo4020
@emilvarjo4020 7 жыл бұрын
very good video :)
@thech6311
@thech6311 7 жыл бұрын
Hard to see this kind of analysis video. impressive!
@arthurzhu795
@arthurzhu795 7 жыл бұрын
i also noticed this clever strategy during this match. he kept lifting to a position where it's uncomfortable for lcw to take smash. he did the trick again at 2012 london olympic game when it got to a decisive third game.
@growtopianyuannee3196
@growtopianyuannee3196 7 жыл бұрын
please do more of these strategy videos loeve it
@DKChyna
@DKChyna 7 жыл бұрын
to support this, you should look at LCW vs Simon Santoso at Singapore Open 2014. Santoso keeps playing it in the deep forehand
@ELFYHO
@ELFYHO 7 жыл бұрын
Jacob Hoberg. Most of the time in single game, the player will try to send deep forehand especially in professional competition, deep backhand is actually much more easier for player to perform smash.
@trungmai2885
@trungmai2885 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's related to their racket skill. Lin Dan seems to keep the same angle of his racket head facing inside the court when he hits his forehand shots - just like when we're holding our racket for backhand defense. Then for all his forehand shots (high clearance, drop shots, drive) seem to be a slice when he usually rotate the racket in full circle to create the force. So different shots from him look the same and the shuttle seems to spin harder as well. While other players seem to smash like using a hammer. They use too much energy of the whole body to hammer down the racket at their forehand corner. For which, lots of them look fitter than Lin Dan but lose their stamina sooner than him.
@invictuz4803
@invictuz4803 7 жыл бұрын
Holy shit this channel is genius, didn't notice how obvious it was until now.
@manjago1070
@manjago1070 7 жыл бұрын
but sometimes,those LCW forehand shot it seems like his favorite shot !!!
@obitofan0
@obitofan0 7 жыл бұрын
Mohd Dazli
@yanhaohe5545
@yanhaohe5545 7 жыл бұрын
Mohd Dazli Yes, when he's well prepared. Talking about single shots is meaningless at such a level of game. It was a series of rallies that made Lee late for the best attacking opportunity.
@maritzaraniafiah7082
@maritzaraniafiah7082 7 жыл бұрын
barbie
@shuttlesmasher828
@shuttlesmasher828 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly : ) But Lindan is so good at catching opponent's loose play-backs, just this time, he is a little bit unlucky, haha ..
@SpankyHam1993
@SpankyHam1993 7 жыл бұрын
Very nice analysis
@neelamtrivedi996
@neelamtrivedi996 5 жыл бұрын
Great full vedio
@jiarenlee3747
@jiarenlee3747 7 жыл бұрын
Most players have issue playing the forehand rear court, Lin Dan and Taufik were the only 2 to have effective forehand rear courts attack
@quaithe7050
@quaithe7050 7 жыл бұрын
Great Video and analysis btw, i never knew that was a weakness.
@seamless_
@seamless_ 3 жыл бұрын
only against lindan tho
@nylan7584
@nylan7584 7 жыл бұрын
Super analyse vraiment bravo
@nicon5029
@nicon5029 7 жыл бұрын
Haha, I already thought of that last Olympic shot when the video started, didn't think it would be in here though
@nurislamshimul5402
@nurislamshimul5402 5 жыл бұрын
Nice analysis
@abhishekjakhmola8521
@abhishekjakhmola8521 7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@hemantakumardas8227
@hemantakumardas8227 7 жыл бұрын
amazing video .... 😎😎😎
@roheat24
@roheat24 7 жыл бұрын
Nice clip
@AdityaTiwari-mc1ug
@AdityaTiwari-mc1ug 5 жыл бұрын
this is the best energy saving and safe shot from that point...i played badminton for 7 yrs and i was top player of kvs sgfi u-15
@AbuBakarAbdullahOfficial
@AbuBakarAbdullahOfficial 7 жыл бұрын
nice analysis...
@mdmubaraq
@mdmubaraq 7 жыл бұрын
NICE ANALYSIS
@johnchen641
@johnchen641 7 жыл бұрын
nice!
@rakshitshankar4795
@rakshitshankar4795 6 жыл бұрын
Superb
@smashshred3249
@smashshred3249 6 жыл бұрын
Lindan's like, I didn't even know I was thinking that much lmfao
@mukulpanchakarla8944
@mukulpanchakarla8944 Жыл бұрын
Pls upload more on strategies
@TheSagen15
@TheSagen15 7 жыл бұрын
Id like to see another video of lin dan ¿weaknesses? against lee chong wei
@ritinkujur
@ritinkujur 7 жыл бұрын
thanks
@Anil-co7fd
@Anil-co7fd 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder how rashid sidek and Tay sue bok did not notice it Well shuttle flash👐👍👍👍
@Gio_Leonardo
@Gio_Leonardo 7 жыл бұрын
oh my god, so deep. LinDan only use that's way when old point. So smart.
@danadnpanda
@danadnpanda 7 жыл бұрын
THIS IS BRILLIANT
@sherlockserra02
@sherlockserra02 7 жыл бұрын
I loved this kind of video. Strategy-oriented, I hope they can make more videos in that same style with other players, as well as male and female. Congratulations to the channel
@gouravjeetpradhan
@gouravjeetpradhan 5 жыл бұрын
Perfect example of a GENIUS MASTERMIND in BADMINTON... LD... 😍
@sukhpalmann
@sukhpalmann 7 жыл бұрын
Same was with Wang Shixian. She had less variation from the deep forehand side which cost her a lot during her important matches.
@koshikdave4101
@koshikdave4101 7 жыл бұрын
love it ....
@aaronhuang771
@aaronhuang771 7 жыл бұрын
What amazing!
@SkSk-us4ot
@SkSk-us4ot 6 жыл бұрын
nice
@RamKumar-ks1tm
@RamKumar-ks1tm 5 жыл бұрын
It's very clear that Lin Dan reads the game very well and always tries to play shorter distance that Lin Dan lifts could go to the last line so gets time to see the shuttle and make up mind really well
@manjago1070
@manjago1070 7 жыл бұрын
one of the good spot tho!! i hope LCW will manage and upgrade his game plan soon as possible
@sourathghosh5170
@sourathghosh5170 Жыл бұрын
LCW does find an answer at a critical point...the final shot of 2016 RIO Olympics semifinals !!
@akashraj4869
@akashraj4869 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely right 👍
@josecasadiego8872
@josecasadiego8872 5 жыл бұрын
excellent tactical analysis.....Could I go up more ??
@aznericxD
@aznericxD 7 жыл бұрын
nice video, even if there's the slight chance this wasn't the intended strategy
@VarunSingh-mr5yq
@VarunSingh-mr5yq 7 жыл бұрын
where to download rio singles final and semifinals @shuttle flash?
@BejoyKa
@BejoyKa 7 жыл бұрын
awesome analysis, only if you have posted this some years back then our LCW could have one at-least 1 world championship :(
@shashanktiwari2972
@shashanktiwari2972 7 жыл бұрын
good observation
@kenken3000
@kenken3000 7 жыл бұрын
I lol when the numbers start counting :D
@rendraagnesgustia3909
@rendraagnesgustia3909 6 жыл бұрын
Min stuhle video kemaren yg lindan vs lee chong wei olimpic 2008 yang pakai soundtracknya music alan walker yg force mana ya? Kalo ga salah kemaren tu ada skarang kok ga ada ya boleh di post lgi min?
@matteomusch3246
@matteomusch3246 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing video, I have the same problem as lcw
@sepudincrew
@sepudincrew 7 жыл бұрын
oh really?then,someday you will be the super star like LCW..
@matteomusch3246
@matteomusch3246 7 жыл бұрын
sepudincrew Oh I hope ^^
@parixitbhinde
@parixitbhinde 7 жыл бұрын
Lin Dan master of shuttle. shuttle flash master of videos
@ovtroll1199
@ovtroll1199 5 жыл бұрын
He's been doing smashing crosscourt more often so it's likely his overhead drop shot will go closer to the middle than usual due to the rhythm of smashing crosscourt constantly
@nissanasiri
@nissanasiri 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely true........
@alexanderaristo
@alexanderaristo 5 жыл бұрын
could you analyze gideon and kevin rotation? id would love it
@netrunner2922
@netrunner2922 7 жыл бұрын
The deceptive shot is imba, but it also has a weakness. It takes a longer time to reach the net if the enemy drops.
@MyNemesis123
@MyNemesis123 7 жыл бұрын
I think it's also because Lin Dan is left handed player, that kind of return by LCW is hard for right handed player to return the shuttle.. But because Lin Dan is left handed he got many option if LCW return the shuttle like that..you r very genius by figuring this out..
@ductrung3993
@ductrung3993 3 жыл бұрын
i think it's partially his main strategy too, keep peppering the forehand then attack the backhand.
@hardikmanik6433
@hardikmanik6433 6 жыл бұрын
awsm
@HevaNaisdey
@HevaNaisdey 7 жыл бұрын
it's very hard to return such a shot, even more so against somebody as skillful as LD.
@princeT-369
@princeT-369 4 жыл бұрын
everyone has a weakness but lcw weakness is not his game, its his mental approach when facing ld
@ashishkriplani1250
@ashishkriplani1250 5 жыл бұрын
I think so this Lin dan is better than 2008 because this lcw is better than that one imo
@quaithe7050
@quaithe7050 7 жыл бұрын
I always thought that backhand strokes are harder than forehand strokes, Now that i know some players can be weak in forehand, i now know how to place the ball properly and not just placing it in Backhand. I always thought that Lin Dan was giving it to LCW's deep forehand because LCW is good at it but i now know it is his weakness, i guess LCW's backhand corner is better because there he can have alot of options to do while in forehand he can only have one option he does best at, drop.
@Walkingshadow1
@Walkingshadow1 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. Interesting analysis. LCW's weakness is not so much his deep forehand corner, but the fact that he sometimes loses focus and plays a run of loose shots. Another example is his cross-court drop shot. Sometimes he will play these taking the shuttle very low, around his ankles, when he could have taken it higher. The result is a rising shot with his opponent frequently in good position near the net, so these can often can be picked off at the net. Even if they are not picked up, the return is usually a strong one that puts LCW immediately at a relative disadvantage and can quickly lead to losing the point.
@JohnWick-hn8ht
@JohnWick-hn8ht 7 жыл бұрын
according to me i think taufik hidayats main flaw is that he doesnt attempt to hit an overhead shot but often does a backhand shot.But according to him it is not a flaw due to his strong backhand power
@JasonDedicatoria
@JasonDedicatoria 7 жыл бұрын
I dont think its LCW weakness that he doesnt do varietions when he is shot with long forehand clear..its just he cannot shoot high at LD forehand because LD always has an anticipating jump smash coming..hes playing safe and LD is waiting for him to commit mistake..either a mistake in shooting too low drops or low enough clears..thats just my opinion though..
@JohnWick-hn8ht
@JohnWick-hn8ht 7 жыл бұрын
if u watch lin dan vs lee chong wei 2013 wang lao ji finals.The commentator also says the same thing @ 5.00
@ELFYHO
@ELFYHO 7 жыл бұрын
this is the point for all the badminton single players should focus! Is not weak point. Try watch all others match as well and observe it, this is the rule of badminton, try not to hit cross court. unless the opponent is totally out of position!
@aloysiuschua1114
@aloysiuschua1114 7 жыл бұрын
perfect vid look up on you
@juannchan9482
@juannchan9482 7 жыл бұрын
what the song name ? . i am realy like to know that.
@pramilavishwanathan8299
@pramilavishwanathan8299 6 жыл бұрын
What is the name of the background music
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