Finallllllly!!!!! A new one. Please do this more often. This is very edifying it been waiting for this.

Good videos refuting false doctrine. Just how did this belief begin? There has been found in a deep dive research a book “Who Really Wrote the Book of Mormon? Found in online used book sites possibly. Also view Wiki- Spalding-Rigdon theory of Book of Mormon authorship. Don’t give up if you want truth it is out there for you to find. Forward to book was by Walter Martin, noted author of “Kingdoms of the Cults”.

"Two blades of a scissors". Both are important. God's Grace and God's Works. Eph. 2:8-10. So wonderful is our God. The wages of sin is death, I've earned it, but Jesus paid my debt in full, it is finished. Rom. 6:23 and now I have the free gift of eternal life with the promise of fruitful good works that I get to do, not to merit the gift, but to do out of gratitude.

I agree with the Bible and I too am often on the streets sharing its truth and grace in conversations with the Mormon community. But can we please be intellectually honest and stop using the misrepresentation of the JS statements about the return of Jesus in our proclamation of God’s truth? As much as it sounds as if he made a firm 50-ish year prophecy on the return of Jesus, the actual statement is vague and has loopholes, which I believe were built in so that Joseph could not be wrong either way but may have appeared to be correct if Christ had come again in a certain timeframe. There are other ways he fails the test. The biggest of which is bringing a different gospel and preaching a different Jesus. I came out of Mormonism because I finally realized that the burden of works and rules and extra-Biblical ordinances had drawn a wedge between me and my right standing with God. It’s faith alone in grace alone through Christ alone. I pray we can do a better job with this. Thank you so much for being diligent in sharing the message of Jesus with a community I care for to see His truth the most! This is extremely important because there is a disproportionate amount of those who escaped Mormonism but then lose faith in God altogether and I especially lament for those who leave and lose Jesus. Let’s make sure they know there’s a better hope!

What if these are staged?

I was once one, and I can so relate to every mornon encounter on this channel. The true gospel of Christ was in my face all the time, and like these Mormons, I at first could not accept it. It was only slowly but surely than my eyes and heart were opened.

Yes, I agree and only the Holy Spirit can convince them 🙏🏼

Who's to say they aren't right...? It's their interpretation vs your interpretation. Honestly you're both probably wrong.

@@deborabarros1159 I agree, The holy spirit is the only one to convince anyone of the truth. (One must read, ponder, pray) to learn more.

I agree. Love the sinner hate the sin!

He is saved Laura, he has staked his salvation on Christ, and by definition he will receive what Christ promises.

@@johnnyonthespot3855 He believes in a false Christ and in a false works-based Gospel that cannot save. If a person doesn't believe in the divinity of Jesus, they don't know Jesus.

@gae So who's voice came from the heavens when John the Baptist baptized Jesus? Did he speak to himself?

@gae No You are using your mind to place the God Head in your view, with limited understanding. Your Ego won't make you Right! Jesus didn't talk to himself as a voice from the heavens.

@@rockstar1011 - gae is quoting the word of God, in the Bible. That’s not ego.

You’re sad !!!

😭😭

@@flasktalimasa5586 Why? What is truly sad, are people who twist add, and take away the truth of the Word of God. Also, what is sad, are people who don’t think that is a serious problem. You’re ‘sadness’ is going to send people straight to hell, including yourself.

I know. So sad to see kids indoctrinated into religions. We need to teach kids how to think, not what to think

Covid & Co2 are false dichotomies. Covid, Baby Boomers turning into Seniors Bust due to seasonal FLu Pneumonia & old age. Precession of equinoxes not you is causing END TIMES climate change, Motive. Jesus warned us.

For real! That guy knows the religion is a sham but doesn’t wanna loose one of their boys.

Yeah for sure! I also notice whenever false doctrine is confronted, they immediately want to get out of there. If your gospel is true wouldn’t you want to teach someone in these moments instead of being more concerned about the concert in the background. This is another way that I know 100% Mormonism is false. You can tell by the fruits they DONT produce. As a Christian, I never turn away someone who is asking honest questions. Regardless of what I have going on. The main elder here is clearly questioning what he believes and has moments of doubt but then the brainwashing brings him right back. No matter how uncomfortable, don’t stop teaching the lost the truth of the real God, Jesus & Holy Spirit of the Bible!

because they are a cult

😂

The moment he noticed they were recording he didn't want any part of that... He's like I don't want to viral on YT for being so awkward...!!! I guess his buddy at the end took that away from him....!! I'll pray God would open their eyes ...!!

​@@rodv.4726And their hearts! Praise God!

Lets hope they get saved! Praise God the seeds were planted. Now, it's up to our lord!

Haha it’s probably because some of the members aren’t biblically trained, but I know that the LDS church is true and I don’t want to argue but I am willing to have a conversation

I've tried to do this myself. It's one of my aspirations

Right? How can someone stand there for 40+ minutes like that!?

His face got all tensed up everytime the other dude kept the conversation going.

He look like a honey bun

​@@FlockOfYahwehwow really? And what do you look like? Mr. Bathroom Selfy?

@@mikhailyaremkiva arab

That is your typical Mormons for you. Always have their heads in the sand!

Right?! "Do you want to join the conversation?" "No I dont." It might as well have been, "dont share the truth with these 'elders' anymore!"

The kid on the right got so nervous he went and found someone to come and stop it. He could feel his conscience because he knows the "rules" At least that's what I assume

Yes, hopefully the seed was planted

Your confusing Old Covenant with New Covenant.

Do you not think a Mormon or Muslim missionary talking to young men outside a church would get "shut down" by someone from the church?

Took the thoughts right out of my mind. Lol Pray for them! 🙏🏼

Many Christians don't know their own religion and most have never read the Bible cover to cover.

Yes probably take after there parents most likely forced them raised them this way.

They (the two) actually have more knowledge than many Christians' who only have perhaps some good, but limited understanding. They are only trying to spread some of that knowledge. Even in the time of Jesus and after - they went out "two by two" to teach the nations.

Yeah, except if they did leave, their families might disown them. Or they could be like some that support them. It all depends all we can do is pray.

Yes pray, study and try to be more like Jesus.@@johnkauffman1191

1. Is there only one god, or are there multiple gods? If multiple, how is a person to choose which deserves obedience? If there is only one good, who is Baal? If Baal is a false god, precisely what makes your god NOT false, aside from it telling you that is the case? 2. Would you agree that before anything can exist, something has to create it? Did your god create everything? If yes, who/what created your god? 3. Is your god infallible? 4. Is your god omnipotent? 5. Is your god omniscient? 6. Is your god benevolent, or malicious? 7. If your god cannot make mistakes, then it follows that everything it creates is either perfect, or that your god intentionally makes things that are flawed. Would a benevolent god intentionally create something likely to suffer because of its flaws? 8. If your god can do anything, and it created the universe, why didn't it simply create a perfect world inhabited by perfect beings? If your god wanted obedience, and god is not malicious, why did god make disobedience possible? 9. If your god knows everything, does it already understand every thought and feeling you have? Does it instantaneously know everything you say and do? If yes, what is the point of religious rituals, such as prayer? 10. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient god not communicate directly and unambiguously with individuals, with no need of books, churches, prophets, signs, miracles, etc? If a person is not intelligent enough, or not "worthy" enough to speak directly with god, whose fault is that? Who made the person in the first place? If a person is unworthy or incapable of directly communicating with god, how can that person be capable of recognizing a valid spokesperson for god? 11. Think about the person/people who convinced/persuaded/ordered you to believe in a version of god. Are they infallible? Is it at all possible for them to tell you something they sincerely believe, but for that thing they tell you to be actually incorrect? 12. Are feelings reliable tools to guide actions? Suppose I hear a person in my neighborhood talking a lot about the presence of violent break in robberies nearby, and I get apprehensive. I am convinced by the passion my neighbor puts into this story, even though I've seen no tangible evidence. That night, I hear a noise. I FEEL certain that it is a robber breaking in to harm my family. I get out of bed, pull a pistol from the bedside table. Without opening the bedroom door, I shoot through it to get the robber. When I open the door, there is my son, lying dead on the floor from my bullet. I was sure. I relied on my feelings. My fear of a robber. My hope of being a defender father. Feelings, not facts. Was that a good way to live my life? Is faith factual knowledge or is it just a feeling, something you choose to believe, without any rational proof? There are things science does not yet have good explanations for. However, unlike religion, logic and science eagerly accept doubt, challenges and skepticism, and are eager to be revised and improved. They don't claim to be perfect. Religion does. Religion demands blind obedience, with harsh horrific punishment in this world and the next if you fail to obey. If you ignore science, it doesn't change the facts of science, so no one has to threaten you about it. Science (reason) built the machine you are reading this message on. Religion blows up clinics and puts burning crosses on people's lawns. Religion persecutes and murders and starts centuries of war. Religion rapes little kids, then covers it up. Religion tells underage girls they have to get married and have kids like a farm animal slave. Religion is about ignorance and enslavement and threats and judging others for being different. Religion is about cowardly conformity. Religion is about keeping people UNquestioning and OBEDIENT, aka, slaves. Science (reason) is about rational independent thought. Are you brave enough, strong enough, to think for yourself and stand on your own, apart from others? 14. Do you deny that religion (superstition, irrational behavior) is the root cause of most human conflict in history, that for centuries millions have been tortured and murdered "because god told me to do it"? 13. Suppose a person has a book full of maps to guide a group journey. They rely upon it, but the group is perpetually lost. You question the book, but your friend insists that the book is accurate. "How do you know?" you ask. They reply, "I know that this book is accurate and perfect, because it says so in the book." Your friend insists that the book is information directly from god....but some other people wrote the book, based on their interpretations, and all of them disagree.....but that is okay, because of how passionately they shout about their version of the maps, and how strongly it makes your friend feel. When you show them hundreds of self contradictions in the book, they get upset and say that you are just not reading the book correctly. Which person is messed up? You, or the book fanatic? How do you justify cherry picking of which parts of the bible to follow? Leviticus much? Murdered and burned many animals as a sacrifice, as you are required to ? How many NON religious books have you ever read? 14. If the point is to die and go to heaven, why not simply commit mass suicide and get it over with? Christ was quite literally a kamikaze; is that what you preach should be emulated in daily life? 15. Why is it necessary to use superstition and irrationality to justify your practical principles? Why treat humans like a donkey in need of the stick of hell and the carrot of heaven? If you want positive secular behavior, why not justify that behavior in practical terms? Religion preys upon the weak and the stupid. Rationalization is not scholarship. If your god is so wise, so powerful, WHY is it so petty as to demand unconditional obedience? What kind of god would need much less DEMAND that we grovel and call ourselves unworthy? Unworthy? Who made you in the first place! If your god is so benevolent, and so omnipotent, why does it deliberately cause suffering? Why the grotesque elaborate torture scene of Jesus, when god could have simply changed the world in the blink of an eye, effortlessly? Oh, your god cannot be understood? Then HOW can you know it even exists? Where is your factual tangible irrefutable proof? Suppose I "believe" that you deserve to die and I am allowed by god to kill you. How are you feeling about faith NOW? Remember 9/11? They crashed those jets because of FAITH, because they believed religion that said they would die as martyrs. A debate over religion is exactly the same as debate between two inmates in an insane asylum over which voices in their heads are "real". IRRATIONALITY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. Wake up. FEELINGS ARE NOT TOOLS TO PERCEIVE REALITY OR GUIDE YOUR LIFE!

​@@noneyabusiness2237uhh God is the reason things need to be created. He created that law. Thanks for proving God

I cannot believe Joseph Smith said that. Wow. Praise God that you were redeemed by Christ! ❤️

How did you handle leaving all your friends and family? I’ve heard that they’ll excommunicate you which that tells you right there they’re not the true church if someone said I don’t want to be Baptist anymore they’re hold their friends and family aren’t going to shut them. So I wonder how you dealt with that because I’ve often thought that even if Mormons really want the truth, they know they would have to walk away from everything that they know including their friends and family.

@@joeglennaz… it was difficult at first because my whole life was Mormonism from birth & it shook me to the core. But Jesus built me up from new & helped me see the truth & I became a Born Again Christian & through this, developed a very personal & beautiful relationship with my savior Jesus, that I never ever had while being a Mormon…..it has been the BEST decision of my life. However I did lose many family members because of my choice but like Jesus states in Matthew 16:25, “For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.” I praise Jesus that I am finally free from Mormonism & I continue to pray for my lost family members & many others that they will too wake up & get to know the true Jesus of the Bible. 🙏♥️ ✝️

There it is.

Ahhh Hebrews… such an underestimated/underrated book.

@@steveleonard7056 If I could only have 2 books they would be Psalms and Hebrews

@@realitywins6457 What about Gensis and Job?

Correction: Genesis and Job.

It makes no sense though. Jeff is a Calvinist, so why would they stop and have conversations with people that were “predetermined” to hell?

@@ChristianityRecap how do we know who is predestined? We don’t? We’re told to go and preach. Plant seeds, water. It’s up to God for how/if it grows.

@@amandas.3065 I agree with this, but I disagree with Calvinism. God didn’t create a person to be destined to hell and then when they die he tells them they’re going to hell because they didn’t repent. That’s obnoxious.

@@ChristianityRecap "I agree with this," From reading your response, you really don't. As amandas.3065 stated, no one knows who the elect are. Only God knows that. So, our job is to tell others of the good news and then allow God to do with His creation as He sees fit for HIs own purpose and glory. God is the creator, we are mere creatures. Therefore, He can, again, do what He wants to with His creation whether we like it or not. If you keep this in mind, you probably will sleep better at night.

If I didn’t have my awesome pastor I pray I’d find one like Apologia church pastors! ❤

Amen

Amen

Yeah, but he quoted Romans 10:9 wrong.

@@ghostl1124 🤔😒 really?

So you are a damned to hell Mormon? I guess that's just fine with you and that Burning Bosom.

@@IamGreatsword hey! yuu talkin to me???(must use Robert Deniro voice & squint). If so, no, just a Christian here, 🙋🏻‍♂️, hello.

@@ChristnCars You didn't say who you were talking about. There are Mormons here on this whole string who are encouraging their Damned False wanna be called Christian LDSMormons. It's sad really because they are so indoctrinated and Brainwashed to see it as the 11th number on the Amp. If I considered you as a Mormon/LDS false doctrinizers then I apologize for that.

@@ChristnCars 👋

@@IamGreatsword all good bro, I come in peace. I’d just suggest holstering the 6 shooter until needed. You seem a little too trigger happy, respectfully.

If that’s not cultish idk what is man

Maybe, but it was still important to point out.

@@ColinDonisthorpe would you possibly consider getting low before the Lord and asking Him what He thinks? Not saying that I am right in this discussion. But I truly believe when we go before God and say, “I am willing to let you show me if I grieved you in any way.” That humility brings joy to Him. He might just look at you and say, “well done.” Perhaps spend some time in prayer, worship, and the word then watch it, with Jesus, to see if he shows you anything.

@@nicolday5865 yes of course!

I pray you'll learn to call them by their correct name and not use slang.

I’m a member and have never heard that…

@@Cwa712 It’s in the Book of Mormon!

And yet members of born again churches judge everyone in their own church, especially the so-called backsliders. Such hypocrisy.

@@marynellessen8790 would you be willing to clarify where that is found in the Book of Mormon? I too have never heard of that

@@kadenstutzman6216 I’ve tried looking for it but wouldn’t you know, I’m not able to find it. Instead of giving the book back to the missionaries, I should have KEPT IT! Secondly, it would help if I had written the names of the young guys discussing with me. They couldn’t answer my question and couldn’t give me an answer when they came the following week. I gave their book back and declined any further meetings. When I researched on the LDS site, todays version mentions non repentant sinners but not in the verbiage I read in 1986 (or thereabouts) Strange….. 🙄

Lol

This is true. I’ve literally never met a Mormon who wasn’t extremely nice.

They act nice, it's very behavioristic, not genuine. God doesn't care how polite you are, but wants to change your heart. Thank you Jesus for dying for my sins.🙏

@@shawnbowers4836 sounds like a false binary, there are plenty of examples of God wanting you to be kind and wanting to change your heart, they aren’t mutually exclusive.

@@shawnbowers4836 you wont be saved if youre an asshole even if saying you believe in Jesus

@@jonbayuga3238 I understand what you're saying, there's a lot of fake Christians out there, who say they believe, but they're attitude and lifestyle doesn't reflect Christ. What i was saying, is that being nice and doing good works alone doesn't save you. I'm sure a lot of Christians would agree with that

Hey are you guys in st.george?

i dont know if you watched the same video i did. But he didnt do any of what you are saying, they had a congruent conversation. not too sure how you think a conversation should go.

@@doozy1776 at the moment I am writing this there is 19 other 👍 and myself that seen what I described and one comment that did not. If you are watching this learning how to prepare arguments I can see how you would think this was a great and equal discussion. However, if you watch this from the side of... Is this man going to feel heard and loved on where he would actually consider stepping away from the church? No. The guy even cut him off while giving his testimony. The most important and precious thing this kids got which is the pin he hangs all his belief on... And he gets cut off because the apologia guy is more involved in sharing a truth than hearing this kid out. Like I said in the beginning. While talking about God I get excited to and want to share as things come to mind and this is an area I need to work on also. I'm not guilt free in this area. We all need to work on making people feel heard AND THEN share from our compassion.

Hey, I understand that he was cutting off the ‘elder’ at times and not so great cause they heard more things to say. But yeah, you don’t agree with the Mormons but also the Apologetics teachings. Do you mind sharing more on that?

@@kartumagm8975I agree that Jesus is the Son of God. No question there. However I also believe that the Bible clearly teaches there is a singular one God almighty. Here's my 12 minute video about it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qrGho7qUzc2dYH0.html I think it's extremely risky that they preach "you have the wrong Jesus and you can't be saved because of it" when the Jesus they preach is a pre existence triune God which the Bible, when truly searched out, does not support. I take nothing from the biblical facts that Jesus is the Fathers son, born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, walked in sign and wonders, has been resurrected, given all power and authority from the Father and that we must believe in the son for salvation as He is our way to the Father... But to say that Jesus is God in the same sense the Father is... The Bible doesn't support that idea. Please watch my video before blasting me. I also have a video explaining why the Holy Spirit is the presence of the Father and not mysterious a 3rd person if you'd like to check it out.

Correct. To an unbiased ear there is an element of performance art. It would be interesting to consider whether Christ would allow his servants to record themselves confronting believers of other faiths for likes, subs, and (most importantly) donations. Mormon missionaries are not permitted to do this. Maybe it really is another Jesus.

But, Pete planted a seed.

Get them a road map.

I think he was being passive and careless. He was more worried about getting to his event than caring about what was being talked about

Give them time, Jeff and the others are rising up the next generation, and that stern and fruitful spirit will be passed on.

I love listening to Jeff witness but this man is doing the work that God wants him to do and he was very effective at doing it. That being the case, don’t you think it might be a little disrespectful to make the comment like you did? God bless this man for taking the time to witness to these Mormons. I wish I had half his ability.

Did God made a mistake sending Pete instead of Jeff? Mm mm mm....

Hey Josh, I wonder how many Mormons or other sect members you have witnessed the way Jeff or this guy have done it?

CULT of Personality?

A lot of Mormons when they usually bump into folks like Jeff..Some will usually say (Well Maybe) (Well Possibly) (Well I think) etc etc a lot of them don't know there own book or teaching's.

Agreed - I’m sure he was working overdrive in part because they appeared to be crawling out of their skin, wanting escape. He likely felt pressured to get the truth out there.

Excellent Answer ☝🏻

Which still wouldn't add up with scripture. Scripture says no man knows the day or hour, not even Jesus himself only God the father knows. Matthew 24:36 King James Version 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

This is consistent with that verse. The chapter summary for D&C 130 even says “The time of the Second Coming is withheld from the Prophet” Here’s the entire passage in question: “ I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following: 15 Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter. 16 I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face. 17 I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.” So Joseph Smith did not know the day or hour, he didn’t even know the year. He was told that if he lived until age 85, he would see Jesus. This appearance doesn’t even have to be THE 2nd coming. It could be a regular appearance, it could just be what Joseph sees after his death, or any number of things.

1. Is there only one god, or are there multiple gods? If multiple, how is a person to choose which deserves obedience? If there is only one good, who is Baal? If Baal is a false god, precisely what makes your god NOT false, aside from it telling you that is the case? 2. Would you agree that before anything can exist, something has to create it? Did your god create everything? If yes, who/what created your god? 3. Is your god infallible? 4. Is your god omnipotent? 5. Is your god omniscient? 6. Is your god benevolent, or malicious? 7. If your god cannot make mistakes, then it follows that everything it creates is either perfect, or that your god intentionally makes things that are flawed. Would a benevolent god intentionally create something likely to suffer because of its flaws? 8. If your god can do anything, and it created the universe, why didn't it simply create a perfect world inhabited by perfect beings? If your god wanted obedience, and god is not malicious, why did god make disobedience possible? 9. If your god knows everything, does it already understand every thought and feeling you have? Does it instantaneously know everything you say and do? If yes, what is the point of religious rituals, such as prayer? 10. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient god not communicate directly and unambiguously with individuals, with no need of books, churches, prophets, signs, miracles, etc? If a person is not intelligent enough, or not "worthy" enough to speak directly with god, whose fault is that? Who made the person in the first place? If a person is unworthy or incapable of directly communicating with god, how can that person be capable of recognizing a valid spokesperson for god? 11. Think about the person/people who convinced/persuaded/ordered you to believe in a version of god. Are they infallible? Is it at all possible for them to tell you something they sincerely believe, but for that thing they tell you to be actually incorrect? 12. Are feelings reliable tools to guide actions? Suppose I hear a person in my neighborhood talking a lot about the presence of violent break in robberies nearby, and I get apprehensive. I am convinced by the passion my neighbor puts into this story, even though I've seen no tangible evidence. That night, I hear a noise. I FEEL certain that it is a robber breaking in to harm my family. I get out of bed, pull a pistol from the bedside table. Without opening the bedroom door, I shoot through it to get the robber. When I open the door, there is my son, lying dead on the floor from my bullet. I was sure. I relied on my feelings. My fear of a robber. My hope of being a defender father. Feelings, not facts. Was that a good way to live my life? Is faith factual knowledge or is it just a feeling, something you choose to believe, without any rational proof? There are things science does not yet have good explanations for. However, unlike religion, logic and science eagerly accept doubt, challenges and skepticism, and are eager to be revised and improved. They don't claim to be perfect. Religion does. Religion demands blind obedience, with harsh horrific punishment in this world and the next if you fail to obey. If you ignore science, it doesn't change the facts of science, so no one has to threaten you about it. Science (reason) built the machine you are reading this message on. Religion blows up clinics and puts burning crosses on people's lawns. Religion persecutes and murders and starts centuries of war. Religion rapes little kids, then covers it up. Religion tells underage girls they have to get married and have kids like a farm animal slave. Religion is about ignorance and enslavement and threats and judging others for being different. Religion is about cowardly conformity. Religion is about keeping people UNquestioning and OBEDIENT, aka, slaves. Science (reason) is about rational independent thought. Are you brave enough, strong enough, to think for yourself and stand on your own, apart from others? 14. Do you deny that religion (superstition, irrational behavior) is the root cause of most human conflict in history, that for centuries millions have been tortured and murdered "because god told me to do it"? 13. Suppose a person has a book full of maps to guide a group journey. They rely upon it, but the group is perpetually lost. You question the book, but your friend insists that the book is accurate. "How do you know?" you ask. They reply, "I know that this book is accurate and perfect, because it says so in the book." Your friend insists that the book is information directly from god....but some other people wrote the book, based on their interpretations, and all of them disagree.....but that is okay, because of how passionately they shout about their version of the maps, and how strongly it makes your friend feel. When you show them hundreds of self contradictions in the book, they get upset and say that you are just not reading the book correctly. Which person is messed up? You, or the book fanatic? How do you justify cherry picking of which parts of the bible to follow? Leviticus much? Murdered and burned many animals as a sacrifice, as you are required to ? How many NON religious books have you ever read? 14. If the point is to die and go to heaven, why not simply commit mass suicide and get it over with? Christ was quite literally a kamikaze; is that what you preach should be emulated in daily life? 15. Why is it necessary to use superstition and irrationality to justify your practical principles? Why treat humans like a donkey in need of the stick of hell and the carrot of heaven? If you want positive secular behavior, why not justify that behavior in practical terms? Religion preys upon the weak and the stupid. Rationalization is not scholarship. If your god is so wise, so powerful, WHY is it so petty as to demand unconditional obedience? What kind of god would need much less DEMAND that we grovel and call ourselves unworthy? Unworthy? Who made you in the first place! If your god is so benevolent, and so omnipotent, why does it deliberately cause suffering? Why the grotesque elaborate torture scene of Jesus, when god could have simply changed the world in the blink of an eye, effortlessly? Oh, your god cannot be understood? Then HOW can you know it even exists? Where is your factual tangible irrefutable proof? Suppose I "believe" that you deserve to die and I am allowed by god to kill you. How are you feeling about faith NOW? Remember 9/11? They crashed those jets because of FAITH, because they believed religion that said they would die as martyrs. A debate over religion is exactly the same as debate between two inmates in an insane asylum over which voices in their heads are "real". IRRATIONALITY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. Wake up. FEELINGS ARE NOT TOOLS TO PERCEIVE REALITY OR GUIDE YOUR LIFE!

/yeshua? That's Synagogue of Satan talk drop the Yiddishizing of the Name above all Names, your playing into their hands.

Right! He was so anchy to get going...

Ohp, Exactly 2min later he does the exact same move. It is Not possible to make People listen. i will say that saying something attention grabbing can work to enact the engagement.

Dude that guy’s demon was manifesting or something. Of course, it could be a tick, but that was wild.

Weirded me out seeing that

Most Christians would also have failed if they debated an atheist. Truth comes in many colors, shapes and sizes. Mormonism teaches the Bible. They spend an entire year in 2022 teaching the Old Testament in Sunday School.

​@@scottbrandon6244 Not entirely accurate. First of all, forget denominations. Is a Christian really a Christian if they haven't read God's Word? They can't be. They don't know him. They listen to a man who interprets for them once a week and hope they are saved. As far as LDS learning OT, it's like every other church. They learn snippets and dance around or move past what's uncomfortable to decipher or uncomfortable to their faith.

They get Elder as a missionary title. They go out ages 18-26 so it has little to do with wisdom/knowledge. Females are called Sister for some reason.

Exactly! Then his smug ass justification what a douche instead of being transparent and courteous from the get go

I'm sorry ma'am but did you miss the whole conversation? They have a heart for a false god so they serve him in idolatry and wickedness because they do not know the one true God only the one joseph smith made up

If you read her comment, she said the same thing you did. Show a lil love bud

@@g.e.9977 No she really didn't. How do they have "a heart for God, and to serve Him in righteousness" when they don't have a heart for the God of scripture and they replace him with Joseph smith's god. We are talking about two different Gods here...Therefore it's idolatry and God hates idol worship. and He's a jealous God. You can't serve Him in righteousness when you surpress the truth about Him in unrighteousness. They have a heart for their false god. And worshipping a false god is worshipping satan

@@g.e.9977 And I am saying what I said in Love too..... Love tells the truth..... Nothing I said to her was meant to be an insult or unloving in anyway. All I did was speak the truth

@@g.e.9977 I think what she meant is that they are very committed to their beliefs and to serving their god. I admire their dedication as well. However, I also recognize they are committed to a god that doesn't exist and you can't worship anything other than God in righteousness. That's the point I was making But I do understand what she seemed to be saying here