im seeing a whole lot of "this character is perfectly fair and balanced because theyre my new main" in here

The first time I played this Bison I had to keep reminding myself his scissor is not charge anymore and I still do it LOL

Something important that people are not taking advantage of is the extended hurtbox after knee press. PLEASE punish him if he ever cancels into any knee press after you block any cancelable normal, it is in punishable range (unless you’re someone with really shitty 5f light range)

Why would he not. He’s the ultimate Boss.

Great analysis vesper

Akuma is back, Rashid got better, Bison is back and is top tier... I am the only one having a serious SF5 déjà vu here?

Nakayama’s favorite character is bison thats part of why he is good.

Obviously I’m a long time Bison main, so I’m bias, and I’m not here to downplay him, but i think some of this is slightly hyperbolic. He’s strong yes but it’s very early and his defence is absolutely ass which is par for the course. People talk about scissors pressure but literally someone today on twitter discovered there’s massive gaps in his strings that you can DI or exploit in other ways. There’s a lot of knowledge checks with this version of Bison, maybe he is overuned slightly but I also think he has very clear and defined weaknesses which is sort of where you want characters to be. To say he’s better than SFV Luke is insane to me, that character had everything, basically no weaknesses at all.

I'm a Guile main so take what I'm about to say here in that context. Most of Bison's kit is stressful for me but manageable. I notice a lot of people are letting Bison get away with blocked H. Knee Press when it's -5 and his hurtbox is extended more than you might think. I get cr. LP, sweep against that consistently and Bison's defense is not good so letting me pressure him after is big. Neutral jumps or jumping back when cornered is also a good way to land a punish if Bison is too Knee Press happy. The best part about jump back in the corner is that if I catch Bison going for Devil's Rise shenanigans I can air back throw him into the corner. The only move I have a problem with is EX Psycho Crusher and only the EX version, it's so fast I often get hit by it even when I'm NOT throwing booms and just walking forward and unlike things like Honda headbutt and Blanka ball, it's multi-hitting. Even on PP EX Psycho Crusher is extremely difficult to punish because if you release parry and press a button you get counter hit by the second hit and if you just hold parry or block Bison is safe (maybe PP into DI works?). You have to PP, then PP again after the freeze, then PP again to get a punish on it. Due to its speed I also have a very hard time flash kicking it which I can do at least some of the time to moves like Honda Headbutt or Blanka Ball (yes, even EX air ball) and both of those are relatively easy to punish on PP. Neutral jump might punish Bison but only if you're just lucky and Bison randomly throws EX Psycho Crusher out. Typically I've baited it after landing H. Flash Kick by throwing up a sonic blade then quickly standing up and pressing jab. I recover in time to block (or PP) but it often gets Bison players to use EX Psycho Crusher there because they think the boom is coming but I definitely don't have time to neutral jump there. It just seems like such a brainless way to get in because even if you're wrong every time all you lose is your turn. If it wasn't for the fact that it's a charge move I don't know how Guile could even play the matchup. At least because it IS a charge move there are times I know Bison can't use it and I can play some kind of boom game around that knowledge.

As I say, who needs defense when the only button we press is forward

I think Bison is a well round and balance character not broken or something like that capcom is doing a great job with the characters design in sf6.

I can see people starting to adapt to his knee press and crusher with perfect parry, but he absolutely has his air mixups. I'm also starting to see lots of pokes to deal with knee press. He definitely struggles with cross ups. His anti air tools aren't great for that. I do think the damage might be a hair too high for the game in general. Like, with a setup and a lot of resources, fine, high damage. But probably not 75% THAT easily. And yeah, OD crusher should probably be a hits of armor situation vs full projectile invul.

Hey Vesper, how do you setup the training mode so that the opponent always stays in burnout?

Hey vesper, do you want to a character redesign tier list?

Bison is easily top 1, reversal or not. Plus his lvl 1 and 3 can be used as reversals atleast anyway. Plus at the highest level of play, its not like the reversals come into play as much, and now with wakeup drive reversal for everyone, it hurts him even less. The more i played against Bison and used him over the last couple of days, hes easily the most OP character in the game yet and is the first character that i so quickly fekt needed a nerf for sure, the first character that ACTUALLY needs an emergency nerf. The damage is insane and thats what everyone is focusing on, but the dmg def isnt the first thing that needs nerfed. If someone gets an 8k combo off on me, more power too him. But all his tools are amazing and so is his neutral and its too hard to take a turn against him. Its annoying and the most obnoxious character yet easily. Thats why so many ppl are playing him now, unlike Akuma, who everyone was playing the second he dropped cuz they already wanted to....alot of ppl arent big fans of playing as Bison and the first day and a half to 2 days, not that many ppl were playing him, then ppl started seeing how busted he was now we out here dealing with the same shit we did with Akuma, facing Bison in 85% of ur matches. I already dont even care about using him anymore because im literally already bored of him from facing him so much. Same with Akuma, i got burnt out on him without even ever playing him lol

Capcom: “Honda headbutt is too much. Its just too much! Gut it! Also capcom: “You know what Bison needs? A better v1.0 honda headbutt”

Making knee press charge I think balances him pretty well. Idk if OD psycho crusher should go through rashid’s level 2 lol.

Weird how the knee press is like a charge special while psycho crusher is like the regular special.

Im so happy they nerfed Kimberly in the beta.

His scissor kick has push back and everyone tries to punish it on block. They whiff of course and you can punish that with cr. Mk and go right back into scissor. I’ve been doing this since he came out. You can also shimmy right after scissor too. They try to punish or grab and you can attack them accordingly.

I'm here for the Meta shakeup

Knee press could be a double down ->button for modern. Exactly like ruy's denjin charge. Doesn't solve everything. But it's not instant. In any case. I feel like modern blocks a lot of liberty in Charaters movesets.

For the longest time I called the knee press move scissor kick....I thought the second part of his stomp was knee press lol

Here comes the crying

A real weakness is that knee press always lose to DI unless you cancel into super, so if the opponent knows you can't just skip neutral with it.

Everybody says Akuma was going to be top tier too, which he is, but still not as good as ken. This will be the same case. Bison has his strengths and weaknesses, but I feel like his weaknesses become more apparent once you actually start playing against him. If you study every move in a vacuum like this then obviously he is going to look overpowered. But once you put him in the fire he becomes sort of average. I will admit he is probably the first character to be able to consistently beat Rashid's level 2, but still... That dynamic doesn't apply to a lot of the other characters in the cast. He has good neutral buttons and his Knee Press is a pretty reliable spacing trap, but he still doesn't have that x factor like Dee Jay's sway or Guile's slow fireball and corner pressure. These things mechanically transcend the game whereas M. Bison is still within it. Is he going to be top tier? Sure, but he isn't going to be beating everybody in a tournament. He has clear strengths and clear weaknesses. He is fair in the overall balance of things

why do people keep comparing knee press to headbutt? HHS and knee press act closer alike than headbutt and knee press. OBV the comp between headbutt should be psycho crusher. HHS and scissors leave standing, and often times can combo from them. PC and headbutt have forward charge moves that knock down

i like knee press, cause its like playing the stock market with a small advantage. Nerf: reduce the cancel window from psycho crusher, more scaling on psycho crusher cancels to SA. This character is how you make a playable Boss character. Kudos, Capcom, kudos.

When I saw Broski playing Bison it was when I realized that this character is truly Nakayama's boy lol He could be this season's JP, he has a bunch of good tools out the gate and then if you optimize him you can get a lot more still. The one thing I find to be messed up is that they just covered his weaknesses for no reason, dude just flies through fireballs and for some reason he can combo out of his now very consistent anti airs.

The problem with scissor kick is there is no obvious counter play. You can di it or neutral jump if u have the read(not on reaction) . And u can get a jab punish on it if youre lucky. And the problem with the jab punish is u cant link into crouch mk for a drive rush after cause hes alwasy just to far. And if ur jab happens to miss(more often than not) youve lost your turn. For a move that skips neutral,combos on counter hit and punish counter ,dodges low, does drive gauge damage, restands for a 50 50 , is safe on blck prrtty much and spaces bison out enough so u cant take your turn back and is not also a charge move so u can't even thats the penalty hes taking for having such a good move. I mean who let capcom cook?😂

Didn’t punk already win a tourney with bison?

Whenever I see a character that's this good I just know to enjoy them right then because they're definitely going to get nerfed. People are going to complain and complain and complain and complain.

OD psycho crusher seems a bit too versatile lol. Safe on block with massive pushback, AA, full screen projectile punish and easy to confirm into lv3. Beating Rashid lvl2 from full screen on reaction is just nuts.

I'm gonna Raging Demon the Dictator like the good ol' days!

I think people will calm down once he gets labbed more. He has definite weaknesses but all anyone is doing is sharing clips of his 7k combos and going OMG SO BROKEN even though they require all your meter and bomb set ups. Knee Press is definitely getting nerfed though, I agree.

You seem to know a lot about characters! Why are you not competing?

They should have brought back the Psycho Banish attack from Capcom vs Snk 2

Motion knee press really stands out in this game to me in a way that even the strongest stuff in the game so far hasn't. It feels not thought-through. It functions almost identical to the classic bison scissor kick that is designed to be gated behind a charge. It's a little bit more minus on block than scissors clasically is, but being able to walk forward and do it instantly with no carge gating it is an insane giga upside, and if you have any legacy skill at knowing how to space and place the scissors on the tip at the right distances then the block disadvantage is a damn near negliglbe downside, I would say. I am not gonna be surprised at all in the future to see knee press get changed to either be significantly more minus on block or change it back to a charge motion and make it slightly less minus on block.

OD crusher goes clean thru Yasaar!

Bison so broken… he finally got me off of Gief

I’m a Bison main but that change to scissor kick was killer to me so now i’m just a Guile player

I think that it's too soon to tell he is broken

He should be at the same range on block that he is on hit.

When I trier Bison on day 1, after 30min, I was convinced that knee press would get nerfs quickly. It's still very weak to neutral jump as usual and it loses hard to DI. But I still believe that this move is overtuned. And I'm saying that even though I want to dual main him with Ed.

I starting to see top tier as something broken and excellent tools and top tier excellent tools but you can still punish them when they whiff, or you block correctly. Bison, Akuma, Manon, Luke, Marisa, Ed, all have broken top tier where you have cheap normals that go to very high damage, broken mechanic where if they drive rush you with more ex bars and you are trapped in a corner, it's all over. They have to have more recovery frames where you can punish their blocks AND when they whiff. Otherwise, all these characters can just bumb rush in and abuse.

You didn't mention his c.HP, which I think may very well be the best grounded anti-air in the game.

Ngl Ioved the the video, damage whose he a lil od but I don’t see a jp damage near or Marisa damage nerf so I have to complaints. He probably the best punisher in the game but he has to work for it a lil. Yes his scissor kick is a low crush buts it’s his only none charge move besides the mine or scissors. Scissors is very reactable on block and is only good as a punisher move but that’s all. You can hit it with a high move dp or super it, even fire ball if he punished your fireball u got red or your not pacing enough he gets nothing of off of psycho unless the mine is on u and at that point u should be playing defensive anyway. I’d say that they should nerf his damage by scaling the 2nd ex move on his combos since that’s what give the extra damage when the mine is planted. Making scissors a charge move won’t change anything I played bison in the older games it’ll just make us turtle more mid screen to can u in short make us better since there’s a prerequisite that it’s easily spammable

I think bisons auto combos need to be fixed on block. You stop pressing buttons but have a whole animation continue leaves you open to be punished everyone else can get free hits off you

I really dont see how bison is a crazy anti meta character like everyoneis saying. Could be that hes not my type of character or im not abusing the cheap stuff enough. interested to see where he'll fall a few months from now

Reading comments pisses me off about this game. A reminder of whats sour about it, and not a good sour. Perfect fucking parry. Drive Parry aside, perfect parry is just waaaaayyyy to simple and it happens way too damn often. This is not a good mechanic. People in the comments just, “yeah ill just perfect parry. hehehe” like bro, this shit really takes away from any fun and skill in Street Fighter. Takes away from what a lot of players SHOULD be learning; thats how to block. “Oh? I dropped my combo and im -3? Perfect parry time! hehehe”, “Oh? My opponent is jumping at me? I cant tell if i should block left or right, but its okay because perfect parryyyy. hehehe”, “Oh? Are you trying to frame trap me again into counter hit because i keep mashing through your strings? Well guess what? Thats not all i mash. PERFECT PARRY! hehehe” Like i cant even try new shit on people. Literally gotta play passive-aggressive and purposely give up my turn, MY TURN, because a mfer just presses a button and gets a perfect parry automatically, and the times they dont get a PP they still recover as if they blocked normally. So its a get out of jail free card, its a uno reverse card, its a anti-air, its a lame way to play. If they arent willing to make it harder to get perfect parries, then at least make using parry more punishing. At this point it should cost 2 bars to activate drive parry. If they successfully block a string they already recover made drive gauge anyway so wouldnt be a big deal. Would incentivize holding parry more, WHICH IN TURN, will give the aggressor more opportunities for mind games, and for the defender to making riskier choices. Burn 2 bars because you cant block left or right, or hold the mix? Or make it so that blocking while parrying also causes chip damage. So the health is recoverable, but if you get hit with white life, you lose all that health. Then i can justify (not really, but i would try) having perfect parry be so damn easy to perform. In my perfect world, perfect parry would be a separate input where the person has to press forward input at the moment an attack is about to connect to do perfect parry. But i see how that hurts charge characters.

Hmm… I don’t know how people are managing to steam roll with him. Anti airing with him is stressful even with psycho crusher. Knee is good as long as people don’t constantly jump or DI. Even the recovery of knee is bad so if you whiff it you’re in a world of hurt. His back walkspeed is abysmal leaving him more susceptible cr mk. And of course no invisible dp hurts not having. He seems mid to me but only time will tell how good he really is.

He needed it to make sure we remember he's the BOSS, shocked they didnt do a gaint attack, yet?

“WaaaAh! Waaaaah!” Get good all that needs nerfing is scissor kicks

From Ken main to Bison, ima enjoy him till he's nerfed to death

The only people I see crying are Bison mains lol

Bison is anti meta for real

Adjusting Knee Press is easy, make it not push back as much on block so it's not safe to throw out

Bisons fun and hes not braindead like ryu,akuma,and ken 10/10

No Bison isn’t easy to play, unless you’ve played him before on SF 5 or before, you spacing / footsies must be practiced, get in plenty of casual matches, and mix

M is for Mighty 😄

Psycho crusher is perfect like it is, it fucking minus a lot, ex Crusher is the only really good one, and Keeping in mind that a lot of people have god ex moves is normal so nothing to say there, about Rashid wind, any good Rashid is going to throw wouldnt throw a lv 2 in that way so it dont really counts, at the end is a charged move and is normal to be strong

They gave bison DJs damage

You guys are exaggerating. The game is a year old, and everyone is used to the mechanics. It'll be easier and easier to get characters to Master. It took me 2½ - 3 months to get Ryu to Master. 3 weeks with Luke. 1 day with Lord Bipson. All I did was lab for about an hour. Found 2 bread and butters, bnb into super, and meter dump into super. People play timid against a new character due to unfamiliarity. Is he good? Yes. Not even top 5. May be right at 10. He has trouble with characters who stick to you with pressure due to no gtf off me move (invincible reversal).

Every character also has a move similar to knee press in their respective rights if you think about it

Psycho Crusher is Honda Headbutt on Steroids.

Bison should be strong he's a boss character. People complain when a character is strong then complain when a character is weak so the devs can't win 🤷

Yep. When I saw O.D. Psycho Crusher go through my Yssar on oki setupI was like "Welp, there goes the Rashid is too good" talk lol

Can't wait for broken Terry and Mai

not even anti meta I play master Jamie and bisons just overpowered. You gotta be dense to think -3 in throw range after scissors which is no longer a charge move is acceptable. It’s braindead neutral like jinrai x100

Ken is still the most op character in this game i don't care what anyone says its true bison is just a blimp on the radar compared to ken.

Bison is the new Turtle! I’m having so many timeouts against him

I've never dropped a character so fast in my life. Bison is just playing super sf6 at the moment.

He’s not as strong as Akuma

Why are you feeding the gremlins?

Is this how pay to win works in fighting games?

He’s strong but he has weakness that are easy to exploit. I’m glad he’s strong though he’s always been my main. I’m glad to see him back and stronger.

Knee Press should be illegal, what was Capcom thinking.

They make him strong so everyone can buy the season 2 pack then they will nerf him, typical money grab

I just hope they don't destroy him with nerfs 😂

He has terrible defensive options so hes not going to be top 3.

They just need to add more so he can have more combo Paterns I see possible one’s bison has potential bison is balanced right now he’s the boss he should be getting buffs for combo opportunities more than anything come on the people complaining about him being too powerful should step they game up they need there game to get a buff

Not so sure bison beats a skilled cammy

I don't think he's strong. While his pokes and fundamentals are what a skillful character should be, is not enough. In fact, the fact that Psycho Crusher can go through fireballs is not an accident. Is needed. He also needs Drive Gauge to maximize output. In contrast to the cast, the shotos, tops, and other sound, but strong characters, Bison lacks. They have better output damage by simply doing normals, and with the Drive Gauge being a necessary resource, they have better damage output. I think the pros will figure out Bison quickly. In my opinion. He's awesome and fun tho -- and super unique.

Bison cheap

Pay 2 win

I usually agree with most of your vids, but this has ALWAYS been Bison. I feel like once hes labbed people will be ok. ALSO note there are MANY people who already know how to play Bison.

110 view in 12 minutes? Bro fell off Much love jk

Your tears are delicious 😂

Bison is not op but great

def not top tier, has no defense and weaknesses. SF5 was 10x stronger

I told myself to leave SF6 alone, but after they put my main man Bison in it's hard to resist. I hate the art style of this game and all the new characters.

He’s good just the way he is. Buff him if anything

SF6 is pay to win now 😭

When akuma got relased he was top 1. Now its bison. Then it will be terry. Ken is the worst shoto. Luke is trash and then the scene just wont change. Just yapping

Stop crying

Bison shouldn't even be a DLC character, he should just be a part of the normal SF2 roster with all the others. Capcom could just have made him unlockable without the need to charge people to be able to access him, it's taking the piss.

Can't he teleport anymore? That's a pretty big ability he seems to have lost imo and could have helped out with the no invincible reversal thing.