Ok balance_f

Surprising there's no intel about a character as popular as Juri.

I think the meter changes to lvl2s are for super meter to put them more in line with installs which don't allow you to gain meter while they are ticking down, not drive gauge.

Drive reversal changes mean Gief (and Lily, Manon, etc) will have an actual option when clobbered in the corner. Gief life about to get better.

lily getting nerfed is actually hilarious

If they go after Cammy like that, and dont go after Ken and DeeJay, or Help Lily, im not going to doing anything except sit here and be mad.

I really like the new Drive reversal changes, it creates a sorta paper-rock-scissors with block, drive options, and grabs, it will bring a whole new dimension to the mental stack every decision has

The Drive Reversal buffs are almost certainly a massive W.

Obviously this is a special occasion, but I definitely wouldn't mind more long videos like this!

this analysis on drive reversal is top shelf. thanks!

Great vid. And congrats on the win!

one of the most detailed videos on the patch so far, thanks

if luke gets away with it once again im gonna cry and piss myself

I'm so happy that jamie got those normal buffs, it's crazy how spot on they were with those. Now you can meaty with crmp or use it in situations where you would lose to di, react and cancel which he can't do reliably with his mp, or hp. But man the od command grab makes me so damn sad, i already gotta get 3 drinks for it

Great video! One small thing - I think Aki's coward crouch dive is actually only upper-body invincible right now. So there's currently no situation she can jump over Juri's fireball. Hopefully that changes if it's fully invul for Season 2.

Excellent breakdown!!!

That thumbnail is one of the best things to come from this balance patch

Great video Brian, just a thing, I think in the translations from HiFight he means that Level 2 supers won't allow for super meter gain with follow ups, instead of what you mention that is drive meter Cheers!

Amazing video! Thank you very much.

Love the in-depth video's, you're the SF people's scientist!

Bruhhh no akuma nerfs? No wayyy this character is preemptively broken

Bye bye Throw loop, all hail Drive Reversal. This is such a great change BTW

The Kikoken strength Chun-Li uses to walk or Drive Rush behind is not the Heavy version-she uses Light/Medium for that. The Heavy version travels very fast, but it dissipates much quicker, so it's more common for Chuns to use this version as a far-reaching "poke" of sorts, rather than something to walk behind. I imagine it's very annoying to deal with this move at the mid range, so they nerfed the recovery to prevent people from harassing people too much with it. also, i find it super funny how whenever people try demonstrating how "easy" it is to confirm chun's 4/6mp, they simply can't get it lol

The changes to drive reversal are good news for Zangief, but would still like to see some air-invulnerability added to lariat (or at least OD lariat?)

Yea.. lets wait for the official change list, im sure theres a lot that hasnt been discovered.

You're wrong about the implications on the Chun changes. You can't walk behind Heavy fireball; it's too fast. Chun walks behind her light fireball. Also, the meter gain on S2 is not for drive rush meter. You see she doesn't gain any back during the combo. It's super meter they're likely reducing. You can use super 2 and gain half a bar of super with the follow up, so you can use super 2 twice in the third round pretty easily as Chun. They'll likely add super meter proration after s2.

I'm so excited for those Ryu changes, getting to keep denjin for hasho combos and still throw fireballs would be so nice

Why can't i hear Edit: hearing has been restored

One of Gief's few ways to get Oki was after back throw...😭

That fly on the wall is part of the content

maybe by -2f at throw range what they mean is that if you're in throw range with jamie so pretty much face to face and you palm, you end up with a -2 frame, is what i understood.

I think the biggest thing about the drive reversal change is that a lot of 6 frames tend to not be very big so if you're shimmying someone and they drive reversal on wake up you might end up out of range to even punish but up close you can punish it. making drive reversal beat both throw AND shimmies at the cost of 2 sticks of drive gauge

I just realized if Jamie spaces his lunging punch move he might be -1 or 0 on block

Pretty sure "meter gain" nerfs with SA2 are for super meter not drive. So you can't get half of a bar back in Chun combo post SA2 for example

Note that Manon already can combo a lot of things off OD QCF kick, so still not sure what's the gain about this change.

great news, will finally have a reason to use drive reversal for the first time

I'm glad they're rewarding players who are smart, with their drive gauge, in the next patch. Kind of wild that players could overextend their offense and have little to no downsides.

lol Honda getting a great mp that is also plus means he’s a better Manon now.

Damn when they said my man was silenced I didn't think they meant literally 😭😭

an idea maybe you could get one of your viewers that play the characters to showcase some of the things you haven't learned like the DJ lvl 2 stuff or chun li combos.

What in the hell, why Lily get a nerf? Why?!! She was not enough bottom tier???!

Brine has to be ecstatic about the death of edmond honda

Just hope reversal can actually beat spinning knuckle. But more wanted, everyone should have consistent anti airs

I am excited for Ryu buff!! On the other hand, Honda getting nerfs are crazy, like WTF?? Honda already has issues even in his current state, which make him barely competitive. They really dead set on making him a joke character?

The only thing i want for Manon is to give her 1 extra frame to counter crouching LP on hit so it can be link to standing LK. Sooo many times its been the only thing i can do to get my turn back but its so short that it usually doesnt link to itself.

Yes drive reversal is so big for gief, being able to get someone off you is huge

The chun change would also mean 4/6mp is also worse as a poke because the di cancel window is smaller. It was already a good poke though so it's not like it's the end of the world.

Lily nerfs. Because that's what we needed.

@39:44 I wonder if he meant "is now a true blockstring", but miss typed it.

I've noticed zero anti air mentions. I sincerely hope bunch of anti airs got buffed.

The meter changes for SA2 are on Super meter, not the Drive meter.

I am all for anything really that kind a helps against throw loops tbh..

This thumbnail is evil

-6 on drive reversal sucks lol. This benefits faster characters with 6 frame mediums and hurts everybody else. Just make it 0 on block or keep it -8.

Capcom: "Juri won the Capcom Cup. so, No soup for you!"

Kimberly changes are great

Brian is the second person ive seen use 4MP>4HP for Ken's target combo in this game

Chun and Cammy getting nerfed yet Luke ken pretty much unchanged? Hah ain't no way right? Right? There has to be more lol 😅

my 2 favorites got buffs (jaime and kimberly)

The quality of life change for Cammy's level two is actually not a great one because the input now overlaps with spin knuckle, meaning you cannot buffer spin knuckles for free without getting SA2 on accident. So that's a third nerf, imo. Strange that she gets three nerfs despite such little representation on the top level.

my question is why is drive reversal so slow?

Really wish they wouldnt make Drive Reversal 6+HP+HK. It should be like V-Shift and use MK+HP or something.

Why did Honda's headbutt get nerfed but Blanka's blanka ball remained the same? Is there something I'm missing?

It will be nice to see the developers thoughts behind the changes, like "we think Lily is too OP because of this and that so we neefed her" or " we really dont want anyone to play this character, so we nerfed her"

The chun li medium punch nerf is WAYYY TOO MUCH bruh. Like omg your telling me Ken, Luke and Ryu and alot of the cast can have the mediums and heavy that can snipe you and take up most of the screen (we all know how Ken's hp feels), but chuns heavy is extremely situational and long startup and recovery, doesn't combo already, and you get hit out of it by everything. So we also need to nerf chuns only good utility button?? Wayyy too much imo -yes I am crying

Making Lily's cr.HP even more punishable is such bullshit. It's one of her few actually strong normals and you can just drive impact her when you see her do it. Hopefully the full patch notes will show buffs to her other normals.

I hear ya, but you gotta do deejay lvl 2 and do both enders

I am going to assume there are more changes. I am hoping for less nerfs and less and less. Ive been saying this all along, more buffs, less nerfs. As a Ken main, I feel he works perfect as his intended strategy. Why not make other characters work on the same level? Give them some better normals here and there, add some variants to their specials for more uses, noticed some characters simply have light, medium and strong on a special and nothing much from it changes other than range or speed or damage, whereas utility is also important. Like Ryu, he has light tatsu for creating space, medium for corner carry, high tatsu for corner swap. These are very important tools that can be used in different situations. More buffs, less nerfs. I am still of this opinion. But the way this is going I am not so sure I should be happy or not. The wake up reversal is a huge deal and I can't wait to try it out. The rest all mostly sounds like nerfs rather than buffs except for Ryus' denjin change. I didn't see the entire video but I saw other videos out there too and it feels skewed more to nerfs than buffs. So I am expecting to see more nerfs for Ken as well. I mean, again as a Ken main I see a nerf here that is total scrub bait, you are practically checking if someone is mindlessly spamming you. They nerf this? Really? THIS? This is like saying "we see some players are playing Mashing Fighter 6, so we will incentivize them to continue doing it by taking away a punish against mashing".... Which makes me wonder, wtf else are they going to nerf on Ken if they would even nerf something as ridiculous as this? There is a chance its the only nerf, but I also doubt this. I doubt this is the final version that we will get in a month from now. On a side note, its not even a nerf in some occasions. Reason being that they could interupt with invincible reversals after that initial medium punch so now if they are in block stun it makes it safer to start your target combo and go into jinrai kick if it doesn't land etc. So depending on the situation, its not even a clear nerf, its a buff for Ken in those cases, and a nerf for scrub checks... Idk, seems like the dumbest change ever and if this is the only change Ken will get (which it wont), we will not hear the end of the whining for another year. Omggggg, Ken is so brooookeeeeen. Yeah, stfu. At least Akuma will be out and people will be complaining about someone else for a change. Problem is, I am probably switching to Akuma too. lol. Talk about hearing whining all day long. Why can't they simply just buff the other cast more? Do we need to bring the top level down to the lower levels? Can't we for once have a situation where we bring the lower levels up to the top levels? Just a thought.

I'll take that for lily. Its gonna be a big help for me.

Thank God I play with everybody😂❤

If they don't make Zangief, Lilly, Honda or Manon competitive, they're probably going to lose me. I'm sick of watching the same characters all the time in tournaments. They'll probably just sell us new OP characters instead.

Instead of drive reversal on wake up i would've liked a drive shift mechanic like v-shift. Make it wake up only.

Do you think these are real? Those buffs would be really good for Aki.

This is already so much for stuff found in training mode

Chun players told me HP Kikoken was nerfed on the Ed build too 🙃

Odd they nerfed H kikouken instead of M or L since those are the ones she can follow behind

Interesting that they did that to head butt which you can PP,but blanka which PP his ball most characters not punishing it with .he should of gotten the same nerf

I guess all my labbing to see what blocked moves Deejay can punish with jackknife was for naught lol.

dude thinking about sfv, ken's tc is standing mp hp not back mp.

I wish blanka ball hase same treatment as Honda headbutt.

Waiting 1 year for a patch and we get this. fkin comedy

I was only joking that Hibiki would get Lily nerfed, I didn't expect it to actually happen LMAO

I think these balances played out due to the wake up drive reversals and drive reversals being minus 6. However I'm not sure why nerf game play of less successful characters and nerf the "fun" of gimmick characters. Majority of the gimmick characters struggles to win. I will say I like the idea of a guessing game from knock down. Kind of remind me of the older sf vs getting rolled over and at best resetting neutral depending on the character. Its no surprise Luke isnt nerfed. I hate to say this and even capcom admitted they do play favorites. Ryu was bad but thats bad for business now Luke and Ryu can share the same stage. Zangief got another small buff and and explanation we already knew. However one small step could turn into one large leap in the right way for gief. Thats the only char im concerned with.

Dj,ken,luke,jp and ed nerf notes should be an entire paragraph

No buffs for Lily?!?! That means all I can do is wait for that R Mika dlc I guess smhhhh

Goodbye Honda

Celebrating nerfs on Honda is just mean, what is this big boi hate...😢

Unpopular opinion, but throw loops aren't that bad. I'm fine with the idea of drive reversal beating them, but in the current state of SF6 they are a necessary threat

Ok, I dont really like the changes on Drive reversal, now can be abused if opponent is burnout without consecuences

Cliff size grains of salt taken on stuff like this. There's no way the only change happening to Lily is a nerf. Literally her only good button that can lead into a special without meter/stocks gets nerfed, they have to give something somewhere else to compensate.

if JP only have sa2 nerf, and some change side combo still exist but may have less damage (less 200-300 in average) It may not be a nerf for JP with the existance of new drive reversal. But anyway this make 22k more useless, I will rather do drive reversal instead of 22k in most cases

I just wanna know if they're even gonna bother with the input problems. Still waiting 😂

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Please buff Jamie and Manon. For Jamie - he gets to keep his Lvl 1 drink. If that’s too much, at least give him his target combo w/ 0 drinks, with the extend St. jab hitbox. For Manon - too many to name 😂. And please nerf Ken. Even though I main Ken, two mixups and you’re dead each round.

What in the hell... They nerfed a bottom 3 character... That's wild

He this became true, Honda&Lily dont exist anymore.

Why nerf Lily!? Come on Capcom what the heck? SHE'S BOTTOM TIER!

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Dhalsim approves of wake-up DR

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