Yeah that was a very intelligent question! Great timing to! 👍

Seemed like there was a bit of confusion on initial entry into the rear. It looked like they were already inside and then pulled back out. And then came the question.

@@SocialistDistancing Yeah, I think they were starting to question interior conditions. It was starting to push some rather heavy black smoke. Depending on the heat they must have been feeling, they may have wanted a second to think. It was probably about a minute and a half or so before it was gonna flash. So it was a good thing they went ahead and threw some water at it before going in too far.

if you back up to around 3:50 you can see that fire is getting behind them and he was saying to knockdown what ever was burning to the right of the door. You can hear him say "get all this fire knocked down" After that they went right back in. At first glance i thought he was panic ordering.

That was my favorite part.

Definitely. I left one smoke filled home and watched it burn with my cats inside and years later came home to my home getting boarded up after a fire and my cat missing. She survived. The cats didn’t make it with the previous fire. Roofers started the first and the second was arson while I wasn’t there

That's a great idea!!

Don't you know that before you even apply to be a fire fighter?

Exactly,duh . I would have said what do you think we are here for ? A weenie roast

There’s a bit more to it than just going in there guns blazing to put the fire out

Huh?

This is what happens when you have some one yelling at your as your doing your job, causing you to get confused as to what you are doing. (Its most likely a senior firefighter telling the hose-man where he should be hitting the flames. But doing it in an ineffective manor.)

😂😅

I think the firefighter was asking enter or no enter to fight it. He knows to put the fire out, but they may have had concerns about collapse.

Why ‘damn’ cops?! That’s hardly respectful, is it?

He wasnt "calling for water" he was calling for more pressure

Stange question from a nozzleman

You have zero control over where you're born but all control over where you live. There is ZERO reasons you don't have adequate fire protection except that your municipality wastes it's taxpayer dollars.

@@UprisingPropaganda Or the people complain about their high taxes, and so the police, fire, and schools all get stiffed. People want First-World infrastructure and services but don't want to pay for it.

I know right it was ass backwards and lack of training across the board.

Nether one of you idiots could tell us one thing they did wrong.

@@JB91710 let me rewatch the video I and I will give you some . Just to let you know I do have over 40 years fighting fires . 2 paid departments and one volunteer department. and both departments average runs a year with the paid and volunteer combined was around 9000 calls a year, so is the word idiot wisely.

@@donaldholman786 Numbers don't matter. Only results matter.

@@JB91710 it’s call experience and actually do the job is what matters.

Discuss

Yes, like how to do there job

Yeah, like STOP GETTING IN THE FUCKING WAY! With telephoto lenses there is NO WAY you need to get so close. You put yourself and the firefighters at risk.

That was a cluster fuck

Ya i thought that was pretty funny. I would say this is a volunteer department.

@@davemarshall706 well, for starters, you don’t always know what to do. You were not there, you don’t know the firefighters or the officers. Shut up

That’s exactly what’s supposed to happen . When you grab a line it’s go time . No messing around . Hit the door aggressively or let someone else do it .

@@chosenone1004 Yes but no. You do Not "Hit the door aggressively!" You do exactly what they did. You go look for what's burning from the exterior and extinguish it from the exterior. Then, when you are fully dressed and have assembled an entry team, you go inside to mop up and search for victims in a much safer environment.

@@JB91710 No. This is absolutely incorrect. This is the mentality of exterior only volunteers. If the line is charged at the door you go in. Coordinate with the truck ro vent as you extinguish the seat of the fire. Attacking from the outside and the. "mopping up" the inside is the most passive attitude to have about this job.

@@desertbum8 It's also the way you protect the victims and entering firefighters by eliminating the threat quickly and safely. Walking blindly into a unfamiliar structure to look for the fire you could find faster from the exterior, makes no sense at all. Again, go tell these people they are wrong. kzfaq.info/sun/PLkp0E1ao1XEzg384QZ4ovMA_6P7gCY3nJ

@@JB91710 OK they're wrong. Your logic works on very small structures where you can easily see into every room. That's not realistic. I get you haven't been to a lot of fires, but just because one study says that's the best way doesn't mean it's true. Want to know what else is better for victims and entering firefighters? Not disrupting the thermal layer and putting the fire out with a coordinated vertical ventilation.

The fire looks like it may have started in the kitchen (side C) and was already busted through the living room windows (side A) upon arrival. The fire had already breached the kitchen ceiling and had a good foothold in the joists above the ceiling in the area that transitioned from the C side to the A side. The hole was exactly where it needed to be.

@@kbacco The call came in with heavy C-side fire showing, which is where the woman was rescued (Trapped in the bedroom). I was getting ready to go around back when I saw the front window, and I knew it was going to blow out, so I stayed where I was,

You can tell from the smoke pushing through the eves that the fire was burning throughout the attic space.

@@kbacco An attic fire needs fresh air to burn well. When you open the roof, you provide a flow path for the hot gasses so they can mix with fresh air from that hole and any others like soffit or gable end vents. That's why you should NEVER climb on the roof of a burning building and vent the crap out of it. Let the attic suffocate, cut a small hole in the ceiling from inside and fog the attic. This isn't brain surgery, you just have to Think beyond, "Heat rises."

@@Andy-je3el It was smoldering and suffocating throughout the attic space. That's why you don't give it any fresh air. Just water through a ceiling hole.

Appreciate you keeping it positive, tired of hearing how everyone can do it better.

@@Blazefork Amen to that.

Maybe for rank inside the Company. In Germany there are different meanings . Here in Lower Saxony is: one red Sripe squad leaders, Two Stripes Group Leader, Red Ring on the Helmet municipality Chief, Two Red Rings District Chief. The Deputys of the Chiefs have one Ring and one short Stripe.

To pick up the helmet when the damn thing falls off your stupid head! Didn't you see him?

Lol yeah the instructors at the academy would hand you your ass if your helmet fell off BECAUSE you didn't use the strap. Always strap up.

Easy answer: to get to the trapped victim inside faster , when someone is trapped inside a burning building their location is given to the firefighters and the rescue crew goes in through the closest place to get to the victim so there is a big chance for survival.

You already judged them.

You want to push the fire back on to it's self. By coming in on the non-burned side you keep the fire and damage to a minimum

@@odoc696969 the fire was blowing out the front and back so what you are saying doesn’t apply here

Thanks! I'm actually using a DSLR camera in one hand taking photos, and another camera filming video with the other hand. Really tough to keep the footage still, it's not like I just stand in one place.

@@StevenMatto Well I appreciate you posting the video. It is an excellent training source.

Giving you some ideas for some handheld camera work, Chief? You know we want it....🤞😜

Oh man I love this that the famous fire cheif of KZfaq comments on here. Lots of people throwing this guy smoke. All I got to say is thank you for the videos and your service. Chief it's been a while since I seen a video from you I hope that's a good thing.

@@mrbubba-qv3rb Everything is good. I'm a blessed man. I'll be posting another video soon. We just had a fire my last shift.

Don't watch this and think that this is how it's supposed to look. This is a train wreck.

I am the same

@@desertbum8 ummm, not it’s not. You were not there, you don’t know the department, you don’t know alot. Shut up.

@@ffandrewd2986 lol. From watching the video. It's pretty blatantly obvious. If you're saying you disagree with myself and about 90% of the actual firefighters that watch these videos... then seems like you're the one that "don't know a lot."

@@desertbum8 your a troll. Look, I can admit I’m not a firefighter. But I’m not a smart ass. I wasn’t there, I don’t know the situation. Neither do you.

Painful to watch.

What the hell, it's a total loss at this point so let's get some ventilation training in while we're here!

@@markwillcox720 except it's not a total loss...

With the volume of fire they had; they most surely wanted to check for exposure to the attic. And it's hard to pull ceilings down with very hot smoke and steam at neck level. But what's really a pain is taking up and going back to the station only to get called back out for the attic re-ignition. A lot of people are going to be mad, and if it wasn't a total loss; it would be then. So there are several purposes. Those are just a few of the obvious ones. As long as those FFs know that the ladder is in a different place, sure. And yes you can do opposing lines if you coordinate well. Particularly if you have the bulk of the fire knocked down and you can see the crew on the other side. The porch in the back would be too small to run your backup line in there. In the case of an emergency evac, there would have been a deadly bottleneck at the door and on deck. Conditions were pretty ripe, so I would not have wanted two hoses going in the same door either.

@@charmcitytoe Check the attic from the inside. That is why you have a attic ladder. Hint, put the ppv fan at the front door. No need cut a hole in roof. Yes every dept has different sop's but, come on

Also a fan cheif

You think They have the answers? You are dreaming.

Volunteer..... shows. Cut the roof amd get a duece and a half in the door

A professional fd would have had 30+ members and a knock down in less then 10 mins on scene

How are you doing JB? X

@@peleirur lmao ive seen bad paid departments as well

That's right.

My only remark would be is the Chief should have known how to breech the front door. Also save your energy and stop trying to kick in a door that is more than likely double locked with one being a dead bolt. Other than that solid work and train to correct the mistakes at trainings. If we don't make mistakes than we are doing it wrong. If that makes sense.

Exactly. All you who criticized, let’s take some video of you at a fire scene and see how it looks.

Wow! That's all the taxpayers deserve? BTW: What is the tactical advantage of ventilating the roof?

Exactly lol

0:50 The main body of fire is from the rear with extension moving toward the front. The gasses coming out the front haven't ignited yet so the stop should be from the rear because the flames in back will eventually ignite them. Shutting off the heat source is always a good thing.

Transitional attack right away through the front window? Putting water on the fire sooner may not make your problems go away, but it stops them from getting worse.

@@firedude5135 If you wet down the front room and ignore the main fire source, the fire will grow in every other direction until the only thing left is room you wet down. They did this correctly.

Front door below the body of the fire you can hit most of that house from the top of the stairs with only being 6’ from the front door and a couple steps from safety. Also you are putting the line between the unburnt side of the structure and the fire. I would definitely not stretch to the back of the house it’s a waste of time.

KISS.... Bust the window then unlock from inside. Trust me Ive done it numerous times.

@@danielgadd9290 thank you for your service!

They need a lot more than that. That red hat needs some training and a diet

@@ljjames7604 Na not gonna bash them that way .

@@ljjames7604 haven’t seen too many fat guys get skinny but I’ve watched many a skinny guy get fat. It’s not the army it’s the volunteer fire dept. Guy probably gets up every time that bell rings.

I don't know. I have a Stihl and mine is temperamental from time to time. I will use it for 20 minutes and then shut it down to move some logs and the when I go to start it up again...nothing! I've had some choice words for it over the years. :D

Thanks 👍

Large Sarge doesn't wanna look less than buff... Silly people and their chin straps!

He’s just spectating anyway

He does have what looks like a helmet cam.thats more important than the chin strap.

If you have seen other videos you would see that some cities have Helmet cams are being used

@@johngarrettlegofireguy6885 yeah, because that's ultra-important for all that standing around.

Finally! An intelligent person leaves a comment on a fire video. I will interject a few things to consider. 1. There isn't enough information to determine if this was a good or bad knock down although they did look aggressive and did bring a charged line into the rear slider. 2. It looked like that front room could have used some water from a second line instead of extinguishing it through the rear door. Seconds count! 3. Roof opps are generally useless and expose the firefighters to unnecessary risk. The front window and back sliding door were venting along with the soffit vents. Opening a hole early on would have turned this into a structure fire when the flames entered the hole in the ceiling and ignited the smoldering attic gasses. The only thing that would have changed inside with VVing is the fire would have gotten worse if water wasn't immediately applied. 4. The way you put safety before anything including Search and Rescue is to eliminate the threats before going inside. You can vent fire room windows and get tank water on Visible Burning Material faster than you can get fully dressed, assemble and entry team and get the door open. They led the interior assault with a charged line which showed that intent. Vertical Venting is an unnecessary danger to firefighters. Watch these videos and ask yourself, "What are they REALLY accomplishing up there?" kzfaq.info/sun/PLkp0E1ao1XEy2uMomAtjWfScRFcCUmwwv

very poor trainning,Im not saying it doesn,t happeni froze 1 time but it was in trainning but im from the 1970s 80s

@@JB91710 Horizontal venting is not as effective as vertical venting. You're essentially giving the smoke a path to go so that visibility on the interior improves, as well as reducing the risk of backdraft. Because of how the smoke and fire works, horizontal venting only really helps with backdrafts as visibility is still going to be awful. You don't vent to make the fire any better. It does the opposite. It's why you don't vent every fire, or at least do it at a different time when certain areas are under control already.

@@reonthornton685 There is definitely a place for vertical ventilation. But by the time they finally got to the roof the fire was essentially done and over with and was useless. Getting the roof open very early in the fire is what we strive for. These guys just used it as a training opportunity.

@@hihfty Then they likely could not have got it done early as they'd be too slow. It still reduces the risk of reignition though by allowing for faster cooling so it's not useless. This obviously doesn't include any rooms with backdrafts forming though since they are already too hot. This isn't the primary function though by any means.

There’s a lot you can’t see too. Maybe shut your mouth because you were not there.

@@ffandrewd2986 I laugh at you!

@@hughhill29 ok. Your just immature.

These guys did fine for the limited training and resources. I assume they are volunteers. Far from perfect but at least they pulled a line and went inside.

Firefighters on here commenting on other firefighters fires. Probably someone who just got out of the academy with the negative comments.

@@rfdfire911 I'm all for harsh criticism when it is warranted, there are plenty of terrible fires on KZfaq! But you are right, the guys on here are probably kids who just finished their FF1 trying to get on the job.

What’s a for officer?

That must of been spell check it should have been ff

Yard gnome lol

He asked what to do because he was busy putting the fire out and got told to do what he was already doing. Especially if the “order” was coming from a yard breathing officer who can’t keep his helmet on and doesn’t cross the threshold.

With the shit gas we use today fire departments should only be using ethanol-free gasoline in all saws and even generators and gas fans as the ethanol in the fuel degrades all components of the fuel system in these small engines.

@@toddament8035 No doubt. But even starting and running them regularly will keep the fuel fresh and flowing. If not used, our saws, extrication power units, & fans were run every week. We found that was good for our gas powered tools. Start on the 1st or 2nd pull.

I think these guys need some better training. This is a disgrace to watch

To let smoke out

Good and valid questions. From what I could see, the rear was the main fire location when "They" arrived. We, got there late. You always hit the fire room from the outside before going inside. The roof never needs to be cut at any fire. Horizontal venting will do the same thing faster and safer and give you access to the burning material through those windows for fast and safe extinguishment to protect the victims and entering firefighters.

@@friendlyneighborhoodcow8776 For what it’s worth I’m a career fire Lt, been on the job almost 23 years. Just saying my background not showing you my gonads LOL.All that aside, generally you open roofs on fires that can’t be well vented through windows. That place was chugging smoke on arrival, but once they knocked it down and gave it a couple minutes it was venting itself nicely through the eaves and gable ends. Years ago that was the bread and butter to get up there and cut it open but there really needs to be a need. For example high heat inside when people are working or being kept from advancing. If you can see daylight straight through the house as in our case here windows are good. Knock it, back off and watch that things get smaller,grayer and less pressurized as a couple minutes pass. Maybe send somebody up to look around too. Even if it got into the attic you can you pop a couple holes and open a fog nozzle up there and that would take care of that. Not knocking you just giving some context.

I assume maybe they brought the victim out the back or something like that so maybe that’s where they entered.The front would’ve just done pretty much the same thing. Transitional attack go to door move in protect the egress search and finish putting it out. It was a good video to look and think about the things I might have to do any given day. Looks like my district. Good video

@@JB91710 k Chief... thanks for the lesson. Sounds like your typical millennial facebook fireman. There's a time and place for ALL ventilation, including a vertical vent.

Thanks for the reply. I'm really a photographer that decided to start doing video, too. I pretty much just try to hold the camera steady while I'm taking pictures, but I do have to move that hand to zoom, change settings, etc.., so the 'video hand' is all over the place. I recently picked up a GoPro 9 with horizon leveling and stabilization which keeps everything smooth, but I don't always have it with me. This call came in on my way home from work...luckily I had a couple cameras in the car.

I like overall videos also but with everything going on in the back and front at the same time I'm sure that it made it hard to figure out where to be. Too bad you didn't some help. Nice job.

I honestly don't know. It was being investigated, but I never heard the result.

It would be nice if the state was listed in the title on these videos.

Borough of Plum, Pennsylvania. East Northeast of the City of Pittsburgh, South of the Allegheny River.

This was a good video, but it could have been a great video if you cut down on the moving around.

Likely electrical problems.

Natural gas is 2psi pressure.

never went in either

"Residential structure fire with entrapment, one occupant rescued by PD as first-due arrived." from the description under the video

@@tomtruesdale6901 thank you I'm a firefighter/emt

Absolutely! And um...the hydrant right next to the truck....

If it ain't broken don't fix it

@@robertspencer703 The USA fire disservice is pretty much shattered! It needs a complete overhaul of its tactics. What you saw here is one of the best. A rare sight.

It's silly not to use it. It puts more of the weight onto your hips and off of your back and shoulders.

The occupant was trapped in a C-side bedroom, with heavy fire. The PD rescued the occupant as I was getting out of my vehicle, which is also when the first due arrived. I pass the occupant on a gurney when I first go between the houses, but didn't/wouldn't film them.

@@StevenMatto yeah, I’m as curious as the next guy but a casual shot from a distance, first responders blocking most of the view or a blur is for the best, to me. You get the idea of whats going on without some poor teenager getting on here and seeing his beloved Aunt Maggie take her last breath with peeled skin and nothing but her underwear on

@@banjopickerinadoublewide7613 Sometimes I do take the blocked gurney shot, but it caught me off-guard, and I was just getting to the back of the house, which is where the fire was supposed to be heaviest. A lot was unfolding at that time, including them asking me to yell to the pump operator.