I'm the guy who saw her painting Edit: I'm her boyfriend now

@@BenDover-st6gb hi the guy, I’m dad

What was your painting? Where can I see it?

@@toasteduranium It was a beautiful painting of herself... Very hot

@@BenDover-st6gb small child

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I have literally found myself on it almost every hour I'm not working, particularly now it's winter in Canada and there's nothing I wanna do outside

Now we use the world is an escape from the internet

@@raph2550 shit bro that's deep

Who said that?

any recommendations? :)

@@Sarah-wp9ss Folding Ideas

@@Sarah-wp9ss Jenny Nicholson put out an amazing video almost 4 hrs long about a wannabe theme park in Utah called Evermore. I watched because background - then I sat down and actually watched it. Great stuff. Emily D Baker is a lawyer who puts out 3-4 hr long podcasts - right now she's covering an absolutely bonkers trial happening in SC. Enjoy! :)

I still like short form content as well, though. I appreciate creators who do both - one subject can be an hour long, but sometimes you should make videos that are 10-15 minutes.

@@Sarah-wp9ss I would recommend Wendigoon, he makes long videos about a lot of different topics like weird conspiracy theories or analog horror series

OMG!!! "Endless Firehose of Stupidity"! THE BEST PHRASE OF 2021! That exactly expresses my feelings about television.

Yup. And now, apparently you just have to say you're an artist and you are without any work. People even just say they are a carpenter, plumber etc. and then you see the results of the work when you take them to task. They literally have no idea how to use a hammer, paint brush, screw driver etc. And they clearly are never going to be masters at any trade or art. But, of course, in the artworld stupid people just have to copy paste and AI generate someone else's work with a tiny shred of intellectual labour. FORGERS suck. Lol. Especially AI FORGERS. Lol. But some are amazing. Sadly. Ah well. All this AI stuff is fascinating and it's cool. Just don't forge without permission or try and sell as your own. Eek.

not to mention people now are ACTUALLY stupid they blame white people for everything! they think men can be women!

@@grittykitty50 Mate it's 2023 I know it feels like it was just yesterday, we all feel old, trust me

@@grittykitty50 except the OP was referring to online content, not television…

Nope there are still such content available ... I would say plenty of them ..... but they doesn't often of viral because the hard truth is majority of the humans are trend chases and want to watch what's popular / their friends are into . So if you want to REALLY find them actively go looking you for it .... use mutiple accounts with dedicated search histories ..... I didn't say it will be easy but they are out their. I have found channel in the 10k - 70k to be the most in depth . I can rarely relate to channels with 5mil + subs . Its about setting priorities. Its a real shame for creatives to chase just after the money while letting their passion die in the way. We as humans must take a moment and reflect what's truly important to us in this short life.

@@zotac1018 Like I said, occasionally something will be interesting.

Oooh, I like this. And it's so true too.

@@DarthShadie Thanks. And it's not copypasted. They're my own words, not a viral thing I copied from somewhere else. :)

@@andybaldman That's the sense I got, that it was your genuine words. And it resonates so much.

That is a brilliant assessment.

So true.

That's such an interesting thought it never occurred to me but now that you mentioned it I can totally see how things could go in that direction.

It’s literally a form of “mental slavery” to the algorithm …

It takes a lot of hard work to create and if you're doing it for the wrong reasons, you'll either experience burn out or get frustrated that people aren't "liking" what you're offering.☠️

Everything is branded. All the music you like for example.

@@theboofinyes, that's what they implied...

In that case they might as well just make art rather than content.

that appeals a lot to myself. I've been making music for some years now, but i never liked tiktok or instagram,so i dont use them to promote my music. and i see a lot of artists that rise from those social media platforms,( and not trying to be an asshole ) are not as interesting as mine. and it makes me sad cuz it feels like no matter how great i do my stuff, it will never be bigger than those who follow the algorithm

@@noah_wav1452 for REAL, man, I feel you..

the point of monay people's creativity is often to be heard or seen by others, so it's a natural desire to try to tailor your "content" to reach more people. I think the healthiest thing to do is back up and create something that we enjoy MAKING rather than caring whether we are heard/seen

Yes, it is exactly as you describe. Very recently I started to unsubscribe from a lot of vloggers who made me feel like I was watching the same content but with different people on camera. The same thing with tiktok, someone starts a trend and soon your feed is full of tons of people doing the same stuff over and over. Gets tiring very fast.

Yes. Is it really 'creativity' if it's just repeating a trend that thousands of other people have already done? Obviously, all art is inspired by others/outside sources, but not literally the same 30 sec clip to a music grab over and over and over...

@@dalton-at-work Ooh didn't even think of it like that. You're right, it stems from wanting to be seen and we are seeking validation from an audience so we end up focusing on their likes/dislikes more than our own.

@@mikinerey it definitely gets tiring when everyone tries to fit in instead of just expressing themselves and their own thoughts/feelings.

LMFAO

just checked out your work and it's awesome! Would love to hear originals from you someday ^-^

Well said

Love your music~!

Hahahha

It's gonna take a full circle, think about the patterns that existed 20-30 years ago. And still today in the movie industry, people will start releasing weekly content or even monthly episodes that go along with a series. Very interesting how we will create more intricate seasons filled with more unique moments

I couldn't agree more. People who made good music or videos make their mark not because of this algorithm but because they are just really good.

"we've" ... talk for yourself

@@Woodsaras rather odd statement, he's probably talking about the empirical data and overall statistics of human attention.

the word content sounds like idk, really dense cornbread, if that makes sense or livestock feed it's a pile of dense nothing that's meant to just fill a hole without really doing anything else

@@nicreven precisely. Tiktokers who do 10 second dance videos are called "content creators ". CONTENT??? REALLY???

Couldn't agree more, horrible word

If you don't content-create, how are you ever going to fulfill that grand aspiration. INFLUENCER Only then can one be content

There is always some that protest... But this is nothing new, it has happened all throughout history.

Artists in the 80's and 90's also had the luxury of rent being twenty bucks a month so they were far less willing to comprimise

I feel like the way you're talking about "the system" implies that it's somehow alive and totally independent of the "folks falling into it".

That's somehow just like another term I strongly dislike and avoid using: music production and music producer. It just sounds wrong to me, implying that the end result, the music, is not art, but merely just a (industrial) product and the creator is not an artist, but just a, well, producer, an engineer, a factory in person and often a salesman, everything, but not an artist. The art is getting removed from the art and that thing is somehow saddening me. For some weird reason, everybody wants to be a producer, but just calling oneself a musician happens less often, that's at least my personal impression.

@@thedoublek4816 Also, people being referred to as "consumers" instead of "citizens". Dehumanizing.

Agreed i love Drew!

Oh yeah Drew is great!! I’m glad you brought him up lol he’s a great example

and he has a serious anxiety problem,with all this pressure i can imagine it would be even more difficult

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Drew and Danny are some of my favorite youtubers, hands down

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I think this is where 'cancel culture' comes from too. Pre-internet there would still be celebrity/ media controversies, but the artists in question could easily put themselves at a distance from it. Their agent maybe would tell them ' that song you put out pissed people off' and so they would know in some vague way that people were 'pissed off', and pretty much shrug it off. Now you can see the dislikes mounting, the thousands of hate comments, the angry videos--more of it than you could reasonably get through. Once again is that effect of being your own self-censoring agent.

This is absolutely correct

The problem is obviously capitalism. Most people don't have the time and resources to make art or entertainment unless they can make money with it, which kills any genuinity or creativity because your art can be either consistently novel and interesting or consistently lucrative, but never both at the same time

@@DaveGrean "never both at the same time" The beatles, pink Floyd, Queen, LED Zeppelin, even Beethoven in his day, want to have a word with you. It's completely possible. But few will achieve it. It takes something special that only few people have, and it takes a lot of luck.

Pretty much this. I have the feeling that the less "serious going" a musician is creating their work, the better it gets. I've seen so with many bands and indies and am so glad that they did, otherwise I would've probably never found them. I remember watching that guy playing his ukulele in a clothes store singing happily "I've got no f's to give" and up till today, I consider it a masterpiece 😂

There are some good bands playing in local pubs. The size of the audience doesn't change the quality of the music. Is WAP by Cardi B a great song because it's popular? I believe it hit number 1 in the US at one stage. There are probably millions of songs on Spotify with less than a handful of listens that are a hundred times better.

@@nicerides9224 I never said there wasn't. I was speaking from a performing point of view. Generally, especially when you younger, you want to play to big crowds. Then as you get older, the appeal of just playing to a handful of people starts to sound not so bad.

@@cjlister8508 I get the attraction of the big crowds but I think smaller venues have a more involved feel with the audience. Even as just someone watching I like the atmosphere of a huge crowd but in a smaller place you're much closer and it's a different vibe. Both have their good points. I think without the atmosphere of a big crowd it focuses more on the music.

Same here man!

There's fundamentally something wrong with this Some kids making some lame KZfaq shorts in 8-9 channels earns 10K $ per month... While actual meaningful jobs doesn't. Our economy is notional and fake

You are not alone in that feeling.

It's all just trends.

@LauraVSThePage I clicked through to your page and it literally says "This channel doesn't have any content". ha!

@@coreybarritt1706 I would like that as my epitaph 😂

The struggle of being an artist and making a living is real. I don't know what twitch is. And really I find the social media aspect of posting my art so exhausting aswell that I have actually just stopped doing it altogether!

It has reduced art to mere entertainment (nothing wrong with entertainment, it's just not art and does not have its depth), and we have an overabundance of it. Fueling, and fueled by, consumerism. And it's not just in art, but almost all aspects of life.

@@quixoticindiscipline9524 Do a live painting session and take subject suggestions. Give the end result away to an audience member. Is it art or entertainment?

@@dopaminecloud A good answer would require more context, like the type of videos they upload as a whole, the quality of their art work, the personality or "vibe" of their videos, their business practices etc. You cannot really have a sound opinion off of one video. Let alone from a vague description like the one you gave. The livestreams of YT painters I've seen, definitely fall into the category of entertainment. Painting is an art, but not all paintings are art. The same applies for music, film, literature etc. Besides, a work of art that has depth and quality, is developed through weeks or months, not a couple of hours.

@@quixoticindiscipline9524 My question needs no further context and served its purpose by making you expand on this clear line you have drawn between art and entertainment. "Besides, a work of art that has depth and quality, is developed through weeks or months, not a couple of hours." Boggles the mind how people will put a term on such a pedestal because they liked a work. Here's an easy concept-shattering for you: Under your definition of art, no live band can make art because they only perform for a few hours at most. This is obviously a ridiculous thing to say. You've warped the meaning of art for the sake of seeing it as something more than it is. Most commonly this happens because you care about certain things that you want to call art and you don't care about other things and so you want them to be separated in your mind by not considering them art. This is not how it works, any actual artist will be able to tell you this. I encourage you to seek out creative endeavors of your own, so you can familiarize yourself with the creative process and come to understand art a little better with a little less arbitrary posturing.

@@dopaminecloud You are confusing the PERFORMATIVE aspect of music with the COMPOSITIONAL aspect in your "concept-shattering" example. High quality music is not written in a couple of hours, not to mention the years of study and practice it requires. I'm a visual artist and a musician, I follow several other creative interests, as well as intellectual, physical and spiritual pursuits. I understand how the creative process works and how it relates amd runs through the whole spectrum of human activity and understanding, I don't reserve the label of art to the typical creative activities. Please, control your ego and do not assume you can read other people's minds. Your initial question is as simplistic as your music example. It does require more context, no two artists are the same. Like I said before not all painting is art, and all painters I've seen streaming like that, are more entertainers than artists.

The effects of capitalism on creativity. Like in many other areas, it makes people produce so much redundancy and superficial things. As much as possible and as quickly as possible, no matter the quality or the waste it might create.

Congrats on starting your script! I've been playing with the idea of taking a social media break and studying art for my own sake instead of others. It's nice to hear others have been feeling the same

i dont even use social media at all outside of being able to communicate with some friends ive made online, and even then its just Discord really and i still bearly use it. i havnt been into social media much since i was pretty young and i feel like i dodged a bullet avoiding it as i got older.

Besides KZfaq, this happens in other levels I'm an embroiderer. I make (made) fabric jewellery. People didn't appreciate it, they thought it was expensive. Had no Facebook followers. Put hours embroidering. Years of learning. People said that I should lower the cost, and another insult: that I should make on demand whatever they wish for. How could I know how to name a price for something that I didn't know how many time I would be working on? And people are insane: they will want modifications, and more stuff being made, and then they think it is expensive. So no. I stopped all together. Stop trying.

That's a great message

cause you want to believe all "content" is bad and the world is full of dumb idiots that consume that garbage, when reality they exist but they are not close to be the majority neither you have to relate to them, just like the food there's people that eat sugar all the time, and there's a lot of fat people, but that doesn't mean there only fat people neither that eating a candy time to time is gonna make you fat...

The way we talk affects the way we think. Or the other way around. Or Both.

I totally agree with this. On top of what you've already said, saying that we "consume" art doesn't even make sense, strictly speaking. Once you're done watching or listening or reading or whatever, it's still there. It's not like food or water, which you literally consume.

​@@evandempsey6479 anthropologist David Graeber wrote a quite good article on the contemporary use of the word "consumption", you can read it for free in the webpage of the anarchist library.

Yes, because even the term "content" is so generalized, generic, NON-specific, it mostly gets forgotten... even 5-10 minutes later, when you're mindlessly watching yet another ultimately "forgettable", (but yet "interesting" in the moment of watching), video on whatever platform you wanna mention, (including here on KZfaq), therefore subconsciously further perpetuating the "numbing" of the term "content" in the back of your mind! Lol! (Funny, but not really funny when you think about it... more like just plain SAD!)

@@MGSVxBreakpoint haha I actually do remember. Made quite an impact on me

Long form content is better than attention span destroying shorts.

Those that entertain and educate, fuse those 2 things together, are truly the Future. Just like Oversimplified does: let's all learn while having fun. Thats why i recommend-around, even when no one asks, Hbomberguy, Sci Man Dan, Tier Zoo, Sci Show, Joe Scott and so many others.

very well said

Yes

yo its insaneintherain

Ah it's you! Thank you so much for all that you've shared with us :D . Wishing you all the best on your endeavors and hope that you're doing well!

I think you'll find you have more than just 1,000 true fans, Carlos. Not to mention the fact that just about everything you made while you were a "content creator" was true, inspired art (at least in my book). That being said, I'm excited that you're moving on to different things. I really want to ditch KZfaq since it's pretty much the only thing keeping me on the internet at all these days, and having one less of my favorite musicians using the platform as their primary means of getting their music out there will help me a lot with that lol.

I was thinking about you while watching this :)

I think my brother's one of those fans.

This. When you put money into the equation, everything becomes click bait. Becomes what earns money is clicks, not quality. Especially because you can use quantity of click-bait for less effort and more reward than taking the time to do quality. The broader internet audience needs to figure out how to reward the creative, quality work better. 100% agree with your last two sentences.

Yeah, that's late stage capitalism

Read this right at the three minute mark.

@@infamousamazonian same

@@infamousamazonian same 😬

I understand what you mean as I sometimes go through this myself. Some days, I take it as an indication I need to slow down my social media consumption and inject a daily mindfulness practice to slow down - meditation, yoga, breath work, or just listening to music eyes closed. Some other day, I just indulge in that fast pace binging 🤷🏻‍♀️ it's all about being conscious of what's going on inside your head!

sheeeeeesh i feel sorry for every gen z with a phone and internet including me

Dude yes!!!

Well what about the dark vibe under the smile?

@@edgarsilva9048 That's packed into the word genuine. imho

@@edgarsilva9048 that’s actually my favorite thing about him, especially when he shares his struggles. We all have a past, struggles and trauma. We’re all human and feel pain. But he’s still able to push forward and help us go forward too it’s inspiring.

Ahh, now you jinxed it. These type of comments never age well, so by definition I'm expecting this guy to make an apology video within the next 2 years for doing something horrendous.

Oh wow no replies to a check mark

@@solarwolf678 Well, at least I have yours.

@@Makebuildmodify and mine

And thyne

@@MTank7879 I thank you for your reply.

how do you mean?

@@OTea There is currently what could be described as an epidemic of loneliness for many people and some of them use the internet to try and fill that need. People who are lonely are vulnerable to emotional manipulation, they can be weak to a simple compliment, or just a small 'memorable one on one interaction'. As a creator of content(in this case music) you can't be a friend to every single one of your fans, not a real friend anyways. By engaging too much and being too personal its possible for a creator to give an illusion of friendship towards some of those vulranble fans which can(and has in many cases) result in the person becoming dependent on the creator to fulfill their social/friendship needs as a human being. As I said before a creator cant actually fulfill that role for every person, so by giving that illusion without actual fulfillment all they do is end up harming those specific people, and when the purpose of cultivating that relationship is to get them to give you money, it can get toxic pretty quick. Im not causing anyone of wrong doing here, its just a facet of the technology of social media that humans haven't quite figured out yet. I'm also not sure exactly where the line is or how to find it, but I think plenty of people are starting to figure it out, Ludwig is a good example.

@@dcgamer1027 ok I get it now

I love reading interactions like this in civilised comment sections. It goes a little way to restoring my hope for social media platforms.

@@armadillito KZfaq was rated the most positive for mental heath among all social media. Its not great but the best in the hellscape.

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the scam comment above mine shows just the state of the internet today

its not art.

@@Woodsaras Define "art". That term is very abstract, almost like the word art itself is art.

@@mattynek2 its not abstract, you just lack education.

@@Woodsaras Educate me then.

@@mattynek2 No. Educate yourself.

Hi, I was just listening to your music that's cool that you were here when I got here.

You do the depth thing pretty well 🤔

This right here is something he could have addressed, but that would have made it too long for the algorithm. Another aspect of all of this is that _AMOUNTS_ of things available make it worse. Studies show that when workplaces had those programs where they put in as much $ as you did towards your retirement package, if they offered enough packages, most people would simply not make a choice... to have their boss fund half their retirement. Makes no logical sense, right? Wrong. _*You FEEL AS IF_ there is only One Right group of people for you. Now the internet has exposed you to more _wrong_ ones than you knew existed. All of this creates alienation. I could expand upon this nearly indefinitely. That mindless video didn't appeal to me. But it appeals to all my friends let's say. Now I feel pressured to like something that I don't, or be left out. Even for a few seconds. So the choice isn't _about_ the content, is it? Are you loyal to Pfizer or Monsanto? So you have no problem joining an anti-GMO protest or desiring that Pfizer correct whatever caused duckduckgo.com/?q=maddie+de+garay&t=newext&atb=v290-1&ia=web. But when politicians speak on the behalf _of_ either one, then people feel as if they're *questioning Government Itself,* which also feels, to most people, like standing up to your own father at about age seven. Feel like wetting yourself yet? Everything said here, in the comments etc. is so glaringly obvious to me, & more. But this _could be_ a video that helps change things, when people stop searching their own inner "fearful of not belonging" algorithms & start seeing the Bigger Picture.

Those that entertain and educate, fuse those 2 things together, are truly the Future. Just like Oversimplified does: let's all learn while having fun. Thats why i recommend-around, even when no one asks, Hbomberguy, Sci Man Dan, Tier Zoo, Sci Show, Joe Scott and so many others.

really interesting!

69th like

106th like

It’s super disheartening when your new content is doing great but nobody cares to watch/look at your old content. Like, it’s there(!) I don’t delete it because I WANT you to watch it lol

Lovely to see you here!!

Just finished! I definitely agree with content becoming deeper, almost like having a catalog. I fell into writing and “content creation” after finding a small community on Reddit who, no matter what I was experimenting on whether it was videos, photography, writing, supported and enjoyed what I was doing! This allowed me the freedom to post what I want, and not worry too much about how it was perceived “quality” wise. Then, as I began to actually build a catalog & community on an outside (paying) platform (Medium) is where I began to feel the actual pressure- because the algorithm on Medium pushed certain topics. Obviously Reddit is still a platform, but since the idea is about posting on multiple communities , while building a follower ship, it doesn’t all come from a “niche” like how KZfaq, TikTok, NewsBreak, and Medium seem to work. For example, here on KZfaq my dog videos can get 30k views, but my hospital Vlog only got 2k. The algorithm decides what to push, and once it knows you’re “known” for something, it wants to push that. I’m just ranting now bc the more I think about it I get worked up, but this video truly spoke to me!!

Those that entertain and educate, fuse those 2 things together, are truly the Future. Just like Oversimplified does: let's all learn while having fun. Thats why i recommend-around; even when no one asks; Hbomberguy, Sci Man Dan, Tier Zoo, Sci Show, Joe Scott and so many others.

The problem is, the algorithm wont' care. No matter how many creators burn out and drop off the various platforms, there are thousands more ready to take their place. The system has no motivation to change, and a lot of motivation to continue as it is.

Recte! Bene!

If you do, good luck to you. But do advertise your site via tiktok and KZfaq shorts, to drive people to your site - then you're not paying the big companies for advertising.