Notice how any prewrath/posttribber when they teach, they are very calm and straight forward with the sermon. They don't bounce around with word searches and made up definitions. Nor are they wasting time acting like they know what the earlier churches taught. Nor do they tell u to buy a book of someone's interpretation, or do they lock the full sermon behind a book or DVD. It's all 100% scripture.

I pray more people will wake up from the pre trib view and realize the clock ⏰ has almost hit midnight.

Keep preaching the truth brother... we have to get as many as the unwise virgins to become wise knowing the rapture will happen much LATER than the unwise ones expected.

Very blessed in hearing this. Love the Word of God used as the critical foundation of the prewrath position. There is too much 'added' to the philosophy of a Pretribulation rapture that has this 'well just believe it because you're not a Bible Scholar.' I'm disgusted at how I was misled early in my walk with Christ in terms of the catching up of the Bride. I forgive but may God awaken His people who are following false teachers.

Ephesians 6:13-14 “Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness…” It is interesting that truth is worn like a belt. Belts were used to gird one’s loins to prepare oneself for work or battle. You can only stand on or for something if you know the truth about it. If you don’t know or believe that you must withstand in the evil day, you are less likely to take a stand. Hebrews 10:35-39 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay; but my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.” But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.

Give honor to whom honor is due. Great job and well done Sir! on simplifying pre-wrath..

Well that was cheerful. For someone who grew up under ‘Rapture any time’ doctrine, I think at 68 years old, I’ll be better off dying pretty soon. Thanks for that!

I love these teachings, they are just so professional and full of truth. It's just so obvious what you teach.

Thank you so much for this. So glad you made this youtube video. God Bless!!!

This study has really helped to understand the prewrath position thankyou so much🙏❤️

Just a note: Jesus said in Matt 24, as the lighting cometh out of the East & shineth even unto the West, so shall the coming of the "Sun of Man" be. He also says that every eye shall see Him. So, you see He turns out all the lights so that no one, no one will miss His appearing. He says, as fast as lightening. For some that is going to be a traffic display, to others; not so much. They will be fully aware, they have missed the boat. Now is the time to make it right; today is the day of Salvation. Just believe upon the only Name that brings Salvation & tell Him so.

Thank you so much!! 💓

This is life-changing for me. Thank you! I can explain so much in a long drawn out Bible Study and that's why I don't get to share with people a lot. I put it off because I'm waiting for opportunity to actually be able to sit down with them. I know it's good to be able to do that, but I really need to be able to explain not only the pre-wrath position but also the extremely important things you mentioned at the end of the video, in just a couple minutes. I think if I knew how to discuss topics in short, it would actually cause a chain reaction and I'd also get more opportunities for deeper studies with people in some cases. For years I've felt like a ticking time bomb, full of info, wishing someone would ask and then be ready for my detailed answers. In other words, I keep my mouth shut on a lot of things because I don't want to confuse them or mislead them by trying to dump everything at once, but I LOVE how you were able to bring out the meat of the pre-wrath view, clear and concise. As you can see, I'm long-winded. Okay, I'm stopping now. Lol. Thank you again!

I also address the parallel of Matthew 24:29 and the sixth seal Revelation 6:12-13. This is critical to understand the trumpets happen after the seven year period is over, because the fifth trumpet, and the sixth trumpet, give a total time of their events of Three years and eleven months longer than the seven year period, the first four trumpet's, and the last trumpet has no time length given for the events that happens when they sound.

Thanks for your thorough exposition, I am ahead having viewed your video, thank you, don't agree, but God bless you.

The one point I would make is that we may not know when this covenant is signed/continued/reinstated. It might happen behind the scenes and we'll only know after the fact.

Exceptional teaching. I abandoned a pre-tribulation rapture position years ago. It simply has no coherent basis in the Scripture. Minor quibble though. I would ask that we stop using the phrase “antichrist” to refer to the Beast (Strong’s G2342) of Revelation (11:7 & 13:1). And would also ask that we stop using the doctrinally unsupported phrase “rapture.” We should be referring to the gathering (G1996) of the elect or the saints. That is the proper terminology from Scripture.

Thank you!

Thank you.

I've been looking for a clear explanation for a long time. Thank you..

Thank you

The New Testament is clear about Jesus coming !!!! Not about us leaving. But when Jesus comes, those who are alive and left will be gather to Him in the air.

In regard to Daniel's 70th week; just one month prior to this video being posted, the new Prime Minister of Israel, Naftali Bennett announced the third temple will be built in 3 years. Naftali Bennett (first ever in the history of Israel was an Orthodox Jewish Prime Minister elected); he is part of an 8 faction coalition that ousted Benjamin Netanyahu out of office. Netanyahu would not approve the temple to be built because he felt it would be a policing nightmare to keep the peace between the Muslims and the Jews on the temple mount. This was something the Holy Spirit was showing me a few years ago. The Holy Spirit was showing me Netanyahu was being used by God to keep the antichrist from being revealed by not allowing the third temple to be built. The interesting thing about this is Israel's election cycle only happens once every four years. Because of complications in the election, for the purpose of keeping this short, there needed to be 3 redo elections to determine who would be Israel's next Prime Minister. Netanyahu lost all four times but God kept him in place as Prime Minister until the fourth election. These elections occurred in about a two and half year span. The 8th faction coalition to Oust Netanyahu had 7 Jewish political parties and for the first time ever in Israel elections the 8th political party was Israeli Arab (Islamic). The policy in the past required all political parties to be Jewish only. Somewhere in all of this, the seven Jewish political parties and the leader of the 8th faction made a covenant for peace on the temple mount to allow the Jews to build the third temple. The tally of votes for the forth election took place on June 13, 2021 and Naftali Bennett was sworn in as the new Prime Minister of Israel; within a week of Bennett taking office, he announced on or near June 20, 2021 the third temple would be built in 3 years. This could be a strong indication that Daniel's 70th week has begun. June 13 began a new week in Israel with a new government established (7 Jewish and the 8th Islamic). Revelation 17:9-11, "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. 10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. 11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. The name Naftali is a biblical name from Jacob and Bilhah's second born Naphtali. Jacob was Isaac's second born. God changed Jacob's name to Israel.

I refused to accept the Rapture until I was shown how the Apostle Paul received NEW Revelations personally from our savior in the desert of Sinai after his conversion !

Thanks so much for this, however, you missed the trumpets according to Revelation, Matt 24 Thess 4, Cor 15 ruptured at the last trump

The seals come before the trumpets and bowls. The wrath comes in the 6th seal. (Rev 6:17)

One could assert that “The Day of the Lord” could begin when Jesus takes the scroll and breaks the first seal. This prewrath doctrine seems to rest completely on the assumption that the “Day of the Lord” does not begin until after the abomination of desolation. I don’t know that he has a complete understanding of what the day of the Lord means.

Is there any way to get the printed notes from this lecture? Even the power point notes would be perfect.

Great video, where do you place the trumpets and bowls? During the day of the lord? And the coming of Jesus riding the white horse with its army? Do you think the trumpets and bowls are against the army of the beast? Any believers during this period?

I noticed you ended at Rev 6, how does there rest of revelation factor in the pre wrath view

So how many years between the beginning of sorrows and the c rapture ?

I am asking humbly, can someone explain 1 Corinthians 15: 51, 52 ? That we believers will be changed at the ‘last trumpet’. Reading this, I would think this is the last or 7th trumpet in Revelation.

God our father is Almighty, It is not God’s will that he should lose anyone, His will shall be done in earth as it is in Heaven

When Jesus said the sun would be darkened, the moon turned into blood, and THE STARS FALL; the stars falling are the 7 trumpets in Revelation. The rapture/first resurrection is the harvest (Matthew 13) at the last (7th) trumpet, just like Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15:50.

I find it interesting that when Jesus died, darkness filled the earth and there was a great earthquake, cosmic disturbance and when He returns, the same happens! Just a thought! Wow.

The wrath of God starts at the 7th or last trumpet. Revelation 11:16-18 [16]And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, [17]Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. [18]And the nations were angry, and [thy wrath is come, ]and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Revelation 15:1 [1]And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; [for in them is filled up the wrath of God.]

After October 7, the events triggered by the Abomination of Desolation, sound eerily similar to a sudden attack on Judah and Jerusalem (coming from the West Bank?).

"NOT called the tribulation...." Yet, Jesus said, "after THE TRIBULTION of those days..." Matthew 24:29

Until they show that the second coming and the rapture are two different events you will not convince me of a pre trib rapture, when our Lord returns is when he sends the angels to gather his elect from the four corners of the earth those are the words straight from his holy voice .

Could you explain your thoughts on 2 Thessalonians 2: 7-8? These verses indicate that the man of lawlessness cannot be revealed until "He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. THEN the lawless one will be revealed. This is a timetable thing that seems to contradict your order of events.

I noticed a contradiction in prewrrath's position regarding the beginning of the day of the Lord. Dr. Weis explains (correctly) that the first half of Daniel's 70th week is the "beginning of sorrows." The term used by Jesus is actually best rendered "birth pains" (odin - Greek). This creates a contradiction because prewrath claims the day of the Lord begins after these birth pains, but the apostle Paul teaches that the birth pains are the beginning of the day of the Lord. Paul wrote, "For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape" (1 Thess. 5:2-3). Notice Paul is teaching that the day of the Lord begins "like labor pains" (1 Thess. 5:3). Paul is using the identical term (odin) for labor pains that Jesus did in Matthew 24:8 and is referring to the same time period. The labor pains in the beginning of Daniel's 70th week are in the day of the Lord, not prior to it. This is why pretribulation proponents rightly claim that believers must be removed at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week, not later.

Read John 17...what does Jesus pray for His disciples and also for us

Excellent teaching. So the rapture is at the 6th seal. What I would like to add is that the 7 letters to the 7 churches match with the 7 seals. Look at the 6th letter to Filadelfia. There is an open door. Thats the rapture.

While I agree with the timing presented, I find it curious that the description of the heavenly battle and the beast/false prophet don’t show up until after the trumpet judgements. Why would they not be explained nearer to the portions of martyrdom and rapture I wonder?

--in the eyes of the Father the death the sacrifice of His Son was it the ending of the sacrifices ? .....does it have any value any sacrifices to be considering a stopping after the one that His Son did?

"Then, AFTER the tribulation of those days..." cosmic disturbances.... WHERE will this timing be in Revelation? Since this is the SIGN for the coming of the Lord to Armageddon, it would probably be just before Jesus comes as shown in Revelation 19. It could be during the marriage and supper which takes place in heaven, as outlined in chapter 19. It could be before the marriage and supper. It could be during the timing of events in chapters 17 and 18. My guess is, AFTER the 7th bowl and will end the week. It is must certainly NOT where he shows it on his drawing.

QUESTIONS: Daniel 9:25-27/paraphrase, the restoration of Jerusalem Temple shall be "7 Weeks, 3 Scores (20+20+20=60 weeks), and 2 weeks," which is equivalent to 69 weeks in total, then the last remaining week which is the 70th week, shall be a week (7 days) of the Anti-Christ signing a confirm covenant with many nations including Israel, but in the midst of the week (3.5 days) the Anti-Christ will break the covenant which is called as the "Abomination of Desolation."... Why is it that 7 days (1 week) was interpreted as 7 years of Tribulation?... Why need to convert 7 days into 7 years?... Is it because of the 42 months reign of the Beasts, narrated in Revelation 13? Is that the Biblical basis for this?... Why can we not take it as a LITERAL 1 week or 7 days as the Bible narrated?... The Wrath of GOD is also called "The DAY of the Lord."... Why can we not take it as literal a Day = 24 hours?... Are all these computations as ASSUMPTION or THEORY only?... Is this 100% proof accurate interpretation/calculation and error-free?

what does psalm 90 mean? 1000 years

You mis-spoke, when Noah went into Ark, God said come in, God closed the door BUT it didn't begin to rain for 7 days. However, when the Angel set Lot outside the city, judgement fell immediately.

"...it is not talking about blood moons..." Yet, a total eclipse of the sun and moon FIT EXACTLY how John describes them at the 6th seal. I would rather trust John.

If I was a Futurist this would be my position...

"God is going to flip the switch on the universe...go dark..." Yes, very true for the sign of His coming, as shown in Matthew 24. If John had seen this sign of total darkness, it would be written somewhere in chapter 19, or perhaps 17 or 18 of Revelation. It is the sign of Christ's coming as outlined in Rev. 19. With the lights turned out, NOTHING can be seen in the sky. Not the sun, not the moon, not even the stars. These CANNOT POSSIBLY be the same sign. IT IS NOT THE SIGN of the 6th seal start of the DAY. That sign has both the sun and moon VISIBLE.

It may NOT be "fine." Hebrews 9, last verse, tells us Jesus is coming the second time and will appear ONLY to those who are LOOKING FOR HIS COMING. I doubt seriously if anyone who truly believes the pre-wrath position is expecting Christ TONIGHT!

"see the abomination...Must flee to the mountains..." This ties the midpoint of the Week to chapters 11, 12, and 13 as midpoint chapters. Jesus tells us that the days of great tribulation must come AFTER the abomination, so AFTER chapters 11, 12, and 13. Indeed, the days of great tribulation (GT) will not begin until AFTER God sends angels to warn people not to receive the mark, and we find that in chapter 14. This is confirmed by these passages. Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. 13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Then in Chapter 15, John saw the first martyrs from these days of GT begin to show up in heaven. Since all this is very clear in the scriptures, WHY do pre-wrathers imagine the days of GT are in the seals?

"Matthew 24...partially about 70 AD, most mostly about Christ's second coming..." I disagree: will be before the start of the Day, and will be as Matthew 24 and Revelation 19 show it: His coming to Armageddon. John 14 shows us He goes back to heaven after His second coming. Revelation 19 confirms that

I see a problem with your theory ... the Day of the Lord STARTS when they are saying "peace and safety" .. [1Th 5:2-3 NASB95] 2 "For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3 While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape." Thus is cannot come AFTER a great trib period !! Additionally, there are at least 4 possible occurrences of the cosmic disturbances ie. sun being darkened, the moon darkened, etc in Revelation. As well, Joel 2:28-32 is spoken of in Acts 2:17-21 by Peter in reference to the pouring out of the Spirit at Pentacost ...

How many resurrections will there be? Answer: two. Blessed and holy are they who are in the first resurrection (Rev 20:6). (Note: the rapture and the first resurrection are the same.) This glorious event takes place when The Two Witnesses are raptured / resurrected. (1) they hear a great voice from heaven saying unto them, "Come up hither.” And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. (Rev 11:12, John 5:28) (2) first the dead in Christ are raised and quickly followed by those who are alive (whose bodies takes on immortality in the moment in the twinkling of an eye.) (3) our enemies will see us ascend into heaven just as the apostles/other people saw Jesus ascend into heaven. (4) Rev 11:13-14 starts the second and third woes. We won't experience God’s wrath because we have just been raptured! Thank you, Lord Jesus!! (Note: the second death and the second resurrection are the same.)

In Daniel it says that there is a period of 1290 days between the taking away of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination of desolation. Please look into that. This means that the covenant with many (those who forsake the holy covenant in Israel) will mark the beginning but in 3.5 years the man of sin will cause the sacrifice to cease. Then, he will come back 1290 days later and will set up the abomination. This is the time that those in Judea must flea (the beginning of the GREAT TRIBULATION. Blessed Is He Who Waits And Comes To The 1335 Days! There will be 40 days of great tribulation (at least in Israel).

Question : Who is that child from Revelation 12?

There is NO POSSIBLE WAY the timing of "after the tribulation" can meet in time a point BEFORE the tribulation, and JOHN is VERY CLEAR that the Day of the Lord will begin BEFORE ANY PART of the 70th Week. The DAY will begin at the 6th seal, but the WEEK will begin at the 7th seal. The 6th seal start of Wrath (the rapture must come before wrath) will most certainly be opened before the 7th seal start of the WEEK.

Amen! Only one key word missing. KJV says he will confirm THE covenant for one week. The ties it back to the Mosaic covenant, permitting Jews to rebuild their Temple and begin sacrificing animals again. Blood runs down the streets of Jerusalem, Anti Christ brings it to an end at mid point. He (Yeshua) turns out the lights before the great & terable Day of the Lord comes. With the lights turned out, Every Eye Shall See HIM & every tongue confess, that He is LORD. More but:

Wow I looked to see what the Jewish population is and 2/3s is 6,560,000 million. That is crazy. God help us and them

Take note... the power and authority of the Unholy Trinity (Antichrist/Beasts/False Prophets) on earth given by Satan/Old Serpent/Dragon/Devil were narrated in the Bible for 42 months (3.5 years) only, no more no less... Therefore, the Great Persecution/Tribulation of the Unholy Trinity has a time limit duration... But the "Wrath of GOD/Day of the Lord" does not have a time limit duration. It is up to GOD how much time HE needs to shorten His Wrath without harming/hurting/tormenting the People of God (Christians/Jews) and people without the mark of the beast "BEFORE" God will send back His only begotten Son, Christ Jesus to earth that the People of GOD (martyrs/saints/survivors) will be caught up to meet His Son halfway in the Clouds/Sky/Air... based on Matt.24:29-31/Rev. 19.

A common objection to the pre trib view is that its “new”, “the church fathers didn’t teach this etc.” the same can be said of this hair splitting pre-wrath view. It’s newer than the pre trib-view by many many years. This view originated with Robert Van Kampen in the 70’s.

"Coming on the clouds with power and great glory" Does this seem to fit His Revelation 19 coming to Armageddon, or Paul's rapture coming where he remains hidden in a cloud? OF COURSE, it is His coming to Armageddon, as shown in Rev. 19. His coming for His church, as Paul wrote, will happen BEFORE the 6th seal as written in Rev. 6. There will be OVER SEVEN YEARS between the 6th seal and Christ's coming after the marriage and supper as outlined in Rev. 19. Pre-wrath attempts to MORPH these two separate comings into one. They fail. It is impossible.

So a pre-tribber will try to say there are two comings.

Pointing out that ALL seals must be opened to unroll the scroll was a lifht bulb for me rhat matches the Holy Spitit's leading to me personally. Moreover scriptures match perfectly in O T and NT about pre wrath and, the rapture at the last trump mentioned by Paul BEFORE John wrote The book of Revelation. More proof the elect will not go through God's wrath in the GREAT trib. The last 3.5 time period. So rhank you!

"The sign of the Son of Man appearing in the sky..." WHAT is this. It is His coming as LIGHTNING flashing from East to West in a VERY DARK SKY. The Greek word for "darkened" here, from Strong's concordance, of heavenly bodies, means, "the absence of light." In other words, TOTAL DARKNESS. His coming will flash like lightning!

If Gods wrath dies not start until AFTER over half way through the 7 years, when do the 2 witnesses preach? Seems they bring some wrath.

Sir you are greatly confused as to the day of the Lord. This is a Jewish phrase, and it entails the entire 7 years spoken of by Daniel. It is definitely not a 24 hour time period. This even is declared at the very end of all things 2 Pet 3:10 .

"It is in the 6th seal we find God's wrath." "After the cosmic disturbances" "After the rapture" "After the midpoint of the Week" He was right on track up to that last statement. Indeed, since Paul showed us that the rapture much come before God's wrath, and God's wrath begins at the 6th seal, then yes, the 6th seal start of wrath will come AFTER the rapture. Will God's wrath come after "the cosmic" signs? John wrote that the sun would turn back. We see the sun appearing black during a total eclipse. We see the moon turning red during a lunar eclipse. These are NOT "disturbances," they are signs in the sky. And they will come, according to Joel, before the start of the Day of the Lord. Where is the 6th seal opening in relation to the midpoint of the week? The exact midpoint will be marked by the sounding of the 7th trumpet. That is in Revelation chapter 11. On the other hand, the 7th seal is opened before ANY trumpet can sound. Why? The trumpets are written INSIDE the book, and the book cannot be opened until all seven seals are opened first. This is why we KNOW the rapture is pre-trib. The tribulation will begin at the 7th seal (when the book gets opened) and WITH the first trumpet. By this time, the raptured church will be in heaven. The days of Great tribulation will not start for another three and a half years. Therefore, the correct order will be: 1. The rapture (people are thinking and saying "peace and safety.") 2. The 6th seal opened 3. The great earthquake, (probably caused by the dead in Christ rising.) 4. the signs in the sun and moon 5. The Day of His wrath begins. 6. The 7th seal opened (probably after the ten days of Awe). 7. The BOOK is opened to begin the 70th week of Daniel. 8: the first trumpet sounds. 9. The first six trumpets sound 10. The 7th trumpet sounds, the man of sin enters the temple causing the abomination. 11. Those in Judea begin to flee (Rev. 12:6)

graph: | cosmic disturbances | great tribulation | cosmic disturbances | He is showing "cosmic disturbances" INSIDE the 70th week. The sign of total darkness will begin with one of the bowls of God's wrath and will probably last until Jesus comes, some UNKNOWN time AFTER the week ends with the 7th bowl.

"GT cut short by these cosmic disturbances..." WRONG! The days of great tribulation (GT) will be cut short by the bowls and plagues of God's wrath as shown in chapter 16 of Revelation. "Those days" of GT only BEGIN late in chapter 14 of Revelation, and continue through chapter 15 and up to the bowls in chapter 16.

Actually our God is great and almighty. Why a pre - trib is baffling. God can punish and save at the same time. Noah and family saved through the flood. While all other unbelivers punished. Now why a different mode adapted is confusing. God know the saved and unsaved. God is giving time for all now for repentance and forgiveness. Then why there is a need for a seven year period for special end time tribulation? No logic in it. I found that this is end time deception. Many will wait for it will disappointed and go to hell. Now is the time for repentence. No extra time will gonen to sny one. Jesus Christ will appear in flsming fire and the unsaved will never withsatand it. Saved will. They were the left behind like Noah and family. All others will burned to death.

Where do the 2 Witnesses of God that will live for 3-1/2 years start and end (died)... it can not start from the beginning of Tribulation... because it is only after the 7th Angel blows the 7th Trumpet, that the 2 Witnesses of God appeared (Rev. 11)... The 2 witnesses of God need to be alive for 3.5 years timeline before the Anti Christ kills them...

The pre-wrath position CANNOT be defended when one knows where in Revelation the Day of the Lord REALLY begins, and where in Revelation the 70th Week begins. The DAY begins BEFORE the WEEK.

He got this right: the rapture will come JUST BEFORE the Day of the Lord. However, He has MOVED the Day of the Lord from Revelation 6 to much later in the book. Such a move can only be wild imagination. It will never happen. Jesus will call the Church up, then open that 6th seal to begin the Day of the Lord and God's wrath, then a few days later will open the 7th seal to begin the 70th week. The church will be in heaven for the ENTIRE WEEK. This is confirmed in Revelation 7 as the great crowd too large to number-the just-raptured church-and in Revelation 19 showing the church already in heaven for the marriage and supper.

"BEFORE" (Joel 2:31) Where is this in Revelation? It is in chapter 6: the 6th seal. The book cannot be opened to reveal the trumpet judgments UNTIL the 7th seal is opened, Rev. chapter 8. Yet, this teacher is speaking of a time AFTER the tribulation. The days of GT cannot begin until the last half of the week. The week does not begin until the 7th seal and with the first trumpet. John has a very clear timeline: seals sealing a book; once the seals are opened then the book is opened, to begin the WEEK and sound the trumpets, which will sound in the first half of the WEEK. Then chapters 11, 12, and 13 are MIDPOINT chapters. The bowls are poured out LATE in the last half of the week. The week ENDS with the 7th bowl. John takes the readers are a straight walk through time. There are no flashbacks, not backpeddling, no out of order events. The only exception is when John uses a parenthesis or something is written as a prophecy. In other words, it is impossible for an event in chapter 16 (AFTER the tribulation) to align with an event in chapter 6. Pre-wrath rearranges Revelation to fit their theory and will certainly be proven wrong.

❤CHRISTIANS DON’T NEED OUR “FLESH” SAVED! 🤔 Hmm! Whether we die in Christ or are alive at his appearing, we shall ALL put on immortality. (1Cor15:50-55 KJV) The “saved flesh” Jesus was referring to in Matt24:22 KJV are the “remnant of Israel” who “would have become as Sodom and Gomorrah” and totally annihilated if Jesus hadn’t returned to defeat the Antichrist and his forces at the battle of Armageddon which happens AFTER the Rapture. (Read Rom9:27-29 Rev16:12-16 KJV) The 1,260 days are NOT shortened to save the flesh of believers! As Jesus has told us in Matt24:29-31 KJV, Rapture shall happen immediately AFTER those 1,260 days of great tribulation! 😊

I also believe that just like the 6 days of creation, 7th day was rest. A day is as a thousand years taught in scripture. 6,000 years of man , 1,000 years millennial reign ( day of rest). We are at the end of 6,000. 4,000 bc ,+ 2,000 years for the gentiles. I believe HIS death started the clock on 2,000 , when he was rejected. He died sometime between 28 and 32 AD. I think HE returns exactly 2,000 yrs from his death. HE’S coming soon.

I'm confused ...which scriptures says ( as you put it....) EVERTHING GOES DARK?

"Cosmic disturbances - - - Joel 2:31" WRONG! This is where Rosenthal and Van Kampen MISSED IT! Joel 2:31, the sign of total eclipses, aligns with the 6th seal in Rev. chapter 6, NOT AFTER THE DAYS OF GREAT TRIBULATION! (GT) (Again, the days of GT do not begin in Rev. until AFTER God sends His warning not to take the mark, as outlined in Rev. 14. How can anyone imagine that John's timing in Chapter 6 can align with His timing of chapter 14? These two chapters are over 3 1/2 years separated in time. ANY theory that must rearrange Revelation to fit some theory will be proven wrong! There will be a sign after the tribulation, but that is the sign of His coming to Armageddon, and it is the sign of TOTAL DARKNESS.

Although I agree with the pre wrath rapture, position, can anyone tell me why people break the last week of the 70 weeks prophecy when there is no reason or direction to do that? Jesus Christ fulfilled the last week of that prophecy. Jesus put an end to the sacrifices with His death which was in the middle of the last week of Daniel. If we read Hebrews, we can understand that Jesus took care of the problem of sin, opening everlasting righteousness to those who believe. So,, do not believe of the 7 year week of Daniel pushed into the future because this is wrong. The abomination of desolation happened when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem to destroy it. Revelation 14:14-16 is about the rapture and the destruction of the wicked. This lines up with Mathew 24 and the words of Jesus. After this, the 7 bowls or wrath will be cast to the earth and this is the wrath of God to the world of the Antichrist.

The man of sin will revealed after the church, the holy nation is raptured....without 2 Thess 2 and Rev 6:1 in your exegesis, the order of events will be incorrect.

He does define the pre-wrath view well. However he leaves out (as do pre-trib and post-trib with their beliefs) the verses that refute this belief. Here are some problems. 1) They put the rapture at the sixth seal. What follows in the trumpet judgments alone takes a minimum, of five months (actually more) as the fifth trumpet alone lasts five months. This would mean that Christ’s return and the rapture (which occurs at His Second Coming by their teaching) would have to occur at least five months (but most likely much more given the rest of the trumpets must fall into that time period) prior to the end of Daniel’s 70th week. Specifically it would have to happen sometime in the midst of the second half of that week. The problem becomes that Christ, by clear Scriptural statement cannot come back until the end of the three and a half years. Why is that? Because it says in Daniel 7:25 that the antichrist reigns for three and a half years, and in Revelation 13:5 it says he is given forty-two months to reign. Of course those two time periods cover the same amount of time. So the antichrist is allowed to reign for the entire second half (three and a half years, forty-two months or 1260 days) of Daniel’s 70th week. And this becomes a problem, because in 2 Thess. 2:8 it clearly states that the brightness of Christ’s coming destroys the man of lawlessness or antichrist. If the antichrist is destroyed at Christ’s coming, and His coming is before the end of Daniel’s 70th week, then the antichrist does not reign for forty-two months or three and a half years. So something is very wrong with the idea that Christ can return before the 70th week is over. It cannot be reconciled. Christ cannot return in the midst of the week, He can only return at the end of it. That is also confirmed in Acts 2 & 3 where Christ cannot return until His foes are made His footstool antichrist defeated) and there is a restoration of all things (Christ is giving kingship). 2) The argument is presented that at the sixth seal, the Day of the Lord commences, therefore Christ must return then, for this signs precede the Day of the Lord and His Coming. Yes, I will agree with the fact that these signs precede the Day of the Lord. However, if one looks closely at the Olivet Discourse, one sees that there is no time limit between the signs given and the following verse with begins with the word “then.” Christ did not lay out all of the many things that were to happen in Daniel’s 70th week at the time of the Olivet Discourse, because it was not time for that information to be given. It was to come later, and we, as students of the Bible, were expected to take the new information and apply it into the previous information expanding on that initial piece of information. “Then” is a word that designates chronology, but it does not designate a specific time frame. What we were to ascertain from Revelation is that the signs will precede Christ’s Second Coming, but so will many other things in between those two things. It was meant to give us a chronology, not a specific time frame. As the two witnesses in Revelation are prophesying for 1260 days, and their witnessing clearly falls in the second half of the 70th week, we see that their witness ends at the time of the last trumpet being sounded. This would put the last trumpet at the end of the second half of Daniel’s 70th week. It is at that time that we are told that Christ is taking up His power and reigning, that God’s wrath has come, that the time to reward the saints (Bema Seat) has come(which occurs after the resurrection/rapture event), and that the time to destroy those who have destroyed the earth has come. The argument is given that in the sixth seal, the Day of the Lord is mentioned, therefore that is when the Day of the Lord must begin. We must look clearly to see exactly what is said there. It says that the people of the earth respond to the signs that PRECEDE the Day of the Lord by saying that the Day of the Lord has come. Of course they would say that, because these are the signs that we are told would precede the Day of the Lord. However people saying it and heaven announcing it are two different things entirely. We were not told how far in advance these signs would precede God’s wrath, only that they would precede it. We do not see heaven announcing God’s wrath, only people assuming it has come due to the signs. We do not see Christ crowned King of Kings here. Where do we see these things - the announcement, the reign beginning, the Bema Seat (which follows the resurrection)? We see them at the seventh and last trumpet. And we see God’s wrath again announced numerous times in Revelation 14:19, and chapters 15 and 16. All of which follows a rapture in Rev. 14:14-16. It is also noteworthy that the temple is first seen to be opened in Rev 11:19 where the ark of the covenant is seen, and again we see that it is opened in Rev. 15:5, thus putting these two sections of Scripture as two views of the same event and time. And we see that in Chapter 15, the bowls of God’s wrath are brought out of the temple to be poured out on the world. These occur after the seventh trumpet has sounded. After a rapture in Rev. 14. 3) So who then are all the people on the sea of glass in Rev. 7? They are the ones that the martyrs in the fifth seal were told they had to wait for, as they had to be killed as they were. The mistake everyone one seems to make is believing that the entire Church is somehow going to escape death through all of this, whether they are here on earth or raptured in a pre-trib rapture. No. This worst holocaust in the history of the world is not for the Jews alone. It is for the Christians as well. According to 2 Thess. the Church becomes apostate for the most part (and in the Western world already has). And the letters to the churches in Revelation show that five of them are due Christ’s chastisement because of this, not to mention one of the two left is martyred in spite of not having any condemnation. And if one looks at the verses pertaining to Israel during this period of the great tribulation and the Day of the Lord (Dan. 12:1, Jer. 30:7, Rev. 12:14) one sees that the remnant of Israel that will come to the Lord upon seeing Him when He returns, will be delivered or saved out of both the great tribulation and the Day of the Lord. They are protected, however the saints (the Church) will be handed over to the antichrist for him to kill. (Dan. 7:25 and Rev. 13:7) Those on the sea of glass are the overcomers spoken of in Rev. 12:11 who overcome the beast by their deaths. When Satan cannot get to the woman Israel, he turns and goes after the Christians. (Rev. 12:17). Millions of Christians will die, along with Jews whose names are not written in the Book of Life (for entrance into the future millennium). Note that when Paul talks about the rapture he refers to those who “remain and are alive.” Remain from what? The word remain indicates that there has been a destruction of some sort of which there are remains left behind. And to say “remain and alive” together indicates that there was death involved as those who remain are alive, so therefore the whole which preceded it was at one time all alive and now are mostly dead. The Church has got to stop thinking they have a get out of jail free card. The Western Church is so Laodicean that it defies belief. The rest of the world is dying for their faith by the thousands. Why does the Western Church keep insisting that they are all going to be raptured, when the truth is that most of us will die a martyrs death? Be prepared for that, not to be raptured. 4) Paul was a prophet. The Holy Spirit gave prophecies to the prophets, even if they did not fully understand what they themselves were saying. So it does not matter that Paul did not know what John would later say. The Holy Spirit knew. Paul said that Christ would “at the LAST trump” return and rapture what remains of His church. Right before God’s wrath (the bowls). And where is that last trumpet? It is in Rev. 11. And what happens just before that? The angel stands with one foot on the sea and one foot on the land and declares that the mystery of God is finished at the ending of the sixth trumpet. (Rev. 10). What is the mystery of God? It is several things. The gospel message and the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church, the mystery of God, is finished at the seventh and last trumpet. Why do we ignore something that is virtually a neon sign pointing us to where the rapture is? So where are the raptured saints? Look at Rev. 15. It is those on the sea of glass who have gotten victory over the beast and his mark. They did not overcome by death, they have been victorious and beaten him by not taking the mark and yet living to see the Lord return. 5) Yes, the bowls fall after the 1260 days of the second half of Daniel’s 70th week. In Daniel 12 it tells us that from the abomination until the end of these things is 1290 days. There are more days for the bowl judgments after Christ’s return and the last trumpet sounds, for things to be completed.

I do not know why people listen to Pastors who NEVER take context (time frame, speaker, testament, audience or targets) into consideration. Until they do they are NEVER going to get the timing of the rapture right including this pastor.

Accept Jesus Christ and REPENT Now or possibly miss the RAPTURE and the WEDDING FEAST! Read Revelation 3:7-13, Luke 14:15-25, Isaiah 65:8-25, Luke 12:35-48, Ezekiel 33:11 and yes John 3:16-21 May the Holy Spirit Always Guide You, Open Your Eyes and WAKE YOU UP! You have now received your invitation. 💌

the easiest explanation of the pre wrath resurrection/rapture is luke 17:26-37. read your bible.

"Where does Jesus put these cosmic disturbances...is it at the beginning of the seven years?" The truth is, GOD and JOHN place the sign of total eclipses, the sun appearing black and the moon appearing red, will indeed come before the enter 70th week. They are the sign for the start of the DAY, as shown at the 6th seal in Rev. chapter 6. The OTHER sign, the sign of total darkness, will not be seen until after the days of great tribulation, and probably not until after the entire week. What does it mean, "shortened" or cut short? God will give the Man of Sin turned Antichrist Beast 42 months of authority, which will END when Jesus returns as shown in Rev. 19 to Armageddon. We can guess that if those days of great tribulation (GT) were not shortened or cut short, they will last the entire 42 months. It seems to me (John does not specify) that the days of GT Jesus spoke about will not start until some unknown time AFTER the midpoint of the week. There must be time for the False Prophet to show up, then time to create the mark and the image. So the days of GT will begin late in Rev.14 and continue on toward the end of the week. It is my guess that God will send the angels with the bowls of wrath and plagues-to cut short the days of GT-LATE in the last half of the week. Perhaps they (the days 0f GT) will end at 40 months. Perhaps they will end at 38 months. We just don't know because John does not tell us. Pre-wrath imagines it is the Day of the Lord that will cut short the days of GT. WRONG WRONG WRONG! It will be the bowls of God's wrath! The Day of the Lord begins back in Rev. Chapter 6. We are in chapter 16 where God pours out the bowls. Don't EVER imagine events in Revelation 6 happen in the timeframe of Revelation chapter 16! The timing of these two chapters is over 7 years apart! Again I write, "never the twain shall meet."

He is somewhere AFTER the midpoint of the week and he declared "God's wrath had not fallen yet." WRONG! God's wrath began with the DAY of His wrath way back in Revelation 6, at the 6th seal. Always remember, God will begin the DAy of His wrath first, then a few days later will begin the 70th week, so that every event of the Week will come with His wrath of the DAY. He has attempted to move the 6th seal out of its place between seals 5 and 7, to somewhere late in the week. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to more the 6th seal out of its place. Pre-wrath must rearrange Revelation and that is a sure sign it will be proven wrong.

"Great Tribulation (GT), suffering, persecution" as Jesus said, AFTER the abomination. We located the abomination as MARKED by the 7th trumpet. This is confirmed by those in Judea FLEEING as written in 12:6. What will CAUSE these days of GT? It will be when the Beast and FAlse Prophet begin to enforce the MARK (receive it or get beheaded) and force people to BOW to an image or get beheaded. Revelation 14 shows an angel warning people not to take the mark, so we can KNOW that at that time the mark has not yet been enforced. Therefore, the days of GT in Revelation WILL NOT BEGIN until late in chapter 14. This is confirmed by 15:1 where John saw the first martyrs begin to show up in heaven. Why then do pre-wrathers imagine days of Great Tribulation at seal 5? It is because they PULL SEAL 5 OUT OF ITS EARLY CHURCH CONTEXT. The truth is, days of GT will not begin in Revelation until chapter 14. God will use the bowls of wrath (and associated plagues) to CUT SHORT the days of GT.

The 6th trumpet which is the 2nd woe ends after the resurrection of the 2 olive trees. So I don't understand how the 7 trumpets can be contained in 42 months when the 6th trumpet alone is 42 months. 🤔 And I do not understand that the antichrist can still be present to kill the olive trees at the end of the 6th trumpet because his reign is supposed to be over at this time ... Why ? Because he begins to reign BEFORE the 6th seal at the midpoint then arrives the 5th trumpet = 5 months the 6th = 42 months, the antichrist is therefore present 47 months on earth and yet I did not count his period of reign during tribulation before the 6th seal because we do not know this duration. The word says he has power over the saints for 42 months so how can he kill them 47 months after the start of his reign if he no longer has permission to harm them? 🤔 And why is he on earth more than 42 months ?🤔 (Excuse my english im french)

This is SO SIMPLE or "plain and simple ad Van Kampen liked to put it in his book. If we just leave Revelation AS WRITTEN, at the 5th seal, the martyrs of the church age, they are told that judgment will not begin until the FINAL church age martyr is killed. The pre-tribulation rapture will END the church age, START the Day of the Lord, and cause a certain martyr to be the FINAL martyr. The rapture then must come AFTER the 5th seal. Since the 6th seal begins WRATH, the rapture must come BEFORE the the 6th seal. That means the rapture will take place in Revelation before any part of the 70th week. That is why it is PRE-trib. Then a few days later Jesus will open the 7th seal, the BOOK will be opened, to reveal the trumpets. (I believe the entire 70th week is written INSIDE the book. It is what will end the Jewish age.) The 70th week will begin then with the first trumpet judgment, and will END with the final bowl judgment.

"But immediately after the (great) tribulation of those days... WHY did he add the "great." Jesus may well have meant the ENTIRE 70th WEEK. The trumpet judgments coming in the first half are not going to be a cake walk! Just one judgment kills 1/3 of earth's population. In other words, ALL Of the week is "tribulation."

Do you walk with God? Is Jesus everything in your life? Have you forsaken this world? Would you die for Jesus? Have you turned from your unrighteousness and when you do act unrighteous do you Repent? If you answer no to any of these then the pre trib or post trib theologies are of no use to you. Jesus is worth everything

2Tim 3:12) Paul said Yea all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer Persecution Pre-Trib is a big Lie No scripture show Jesus coming in clouds at Pre-Tribulation

Chart: " | Beginning of sorrows | Great tribulation | God's Wrath or the start of the Day of the Lord | He has effectively ATTEMPTED to more the 6th seal from Revelation chapter 6 to later in the book, to somewhere in chapters 14, 15, or 16. He does not understand that this is IMPOSSLBLE. If someone could move the 6th seal to later in the book, then in Revelation 8:1, when the 7th seal is opened, the BOOK CANNOT BE OPENED for there is still one more seals preventing it from being opened. So NO TRUMPETS can sound. At the time of the 7th trumpet, when Jesus gets His planet back, HE CANNOT, because no trumpet can be sounded, because they are written INSIDE THE BOOK. In short, it is IMPOSSIBLE to more the 6th seal. Jesus will probably open the 6th seal as the church is being called up. The rapture will undoubtedly be the trigger for the start of the Day of the Lord. Always remember, rapture before wrath, and wrath before the WEEK.

John 6:39 says your wrong! Matthew 24: 29-31 says you are wrong! When is the man of lawlessness going to be revealed? In the tribulation period. Who will know him? Those who have the word of God. Jesus comes in the last day. Do not be deceived! 😱

"The sun will be darkened...he is actually quoting Joel 2:31..." WRONG WRONG WRONG! The truth is, NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. It is IMPOSSIBLE to morph time and cause a point in time AFTER the tribulation of those days, to meet in time a point BEFORE the tribulation of those days. These verses ALIGN in time: Joel 2:31 shall be , and , before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. Rev. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; andas sackcloth of hair, and Note carefully that here both the sun and moon MUST BE VISIBLE. These verses also go together: Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: , and the stars shall withdraw their shining: Joel 3:15 and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16 The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; Matthew 24 "sun be darkened..." The GREEK for darkened is "skotizō" Strong: "of heavenly bodies as deprived of light" Here the sun is INVISIBLE. The moon is INVISIBLE. The stars are INVISIBLE! This is speaking of TOTAL DARKNESS. This cannot possibly be the same sign as total eclipses of first the sun, then the moon, where they MUST be visible. These are TWO VERY DIFFERENT SIGNS for TWO VERY DIFFERENT PURPOSES and will be separated in time by over seven years. The eclipses sign is for the start of the Day of the Lord, which will start BEFORE the 70th week. The total darkness sign is for HIs coming to Armageddon, and will come AFTER the 70th week.

"Where does Jesus put these cosmic disturbances..." Total eclipses, as in the sign of the Day of the Lord, are not a cosmic disturbance. Total darkness, on the other hand, the sign for His coming to Armageddon, will be a cosmic disturbance. It will probably be seen about the END of the 70th week, so a while before His coming to Armageddon.