There seems to be some confusion about what I meant by wanting LPL to have a win so let me give a bit more context. In a collaboration it's best if both parties come out with some kind of win. If only one party benefits that's pretty lame for the other person & their audience. Since I had two locks I felt I could send the first with the known defects which would likely lead to it's defeat (and thus guarantee a win with the interesting explanation for LPL) and then second lock I hoped he wouldn't be able to pick.

"If I just made locks that he couldnt pick, thats not interesting" I dont think you know his audience at all. If you made a lock that LPL couldnt pick the entire internet would explode

Great reaction video. I never noted in my video how impressed I was by the originality of the designs. I have people show me “new” lock designs quite often, and they are usually just variations of decades old patents. In fact, it’s pretty common for me to find my own “original” ideas covered by patents filed before I was born. Getting to play with two completely new designs at once was fun. Once again, nice job on these!

"I _will_ give him a new lock- I promise- within two years; so I have plenty of time." Well, it's 2023. Where's the lock?

I would have loved a back and forth competition where you send him the incremented fixed lock, he cracks it and you watch the video to figure out a workaround. Could be a whole series!

If LPL gives a "quite good" to a lock, this means these could probably be nuclear launch keylocks

Your locks each survived longer than 30 seconds in LPL's hands. That is an incredible achievement

Truth be told, the fact that the LPL kept complimenting your work and design, while still showing it's vulnerabilities is a testament to the quality of the locks you made. Keep up the good work!

I feel for you: I've had my own products picked apart in a public forum (software, in my case) where the presenter had contacted me before doing it and it was hard to sit through, so I can well imagine how painful this was, but fundamentally what you achieved was about as much positivity as anyone has ever got from the LPL. Minor and easily fixed flaws. Great locks.

I mean, a 10-minute LPL video is a ringing endorsement for any lock! Well done!

For what it's worth, I'd definitely be interested in this being a semi-ongoing series, and seeing you fix the exploits he mentioned and send him a new version, so he can find new exploits.

Honestly it seems like your inexperience with locks beyond the basics of how they work is something that helped you tremendously in creating such a strong design. With the second one(adding the backplate as well) the unorthodox design would have left almost anyone who hasn't seen the internals at a complete dead end

As a carpenter who has alot of experience installing doors, most doors don't have a square edge on the latch side. They have a obtuse angle on the doorstop side (in this case "interior") and an acute angle on the opposite side (exterior). Easy fix, or you nailed it... make the door open in sorts out access to the deadbolt and the hinges. Great job on the locks, wow. It was very entertaining watching all three of these videos. Hats off to you and the lockpickinglawyer! I hope to see some more. Thanks mister

LPL didn't beat you down, he endorsed you.

if you put " quite good - LPL " on the packaging, everything will be sold out as soon as it is on market..

If you have seen the LPL's "keynote" Where the lawyer addresses how horrible the lock industry has become and asks them to start designing outside of the Box This young man has been able to do what the lock industry has not which is come up with a reliable design that is that is satisfactory for the customers needs. Great job. Can't wait to watch you improve.

Imagine if LPL kept a few defeat method ideas to himself, not telling anyone, so he can use them for the next lock!

"the issues I found could be fixed with very little effort, which would result in formidable lock designs" That's one hell of a compliment from LPL

Engineer: I'm gonna improve this Engineer: completely redesigns the entire thing Engineer: Well it kinda just happened Every engineer ever

To have the balls to send your original design for "field testing" to LPL, no less, is something I respect enormously. Not many people or businesses are willing to do that. People forget (or don't know) that good product design is an iterative process, especially when you're trying something innovative: You create an operational iteration, do stress tests on it, then improve it using the feedback gathered. Rinse and repeat. Keep keeping up, mate! This has huge engineering (and content creation) potential.

Attacks will always be one step ahead of defense. Once the lock becomes to difficult to get through, the door itself becomes the primary weakness.

"looks like we have 15 people in here" Half a million views later

I've been watching LPL for a while and have never heard him use the phrase "Formidable lock". Well done Shane. Well done.

It’s been 2 years ☹️

Your 2 years is up, where is the lock

I wouldn't call it a beatdown at all. LPL actually gave props to the lock, and suggestions to improve. Lockpicking is ALL about non-destructive entry.

"I wanted him to have a win" - Masterlock - Yale - All other locks that he picked.

It was briefly mentioned as a tangent, but having 1 key that locks something and another key that unlocks it is essentially the basis of a public-private key system (although to be fair, this is mostly done digitally rather than with real keys). This has a number of uses, but the two basic ideas are that, firstly, you can make the locking key public. This then allows anyone to secure something that only you can access. Without 2 keys, this could be problematic; you have to trust someone with a key that can unlock your own lock, and there's a chance the key could be intercepted while giving it to the other person even if they are trustworthy, or stolen from them. Secondly, you can make only the unlocking key public. This way, you can secure something with the private locking key (and then probably locking it with the recipient's lock and public locking key), and have it sent to the recipient which could take it via any number of untrustworthy middlemen, but when they recieve it they will have proof that it must have been you who sent it, because it can only be unlocked by your public key (and hence must have been locked by your private key).

2 years, huh? ;)

In my watching history, I don’t think any lock outside of an impossible (so far without practicing with tools that haven’t been invented yet) one or two from the same maker has ever received praise to the level of your designs. “Formidable” is _not_ a word he throws around, and that’s with minor adjustments. We’re much more used to hearing “not really a challenge,” or “fatal design flaw.”

Dude, you got more positive feedback from LPL than I've seen him give to just about any other lock.

Sooo, I just rewatched this because I find the project to be quite interesting. If I'm not mistaken you said that you promised him another lock within 2 years. Will we get to see it soon :D?

We’re 2 years later. Where new lock?

It's INSANE you even dare to engineer a lock with no prior knowledge. Hats off to you.

The goal isn't to keep the Lock Picking Lawyer out, it's to keep him busy

It's funny how the slightest oversight such as accidentally building the doors inside out could render the main product completely useless. Really makes you appreciate the ingenuity and experience involve in the design of everyday objects.

12:00 I know this vid is a year and a half old, but my experience with building doors compels me to chime in. Most doors I work with have a bevel. That is where the edge of the door that sits against the jambs has a slight angle to it. This allows the gap to be much smaller while still allowing the door to swing freely. This is the case for most of the interior and exterior doors I've worked on.

LPL: "As far as I know, these designs are original." "But what do you know about locks?" LPL: "Everything."

You can tell the LPL is getting excited with the anticipation of picking a lock style nobody else has ever picked before...

I know us locksporters would like to buy them if they could be made for a reasonable(or possibly unreasonable) price. Great work by both of you! There are locks that have separate keys for lock and unlock by the way.

In a way, the concerns around how much damage there is sort of has to be part of lock picking as a "game" or activity. If you don't care about damage, you can just drill or hack or grind most locks.

Your locks did better than locks from a 100 year old _lock_ company.

Also, it was the first 10+ minute video on LPL’s channel in well over a year

The doorbell was definitely the best part, hilarious! Especially how his dog barks everytime he rings it, great videos from both of you, keep up the great work!

where is Lock V3..... Its been 2 years... We waited...

17:00 A clarification about why damage is considered in lockpicking - there are 2 basic classifications for entry methods, overt entry (obvious signs of a break in) and covert entry (preventing the victim from realising someone broke in). Lockpicking falls into covert entry, mainly because it's a method to make it seem like there was no attempt/damage to the door/entry, as if someone wanted to gain entry without worrying about preventing the victims from noticing the damage, they'll just go straight to faster and more effective methods such as breaking a window, drilling out the lock, etc. Therefore, if someone were to resort to the complexities and trouble of picking a lock, they'll probably want to not leave a mark, and thus preventing obvious damage to a door would be a fairly important point.

bruh i really hope you do a v3 lock for LPL. This was truly one of the most exciting collabs for me. I seen your video where you made the locks before LPL had actually attempted them and i was so excited for it. LPL is truly is wizard when it comes to opening locks, and you truly are an innovator of our generation. i am very excited and hopeful there will be another collab, and believe me, im rooting for the defeat of LPL lol. Such a fun project and im really glad this ended up happening. so very cool! ill bet your v3 lock wins, now that you know the tactics he used to get through, ill bet you can make one in which he will have to use different techniques in order to get them open. again i just want to express how totally cool this was, you and LPL make outstanding content, and i really didnt think he was going to be able to beat the locks. i was worried he wouldnt even post a video because he would have bene defeated and shamed, but LPL never disappoints. its actually unbelievable how well he can pick locks. LPL is like a member of oceans 11.

Honestly I would love to see a continuation of this collaboration. That way LPL would finally have a lock he could say is unpickable. And you could go in together to sell it as merch or go into full time business with it.

"I also wasn't working on it for 6 months, it was like the last 3 or 4 weeks" All of us who waited 6 months for the video: Oh.......

I wish people could accept the duality of everyone winning from this collab.

2 years later, no new lock

its 2024. Where is the new lock?

"I wanted him to have a win". But what he really needs is a loss

I think the "designed a lock without looking at other locks" aspect of this is really important. We need more people coming up with designs in this fashion. It's far and away the best way to get something truly new.

This back and forth is really wonderful. Highlights the best parts of working with others. Excited to see v3 whenever you get to it, cheers.

It has already been 2 years now, LPL must be waiting for that lock StuffMadeHere promised in 2 years...

I want to see this continued! LPL has proven that innovation in lock technology is stagnant, and you've created something unique and effective. You two working in tandem to make a truly innovative lock that's resistant to attack would be a real treat

I wanted him to say " a little click out of three." You get it dude.

So it's been about 2 years and that is the timeframe you said for the next version so are you working on a new one?

The bigger question to me, is could he have worked out any of this if it was mounted in the door without cad drawings in advance. I would say no way.

I dunno about you but for me it never crossed my mind that this was a competition. Not sure what you two talked about either but again I personally thought this was a cool collab between two people who wanted to make an unpickable lock! Keep up the great work!

The damage issue may also be for legitimate locksmiths that don't want to damage a customer's door.

This series is by far my favorite collaboration. As a fan of both channels the time and care taken to make this interesting has made this one of the only things I've ever watched on youtube more than once. LPL is amazing to watch and your attention to detail is unmatched but I also take enjoyment seeing your perfectionism haunt you. Truthfully your engineering is leagues above my understanding and I'm glad you could man up and take an "undeserved" loss. Both of you will will remain some of my favorite videos to watch. Thank you.

I love this. I enjoy how he talked you up and how nuts you were for doing it one way or another. I want to see more of this.

I feel like if you make a lock he can’t actually pick It would probably be his favorite lock ever

You missed a perfect chance to call this channel “stuff made there”

14:30 "Within 2 years" passed a couple moths ago. ^_^

I loved watching this journey. It would be SO COOL to see this being a running thing on your channel, I can't wait to see more videos . You are a brilliant designer.

Another reason why picking locks without leaving damage is so important, especially if you can do it without damaging the actual lock, is because most of the time lockpickers are doing it honestly for people who just lost their keys. So the less damage you can do all around, the better!

Time for a third channel, "Locks Made Here"

It's crazy that he mentions getting the motors for basketball hoop v4 and one year in the future finally getting to see that come to fruition. Really puts in perspective how long these projects can take.

I have a tremendous amount of respect for you with this collaboration! Not only because you offered this collaboration in the first place, but because of the manner you approached it and over all "Sportsmanship" I guess? I just can't get over you saying "This is my pride and joy, I've poured my heart and soul into it. Now defeat it." And when he shows you the flaws, taking it in stride and making it better. Takes an amazing person to do that, and I commend you!

"I still don't have any intention on selling this. 10 years in the future, I arrive home from work, pull out my keys, insert them into my STUFF brand unpickable lock, and think back upon these heady days.

I am thoroughly impressed by the collaboration with this project. It's way more than a guest experience. It was a real back and forth that was very entertaining to watch. I love collaboration of this calibur and hope to see more!

Been a while since this all went down, hoping the lock is pretty close to the front of your queue now. Awesome collaboration, loved the videos from both of you!

4 days ago was 2 years, where’s the new lock??

Lock: survives more than 1 minute on LPL hands Everyone: well sell me ur intire stock

"it would be lame if he couldn't pick the lock". haha no, that would be absolutely insane

Love both your channels a lot; the collaboration is delightful and I'd love to see more like it.

The job of a lock maker isn't to make an unpickable lock because there's always going to be a way in - it's to make picking the lock harder than simply destroying the door. If they're willing to break the door, the lock becomes irrelevant anyway.

Respectfully, LPL has picked locks that have hundreds of years of innovation behind their pick-resistant nature. THere's just no way you could have got it on the first try

I know you know this -- but "no damage" is basically a rule so that there is differentiation between picking a lock and just taking a jack hammer to it. Basically, by continuing to bring it up, he's saying "look, I'm not cheating _in any way_, this is actual picking". Pretty sure that if someone wanted in, they could take a sledgehammer to the lock body and it would give and expose the internals enough to open the door. Picking is an art, not a brute-force method.

2 years now.. where's the follow up?

Your sportsmanship is A+ I love the way you two respect each other. And for that I am subscribing and liking the vid. And this comment. Keep up the good work!

I would argue a lock that LPL CAN’T pick is infinitely more interesting than one he can pick.

Next time you should make a box or something containing a bottle of scotch.

So it's been 2 years. Any chance we could get an updated design? Pretty please?

Man, you’re a good sport. This is such a fun thing. You guys are cool. Keep doing what you do.

I disagree, giving him a win would be less interesting. Imagine a lock picking lawyer video where he for once couldn't pick it.

Next LPL episode: "Now, Shane seems to have missed an old exploit where you hit the door with a sledge hammer right.... Here. And there we go. Better luck next time to Shane from stuff made here"

Wow that was an epic beat down. I really thought your locks were unbeatable, but he cut through them like a knife through butter. Props to both of you.

Clock’s ticking! There’s only about 6 months left of those 2 years you announced for the famous Lock V3 we’re all waiting for! A nice little collaboration, optionally going back and forth between the two of you to improve on the design, sounds so cool!

I think at this point the “rules of engagement” are no longer in effect, you’ve had your bout and it was a fair fight, but now it can just be collaborative design, having him as a tester for any tweaks you have, until you have a design you are satisfied with. It’s no longer unfair, since the challenge is already over and LPL seems genuinely interested in improving these designs.

You made some of the best locks LPL has ever picked. For a first time making door locks and not knowing every vulnerability is insane you’re hell of an engineer big props to you!

You got a "good" rating from LPL. That's better than most major manufacturers get. I have to say, massive congratulations ! Thank you for making the video :)

New lock for him? It’s been 2 years :)

the reason LPL was focused on the damage is the idea that someone whose lock is picked leaving no trace may take longer to learn that their security has been defeated. Consider the hypothetical of a thief trying to enter a safe, the thief is more likely to get away if the owner of the safe does not learn that they have been robbed until hours or even days later, whereas if the very next time the safe owner looks at the safe they see the lock has been smashed, they will immediately be on alert.

Thanks to everyone who helps to make these projects possible by supporting me on patreon. One way that I say thanks is by doing patron only livestreams like this one. If you're interested in supporting the channel, check out patreon.com/stuffmadehere P.S. Sorry for talking over LPL sometimes! Still learning to livestream properly >_

you promised a new lock within 2 years! where is it??

I know this is an old video but it annoys me how hard you are on yourself you are a genius absolute genius there's no way you can figure out every problem on everything that you ever do in your life thank you for the content we all love you