How America RUINED the world's screws! (Robertson vs. Phillips)

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Stumpy Nubs

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2 ай бұрын

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@StumpyNubs
@StumpyNubs 2 ай бұрын
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@billshorter666
@billshorter666 2 ай бұрын
Have you ever used a Prince Reed screwdriver?
@nickdisney3D
@nickdisney3D 2 ай бұрын
you do good work in these videos. subscribed. thanks for not being AI.
@scottmorris4914
@scottmorris4914 2 ай бұрын
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@jfawnst
@jfawnst 2 ай бұрын
P
@larryh.4629
@larryh.4629 2 ай бұрын
You do a good job . I too hate the Phillips head but what were my choices as an American a flat head. Uhhh. Then I started buying kits that included square head Robertson about time something that works. Canada ya got it right aye.
@n4spd396
@n4spd396 2 ай бұрын
I know a carpenter who only uses torx. They are more expensive but the work goes so much faster and never a scratch from misshaps. I wish philips never existed.
@AndrewDeLong
@AndrewDeLong 2 ай бұрын
In the building of ANY furniture that requires screws, I exclusively use torx head screws. They just work better and faster. Once or twice, I've used Robertson heads. I won't lie, if they were more readily available in my area, I'd probably switch to them.
@taxicamel
@taxicamel 2 ай бұрын
Far cheaper to use Robertson with principally the same result. There might be a completely different reason for someone to use a torx. .
@Rancid-Jane
@Rancid-Jane 2 ай бұрын
I find Torx driver bits break easily. They can't take the torque I guess.
@Troy-McLore
@Troy-McLore 2 ай бұрын
@@Rancid-Jane thats the point, the tool breaks instead of the fixing
@Eric-zs6rd
@Eric-zs6rd 2 ай бұрын
@@Rancid-Jane If the bit breaks you can just toss it and grab another from the 10 pack you bought for 5 dollars. If the fastener strips you're likely spending 30 minutes trying to find vise grips or a drill and ez out to get it out
@PaulRSmileyOyen
@PaulRSmileyOyen 2 ай бұрын
We ought to start a rumor that the Torx drive was invented by Peter Tork, who simply wanted users to stop monkeying around.
@robertpearson8798
@robertpearson8798 2 ай бұрын
Hey, I’m a believer.
@cottrelr
@cottrelr 2 ай бұрын
Well, Mike Nesmith's mother did invent liquid paper. So it's not that far fetched.
@pariahzero
@pariahzero 2 ай бұрын
I'm in the "star drive" for the space age camp. (Ie. Torx by another name)
@patricknorton5788
@patricknorton5788 2 ай бұрын
​@pariahzero It's difficult to find dilithium crystals to power the special driver though...
@RichardTaylor-sq8xg
@RichardTaylor-sq8xg 2 ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@patlaird4188
@patlaird4188 Ай бұрын
There's a special place in hell for an engineer who calls out for a slotted screw
@reversalmushroom
@reversalmushroom Ай бұрын
What's wrong with those?
@erebus1964
@erebus1964 Ай бұрын
@@reversalmushroom They're fine if you have to restore something old in its contemporary original condition. Apart from that they're outdated because they're unsafe! The video tells it quite early at 1:18.
@johngillon6969
@johngillon6969 Ай бұрын
no simplicity is the soul of genius. in the good old days we only needed slotted screw drivers. now you have dozens of screw drivers to add to all clutter. most modern advances in technology cause mote problems than they solve!
@user-sw2nh4ll7h
@user-sw2nh4ll7h Ай бұрын
They are absolute garbage. They don't even self-center the screwdriver in the slot, making them basically impossible to use with power tools. I got several boxes of slotted screws (500 screws in each box) that I inherited that are collecting dust, I just can't use them, it's so much pain in the ass. I'm gonna "gift" them to someone else on the first opportunity.
@D3nn1s
@D3nn1s Ай бұрын
​@@johngillon6969 there are in fact at least 7 different slot sizes, combine that with at least 2 different type of slots. Also if you ever had to put more than 2 screws into anything youd know how much nicer torx is compared to slot or philips.
@Xgamer121X
@Xgamer121X Ай бұрын
All the way back in 2011, when I was just 18 years old, I got my first set of subwoofers for my first car. I made the most common rookie mistake when mounting the subwoofers into the enclosure. When I went to mount the subwoofer into the subwoofer box, the phillips screwdriver slipped off of the screw and punched a hole into my brand new subwoofer. I was very upset. My dad told me about the square head screws. He explained how it was one of his favorites because it wouldn't strip out when building decks. I ended up trying the square head screws on a new set of subwoofers. I was amazed. The fact that I could literally let go of the square head screwdriver and it just stay completely inside the face of the screw without falling off. I will never go back. Square heads (Robinson) are the best!
@swamprat69er
@swamprat69er Ай бұрын
And made and invented in Canada.
@reversalmushroom
@reversalmushroom Ай бұрын
Weird how it says there's a reply here and yet won't show it. Someone musta been shadowbanned.
@duxxxhm
@duxxxhm Ай бұрын
All the way back in 2011? Man that was last year!
@giorgos4059
@giorgos4059 Ай бұрын
Λυπάμαι πραγματικά για το ατύχημά σου. Σίγουρα όποιοι χρησιμοποιούν βίδες ph έχουν παραπάνω από μία άτυχη στιγμή. Θα έπρεπε να έβαζαν φυλακή όσους τις χρησιμοποιούν εν έτη 2024... Αλλά θα σου έλεγα ότι εάν το μεγάφωνο ήταν Ιαπωνικής προέλευσης ή σχεδίασης και χρησιμοποιούσες τις βίδες της συσκευασίας τους, μάλλον έπρεπε να δουλέψεις με κατσαβίδι "JIS".
@theTavis01
@theTavis01 Ай бұрын
@@reversalmushroom it's been a plague on youtube for years now, their autocensor bot is out of control
@haroldtwilson
@haroldtwilson 2 ай бұрын
I race wooden outboard boats for 30 years in Canada and the USA. At one race in Canada, an American pal flipped and damaged his boat. The racing family got his boat on shore and assessed the damage, quickly determining repairs could be made in time for the next day's program. Out of nowhete came pieces of plywood, angle brackets and, of course, "red Robbie" screws. My pal was busy cutting wood to shape, happily accepting Canadian competitors' help (borders don't matter in the racing family) UNTIL the moment he was provided with a screwdriver and handful of screws. "What in *!*^? are these?", he asked. We assured him they'd do the job and as there were no Phillips or Slots to be had, he reluctantly started to use them. He went from grumbling to glee in the course of a half hour. Boat repaired, he announced he'd hit the local hardware for "some paint and stuff". The local hardware was the Canadian Tire store where he bought a can of aerosol paint... and boxes and boxes of Robertson screws and a handful of yellow, green, red and black Robertson drivers. As far as I know, that weekend in Canada changed his screw selection preferences for the rest of his career.
@Skobeloff...
@Skobeloff... 2 ай бұрын
and so are the days of our lives
@hairpig
@hairpig 2 ай бұрын
Many of us Americans understand that Robertsons are superior, or at least that Phillips screws are the absolute worst kind of screw ever invented. But Robertsons can't become my screw of choice when none of the stores here have any of them for sale. For me I've just converted to torx, since I can get those and like Robertsons they also don't cam out.
@keithmills778
@keithmills778 2 ай бұрын
@@hairpig I'm about a week away from retirement. Maybe I'll supplement my pension by smuggling Robertson drivers, screws and bolts into the US.
@OctarineCode
@OctarineCode 2 ай бұрын
Well, screw you ​@@hairpig
@blechtic
@blechtic 2 ай бұрын
I have no experience with "Fitzbobs" whatsoever, but I can imagine the next guy cursing him to high hell for using them, because unless they are popular there by then, they'll probably have no equipment to deal with those screws.
@paulgrimmer1233
@paulgrimmer1233 2 ай бұрын
Torx are definitely nice, but as a Canadian I can say confidently that if you're using Phillips and you have Robertson as an option, you're certifiably insane!
@rioriggs3568
@rioriggs3568 Ай бұрын
100% long live the Robertson!
@mikejacobs8718
@mikejacobs8718 Ай бұрын
Philips are only really widely used in drywalling.
@64MDW
@64MDW Ай бұрын
I can say confidently that if you're Canadian, you are certifiably insane. How's that Trudeau thing going for ya?
@wannabecarguy
@wannabecarguy Ай бұрын
There is only 2 things left in the world that haven't been ruined by Canadians.
@troubledseed
@troubledseed Ай бұрын
@@wannabecarguy What? wtf you talking about.
@davehopley2228
@davehopley2228 Ай бұрын
In Canada, the first thing you do when you by an American product that comes with Phillips screws ...is throw the screws away and sub Robertons. Saves a world of frustration.
@harpintn
@harpintn 11 күн бұрын
In the us you throw away the Robertons screws if you ever have to remove them.
@qoph1988
@qoph1988 10 күн бұрын
Americans do this too. Iykyk
@hazynpeterson4083
@hazynpeterson4083 9 күн бұрын
correct
@cancelhandles
@cancelhandles 9 күн бұрын
Maybe you do. We don't​@@harpintn
@SidiousPalp
@SidiousPalp 5 күн бұрын
​@harpintn Lol self-defeating behaviour 😂😂
@davidiverson
@davidiverson Ай бұрын
Using a philips head on an impact driver I've had a cam-out slip that punched a deep hole into my nearby thumbnail. Hurt like hell and took months to heal. Then there's slotted - nobody likes a slotted/flathead screw EXCEPT on carburetor adjustments. It's super handy to see at a glance how far you've turned the screw when fine tuning a throttle or idle mix screw.
@ethanwasme4307
@ethanwasme4307 23 күн бұрын
true!
@rexlion4510
@rexlion4510 23 күн бұрын
Yeah, but nowadays most folks would say, "what's a carburetor?" 😂 We are the dinosaurs of this era.
@sergeantbigmac
@sergeantbigmac 17 күн бұрын
Also firearms, flathead screws look much nicer on a gunstock than anything else IMO.
@loendsti
@loendsti 17 күн бұрын
@@rexlion4510 carburetor are still used in motorcycles here in India, oh, they do meet emissions standards, costs alot lower than over rated fuel injection systems and very fuel efficient too.
@baseddoggie
@baseddoggie 13 күн бұрын
@@loendsti just about every pit bike or small ATV use them too
@ravenovatechnologies6554
@ravenovatechnologies6554 2 ай бұрын
The intentional cam out of Phillips haunts my dreams like an evil villain never could. Anything is better than Phillips. Except slotted.
@Volvith
@Volvith 2 ай бұрын
Slot/flathead is better than philips. Philips will be dead one day, needing specialized custom-made tools for old stuff to take apart. You know what will never be dead? _A thin bar._ Flathead has historical compatibility. Philips is just bad.
@AlanTheBeast100
@AlanTheBeast100 2 ай бұрын
Correction: the "accidental" cam out. Retroactively claimed to be a "feature".
@AlanTheBeast100
@AlanTheBeast100 2 ай бұрын
@@Volvith Flathead (slot) is an early evolutionary step that is deservedly near extinct.
@patricknorton5788
@patricknorton5788 2 ай бұрын
Hah! Well said.
@espressomatic
@espressomatic 2 ай бұрын
@@Volvith No one makes slotted screws in the same volume as Philips nor Square (or even Torx) today. So no, slotted isn't going to suddenly come back.
@mikefennema5561
@mikefennema5561 2 ай бұрын
Canadian here. I love Robertson screws. You can place a screw on the screwdriver and it will stay in place no mater what position. Where ultimate torque is required, I must admit Torx has the advantage.
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 2 ай бұрын
you can snap off the head on a robertson screw so i don't think you need more torque handling.
@tomroome4118
@tomroome4118 2 ай бұрын
@@ronblack7870 never happened to me once in over 55 years of using them. Also, after a Philips head strips out, try to remove it!
@WmRMeyers
@WmRMeyers 2 ай бұрын
I'm a American and still like the Robertson or Square Head screws. Though Reed and Prince isn't all that bad.
@John_Redcorn_
@John_Redcorn_ 2 ай бұрын
@@ronblack7870you do when dealing with small screws but still need higher holding power of said screw. Torx shines with tiny screws (and yes, better than robertson or allen)
@sivansharma5027
@sivansharma5027 2 ай бұрын
​@@ronblack7870 Yeah exactly. Torx is just the name; it does not mean it's the best for torque. I mean think about it, technically the more points something has, the closer it is to a circle. And hint, a circle is the worst geometry for a screw head haha
@scruffy3121
@scruffy3121 Ай бұрын
As a Aircraft engine mechanic, to be clear we don't use torx at work. But I know the more contact points the better. I exclusively use torx at home and in projects that allow it. Edit: I found a couple of other departments that do in fact use torx also on engines.
@soopersooper3291
@soopersooper3291 Ай бұрын
F-22 uses torx or improved profile or something. I have the fasteners and the NSN is for an F-22.
@GeldUndKokaine-kc1hp
@GeldUndKokaine-kc1hp 29 күн бұрын
For Boeing we use them pretty commonly in the wings
@TheMightyYak
@TheMightyYak 26 күн бұрын
@@GeldUndKokaine-kc1hp I though Boeing just used whatever they found on the floor...
@andrewdking
@andrewdking 24 күн бұрын
Torx recess fasteners have been used in the UK in aerospace for a few decades now.
@soopersooper3291
@soopersooper3291 24 күн бұрын
@@andrewdking that’s cool, I have seen them before on other titanium aircraft fasteners too, but it’s somewhat unusual from my limited perspective.
@Velshard
@Velshard Ай бұрын
Torx heads are love, Torx heads are life.
@wesdoobner7521
@wesdoobner7521 11 күн бұрын
Torx is ok, but for bigger bolts (like intake manifold bolts) I like high grade allen head bolts (same as robertson basically but a hex shape).
@Velshard
@Velshard 11 күн бұрын
@@wesdoobner7521 my problem with Allen heads comes down to the miniscule differences in dimensions between Metric and Imperial Allen heads. When some prior idiot uses the wrong size bit/key/socket, you can look forward to an hours long exercise in Frustration as a result.
@smalltime0
@smalltime0 6 күн бұрын
@@Velshard Don't know about where you're from, but you can get allen key sets that are imperial and metric. Has all the common sizes, and its only 31 pieces total. /s Seriously I never understood /why/ there are two size sets. I'm Australian, so we use both for whatever reason, but having metric sizes for the sake of simpler size names in metric makes no sense.
@collarandhames
@collarandhames 2 ай бұрын
Weighing in from Canada. As a licensed carpenter, I can say that for the most part, we only use robertson screws. If hardware comes with phillips, we often toss them and swap out the safer screw. They are so much better and safer and even given the upgrade cost on installing random things, it's a time saver.
@Thrunabulax10
@Thrunabulax10 2 ай бұрын
i switched to torx screws a long time ago. the square drive ones still are prone to stripping out
@A_Person_You_Dont_Know
@A_Person_You_Dont_Know 2 ай бұрын
@@Thrunabulax10 Haha and torx don't? Maybe if there werent 20 sizes of torx and we didnt already have robertson but sadly nope.
@svn5994
@svn5994 2 ай бұрын
@@Thrunabulax10 Torx is significantly more prone to stripping.
@yunggolem4687
@yunggolem4687 2 ай бұрын
@@svn5994 I've driven thousands of unpilot holed 3.5in Torx, including building a 400sqft deck... never seen one strip. Ever. And that was while using an M18 impact on the most aggressive setting which commonly strips or snaps the heads off phillips drywall screws. I have seen 300 series stainless Robbies strip out and I have seen old Robbies driven by someone else which were on the verge of stripping after decades of corrosion, but a few taps with a hammer on the driver seated it deep enough to turn it out. Torque ratings on Torx are about 150% of Robbies or Phillips across the board, so you're either using some incredibly inferior version of Torx/Star, somehow screwing up driving them, or making stuff up. Robbies also have a penchant for sticking on the bit after getting the impact treatment, much more so than Torx or Philips. This can be a feature when using non-ferrous screws to keep them on your bit as you start the drive, but in most applications it's kind of annoying as the Robbie will sometimes steal your bit if your bit holder is getting loose.
@BritishBeachcomber
@BritishBeachcomber 2 ай бұрын
​@@A_Person_You_Dont_KnowTorx is best because only the right size will fit.
@ShiningDarknes
@ShiningDarknes 2 ай бұрын
"Brought closer to imperfection" as a person working in a shop that 90% of the time uses square drives, yeah that is an accurate way to describe the philips drive.
@BS-vx8dg
@BS-vx8dg 27 күн бұрын
I don't believe I've ever come across your channel before, but your dry humor is definitely going to bring me back.
@bradbyers7505
@bradbyers7505 Ай бұрын
I’m a woodturner (hobbyist) and was introduced to the Robertson screw about 35 years ago. I don’t use many, but I really like them for mounting wood to faceplates, etc. Of course I use a power screw driver with a clutch feature so I could probably get by with other configurations. God bless those who do flat work and drive screws by the thousands. Thanks for sharing this information with all of us. This one’s a keeper.
@Bodi2000
@Bodi2000 2 ай бұрын
I worked for a Canadian company installing their large machinery all over the world, crated up with stout lumber and a plywood skin. Using all Robertson screws. Except for one panel, using Phillips. Under that was a toolbox including Robertson screwdrivers and power driver tips.
@linuxguy1199
@linuxguy1199 2 ай бұрын
More companies ought to give you the tools to work on your stuff! *said while staring angrily at a box of proprietary tools that I've had to make*
@Spondre
@Spondre 2 ай бұрын
Many of the companies I work at have been the same. Then there was the time the new guy put the toolbox in place and no one had told him about the Phillips screws....
@n3m37h
@n3m37h 2 ай бұрын
Correction, that so called phillips is just a improperly made Robertson, you just need to find the right size robbie for the job, and maybe a hammer to help correct the deformation
@linuxguy1199
@linuxguy1199 2 ай бұрын
@@n3m37h Works really good on stainless fasteners!
@theflyingscotsman9902
@theflyingscotsman9902 2 ай бұрын
Robertson is 10 times the better socket design for turn fasteners . Phillips is only as good as the very first cut into the screw head , it tapers down to a point to where it can strip easier and easier after use . Face it , some US screw maker won't accept the fact that Robertson is even better than torx , Phillips and possibly a slot screw design .
@RobertFord-hx5gt
@RobertFord-hx5gt 2 ай бұрын
One area in America, where the Robinson screw has taken over is the decking industry. If you’re trying to drive a 3 inch screw into pressure-treated lumber it’s the only screw head design, strong enough to use with an impact driver. I wish we had these in everything.
@kurtrogers3928
@kurtrogers3928 2 ай бұрын
Cargo trailers in America are screwed together with Robertson screws..
@phearns2147
@phearns2147 Ай бұрын
Travel trailers use a combination, square works best but a large Philips will do too.
@chuckschillingvideos
@chuckschillingvideos Ай бұрын
Torx beats them both.
@42Lailoken
@42Lailoken Ай бұрын
@@chuckschillingvideos I like Torx, but in my experience it's harder (ie slower) to fit into the screw vs Robinson. Also I think Robinson are cheaper
@Viennery
@Viennery Ай бұрын
Canadian screws better for lumber? There's gotta be a Lumberjack joke in there somewhere...
@ArmouredVikrim
@ArmouredVikrim Ай бұрын
I remember when I first became an electrician and used a Robertson for the first time I thought "WTF? This is so much better than a Phillips! Why don't we use these more often!?"
@PatrickBaptist
@PatrickBaptist Ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. First time I really had an encounter with these was when I was scrapping out a camper it had those square heads, I got so mad because I had to buy some bits because I couldn't find the ones I had that I'd never used lol, I noticed when removing them how I didn't wear out the first bit I started with and the screws were reusable. Thanks for validating what I thought, that they were better to use. I do like toque heads best though and use them most of the time these days. Sir I appreciate your videos, you are my fav wood working channel, I do a little wood working but I'm mostly a mechanic (diesel flavor).
@willdoe7681
@willdoe7681 2 ай бұрын
I have been a finish carpenter and cabinetmaker for over 50 years and the first thing we did on a job was throw all the philips screws in the garbage and replace them with Robertson. This is what kept us in business.
@robotgrass
@robotgrass 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely true
@malepartd
@malepartd 2 ай бұрын
I do the same with every wall anchor kit coming with any purchased object: throw away the anchors and Phillips screws, and use my own Robertson screws.
@eekee6034
@eekee6034 2 ай бұрын
I should start doing this, but with Allen (hex) screws rather than Robertson. I'm British, and 'Allen keys' are more common than anything else except Phillips.
@jcalpha2717
@jcalpha2717 2 ай бұрын
You should have collected the Phillips screws and resold them in the USA for a neat little profit.
@oldmanx1234
@oldmanx1234 2 ай бұрын
@@jcalpha2717 Don't you dare!
@Player_00X
@Player_00X 2 ай бұрын
Fun fact, phillips head screws, when stripped, basically become robertson head screws. It's shockingly easy to remove them that way.
@keithmills778
@keithmills778 2 ай бұрын
I'll often use a Robertson screwdriver on un-cammed out Philips screws/bolts.
@scottshannon3654
@scottshannon3654 2 ай бұрын
I've tested this fact many times and while true, it is almost never "fun"
@Player_00X
@Player_00X 2 ай бұрын
@@scottshannon3654 But it is fun, it means every phillips screw is actually a robertson screw in disguise. Just gotta strip em first.
@davefellhoelter1343
@davefellhoelter1343 2 ай бұрын
"I had a beater" robrtson driver, I would put into my phillip, give it a Bash, and whala ready for another try. Electricians have a version of roberston with wings like a flat screw driver with a roberston diamon in the center, works very well. Do not want slips, tools un controlled, and bashing around in a hot pannel
@fredk.2001
@fredk.2001 2 ай бұрын
#3 Phillips screws also fit #2 Robertson drive tips. Edit for clarity.
@scottkirby5016
@scottkirby5016 Ай бұрын
As someone who for quite a while worked with a need to put up and take down my screw fastened work I fell in love with deck screws. Square heads to drive them in (and possibly/often strip them if we were on air powered drivers) and Phillips to back them out after we were done.
@leszekjaszczak1150
@leszekjaszczak1150 Ай бұрын
I was 45 years old, doing a deck job at my house, when I finally learned how terrible Phillips screws were. Discarded them all, replaced everything with torx and the job went a lot faster and smoother. I use Robertson too, both are great solutions.
@srobeck77
@srobeck77 4 күн бұрын
love both torx and robertson, not sure which is better because both are so good
@EricRShelton
@EricRShelton 2 ай бұрын
I'm not even gonna watch the video before commenting; based on the title alone I say HERESY!!! I'm a Phillips-loathing American and I hope our Canadian brethren can rescue us from this plight!
@mattymattffs
@mattymattffs 2 ай бұрын
Did you mean Robertson?
@skatpk9196
@skatpk9196 2 ай бұрын
Robertson all the way!
@DarkTouch
@DarkTouch 2 ай бұрын
big fan of the square. the cross sucks.
@fxm5715
@fxm5715 2 ай бұрын
Amen, brother! As a fellow American, I stand proudly by my workshop hardware bins full of Robertson screws. We Americans may have done a lot of innovative things first, but the rest of the world does a better job of learning from our mistakes and improving upon them, while we stubbornly clutch the old ways as somehow sacred.
@mrniusi11
@mrniusi11 2 ай бұрын
Torx > Roberston
@WoLpH
@WoLpH 2 ай бұрын
European here, I've got several Robertson bits here but I can't say I've ever encountered those screws. Here's my experience: most quality products around here use torx, cheaper stuff uses pozi, cheaper products that are both for European and American markets use philips. Wall boxes for outlets and electrical stuff such as fuse boxes use either flathead or a combination of flathead and pozi or flathead and torx.
@Papinak2
@Papinak2 2 ай бұрын
Same here, I've never seen Robertson head in my life. But I was surprised that there was no mention of pozidriv. That's been the only choice for woodworking screws until recently.
@abhibeckert
@abhibeckert 2 ай бұрын
This. Torx is vastly superior to Robertson. They're easier to fit to the bit due to having six correct orientations, but the real advantage is the large rounded contact patch allowing much higher torque - some torx heads are rated at 2,000 nm - the #4 Robertson head is rated for just 8 nm! It's not even close... and while you wouldn't need that much strength in a wood screw, having so much headroom translates to a driver bit that literally never wears out. I've never replaced a torx bit in my life, other than when they were lost.
@malimbar2
@malimbar2 2 ай бұрын
@@abhibeckert If torx sizing made any sense, and if they weren't specifically designed to require you to buy more tools all the time, then MAYBE. But torx are arbitrary sizes, arbitrary in number of points, and randomly have security holes in the middle that are intentionally designed to screw with you. I have never taken anything off with torx and thought "oh, this was meant to be user serviceable"
@Papinak2
@Papinak2 2 ай бұрын
@@malimbar2 Torx is not arbitrary, it's based off inbus head (metric Allen) - in fact, you can use Torx to loosen rounded inbus head (although it can damage the bit, if too much torque is applied). And how its sizing doesn't make any sense? Higher number=bigger head, it's not any worse than Philips sizing Electronics manufacturers putting safety Torx on everything is another thing, but atleast it's somewhat common compared to tri-wong and other proprietary heads
@larsord9139
@larsord9139 2 ай бұрын
@@abhibeckert I agree, but please give me a source for torx screws in small sizes (2-56, 4-40, 6-32 with several lengths for each size. Metric m2, m3, m4 would be acceptable). And small (100 or so) quantities. Here in the US it's the same problem with finding a decent source for square, Robertson or internal hex drives screws.
@sergiotisnado545
@sergiotisnado545 24 күн бұрын
Great presentation. You are gifted at explaining things with a hint of humor.
@davidcorscadden4450
@davidcorscadden4450 Ай бұрын
I am a Canadian but own a Casita trailer from Texas. I was pleasantly surprised when I got it. It was almost totally built with Robertsons! On the Casita forum, I find myself explaining just what the H screwdriver the Americans need to work on their trailer
@WhichDoctor1
@WhichDoctor1 2 ай бұрын
I live in the uk and Ive never in my life seen or heard of a square head screw. The existence of such a thing baffles yet intrigues me
@slake9727
@slake9727 2 ай бұрын
They are the best. You should get some Robertsons.
@postbusters-poundedpostfen717
@postbusters-poundedpostfen717 2 ай бұрын
I buy Robertson decking screws in tubs of 1500 and use several each season. Thank goodness for Robertson screws and lithium impact drivers.❤
@lukeorlando4814
@lukeorlando4814 2 ай бұрын
As a Canadian who moved to the U.K. I miss Robertson
@cofeebeing
@cofeebeing 2 ай бұрын
Living in Canada, its the screw of choice. Phillips have the disadvantages mentioned. Robertson by far used here.
@alaneaston3172
@alaneaston3172 2 ай бұрын
Common in pocket screws
@spencerjoplin2885
@spencerjoplin2885 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Kreg for single-handedly popularizing #2 Robertson in the States. It’s my shop standard.
@leestuurmans2837
@leestuurmans2837 2 ай бұрын
Having a shop standard is the dream! I use pockethole joinery in the cabinetry I make, and I was pretty stoked to find milescraft makes Torx t20 pockethole screws. T20 everything!
@billmorash3322
@billmorash3322 2 ай бұрын
@@leestuurmans2837 Yeah, but sometimes you need two hands to guide the Torx screw into the pocket. Not so with the Robertson.
@mrniusi11
@mrniusi11 2 ай бұрын
square suck.
@coolbugfacts1234
@coolbugfacts1234 2 ай бұрын
Shame on Kreg for making this terrible screw design more popular. Their screws strip very easily and the bit gets stuck in the screw constantly. It's the worst screw design ever made, much worse than Phillips.
@jimdoe1694
@jimdoe1694 2 ай бұрын
@@coolbugfacts1234
@billyloper4072
@billyloper4072 Ай бұрын
This feels like classic Stumpy content and I love it.
@ValdVincent
@ValdVincent Ай бұрын
You seemed to forget one of the biggest advantages of the Philips. I can unscrew them with anything, a knife, a nail file, my finger nails, my nail clipers, a butter knife, a spoon, etc. Much in the same way I can nail any nail with anything with some weight to it. A square peg is really hard to get out, hence why some companies started using them to prevent repairs, along with triangles and other shapes.
@knightrider693
@knightrider693 Ай бұрын
If u can't find a screw driver and need a butter knife you're a pansy or a chick
@SamPeabody
@SamPeabody 2 ай бұрын
I’m an American in a state not too far from Canada. My carpenter brother-in-law loves the square-drive screws. An added benefit he described is that unlike a Phillips, if you start to round over the bit you can just file or grind it back into shape and keep going without heading to the hardware store.
@goxilo
@goxilo 2 ай бұрын
That's one of my favorite things about square drive! Plus, not that I've had to do this, is the fact that you can make you own bit *from scratch* if need be, with just a grinder or file. Can't do that to replace your stripped Phillips driver!
@ColonelSandersLite
@ColonelSandersLite 2 ай бұрын
@@goxilo Well, if you have a steady hand, a good eye, and a dremel, you can really make any driver by hand if you need to. I have a long running habit of making oddball screwdrivers out of nails and pieces of scrapwood. I think last time it was a 6 pointed star security driver. I could have ordered a cheap chinesium driver and waited a few days for it to come, but I didn't want to wait. I could have just drilled the screw out but didn't want to risk the damage from flakes of metal getting into sensitive places.
@christopherwallaceorr6977
@christopherwallaceorr6977 2 ай бұрын
I do this with Torx also. Zing it on the belt sander for 2 seconds while spinning your drill, and back to getting stuff done.
@ronkierstead
@ronkierstead Ай бұрын
Tell him to buy the Robertson bits with carbide inserts. They take ages to wear out. TASK makes and sells them in Home Depot Canada.
@Simonfrios
@Simonfrios 2 ай бұрын
Stumpy, I have to commend you for this piece: not only is the writing stellar, but the research that went into this is equally impressive. Love it when you delve into the history of the craft.
@earlyriser8998
@earlyriser8998 2 ай бұрын
Ditto. Great puns and humor and had fun with the story.
@Simonfrios
@Simonfrios 2 ай бұрын
@@earlyriser8998 agreed. His humor is on point. I'll never forget that "cam-outs" actually serve a purpose.
@taxicamel
@taxicamel 2 ай бұрын
@@Simonfrios ....and what "purpose" is that? Typically, material gets damaged when this occurs ....or someone might get hurt .....so what's the purpose of a cam-out .....more properly known as a screwdriver slip. .
@Simonfrios
@Simonfrios 2 ай бұрын
@@taxicamel did you watch the video? Cam out to stop a screw from breaking by over-torquing. it's hard to think of a use-case for that, but sounds like it could serve a purpose
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 2 ай бұрын
​@@Simonfrios Yea, and the part he leaves out or doesn't know is that the "cam out" feature of a Phillips screw was intentionally designed into it, it wasn't an "accident", the very purpose is so that there's screws that can be used on a mass production line without snapping off head's or stripping threads, it's all covered in the language of the patent and is not an accident due to a bad design that just happened to find a home. If industry loved it for it's mass production qualities then ok, so why does America get demonized for that? Another thing not covered in this highly educational video is that there's more than one type of cross tip screwdriver and fastener, and guess what? The aircraft industry doesn't use Phillips, it didn't during WW2 and hasn't since, neither does Japan and that's why the screw head's on all the cross tip fasteners on Japanese motorcycle's and the Keihin carbs on Harley's strip out when you try using regular Phillips screwdrivers on them, they're ground entirely different and a Phillips screwdriver only contacts a tiny bit of the cross cuts in the screw head, Japanese vehicles use JIS (Japanese Industry Standard) cross tip fasteners, they're easily identified by a punch mark dot on the dome of the screw head, all people have to do is just order a set of JIS screwdrivers online and then they can quit blaming America for the fact that they're using the wrong tool for something. And when it comes to aircraft you have to watch, everything from screwdrivers being ground different to different thread pitches on fasteners can easily get people in trouble who don't know what they're doing but think they do, nuts and bolts on aircraft use thread pitches you won't find in a tap and die set you buy at the auto parts store, even tool dealers like Snap-On have to special order the stuff unless they're one that services the aviation industry, even the octane rating for Avgas is measured using a different scale than what automotive pump gas is, that's why I roll my eyes and bite my tongue every time I'm around some screwball who swears up and down about how much better his bike runs on the 98 octane gas his cousin who works at the airport hooks him up with, measured the same way pump gas is measured it's actually right around 93 which you can get at any gas station below 5,000 ft elevation and is a lot cheaper than Avgas, which because it has anti boiling agents and other necessary chemicals in the event it's put in an aircraft with a supercharged engine that can fly at high altitude those chemicals are actually detrimental to what they're trying to do at relative sea level on the pavement anyway, but these are guy's that believe octane is a chemical in gas that the more of it you have the faster you'll go, and I learned a long time ago not to try telling them different, they're the same guys who think all the Japanese screws are junk because they all strip. Another industry that has people stripping screws that don't know what they're doing is firearms, that's why even your best Snap-On screwdrivers strip the slots on screws in guns, and even then the industry itself isn't standardized, there's different screwdriver sets for Winchester's, Remington's, Colts and just about every firearm you can name, that's because they've been in business long before anything was standardized and all developed their own fasteners. The moral of the story is use the right tool for the job and quit blaming your shortcomings on America.
@ruck-a-tron
@ruck-a-tron Ай бұрын
I had to go out and by apex bits for the Robinson when I was remodeling my bathroom. The cabinets and the counter top were held together with them. I zipped them out with no issues. I like that they don't strip out the screw heads.
@johncasey1020
@johncasey1020 Ай бұрын
I don't care about the content of the video, but your wonderfully organized shop kept me watching.
@shaystern2453
@shaystern2453 Ай бұрын
all for show👌
@thenmathhappens2829
@thenmathhappens2829 2 ай бұрын
Robertson drivers have a consistent colour code, which makes it easy to find the right one with a glance. Also, John Candy was the best Chris Farley.
@spencerjoplin2885
@spencerjoplin2885 2 ай бұрын
I can’t find a color-coded Robertson set in US retailers. Everything is instead color-coded according to brand.
@biffmalibu3733
@biffmalibu3733 2 ай бұрын
@@spencerjoplin2885 harbor freight
@ad905
@ad905 2 ай бұрын
It's so logical its almost.... metric
@InfernosReaper
@InfernosReaper 2 ай бұрын
@@ad905 Now, imagine if SAE had decimals instead of janky fractions
@matthewq4b
@matthewq4b 2 ай бұрын
@@InfernosReaper fractions are only janky if you lack the intellect to use them..
@DocSprocket
@DocSprocket 2 ай бұрын
Tool-wielding Canadian, here. I couldn't imagine the frustration of trying to drive Philips-headed 3" construction screws all day long. You've heard the arguments and I don't need to repeat them. Neat story though- I was visiting friends in the Pensacola FL area maybe 4 years ago, and we found ourselves walking along a boardwalk. I stopped dead to marvel at what I was seeing- the entire boardwalk had been constructed with Robertson screws. I took the opportunity to razz my American host, and even he was surprised.
@michael_mcgowan
@michael_mcgowan Ай бұрын
I'm an American homebuilder, and I freaking hate Philips head screws. If you've got a quality screwdriver (🪛), they're fine, I guess, for little things, but for drills/Impact drivers, absolutely the worst.
@emerkamp1
@emerkamp1 Ай бұрын
Good for new, clean things going together, but taking apart old, out in the weather can be hit or miss.
@N8Dulcimer
@N8Dulcimer Ай бұрын
They are almost always star head in America.
@pickelsvx
@pickelsvx Ай бұрын
@@michael_mcgowan Sounds like user error to me, eh.
@michael_mcgowan
@michael_mcgowan Ай бұрын
@@pickelsvx Sounds like some loser who needs to try and put other people down because he can't come to grips with how pathetic he feels to me, eh
@babamolapisi5716
@babamolapisi5716 Ай бұрын
Extremely entertaining yet informative. Thanks.
@Bagel12321
@Bagel12321 2 ай бұрын
i was thinking about torx the whole time. very funny at the end
@Beakerbite
@Beakerbite 2 ай бұрын
It only took us a century to figure it out. Progress!
@KB-dd9xr
@KB-dd9xr 2 ай бұрын
Put several hundred Robertson head screws in my deck. Drove in like a dream and when I had to dismantle it several years later I didn't have to drill even one of them out!
@radicaledward3783
@radicaledward3783 9 күн бұрын
Interesting annecdote, i was once removing screws from a house using a drill and one small philips head wouldn't come out, i kept going at it and eventually ended up stripping it, after a brief moment of thought i tried a Thompson about the same size as the hole and it came right out. I was proud of myself for outside the box thinking. XD
@BernhardMasterson
@BernhardMasterson Ай бұрын
Thanks for the history and humor! Loved it.
@nicholasnickson7254
@nicholasnickson7254 2 ай бұрын
I'm English. I spent years with stripped phillips screws and a slighter different version called posidrive. Both useless. Then four years ago I discovered Robertsons, I LOVE them.
@ColinElliott-nx4rk
@ColinElliott-nx4rk Ай бұрын
I was wondering why pozidrive hadn't been mentioned. because that's my big hate. By a set of bits, and it includes a few of each, looking almost identical, and leaving one to wonder which to use when confronted by a head which might be phillips. Or might be pozidrive. I then have to try a few until one seems to grip best. Is this only suffered in Britain? I like Robertson screws, though, of which I have a few, but phillips are far more common, and to a lesser extent but increasingly, allen and torx.
@raghardeishi972
@raghardeishi972 Ай бұрын
@@ColinElliott-nx4rk You can like look at screw, and look at screwdriver. It's obvious which fits which.
@garypautard1069
@garypautard1069 Ай бұрын
@@raghardeishi972 Yes many DIY people are confused between Philips and Posidrive. Of course Posi have an X stamped on the head . Some manufacturers have created a Slot/Philips hybrid which are useless. Of course an impact driver will bash them in.
@thearmouredpenguin7148
@thearmouredpenguin7148 Ай бұрын
Pozidrive is essentially an improved Phillips allowing for more torque and reduced tendency to cam out.
@tz8785
@tz8785 Ай бұрын
@@raghardeishi972 You an see which is which if you know what to look for, but if you have to explicitly look for the difference I wouldn't call that obvious.
@johnfurr8779
@johnfurr8779 2 ай бұрын
I emigrated from the US to Canada as a child... When I went to my American relatives to install central AC my relatives were blown away by how awesome the Robertson screws I used on ductwork were and how the screws didn't fall off the screw driver bits
@davidstonier-gibson5852
@davidstonier-gibson5852 Ай бұрын
I love it. Never knew there was such a thing. I only knew slots, Philips, and Ikea heads.
@TJWood
@TJWood Ай бұрын
I've only recently become aware of these square headed screws down here in Australia. I was impressed with them as they are far easier to drive and have a good firm grip on the driver... I had no idea of the history thinking they were something new that just hit the market. Thanks Canadians, its a clear winner.
@tomleiningerphoto
@tomleiningerphoto 2 ай бұрын
My grandfather was a sewing machine repairman in the 70s through 90s. I remember him complaining about the decline in the quality of machines made in Asia. I also remember a few lectures about the evils of philips head screws. He loved slotted screws. I have one of his old long slotted screwdrivers. But I hate slotted screws.
@better.better
@better.better 2 ай бұрын
they have their place, the others all require the driver to be straight on or it won't stay on the head when you turn, but a flat head can turn it at an angle. unfortunately, the head always slips off the slot left or right as you turn it too which pretty much negates that one advantage 😂
@Jack42Frost
@Jack42Frost 2 ай бұрын
Let's not even start on Allen Keys.
@islandwills2778
@islandwills2778 2 ай бұрын
the only advantage of slotted screws is that they are the one screw that can be easily removed using makeshift tools such as a butter knife.
@TAWei-hi6uv
@TAWei-hi6uv 2 ай бұрын
@@islandwills2778 There is one other advantage - slotted screws make the best "ting" sound as you toss them in the garbage can in a fit of rage.
@bluedistortions
@bluedistortions 2 ай бұрын
Slotted screws are great, if you only plan on rotating a screw at one rotation per 5 seconds, and never tight enough to accomplish anything. Great for Grandpa's wasting time in the shed to avoid the wife and kids.
@espressomatic
@espressomatic 2 ай бұрын
Canadian here. And living about 5 minutes drive away from the old Robertson factory in Milton. I can't stand what passes today for "Robertson" - the problem is that it's about impossible to find a real one. The entire industry is making "square drive" and there's little or no commonality, besides gross dimensions) between different driver and screw manufacturers (enough to fit 0, 1, 2, 3 and #4 sizes). Back in the day, Robertson made both screws and drivers. Today you'll find drivers and bits that don't seat well in screws and cam out easily. Some have no taper, some the corners are too sharp and require a fight to remove from the screw. You'll find screws with shallow square impressions, incorrect taper, no pyramid at the bottom, far too weak to take significant torque from a driver, etc. These problems all manifest to some degree when hand-driving and will drive you off a cliff to insanity when using a power driver such as a drill or impact. It's nearly impossible to power drive a square screw today with any speed without it camming out well before it's fully driven. Many times, again because of the weak screw construction, you'll strip the screw before it's even gone through 3" of fir lumber. Being in the construction/reno trade, I really wish Torx was more widely adopted here in Canada. While you can find them from specialty hardware sellers and in super-premium products at the big box stores, ion every case they're much more expensive than the common robby.
@dion6481
@dion6481 2 ай бұрын
The same crappy manufacturing tolerances also happens on Philipps heads. The screwdriver is a #3 but the bit os so "sharp" that it fits on #1 screws. Or the screw hole isn't deep enough and you have to file off the tip of your screwdriver. If you get good quality drivers and screws, you get good fit, no matter the type. Get a bunch of screws and drivers from flea markets you'll have problems. And as a Canadian, I'm proud of that Canadian invention and that's all I'm looking for. And as an electrican, that's all I work with!
@JoeC92
@JoeC92 2 ай бұрын
And the cheap Chinese shit now days with the screws that aren't a #2 but no where close to a #3. And they strip pretty easy.
@yl9154
@yl9154 2 ай бұрын
I remember having such problems when using a drill. Then I bought quality bits from a well know Canadian hand tools supplier and haven't had much problems since. Except for the occasional screw stuck to the bit after removal. In any case, proper bits helped a lot with the other issues.
@WeCanoe54
@WeCanoe54 2 ай бұрын
Agree. The problem with all US 'square' drivers is that the drivers are not properly tapered. Order a set of proper Robertson drivers from Canada. You won't be sorry.
@doonhamer252
@doonhamer252 2 ай бұрын
Wasn't there robertson and there was square drive. I think one was a tapered socket the other straight walled socket? Same was for Phillips and Posi-drive.. very often cheap poor quality screws and Hardware was used on the flat pack stuff like the IKEA copy cat..
@DeliveryMcGee
@DeliveryMcGee Ай бұрын
I remember once reading a firsthand story from a Canadian artist who sent a bunch of her work to a show in the US. When she showed up the day before the exhibit was to open, her stuff was still packed up. She had to call her friend back home to overnight her a screwdriver bit to open the crates.
@silleeel8322
@silleeel8322 Ай бұрын
the sense of humor here is much appreciated
@gavinpearcey
@gavinpearcey 2 ай бұрын
The Torx, the solution to the the problem that had already been solved.
@FJB2020
@FJB2020 2 ай бұрын
Ding Ding Ding.. I only see Torx in the US.. Them weirdos to the north still using squares.. Guess South park got them right lol..
@SamTheEnglishTeacher
@SamTheEnglishTeacher 2 ай бұрын
​@@FJB2020 People use them in NZ if they're doing high-end construction work and don't care about the cost of the screws
@cottrelr
@cottrelr 2 ай бұрын
The best thing about Torx screws is when your screw is a T20 and your bit is a T25
@Regolith86
@Regolith86 2 ай бұрын
@@cottrelr That's why you get a bit kit that has like five or six of each. 😅
@opotime
@opotime 2 ай бұрын
And Spax T-Star is the answer to torx ;-)
@user-kv4kc4pg6l
@user-kv4kc4pg6l 2 ай бұрын
I lived in Colorado years ago. As a Canadian I brought with me boxes of Robertson screws and built a few decks for myself and friends The neighbours in the area were flabbergasted at how fast I screwed the boards down .To me it was just a normal day.
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 ай бұрын
Every couple weeks I get a talking to at work because I have a pile of unused Phillips head screws that come free from vendors. I buy Torx screws separately to use. Robertson screws started to become popular with carpenters in America until they discovered Torx. Square drives are still common with electrical equipment. If you walk through the fastener aisle of a hardware store, it's still mostly Phillips, but I'm convinced that no one actually buys them, they've just been there for years.
@pldaniels
@pldaniels 2 ай бұрын
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 definitely more a fan of torx than 'square' - maybe it's just poor quality bits & screws we get here but trying to drive in a square at anything short of near perfectly perpendicular with the driving bit and it spits it out faster than my kids with brussel sprouts.
@alexd9784
@alexd9784 2 ай бұрын
And every homeowner and future homeowner of those properties cursed your name and your ancestors when they had to drive to the store and buy the bit to remove them 25 years down the road when it needed to be replaced.
@rightwingsafetysquad9872
@rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 ай бұрын
@@alexd9784 Cursed for 20 minutes, then blessed for years when they learned how much better square is than Phillips. Then maybe ignored because Torx is even better.
@user-kv4kc4pg6l
@user-kv4kc4pg6l 2 ай бұрын
@@alexd9784call me what you want but don’t call me late for dinner
@gmanova
@gmanova Ай бұрын
Thanks for clearing that up. Could never figure out why isles upon isles in canadian home depos are the square head ones!
@Dumitaz
@Dumitaz 5 күн бұрын
I rarely use tools, but this was a great educational video, thanks!
@oh8wingman
@oh8wingman 2 ай бұрын
My ex-brother in law is a carpenter by trade and he has built hundreds of decks in and around the Detroit area. Since he was based out of Windsor Ontario, he always used Robertson screws. One of his employees, a fellow from Michigan, decided to go on his own. He tried Phillips screws but soon converted over to Robertson which he purchased by the box load in Canada. Other builders in the area took note and now there are lots of Robertson screws to be found in the area since they work so well with deck screw guns.
@kaasmeester5903
@kaasmeester5903 2 ай бұрын
Compared to Phillips, almost anything (except flathead) works better with power tools. Never seen a Robertson screw here in Europe, and the most common screw used to be Pozidrive (a more grippy Phillips variant), but I noticed at some point the DYI stores one by one switched their store brand screws from Pozidrive to Torx.
@aitorbleda8267
@aitorbleda8267 2 ай бұрын
@@kaasmeester5903 Square (not Robertson) is quite popular for example in ikea furniture. Torx is no doubt the superior option.
@robertpearson8798
@robertpearson8798 2 ай бұрын
As a Canadian I admit that Torx are great but the relative cost here is prohibitive. Philips are my screw of choice for drywall. Go into a Canadian hardware store (including Home Depot and Lowes) and Robertson make up the majority of screw choices. When purchasing hardware like hinges, towel racks, etc. that come with Philips screws I often toss them in favour of Robbies if possible.
@Patrick-857
@Patrick-857 2 ай бұрын
Phillips is good for collated screw guns, which is why it will never stop being the drywall screw of choice. Phillips will also likely never be replaced in manufacturing. It works really well with auto feeding screw drivers on production lines, especially with really small screws. Here in NZ we are big on square drive in the construction industry, but torx is slowly gaining momentum, mainly with higher quality speciality screws. Phillips is ever present.
@swmovan
@swmovan 2 ай бұрын
Most of the screws that come with hinges, towel racks, etc, are almost worthless. They may work in a pinch, if nothing else is available, but I usually toss them for something longer and better quality.
@lawabidingcitizen5153
@lawabidingcitizen5153 2 ай бұрын
Interesting, here in Europe they are only at most about 20% more expensive than pozi, well worth it though...
@wombatillo
@wombatillo 2 ай бұрын
@@Patrick-857 A bunch of computers and tiny electronics do use torx screws. Some of the ones in mobile phones are absolutely tiny, yet still torx and automatically driven. Phillips is cheaper, true.
@Patrick-857
@Patrick-857 2 ай бұрын
@wombatillo One thing I hate is torx in European cars. They use that and a bunch of really weird ones. The problem is that torx can handle the specified tightening torque at the factory, but not the required breakaway torque for the poor bugger that has to repair the thing. Another example of European cars aren't built to be repaired.
@binyamj
@binyamj Ай бұрын
The Robertson kicks ass. I bought some to put some furniture together and I loved them. They are super secure and give a lot of confidence.
@Transit67F2
@Transit67F2 2 ай бұрын
after a 35 year furniture making career, two things stood out as best value...the square drive screw and the blessed millimetre. Never heard of Robertson. Thank god we dumped imperial measurement 55 years ago (NZ)
@140288albert
@140288albert Ай бұрын
For that reason alone, I like my European car. No fumbling under a car figuring out fractions of an inch
@pathunter7003
@pathunter7003 Ай бұрын
@@140288albert so you would rather fumble around with millimeters, ok then,,,
@MinatoNamikaze607
@MinatoNamikaze607 Ай бұрын
​@@140288albert metric sucks balls. Imperial all the way 😅
@TheDuckofDoom.
@TheDuckofDoom. Ай бұрын
Roberston drive is tapered, not a true square, that is what allows it to self align and to stick to the drive-bit without magnets.
@quistan2
@quistan2 Ай бұрын
There is no inherent benifit to the metric system. The imperial system has measurements that are more intuitive, such as a foot being roughly the length of an average mans foot. I've never in all my life heard a metric user ever utter what should be the most common measuremet. A decimeter. Measurements are somewhat arbitrary, which is why I'd rather use a more intuitive system. If you cant do fractions you probaby have no buisness building anything anyway.
@paulmount1119
@paulmount1119 2 ай бұрын
Robbie's are easy when getting my wife to get me a driver, " Just say " Square Head, with: Red Handle or Green Handle, or Yellow Handle or Black Handle". she always gets me the right one!
@tonys4341
@tonys4341 Ай бұрын
Very interesting video. I wasn't aware of the history behind it. I do remember as a kid, seeing a steam powered Robertson screw maker (I'm not that old! It was a steam engine tractor show) and was fascinated by the hot, oily screws dropping from it. I also remember my father, an engineer at a factory that manufactured among other things, an automotive creeper. The advertising photographer made some shots that showed the creeper in "action" and they ended up on the front of the packaging box. My father was appalled, because the photographer, apparently ignorant of all things mechanical, used Robertson screwdrivers as a prop. He suggested they redo the photos, but was overruled by the CEO. "No one will notice," said the Grand Poobah. Except oddly enough, car mechanics, who were the target market, are well aware of which tools are which. A few weeks after launch, they got some very negative feedback from the large chain, Canadian Tire, mentioning among others things, the wrong screwdriver
@egorleontev9970
@egorleontev9970 Ай бұрын
What a great little documentary for my Sunday afternoon.
@shannoncooley1575
@shannoncooley1575 2 ай бұрын
Love that you're infusing your great sense of humor back into your videos while keeping then well researched and informative. Well done !
@ZPdrumer
@ZPdrumer 2 ай бұрын
lol I love all the little jokes in here maple syrup, butter, etc. too many to capture. great video very entertaining but very informative as well
@drgruber57
@drgruber57 2 ай бұрын
Yes! I was laughing quite a bit through this video! He was in fine form! Healthy dose of sarcasm too.
@michaelraiman573
@michaelraiman573 2 ай бұрын
So many, chefs kiss! Informative history, with little nuggets of humor that only is limited to the amount that you pay attention. Keep this type of content flowing, love it.
@benvoeller8946
@benvoeller8946 6 күн бұрын
Entertaining and informative. Well done.
@garync3810
@garync3810 19 күн бұрын
Loved the video! I'm a bicycle repair guy, and the Japanese companies (Shimano), and I believe the Japanese car companies use what looks like a Phillips, but is actually a JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard) screwdriver. I always wondered why the screw driver so easily slipped out. No problem once I got the JIS screwdriver. Finally, the new stuff is using allen bolts.
@heyimamaker
@heyimamaker 2 ай бұрын
wow wow wow, best version of John Candy! 20 years ago I worked in a bike shop and sent a very expensive spoke cutter back to the US for calibration and it was packaged up in a little crate using Robertson screws. THe company said they had to machine a bit to dismantle the crate 😂
@throttlebottle5906
@throttlebottle5906 2 ай бұрын
very likely, as robertson bits were few and far between at that time, I had a few sets, but they were all cheap junk and would twist off, round/cam out if there was any torque required. then again, I could snap off flat heads, both the screws and screw drivers by hand, often phillips heads too. when using an impact or drill-driver, when you hit hard material, they ALL will shear off the fastener just below the head with enough power holding the bit in place. been there done that for 25+ years, when I had only hand tools. yeah I have a very strong grip
@Matt_Foley
@Matt_Foley Ай бұрын
@@throttlebottle5906stop tugging on your member so much.
@chapiit08
@chapiit08 Ай бұрын
Strange, because three sizes of Robertson bits come in almost every driver bit set.
@VoltisArt
@VoltisArt 26 күн бұрын
Well, to be honest, if you have to machine a bit for something that isn't horrible flat-heads, square is a pretty easy shape to make. I wouldn't be bothered for a second by this, if buying was inconvenient for whatever reason. An old flat-head might be a great sacrificial candidate, since two sides are already shaped close enough.
@Tal.10
@Tal.10 2 ай бұрын
Stumpy Nubs is one of the best, love your videos man
@rauknrolf
@rauknrolf Ай бұрын
Your dry, wonderful humor is wonderful!
@tc2241
@tc2241 29 күн бұрын
Ima torx man. The ease of attachment like a Philips with the security of a Robertson. Unless it’s drywall then Phillips with a settler is *chefs kiss*
@CanadianCitizenshipTestKit
@CanadianCitizenshipTestKit 2 ай бұрын
Short version of the story: A friend of mine is a (Canadian) engineer. His company built and crated a piece of equipment that they then shipped to Holland. The Dutch company was apparently perplexed and frustrated when they took delivery. The Canadian company had to DHL a Robertson screwdriver to Holland so they could open the crate. 🤣
@RandomGuyOnYoutube601
@RandomGuyOnYoutube601 2 ай бұрын
While square screwheads are rare in Europe, it is not difficult to buy a square bit.
@espressomatic
@espressomatic 2 ай бұрын
Weird, because I can easily find square drive in other European countries, like Portugal and Germany. It would have taken minutes to go out and get a Wera or Wiha square drive which I'm sure are readily available in the Netherlands.
@Mike40M
@Mike40M 2 ай бұрын
I'm an European who never has seen a Robertson screw. Though I have a bits set including square bits. Until now never understood what they are for.
@jonb3311
@jonb3311 2 ай бұрын
@@Mike40M Ditto. I've come across triangular heads, argh.
@lawrencebraun7616
@lawrencebraun7616 2 ай бұрын
The Dutch could have taken a regular screw driver.Cut the end off. Went to a grinder and ground it square
@davidregehr2687
@davidregehr2687 2 ай бұрын
The living quarters of my motor coach , built in Oregon, are entirely assembled with Robertson screws. As a Canadian it is a treat to pull out the old #2 robby to remove a panel. Another screw I like is the dual robertson and phillips used in electrical applications.
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 2 ай бұрын
I like those combination head screws that accept Slotted, Phillips, AND Robertson bits. I have only noticed them used on washing machines and garage doors though for some reason.
@portable_wall9222
@portable_wall9222 2 ай бұрын
@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive ecx screws?
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 2 ай бұрын
@@portable_wall9222 I think so. Google also brings up something called a Combination-Head.
@frikyouall
@frikyouall Ай бұрын
I always did wonder what those square bits were for. I guess I'll be looking for and importing some Robertson screws if I have to.
@MrSlipstreem
@MrSlipstreem 2 ай бұрын
European here. I haven't used a Phillips screw in many decades. Nearly everything here is Pozidriv (often incorrectly spelled "Pozidrive") or Superdrive with no cam-out issues, unless you're using the wrong screwdriver, obviously.
@DalHrusk
@DalHrusk 2 ай бұрын
If you never have cam-out issues with pozidriv you must be kind of magician ;-) After I first tried torx, I never wanted anything else.
@Knowarxana
@Knowarxana 2 ай бұрын
The only issue is that people always seem to think pozi and Phillips are interchangeable, and don't see any problem using the wrong size. THAT is what causes most stripping and camming on pz imo.
@DalHrusk
@DalHrusk 2 ай бұрын
@@Knowarxana This is just what you think. I well recognize the difference between PZ and PH and I always use the exact matching size of bit but I still have issues. The biggest problems are screws smaller than 4mm in diameter, panhead screws and unscrewing. Who says that he never has camming issues in these cases is either amazingly skilled or just liar. With torx, you don't even need to push on scredriver. As I said - I tried it once and never wanted anything else. And with ball-torx screwdriver, you can even screw at an angle of about 20-30°. Try that with PZ.
@m.a.6478
@m.a.6478 2 ай бұрын
Pozi is one of the worst human factor error inducing inventions in recent years. I'm happy Torx is ending the cursing and sweating when servicing parts which were last seen by a "oh, it's just a cross shaped screw head, I'll use my cross shaped screwdriver" person. Especially below M4 sizes it's almost impossible to see the lines and with a good amount of Loctite the damage is guaranteed.
@Knowarxana
@Knowarxana 2 ай бұрын
@@m.a.6478 personally I'm a fan of JIS, but I can't count the number of stripped heads I've had to deal with on older Japanese motorcycles, where people have used Phillips, not realising the difference. JIS has a really satisfying positive lock. If it hasn't been wrecked by a Phillips, I've got out stuck screws that haven't shifted for 50 years. I shudder whenever I hear someone refer to a "cross head screw"
@MADxHAWK
@MADxHAWK 2 ай бұрын
Im an electronic technican and we did a lot of huge scale AC ventilation systems electro assambly and used self cutting sheet metal screws. We quickly went away from phillips heads and replaced them with square head screws. 1. most phillips heads got rounded by the bits, once they were screwed in you wont get them out again. 2. the bits for our cordless screwdrivers went dull all the time and we had to replace them so we start replacing them with square heads and torx and we never had any problems.
@andrew_koala2974
@andrew_koala2974 Ай бұрын
PHILLIPS will end up in the Screw museum as did the Slotted screw
@user-io9ln1or7c
@user-io9ln1or7c 7 күн бұрын
Thank you Sir.Very informative.🎉
@gravelsandwich
@gravelsandwich Ай бұрын
Interesting! I'm a old Carpenter/Builder in Australia and had only ever seen or been supplied Philips heads. The first time I became aware of Robertson's was about 10 years with stainless decking screws. Recently I've seen them supplied more often for chipboard flooring and external polystyrene board. They are good but the only issue I've found with them is if you apply to much torque the whole screw head will just snap off.
@quirkygreece
@quirkygreece 2 ай бұрын
I love your blend of humour and information, James, and this is a classic Stumpy Nubbs video. Excellent - thank you.
@SIB1963
@SIB1963 2 ай бұрын
"Just like the Egyptians would have done if they had screwdrivers." My favorite line in any recent YT video.
@Dowlphin
@Dowlphin Ай бұрын
🎶 Torque Like an Egyptian🎶
@justcommenting4981
@justcommenting4981 Ай бұрын
It was delivered with such authority. With alien tech there was of course no need.
@fullercrane1795
@fullercrane1795 Ай бұрын
@@Dowlphin stop watching little girls cartoons man. Now I know why people need pushed around.
@richardharvey1732
@richardharvey1732 Ай бұрын
Hi Stumpy Nubs, thank you for such an interesting narrative, I have been using electric screwdrivers for about forty years and in my opinion only slotted is worse than Philips!. The Posi-drive version of Philips is a lot less prone to cam out. The most important issue however has always been the quality of the steel the screws are made of!. The issue that has concerned me the most is of course the fact that each and every type and size of screw requires its own dedicated driver, this means not only having a dozen or more differing bits but also the expensive holders each one lives in, this because it is relatively difficult to find all those very similar bits but a selection of recognisable holders makes life much easier. About twenty years ago I encountered the system solution for all our problems, a triple concentric hexagon drive designed to apply to all sizes of screw but having the appropriate indent in the screws, with the largest screws having all three hex's stamped in the crown, the smallest just the tiny central one, one size bit fits all!. Since then I have searched high and low for suitable screws, I do have the driver, but to no avail!, it is very clear to me that the industry has no incentive to make our lives easier!. Cheers, Richard.
@waynebrissette9459
@waynebrissette9459 Ай бұрын
and then there's also the Reed Prince head screws, which are like phillips, but not quite the same. I did wonder why when I lived in Canada (spent a year there working), square head screws were all I could find. Very informative.
@danaross
@danaross 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Very informative. Your humor throughout was much appreciated and very witty.
@ledocteur7701
@ledocteur7701 2 ай бұрын
Industrial designer from Europe here, we use exclusively Allen and hex cap, they support a buttload of torque, almost never strip (apart from very bad quality or extremely rusted ones, but even then it's rare) and while they require the driver to be straight on, there are drivers that end in a ball shape, allowing for a decent amount of misalignment at the cost of torque. It's a bit weird to me that despite being extremely wide spread in the metal working industry (at least in Europe), it's almost never used for wood working.
@thorinbane
@thorinbane 2 ай бұрын
Canadian tool maker, we use them all the time. My only issue is the US still using imperial fractions. We have to have 2 sets of tools for metric and SAE. Metric is so much better overall and I say that as someone who started on standard. Want to know tap drill size-subtract the pitch from OD of tap. 10X1.5 tap is 8.5 drill. 3/8-16 tap...Ok first i need to do long math to find its measurement in inches 0.375 now I have to use 1 over 16 for the pitch=.0625?? Now subtract .0625 from 0.375 to get a new decimal number and use a chart to find the nearest drill. I mean you get to know the standards quick, but what a waste of time. Love using a ballend to get at those bad angles or cut an allen to get into a tight spot. The robertson is still better than those for fitting like a collet in a bridgeport(milling machine) taper fit goodness. The square drive is not a robertson, hence the frustration with them. Though still better than junkie philips.
@Croz89
@Croz89 2 ай бұрын
I've don't think I've ever seen a _self tapping_ hex head screw. In terms of what might be called "bolts", they're pretty much the default choice, but anything self tapping is either cheese head (slotted), philips, pozidriv or torx.
@ledocteur7701
@ledocteur7701 2 ай бұрын
@@Croz89 They definitely exist, tho they most often use a different design than the classical cone-ish shape, instead having a drill-bit shaped section at the front followed by (almost) normal threads. a bolt is when a screw and a nut are put together, it's very commonly misused. Now that I think a bit more about it, maybe it's not as often used because wood is so soft you can't really slap a bunch of extra torque into the screw, otherwise the wood just strips, so you might as well play it safe and use a less torque resistant screw.
@ledocteur7701
@ledocteur7701 2 ай бұрын
@@thorinbane ho yeah true I didn't think about that, milling machines (and lathes as well), have square sockets specifically for the chuck, some parts of the tool changing system (for manual lathes at least) and almost nowhere else ! I was wondering whether or not a square socket could transmit more torque (the angle of "attack" being 90° rather than 60° for an hex) , what's your opinion on that since you used both ?
@wombatillo
@wombatillo 2 ай бұрын
How small do you go in driver bits and screw sizes? I generally prefer hex socket for anything technical but in my experience especially screws made for 3mm keys and smaller are very easy to strip even with good quality hand tools and if the screws are stainless steel the task becomes even more delicate.
@100SteveB
@100SteveB Ай бұрын
Torx is my go to screw head design these days. Used with a quality driver bit they are indestructible. Phillips and other cross head designs are not too bad if you use the correct driver. So many people fail to realise that there are a few different designs of cross head screws, each needing the matching driver. Use the wrong driver and the screw head will strip, or the driver will strip. What i like about Torx is the massive amount of surface area that the driver contacts - straighten out all of those v shapes and the amount of contact area between driver and screw is much greater than with any other design.
@ToolWrangler
@ToolWrangler Ай бұрын
Canadian here, the Robertson Screw company (circa 1908) offers a few different driver designs including one called a "Recex" which is a combination of a Phillips and a true Robertson. It's great because you can use either Robertson or Phillips drivers with them and I include them with all of my Tool Wrangler products to keep both the Canadians and Americans happy without needing to have different SKU's for each market. There are a ton of other great features too, the ones I use are called "MAXX" and they have a 17-point which is self tapping, and 4 lugs under the flat head which countersinks. Pretty cool stuff! By the way, just a quick word of caution... there are "Square Drive" heads/drivers in the US which are cheaper knock-off's of the Robertson and they don't work as well, this is because they are square in shape and not pyramidal as mentioned in the clip. So if you have square drive screws which don't stay on the driver or that cam out, you don't have a Robertson. Look for the pyramid tip.
@hgbugalou
@hgbugalou 2 ай бұрын
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@jimmyd486
@jimmyd486 2 ай бұрын
Now I know more about screws than I ever wanted to know but I feel enlightened none the less. ☺
@harrycelentano2206
@harrycelentano2206 Ай бұрын
I can't believe I watched this in its entirety. I also can't believe that I found it interesting. This my friends has been my aha moment when I realized that I am getting old.
@LightOfReason7
@LightOfReason7 Ай бұрын
I like the Hex & Allen head. The box is good because in a pinch you could use a Flat Head screw driver also.
@bmedicky
@bmedicky 2 ай бұрын
Great video. Worth pointing out that in Canada, Robertson screws are so overwhelmingly common that it's actually difficult to find any other head style in the usual big-box stores. Usually you have to go to a specialty fastener store to get slot-drive screws and Philips (the one exception being that hinges prepackaged with screws will often have Philips screws).
@FiltyIncognito
@FiltyIncognito 2 ай бұрын
Philips are still annoyingly common. We rely too much on US stuff.
@yvan2563
@yvan2563 2 ай бұрын
I don't know if it's the same everywhere in Canada, but here in Québec most screws sold in stores are either Square+Philips screws or Square+Philips+slotted screws. Yes we have Robertson-only screws, but they're not as common as the other two.
@bluewren65
@bluewren65 2 ай бұрын
Those screws that come with hinges are almost invariably shitty and need to be thrown away.
@reverse_engineered
@reverse_engineered 2 ай бұрын
I've never had trouble finding Phillips screws in Home Depot, Rona, or Canadian Tire. There are lots of options. The only time I've noticed a lack of Phillips was when looking at deck screws which were overwhelmingly Robertson. There were a couple models of Phillips off to the side in the specialty stuff, but the rest was all Robertson. Not that I'd ever want to use Phillips for driving in a 3 inch deck screw.
@Ice_Karma
@Ice_Karma 2 ай бұрын
Canadian here, who lived first as an adult in New Zealand and the US before moving back to Canada. One of the first things I had to do was get some Robertson bits. I had been going to comment about how some consider the Philips tendency to camout being considered a feature by some, before torque drivers were invented, but you covered that. 😺 A bit more about the first time Robertson tried to license the design: In 1913, Robertson co-founded a limited company in the UK, called Recess Screws (1913), Ltd., based in Gillingham, Kent. In 1926, another company, Kent Construction and Engineering, Co., Ltd., bought the assets of Recess Screws (1913), Ltd., which included Robertson's screw patent (which they'd been marketing under the trademark "Recess"), and promptly formed a new company, called Recess Screws (1926), Ltd., combining both firms' product lines (Kent already produced other lines of screws and bolts under their own trademarks) under a new trademark, "Chequer". Unlike the preceding, I can't find anything on the web to confirm the following now, but I recall reading somewhere that the other co-owners of the first Recess Screws deliberately bankrupted the company, so that the other company they controlled, Kent Construction and Engineering, could purchase Recess Screw's assets, including Robertson's screw patent, and cut him out of the picture. Ford's plant in Windsor, Ontario, Canada started using Robertson screws -- 700 of them each, apparently -- supplied by Robertson's own Milton, Ontario factory in locally-manufactured Model Ts, and found that they saved two hours of assembly time. Ford wanted to license the design from Robertson, so he could have his company manufacture them as part of its vertical integration, but Robertson was unwilling to license his US patent to Ford because of his bitter experience in the UK with Recess Screw. That said, Robertson himself held the US patent for his design -- apparently unlike the situation in the UK? -- so I'm not sure I understand what outcome Robertson was afraid of.
@thorinbane
@thorinbane 2 ай бұрын
Because of ford not just wanting to license them but buy the patent, he didn't want to leave the possibility of his manufacturing going down to any other company , let alone one across the river in a foreign country controlled by a competing empire, the british.
@joshuah1968
@joshuah1968 Ай бұрын
We often have to take the taillights out of pickup trucks to do work on them. new trucks don't use philips anymore but older models use them and they are almost always a pain to get out, a lot of the time you end up stripping the screws because they're so rusted into place.
@MultiVogon
@MultiVogon 2 ай бұрын
Glad to see the Posidriv gang in the comments - once you've tried 'em you'll never use Phillips again 👍
@autobootpiloot
@autobootpiloot 2 ай бұрын
Pz is only good with a very high quality bit or screwdriver. Torx is much better because you can use the cheap stuff in most cases.
@MultiVogon
@MultiVogon 2 ай бұрын
Not going to argue with that - I've stripped plenty in my time with inattention. My car uses Torx everywhere so I've had to buy a load of new screwdrivers (always a good day when you get to buy new tools 😀)
@donkmeister
@donkmeister 2 ай бұрын
True. Although any fastener experience is improved through using quality tools and fasteners. I've rounded off Tx heads before, usually some user error involved where I've not cleaned out the broach before undoing the fastener. One of the good things about Pz (and indeed Ph) is that for typical DIY purposes you can do about 90% of your work with a #2, and the other 10% with a #1 and #3. So you can have a good stock of #2 and a few #1 and #3. I've actually got some #4 but never had anything that uses them. Whereas Tx, you need a good spread of sizes... They're more suited to engineered items, such as cars, where an engineer has determined the clamping force required and hence the fastener size and torque required. Whereas with wood we just shrug and say "yeah looks about the right size".
@Volvith
@Volvith 2 ай бұрын
PZ is just Philips with extra steps. Garbage material still means you'll murder the profile. Square is great because neither the tool nor the material matters much.
@MultiVogon
@MultiVogon 2 ай бұрын
@@Volvith Once thing I learned the hard way - never cheap out on fasteners or tools. I've not really seen Robertson's here in the UK - though apparently they are widely available.
@CanCobb
@CanCobb 2 ай бұрын
I'm an American living in Canada. I was arrogantly clinging to my Philips when I first moved here until I had professional experience with impact drivers. A robbie and an impact is unmatched for framing work that requires screws. The bit fits very tightly in the head, and you can even move the driver around after putting the screw on the bit for a limited time. Phillips is good for amateurs and for furniture assembly from Ikea. Robertson is what professionals use.
@atanacioluna292
@atanacioluna292 Ай бұрын
So many details to bust out about, including the square-eyed squirrel. Lots of fun. I think of it as mental evolution. Electricians and seniors like to bust their fingers with flat heads. Dry wallers like to take breaks to change their bits. Robertsoners like to get weird screws that don't fit ordinary people, and torx's finally produce an expensive but reliable screw that you can never be sure if you got the correct size driver for. Loved the vid; thanks
@joe226825
@joe226825 25 күн бұрын
I'm a Canuck and when I did framing renovations I used Robertson screws for fastening (temporary) because many times the customer would want to make changes. I could easily pull out the screws to alter the framing. After things were finalized I could then properly nail the framing together. Screws are easy to back out; Nails are Not...
@bite-sizedshorts9635
@bite-sizedshorts9635 2 ай бұрын
When I worked at Hatteras Yachts in New Bern, NC, we only used the square hole screws. The screwdriver was called a 4-way screwdriver, because it had the bits for four different sizes of screws that were used on the yachts. I still have a few loose ones in the bottom of my old toolbox from the 80s.
@CADRollHunter
@CADRollHunter 2 ай бұрын
You failed to mention that in Igloo construction in Canada, we use Robertson screws constructed of hardened ice. Once two blocks of ice are fastened together, the joint is warmed and then rapidly frozen, causing the screw and the blocks to melt and fuse together. We're not concerned about over torking or shearing off the head of the screw in this application, but we desparately want to avoid the stripping that occurs with Phillips head screws and the resultant dangerous ice shards that fly about. Thanks for sharing the supremacy of Canadian screws with your audience and the world.
@driftwolf
@driftwolf 2 ай бұрын
If you're not using maple syrup (#3 dark of course) as caulking you're building it wrong anyway.
@dsigetich
@dsigetich 2 ай бұрын
Does that work in July? There’s plenty of ice but the screws don’t freeze quite as solid.
@CADRollHunter
@CADRollHunter 2 ай бұрын
@@dsigetich Yup, that's an issue in the summer! 🤣
@astranger448
@astranger448 Ай бұрын
@@CADRollHunter Trick from mechanical assembly (bearings and stuff), I summer use a freezer to pre cool them(liquid nitrogen might overdo it), in winter a deep fryer to pre heat them. Maybe cover in batter first, deep-fried ice cubes are a treat!
@seanmcdonald5859
@seanmcdonald5859 Ай бұрын
As an Australian I find the image of an ICE screw too bizarre to comprehend so I'm GUESSING this is one of those Canadian jokes they play on visitors. . . . .
@SazanovDmitry
@SazanovDmitry Ай бұрын
What do you think about Pozidrive version of screws?
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