Star Wars: The Clone Wars had killed multiple cast of characters and some of them were gruesome. Even the main characters were killed off as well.

CAREFUL, INFINITY TRAIN SPOILERS HERE . . . . . . . . . Infinity train actually killed of three villians (the two mirror dudes from book 2 and Simon in book 3) and a gorilla (poor Tuba)

Avatar killed a vast majority of characters during its run, Korra had a habit of killing them _on screen_

@@yosefali6922 Examples include Avatar Roku, General Zhao, Katara's Mother, and Jet(Even though it became confusing after The Ember Island Players)

And a lot of people who died in regular show where just innocent background characters that just were unlucky of being there

10/10

@@moonlight.8831 _yes_

Which looks looks like a dong.

He sounds like a gatekeeper

@@skybite You're not wrong lol

Exactly. People don’t realize we watched her character development in reverse. At the time that she “died” she was good person

I don't quite know how you can frame "Childish individual who threw tantrums until they got what they wanted, and abandoned the only person devoted to their happiness for thousands of years, only to realize they didn't want really want what they got, refuse to stand up for what they believed in, and make the closest people the individual has to family think she's dead, upsetting them to the point that they decide to destroy the thing childish individual wanted in the first place (which was a planet full of people, humans and gems alike), only to leave all those problems to their child" in a way that makes them anymore likeable, but I suppose I can't doubt the possibility. I feel like that synopsis should cover all the important stuff, but, having watched the show, it feels like it barely scratches the surface. And before I get the inevitable "She did stand up for what she believed in" no, she didn't. All her attempts to get the other Diamonds to call off the the colonization of earth were made to seem like she was merely suggesting it, and making excuses as to why it might not be a good idea. She never said, as herself, as far as we know, "I will not allow you to colonize the earth". She was so scared of standing up to her fellow diamonds that she created a persona in Rose Quartz and staged her death. She was a coward, she hurt people because of it, and in hurting those people, she created a situation where those people then felt justified to hurt A PLANET FULL OF PEOPLE. The moment we learned that Rose Quartz was Pink Diamond, the character died for me. All the implications of that fact were too horrendous. It was baffling how in denial people were about this to the point where people were just amazed that the theory had been correct all along, and put no thought into what it really meant. I hoped one day info would come to light that would make the story more interesting, and make Rose less of a dark character, grey her up a bit, but everything only made it worse, culminating in the Spinel story, and finally showing majority of people that, YES, Pink/Rose is a terrible person who ran away from everything, and that's just about all there is to it.

I hate how ppl hate her b/c “she started a war” like… you do realize if that war either didn’t happen or if they lost, Earth was going to be destroyed, the entire show wouldn’t exist. It amazes me that Pink gets the most shit out of the 4 diamonds, when she was the best out of all of them.

@@BirdWord03 There are a few points to tackle here. First, I agree with you on part of the first criticism. It's dumb to be mad at Pink Diamond for starting a war. The war NEEDED to be started. Gems were being subjugated and humans were in danger of having their planet destroyed. War was very likely going to be the answer, BUT if your ONLY justification for the war being okay is the fact that it pushed the plot forward, then that's incredibly flawed. I typically find the criticism of "if the war hadn't happened, there'd be no show" very disingenuous, among other things, because it elevates Pink Diamond's actions to being heroic on a meta-level, like she ALONE as an entity is responsible for delivering the Steven Universe series unto us. It plays to this tendency for fans to almost worship their favorite characters in their favorite series. It's disingenuous because... the SHOW only exists because real PEOPLE wrote it, and cartoon network signed it on and funded it. Now, the events within the show exist as they are because the war was started, but the story needing lore and origins isn't good justification for a character's shitty actions, which brings me to my second point. The war very likely needed to happen within the context of the show, that much is true, but the part that makes Pink Diamond a horrible, nearly irredeemable character is how she went about doing it. Her attempts to go to the other diamonds fell on deaf ears because they didn't take her seriously, but (and it's framed this way in the show) that's most likely because Pink Diamond didn't take her cause seriously enough to out her true feelings to her fellow diamonds, and it's possibly because she was aware they were afraid she wasn't ready for her own colony, and showing that she cared so much about the life on earth would have given them a reason they could latch onto in order to justify those beliefs. Yes, it's understandable, but it's ultimately cowardly, because it showed that she feared the diamonds more than she cared about the Earth, and the alternative she opts for makes the whole situation worse than it otherwise would have, that being faking her death. She claims to feel that the other diamonds don't care, but she can't truly say that because she herself didn't care enough to risk everything for her cause, and if she had, she may have very well gotten at least Blue or Yellow to listen to her. Instead, she created a situation where gems not only got shattered, but corrupted (driven insane for thousands of years), and gems back on homeworld suffered for it too. Shattered gems on earth got experimented on and fused together in gruesome, horrific experiments, and all AND MORE was left to be dealt with by... a kid. She actually killed herself, and left it all to a kid. I could go on for WAY longer about why Pink Diamond is legitimately horrible, and while there may have been justification for the war, there was no justification for the actions that led up to it, but I'm gonna stop this response here.

@@Rannulfus oh believe me I'm not in any way saying pink was a saint. She definitely still has her flaws! I'm just saying that less people would've been mad had they seen her "growth"/development since her time as an official diamond in homeworld instead of the other way around, ya know?

A letter is what I thought was in it, a letter from pink Talking about her regrets and how childish she was and wishing Steven good luck

@@NameName-yj7lp that idea would been so good, like, if pink never came back in any way then a letter from her would been the perfect end of the conflict

I just wanted to see a diamond fusion and learn about their backstories personally.

@@genuinelypink3838 SAME like the diamonds make no sense- why do they make colonies? Why are they so strong? Why are they the leaders???

I bet it the Jacket is what was in the chest.

Mental exaustion/burnout can be how they're exhausted. After all a compute will run slower if too many tasks stuff are open in the background and plus they're solar powered meaning they can also be low on energy. But outside of that, you're right about the kid joke.

Is it because Steven calls White Diamond childish?

@@Tabby-cx3n yes like I said gems are never children so how would they know what childish or acting like a kid is?

@@mushroomfiction1250 Yeah i never understood that either. It was a such a bad way to end to what was suppose to be a major conflict 😔

@@mushroomfiction1250 I saw it more like "I'm still a young, growing, immature child and you're a lot smarter and apparently wiser than me. What's your excuse?" I dunno.

Except when it comes to Kevin or ronaldo

@@greendecepticon6148 or aquamarine and eyeball ruby

@@ABg603 Or Greg for not exposing Steven to the obviously abusive grandparents.

@@christopherbennett5858 Or Jasper when she decides to live alone in the forest

... Our White diamond (Steven never accept the White diamond redemption and he try to kill her... When actually she change because he).

Alex Hirsch was also a lot smarter than Sugar and didn't try to make waves at Disney, even if some things he wanted to put in were censored. He made the show on his terms and now he's telling Disney to pound sand for their hypocrisy, it's the best of both worlds.

Yeah it was episodic. Different shows.

Yes exactly, I know we would all like to blame executive meddling/missmanagement for everything but this is one of the few instances were that doesn’t work. Like Steven universe had about 3 to 2 times the number of episodes as gravity falls and avatar and yet it’s ending felt rushed and some unanswered questions. It’s problems really came down to the show teeter tottering between being an episodic slice of life and a grand continuous story but it being unwilling to make the commitment (instead of the calm before the storm, it felt like the sudden storm after the calm) it was unfocused and that led to its failed ending

@@christopherauzenne5023 eh, it's hard to judge because they were different networks and I'm inclined to believe Dana Terrace's claim that Disney gave a lot more creative freedom for their shows than other networks such as Cartoon Network.

@@andalilbitqueer fair enough and it's not like executive medaling didn't play a part/affected the quality, I just feel like too many people think they can blame it as the sole source for every flaw/bad aspect of the show when probably, in the end, it's a result of multiple factors/issues coming together (and as you said it can be hard to judge/networks can have different standards and such). I just personally feel the show did have other underlying key issues that affected its end result.

I wouldn't mind the filler episodes if they made them interesting. The PSA episode and the Steven tag one were both just boring to me.

Season 4 was all filler, it is a poor excuse to blame CN. Writing was an issue for the whole time.

Theres only like 5 fillers in last 2 season to be honest

I heard that they had to have filler episodes because CN marketed as an episodic show to kids but im not sure if it's true.

@@teejae5307 why don't blame the writers but to Millar instead

The whole "Steven didn't like the Diamonds thing, he never forgives them" really doesn't make much sense The only hints we get of him disliking them prior was when he was uncomfortable with them in the Movie. And even then, he literally explains a few minutes later how clingy they are, which basically means that he doesn't hate them because they're tyrants, he feels uncomfortable because they're overbearing aunts. Future (or really, the last few episodes of Future) is the only time the show expands on this "hatred" And even then, it's not solved in a satisfying way. The Diamonds don't get any comeuppance for their actions, Steven's development is completely off-screen so we basically have no idea how he got over his (rightful) hatred of them, and they're still merrily living in the Empire despite years of abusing their citizens

@@yosefali6922 What's the point in comeuppance when you can just hug the ideal fantasy ending where bad things stop happening?

The problem with pink is not that she faked her own shattering it's that she lied to all of her friends and deeply hurt the people she was close to like bismuth, pearl, volleyball, and spinel.

@@yosefali6922 While I agree with some of your points the idea that the diamonds get to go back to their normal lives and rule homeworld is completely false. it's shown in the suf episode that homeworld is now a democracy and the diamonds are only there to help gems in need. with yellow fixing the cluster and the experiments, blue offering them happiness, and white being a "therapist"

@@tyrannicasteroid1586 My point is how the Diamonds don't get any consequences for their years of cosmic horror and ruling. Yes, Homeworld is now a democracy, but it's odd how all of that is only shown in ONE episode and never anywhere else. You're right that the Diamonds don't continue their rule. That was my bad. But that episode honestly just felt like a bandaid fix instead of showing actual change. Instead of slowly showing us how Homeworld transitioned into a democracy through several scenes and dialogue with the Diamonds finally giving up their rule (which is never mentioned in the movie), we just get a short episode that tries to explain _why_ the Diamonds are better and not _show_ us how they got better. Show us their development, show us their consequences, show us how they truly learned the error of their ways beyond "because Steven wants us to" (and when they DO show us their new powers and how they changed, it's after a full movie and 17 episodes of Future with barely any development to boot!) With how easily Pink was able to get rebels on her side by pointing out the Diamonds' corruption, I'm surprised there wasn't a massive riot taking place

I was hoping they'd give her some kind of redemption in SUF but they never did and it was pretty disappointing

Some people are just jerks and there’s nothing more to it

Yes I know and it hurts

Exactly

The thing is, after Steven found out about his mother being Pink Diamond, he only focused on that. He forgot about the Rose part.

Nope, after all that insulting filler between long hiatuses, I don't believe the crew knew wtf they were doing. The responsibility for this disaster is a 50/50 split. Both parties could have, and should have done better.

@@Bopperann cn wanted su to be episodic tho, so they had their hands tied. Filler was still shittly written but there’s always more to it.

@@eattheasslikeitsgrass5113 They had more than enough time to plan for that. Episodic doesn't mean that they couldn't give us interesting stories. I liked SOME of the filler but damn if they really dropped the ball on the potential. And to play Devil's advocate, episodic is what SU originally presented itself as. To be honest, I gave Steven a pass for the watching sunsets when the cluster was gonna blow up the world. But the show lost me when Steven decided to throw a wedding when the Diamonds are incoming. Are they a threat or not, Steven?? But I guess I shouldn't ask that when Steven just keeps gaining new powers x_x

@@Bopperann I mean i was strictly talking about the finale but you do you lmao

@@darkraysofsunshine3113 Future was a mess too. Really feel they missed the subject they were trying to tackle. The finale was very disappointing and should have been far better. With what they ultimately gave us, I doubt more seasons would have fixed their rushing and sloppy executions. I'm not saying it's completely the crews fault but they do share some blame.

Imagine if Rebecca Sugar was like "I want my gay wedding!" and CN answear "Yeah? Than we want White Diamond to be cool grandma at the end. F you" and they didn't think she had balls to do it.

I mean, the creators could've pulled off a loophole to prevent that "not-killing-anyone" rule: Have White Diamond defeated, but, instead of dying, she disappears by escaping Homeworld. Of course that's going to leave a HUGE question about where has she gone? and will she return in the future to reclaim Homeworld?. It would've left that part open-ended, but still much better than what we got!! Because it would prove the point that some people don't deserve any kind of redemption. Remember how Aang defeated the Firelord without killing him?? True, Ozai is still alive, but his political (and bending) powers where taken away from him, so then he could receive consequences for his atrocities without actually dying. Avatar managed to teach that some people don't deserve forgiveness, and they didn't have to kill off the villain. I still don't think Yellow D and Blue D deserved redemptions either (Blue maybe, but I'm not too on board with it) but people will definitely take them over White!! And while it's true that having White Diamond disappear would've left many questions hanging, and some fans would STILL complain, I know that. But still, it would've saved this otherwise rushed ending for such a good show.

@@100lovenana I mean, bubbling exists. Just hit them enough that they returned to the gem cores and bubble them so they never escape. Trouble is that SU seemed to have this whole "anyone can be forgiven" trend but had no restraint, no nuance and did that whole thing of exhausting themselves by reaching out to abusive parties instead of those who were abused by them.

@@christopherbennett5858 That's right, I agree

@@100lovenana Honestly, it feels like bubbling was forgotten to be like "If we kill the diamonds, we'll be as bad as them"... even though the Crystal gems could not be as bad as the diamonds.

Fr

You're not wrong, but Rebecca is equally responsible for the show going downhill.

@@WobblesandBean she had 6 seasons (7 if you count future) to make a good show but she didn’. Cartoon Network gave her tons of time, it’s not their fault she wasted it

@@_benn That's pretty unfair in my opinion. Due to the fact that CN was RUSHING the Crewnerverse which made the show worse down the line. Let's just say for the sake of fairness, CN and Rebecca can both bare the burden of responsibility here.

@@_benn Damn you don't understand how time works

The wedding was only there so Rebecca Sugar can pave the way for LGBT representation and while that's good, however as a narrative, it feels like filler because, after the wedding, it goes straight to Diamond Days arc, making the wedding pointless.

@@JLacay I really feel it was rushed and that the attire could have been better. Guess I've just been spoiled by fan art.

the wedding should have been saved for the finale

@@odeiofunkdeputariarum851 yeah, and thanks to the wedding they missed the chance to make new episodes

Finding out the wedding is a big part of why the show got cancelled, it made me feel like they definitely should've saved it for the finale, when CN can't say or do shit about it because the show is over. To me the wedding would've been a better closing moment than the gems getting uncorrupted tbh

Also the monster being an allegory to mental illness or ptsd making you a monster… yikes

@@dcscruz2970 I understand they were in a rush but they really shoulda thought that through more

@@ToonyTails is that with twenty episodes they could’ve made a successful story. Heck they could’ve cut the beach city episodes down. The pizza family didn’t contribute to the plot

@@ToonyTails It honestly felt like the show was trying to balance between being a slice-of-life comedy _and_ being about mental health. So it focused on one then switched to the other halfway through. Because of that, Future just felt like it had an identity crisis throughout its run. By the time it figured out what it wanted to be, it had used up most of it's time on fun slice-of-life So yeah, mega oof. I honestly feel like the writers should've at least known that a message this serious requires much more time and development (which would've prevented episodes like Bluebird, which was fun, but wasn't useful or needed)

@@yosefali6922 I feel like Future shoulda been just a collection of 2-7 min shorts focusing on what happened during and after the time skip.

Yes she does

That's more interesting than what the show gave us.

@@greendecepticon6148 why we fans are always comes up with cool concepts than the creators.

they should hire your subconscious

A journey like that could help him understand his mom better too. Whether it's seeing her reprehensible actions, or learning that she really is just a complex gem who was trying her best.

@@cryforhelp7270 If only if only. I really feel the people behind SU were just too short sighted to comprehend the full potential of their own ideas.

Exactly, Cartoon Network has also meddled in Infinity Train production, but it still did great. It just that the writers are the ones responsible for Steven Universe problems.

FINALLY

@@JLacay Yeah, if Rebecca Sugar hadn't given her writers and artists too much free ranch and oversaw productivity, then it would have had a proper closer (and proper redemption stories).

@@JLacay ok like infinity train is made around 8 episodes a season for an arc, that's pretty different from Steven Universe's 30 episode seasons. With multiple episodes in the work at the same time it's harder to change than 8 going at once.

@@meat2023 While Infinity Train doesn't have many episodes as Steven Universe, at least they had a plan while Steven Universe didn't for having too many filler episodes and rushed the story.

How long does it take something to become public domain? 😆

#ShineOnUniverse

@@BopperannI think it lasts however long the creator is alive plus an extra 70 year's after the creator dies

Yeah, I think the same can be said about Star vs. the Forces of Evil, because everything after "The Battle for Mewni" (and even some previous episodes) sucked. Really hard.

this happens for literally every piece of media

I feel the same way about it!

Fr, Rose was the most pure, cool and loved character the show was pulling but after we knew about Pink Diamond both of them turned out to be the most hated characters by the fans.. and that's kinda sad ":(

Ikr. Rose is my favourite character in su for her duality and complexity and yet the fandom tries to drag her into full villainy. And the show also backpedals on her hard.

@@alieneko_nyo I was so hurt and I felt like Steven was giving her the middle finger

@@arielruh7773 Bruh I feel you

It's just infuriating because of the pass they give to the rest of the diamonds, despite them being Pink's abusers and the cause for this whole spiel.

LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

I Completely agree

Steven Universe really should've been an indie cartoon tbh, the amount of creative control probably would've helped the show a bit down the road.

@@four-en-tee Yea

@@four-en-tee Couldn't agree more.

It was a mortal combo of homophobia and capitalism 🚫💰

Because their minds weren't as unstable as Steven, corruption was described as a "tear in the mind". True Well...she did change and sort of get better, but they should have finished her arc. Well Pink did have Spinel so yeah. Hm...good question actually. Because it wasn't necessary. Seems more like a nitpick but just because they are in a game doesn't mean they will become canon. I honestly liked Sunstone and it's design, pretty out there and interesting and unique. I completely agree here actually. I mean...what else of Rhodonite's backstory is there? Don't we know all we could know? Well...we sorta did, their a bunch of outcast and some of them are weird fusions. Ok yeah valid point.

The only thing I can think of with the Blue Peridot thing is that actual naturally occurring Peridots are only ever green

@@tropicaldisaster8135 I said court wise, not gem color wise

I rewrote Peridot to be pissed at Lapis

@@TheFunnyGuy9000 Based. How did it turn out?

Honestly, I kinda wonder why most of the human cast was even in the show. Lars, Connie and Greg were basically the only ones that got to do anything related to the overarching story.

world buildiung and so beach city doesnt feel as empty@@a.dennis4835

Exactly.

Barbie did it better than them tbh

Not to mention the fact that they used Garnet for one of them. Garnet, who has some noticeable elements of the Magical Negro trope. And that's not getting into the _other_ iffy race issues the show is guilty of.

Exactly. Especially since Cartoon Network has episodes that deal with subjects way better.

I mean "eons of genocide" isn't at all true. The colonized planets yes but the most life on those planets were animals. And we want to do that despite the other planets growing life. (we took the mars water instead of leaving it alone) a genocide doesn't count on anything that isn't sentient or humanoid, the only time the diamonds did anything was to the gems on earth. and they state that corruption wasn't suppose to happen it was suppose to reset them. also think of it like this: You're a human and you own planets, and your daughter comes to you and wants to rule one too, wants to help, so you give her 1 and you dont know life is on it or that they're as sentient as you, she dies on that planet and you in your grief want the killers head, you're royalty you can make that call; suddenly tons of people start defending the killer and it gets so outta hand you start resenting that planet. Or imagine the same thing happening but your kid is killed off by a racoon or something. The point is when you entice a war you can't expect the people who lost their child to be rational and go "let's talk to them" Humans at the time were like cavemen, it's like having a dog. and it's easy to wag your finger and say you'd do better but you're not in their position, they were on earth before life formed and again we do that, if a fishman was born on mars tomorrow and we took the water, you'd still see memes about how people wanna drink the "forbidden water" I dont get why people get upset at the diamonds for doing what we do but faster they wagging our fingers and going "you're causing a genocide." when like the most life are violent animals while you sit there eating your burgers and stuff judging them XDD there was never a genocide. You just didn't pay attention, with all due respect.

Honestly, that's the main problem that's bugging me with them too. The show constantly piles on their crimes at every chance, even when Blue Diamond was shown grieving on-screen! I was getting more of a feeling that Blue mourning despite being a terrible tyrant was proof that they couldn't be redeemed. Like, at the end of the day, Blue, same with Yellow and White, *won't stop doing what they're doing.* They'll continue the caste system the Crystal Gems tried rebelling against, they'll continue conquering other planets and mining them out until they're nothing more than hollow husks. Steven couldn't just preach individuality to them and turn over eons of genocide and oppression older than Earth itself. ... Yet he does _anyway_ because White got flustered _one time_

@@sokumotanaka9271 Unfortunately it seems you're the one that didn't pay enough attention. There are numerous examples of background details in gem-made buildings such as carvings and paintings featuring gems fighting other sentient races, most notably a race of snake-people (who are wielding weapons and tools, implying they are a sentient culture) that they are shown triumphantly slaughtering, and it's implied that the planet those ruins are on used to belong to this long-gone reptilian race. So that's at least one alien race that the diamonds have genocided. Considering they see the human race as mere collateral damage at best, this is clearly not a unique occurrence either. Gems are so used to destroying alien cultures they don't even notice them anymore.

@@Highstar25 yeah you're prime example. The gems never talk about any snake race, it was depicting humans fighting gems and rose is infront fighting off other gems and diamonds, and it's an old mural. Inside a gem temple btw (you can google it and no one looks like snakes and any other googling of "snake people" leads to fanon garbage. The only murals we see in canon are the ones of her fighting white/ the diamonds and the planets they own. Also if you read the books rebecca herself literally says zero about snake people and if they were integral or even....existed, information would exist beyond your word. Also again we get episodes where it clearly shows the gems there before humans and the first humans we see are through pink as cave people (I actually rewatched the series recently, dont try me.) and she tells the gems and they dont even believe her , they think it's a joke and the only reason they treat humans as collateral cause the last time a human was around their child was offed and these animals came out of nowhere and started chucking sticks at a planet they owned. again if monkey's were on mars started chucking sticks you'd see them as animals or vermin so I'm trying to think from the perspective of a ancient organism that came to a planet devoid of anything but flowers and scanned only for them to years, enos later find life and one of them try to stop it. and considering humans still exist again *there never was a geocide* and looking at the books right now, either rebecca is lying or you are and I mean I trust her when I can't even find your imaginary murals so. Nice try.

@@Highstar25 Fake ass murals, lol Okay Ronaldo, fan theories aren't allowed in an actual discussion.

@Nope Yeah. But I guess since Jasper dared to head butt Steven she gets no redemption and gets thrown to the side like a piece of literal garbage. What makes it even worse is how it’s implied that the Diamonds screwed over the other gems in the Beta Kindergarten to make Jasper as strong and as big as she could be, so she quite literally was only made for war and no other purposes. That’s extremely horrifying because the show does not give her an actual ending to her arc so the show is basically saying that if someone is made for war that’s the only purpose they have in life and if they can’t fulfill that then they get thrown to the side like trash

Which is very selfish considering Blue almost shattered Garnet.

It's not like the Diamonds caused alot of problems faced and hurted the people she loved .

Agree

6 seasons and they just hammered in filler after filler episode. And then Rebecca is like, "tHeRe Is No FiLlEr EpIsOdEs!" Yeah, sure, right, that Onion episode with the random other kids was totally plot relevant. 🙄

Amphibia recently showed an episode where characters that appeared in the first half of season 3 show up to help Anne & the Plantars get back to Amphibia. Which makes Amphibia better at handling background characters than SU.....

Or even draw the characters consistently. What kind of dumbass production crew doesn't make model sheets?!

Agreed. Steven Universe should've been planned way better

@@ingridc0ld Exactly. Especially as a writer, it frustrates me so much to see people get chances like this, and be so reckless with their storytelling.

@@songweretson1513 they planned the rose and PD twist, but that's it really. Everything else felt like half-baked/last minute ideas to drive the characters and plot forward without reasoning. It makes me disappointed the writing team defended the show from being called filler (which is what half the episodes were like don't tell me the Connie and Steven fight in season 4-5 was good because it ain't). The world-building feels haphazard, which is ashame given how much much terrain has shifted ever since the Gems came to Earth, but humans don't react remotely to the situations that's happening and when they do it's for plot forward and nothing else. It feels static and lifeless, which is something you shouldn't do in a fictional setting.

Yeah, I think Sugar's stubbornness over the show was a double-edged sword TBH. For example, folks have debated that the Pink Diamond twist really didn't fit the show and ruined some plot/character arcs. The wedding, while enjoyable, cut off the show and may have not been a right fit for the plot where it occurred (according to some critics).

@@DrawciaGleam02 I'm confused as to why it took them so long to get married. They've been together for centuries. Shouldn't it have been something that happened years ago, maybe after they drove the diamonds back from Earth the first time? Or maybe When Steven was a baby. Kind of a symbol they were moving on after losing Rose. It could have been shown through flashback earlier on in that case. But I agree. I sometimes doubt the PD twist was planned, just because it's so jarring. And even if it was... I'm sorry, but some of the things Sugar says and does are really questionable sometimes.

The Crewniverse made a lot of mistakes, specially with making so much pointless filler.

Exactly. People seem to forget there are truly evil people in the world. They can't be reasoned with, or rationalized. They need to be opposed.

The fact the ending makes no sense, unlike Steven, Star isn't afraid to kill, and she has many times before. There were several spells for Star to use against Mina.

Hated the ending. Star basically killed every creature that relied on magic to survive. Places that used magic as a source of energy are gonna collapse. People that used dimensional scissors are now stuck in whatever dimension they’re in which separates them from their families. Star killed all the creatures in the wand. Also for some reason Ponyhead was still able to float which made no sense, but apparently they couldn’t have Star feel guilty for handicapping her friend. Also the laser puppies survived which was weird since they were made with magic.

@@celestialudenburg3428 Star in a nutshell. "Let's play a game, there are five tied up in one train track, but only one tied up the other track. A train is coming by, will you either save the one person by sacrificing 5 people, or would you sacrifice one person to save 5 people?" Star:"I know, I'll just destroy the train, that way everyone is safe." "But you'll end up killing hundreds of innocent people in the process." Star:"I said I'll destroy the train!"

none the show had potential but the writers kept shooting the plot in the foot

@@dragongamerx12 it’s clear Rebecca nor the crewniverse had no talent in the writing business.

@@theblackswordsman5039 i agree with you their i watched it all when they played it before the movie you really notice the pacing and writing problem when you watch them one after another

I’m pretty sure Greg and amethyst had a platonic relationship as for busmuth and lapis According to the creators lapis doesn’t know who trapped her in the mirror it’s unknown if Gems can actually tell each other apart when they’re each in a crowd aside from subtle differences

@@Sabertoothkitten4Paw I’m not saying bismuth put lapis in the mirror I was saying she poofed lapis and a homeworld gem came by and put lapis’s gem in the mirror, I’m saying if lapis got out of the war in time she would never have gotten poofed by bismuth and got trapped inside a mirror

You ain't wrong. There was too much filler and some episodes straight up didn't need to exist.

@@YourLocalRussianNegro there are also characters who didn't need to exist.

@@NakanoMiku-chan-z2m true. I feel like the crewniverse lost the plot in tje second half of season 4 and on. It honestly kills me to think what this series could've been with better writing and more fleshed out characters. I also think Rose shouldn't have been pink diamond. And there would've been an actual fight between the crystal gems and the diamond empire. And I also wish that they didn't redeem the diamonds whatsoever. They were literal space nazis and there should've been some shattering. One last thing. Jasper, Lapis, and Peridot were done dirty. If those characters were fleshed out and cooked low and slow like a brisket, this series would've been very interesting. Too bad the writing sucked balls.

I look at this like a failed attempt at the animated Mulan story, there was lighthearted moments but in the background the Huns were a looming threat. Until the “girl worth fighting for” song, then reality hit the story. This isn’t a fun romp, this is WAR and needs to taken seriously and Steven Universe never did, despite the plot smacking them in the face they ignored it so they could do beach city episodes.

@@cartoonking1789 damn. You ain't wrong.

I don't understand your point on the Garnet one, people can have multiple representations of themselves that are discriminated against

@@samfinnell6070 no, my point was it was set up to deal with homophobia then suddenly shifted to racism. Garnet is great for both topics but no kid in that kind of situation would be racist instead of homophobic. It just came off as really forced, unrealistic, and just not planned well. Even if the setting was a studio.

Thank you! for reals that was such an odd route of getting their message across like they could have gone a different route heck if they were to say a white kid can't play basketball or a black kid wanting to join a crew of white kids who told them to go play with someone else it would have been more believable then a group of boys saying they can't marry each other cause of race

From what I heard, people, including several black people, found those videos to be preachy. Or at the very least the Garnet one, as I didn't hear anything about the other videos. I didn't even know they existed until I saw this video.

At least the Amethyst ad had a little improvement because I think using her for that topic felt appropriate because of how she was discriminated for being a defective gem by the other HomeWorld gems.

8. Infinity Train. 9. Adventure Time.

@@sarahsims6164 10. Over The Garden Wall. I wasn't the biggest fan of Adventure Time or Infinity Train as the shows went on. Idk, the dialogue felt like it was trying to seem more deep than it actually was.

@@adamisajoker ben 10?

to be fair ppl have different preferences

@@mlpsecrets7931 just the first one and alien force, then the rest are just.... Reboot trash.

It also kind of undermines the seriousness of what happened in the Gem War. It's like if Aang revived all Air Nomads _and_ Gyatso near the end of Avatar. It reduces the consequences and diminishes the whole message of what war can do

Also if the Diamonds can resurrect dead gems, why wasn't the Gem War just both sides zerg rushing troops then resurrecting them afterwards?

Honestly if they had to choose between a good story or a gay wedding I’d choose a good story.

The ending to KH3 is just the trailer for the "Nomura Cut of FF15" more or less, which despite the now even more convoluted state of KH, does make me a bit excited since i thought FF15 was incredibly underwhelming.

I still like Kingdom hearts but I feel like after KH2 they should have let Nomura work on different project. The FF7 remake doesn't count since he wasn't told he was the director until the first trailer. Because every future KH game might just be Nomura trying to repurpose is old idea FF vs 13.

I honestly can't imagine any of the other big studios wanting to take her on either.

I could see her being taken in by adult swim so she could make more mature content they were trying to do with Steven universe. I wouldn’t mind seeing remakes of some of the arcs or a new movie that could wrap up all the plot points. Or a whole new series for Steven universe.

Exactly, Most people disliked them because they poorly handle.

@@inavderhexo Yes, and even people on KZfaq who covered it expressed how they think the idea was fine and PSAs have been a thing for a long time but it's all in the execution which they found some issue with

the main things I kept seeing were people saying the PSAs were "cringe" which I don't think warranted such animosity towards them

@@hezureviews in my opinion it fall in the cooperate shill kind of cringe, its so obvious cartoon network only green lit these PSAs to get brownie points, they could care less about the actual topic as long as good pr is involved, which put a real sour taste in peoples mouth

@@maverickdarkrath4780 Well, yeah, obviously. But isn't it GOOD that corporations are pressured into using their power to raise awareness? It's disingenuous, but it's also delivering an important message to an audience (children) that probably need it more than anyone else.

Then again you could also have a bit of Julius Caesar situation

@@itsjustvin7630 To be fair, Homeworld was shattering gems without concern, and the Diamonds were all powerful dictators who couldn't be stopped and had no regard for any gems other than the uppercrusts. Bismuth wanted to liberate homeworld gems, not kill them all: only the Diamonds and those who benefited from their reign would've fought back and therefore they are the ones who would've had to face the Breaking Point. This does raise the question of what would happen after the Diamonds were shattered, perhaps even leading to a civil war and possibly even more conflict, and say that out loud I kind of wish the show had gone that route because if it was well written it could've been extremely compelling, especially if Rose had *not* been Pink Diamond.

@@ithinkflutterawesome6511 but then it stops being a cartoon catered to kids and falls into TV-Y14+. Not even Avatar showed on screen death and consequential ramifications until the comic sequels and Korra outright showing a murder-suicide on screen.

@@itsjustvin7630 Well than perhaps Steven Universe shouldn't have tried to discuss serious topics like dictatorship, fascism, and civil war. Maybe they should've stuck to Disney Villian logic where the big bad person does bad things and doesn't feel bad about it, so now we gotta go beat em up or have them locked away or something. That would at least have been enjoyable to watch.

What do you mean by Steven Universe's cancellation? I heard that in the previous video.

@@augustbornone Steven universe was forced to finish early because of its representation pretty much and so it was cancelled. They were given the rest of the season to wrap it up but like that clearly wasn’t enough and it caused the shows ending to be rushed.

@@strangeitch Wow, it makes you wonder how Steven Universe was ORIGINAL gonna end before it got ended early.

Agreed in all points. Why should I feel sorry for someone who created a genocidal imperialistic system where entire worlds are wiped out and sentient beings are kept in bondage all to satisfy her "perfection. Some people cannot be redeemed, and should not. I hate how they try to make this all "Pink's fault" when Pink did all this because of her abusive, genocidal family.

I'm so glad you brought up White's NPD. Like all diamonds are huge narcissists, and every gem was abused because of it. Somehow Spinel's happy ending, the character Rebecca confirmed to have BPD, is to go live with three narcissists? Does no one realize how toxic a BPD and NPD relationship is!?

Exactly! People gloss over the things white did, even the things yellow and blue also did. Homophobia, racism, abelism (with the off colors), murder, abusing pink along with yellow and blue, threatening the son of the person she abused, pressuring literally every lesbian rock in existence, was a manipulative dictator who enslaved people who acted "out of line", and all of that was forgiven by the main character. Who, btw like I said, is the son of the person WHO WAS ABUSED by white, yellow, and blue! He forgave all of them! EVERYONE forgave the diamonds. The whole reason pink started a war was because she wanted to escape from the people who hurt her. The whole reason she abandoned spinel was so she would fit the standards she was pressured into to make her abusers happy. The whole reason why she faked her own death was that she was so traumatized that she thought it was the only way to get away and try to stop the mistakes she made. She PROTECTED her abusers when bismuth wanted to shatter them with the breaking point. The reason why she wanted to have steven was so she could create life. Life that actually lives, is a normal being, and can experience the things she couldn't, being free. BUT NOOOOOO. he ignores his mom's sacrifice, is aware she changed, hates his own mom that died so he can live, but forgives the people who were the reason why pink started a war. It completely invalidates the struggles that pink had to go through and the things she had to endure for BILLIONS of years

@@junejuniejune I wanna clarify that just because I think White diamonds redemption is bullshit. I don't think pink is some innocent child either. I understand that she has endured and suffered alot. But trauma will never be an end-all-be-all excuse for someone to be so deceitfully abusive towards others. 1. Pink had no reason to leave spinel. She was playing the war as both herself and as rose. Which was a dumb plot twist in itself. And in the time she never went back for the gem she seemingly cared so much about. Pink tied a dog to a pole and left then forgot about it. There are no ifs and buts about it. That was just shitty of her to do. Not to mention the emotional manipulation of it being a game. Seriously that was fucked up on her part. 2. Pink is a hypocrite for locking bismuth up for shattering a diamond then essentially did the exact same thing. People were pissed off about this long before this twist came. And it's acknowledged in canon as one of Roses's flaws. 3. Steven is well within his right to be upset at all the people Pink hurt targeting him daily. It's just it comes off as one-sided considering how much less aggressive he is towards the diamonds. Which I fault the writers for. I haven't even begun to mention pink pearl, our pearl, and Jasper. Along with other stuff. So as much as White diamond sucks. Pink isn't much better. One good deed doesn't absolve you of all wrongdoing.

@@himdevil2391 All good points but I do want to add in an important part to it; Pink Diamond had the mentality of a child/teen before and during the war. It's afterwards or near the shattering is when she has a more adult mentality. That's what alot of people tend to forget. 1.) She was literally taught by the Diamonds that all gems were lesser, including Spinal. And yeah, she did leave and discard her like a toy, BECAUSE that was Spinal's purpose; to entertain her. Even if Pink did care for other gems lesser then her, she still was taught that there's nothing more then that. Even if she remembered about Spinal, it would ruin her plans of the rebellion and her secret identity because she would need to reveal to Spinal. (Maybe take her along and tell her it's a game but we know that would never work out.) Because as much as people love/like her, Spinal is VERY overbearing and a nuisance at times and would not be much help. (And also not be used in the war because she would maybe think it's a game and I doubt she'll be used because other gems would wonder where she came from since Spinal seems like a rare gem because we never see other gems like her.) 2.) I'm angry and upset with how she treated Bismuth when Bismuth was loyal and hardworking for the rebellion and a true Crystal Gem; but her reaction makes sense AT THE MOMENT. She panicked because Bismuth wanted to basically shatter her and if she revealed Pink and Rose were the same, it would make Bismuth (and every other gem in the Crystal Gems) no longer want to fight, because everything they knew would be a lie. That and there's a difference between letting Bismuth shatter Pink Diamond, and Pink faking it but still living. I agree that it was the only option to do because she couldn't keep the "double identity" up after Blue and Yellow talked with her and didn't let Pink speak. (And it was hinted if she didn't deal with them, THEY would.) I am still angry with her though because she lied to her friends (Bismuth's friends) and kept Bismuth locked up while enjoying the peace after the war and etc. 3.) I completely agree; though with Spinal she KNEW he wasn't Pink Diamond so she was lashing out in a very toxic manner and didn't care if she was told she was hurting innocent people. And yeah, he seemed really calm when dealing with the other Diamonds; the root cause of it all and trauma, but the team could have done much better with it, honestly despite the time restraint and not so much on filler, and not forgive White Diamond or the others.

I get why they would want to even the pace out and set the plot out, but the amount of filler is really not necessary, especially last season.

@@weirdfrikicj7389 She's still just a teenager, with her own life that's somewhat separated from Steven. Just because he life isn't a literal space drama tragedy- doesn't make her problems trivial. They feel big to her, and that's probably the point they were trying to make. It's like someone with depression agonizing over how their problems aren't as big as another persons. It's a tough mentality to have. Then again, I'm not entirely clear on what situation you're talking about and just thinking about the time Connie flipped some unsuspecting schmuck over by accident.

@Katie Lewis explain to me, how is rebecca an abelist?

@Katie Lewis fair enough

Actually the issue was that CN International was funding the show not CN USA. and they threatened to pull funding from the show if they went through with the wedding. CN's US executives said "we support you but sadly it is what it is" CN International dissaproved of the show and when the wedding came through they slashed funding thus resulting in the show getting canned. CN gets a lot of its funding from overseas countries. and Steven Universe did get banned from Russia, Kenya(which also meant the entire African continent since the continent only has one TV sataleite) and almost all middle eastern countries.

but she's still to blame. like she knew she didnt have enough time but she still wasted it.

I agree. And it's interesting to see how many of her less white knighty colleagues have gone on to do other projects, while she and Ian don't seem to have any big offers on the table.

The PSA's maybe a little corny but at least it's ads and not episodes. It's not too far off from Stop Bullying Speak Up.

Whatever cronies is running this now, I really have to ask them a big fat freaking...WHY?!

The Cluster concept reminds me of Dark Gaia from Sonic Unleashed....

It's never dealt with that this human died and is now essentially as immortal as the pink lion. They just have him off suddenly being a space captain. HE LITERALLY LEFT THE PLANET AT THE END

The Pink Diamond reveal completely ruined Pearl's character.

And it's a HUGE plothole. Like, the other diamonds didn't knew that pink could do that? Can the other diamonds do that? If yes, why they mourned to pink's shatering? And there's withe knowing before hand about pink's lyes, but not teeling anyone.

Anyone in the fandom can make a better fanfic then the actual writers. If you want to write something I can only encourage you.

@@eldritchkitty2396 I mean, all I did was ask myself things like... ● where the fuck was even a _small_ government presence? You'd have expected atleast a White Shadow-esque observer standing outside of town during the _first_ town evac. ● What about all the war, and ugliness, that can't be solved without conflict? What about the _dark, gruesome side_ of coming back from mental illness? ● What if the protagonist _wasn't_ half demigod. What if their gem-half was from what basically amounted to a Pearl? • After that, what if _this_ halfbreed was a sculptor, or a 3D modeller like me? How would the ability to craft an entire model mesh polygon by polygon in your head, translate to the ability to create _polygonal hard light structures as the basis for all gem weapons._ ● What if this character _starts off_ in a toxic place like Steven's pre-meltdown, and the story follows them just coming to _terms_ with their lot in life, and gradually adopting that sillier, more... admittedly childlike upbeat attitude Steven had in the very beginning. Between those ideas, and a few others, I think I have an interesting premise to explore the _glossed over realities_ of the series. For one- I had an idea for a caste of... I guess, repurposed/slightly redesigned Pearls, given electric/magnetic powers. The best name I could come up with for the cut was Neodynium- sort of a living spark plug or welding torch. - Giving those *exceptionally weak* elemental powers to the outlined protagonist, would prompt them to rely on polygonal structures until fused, and on _that_ note, - I _really_ want to explore the idea of them fusing with a fire gem into Magnetite- who manipulates _shards of burning metal,_ including being able to form a _metal shell without burning themself._ .. and _then,_ adding in a _real_ Magnetite, a _cracked_ or otherwise amnesiac one, who presents itself as male, and a direct antagonist specifically to _our_ Magnetite. I dunno, it all comes together as a concept, as "Steven Universe Underground" eventually meets "Lars of the Stars" meets "D Day on Neptune", with plotlines going from inner city streets, to government facilities, to planets still in turmoil, or committed to armed resistance til the end. Whole battlefield planets, and castes of gems who _seemingly cannot function without a fullblown battle to mobilize for._ Yeah, probably not the best idea to show my hand like that, but it's not like I'd ever be able to profit from the concept. Even _if_ I were to do all the graphics for it, comic-style, by myself.

@@magne7771 "where the fuck was even a small government presence? You'd have expected at least a White Shadow-esque observer standing outside of town during the first town evac." I kinda had a similar idea...... In my fanfic, which is kinda a KIrby x SU crossover, I had some of the townspeople follow Steven back to town during "The Return" to help the Crystal Gems. This is okay because these characters are the helpers from Super Star and friends from Star Allies. And there IS an organization keeping tabs on Gem activity. They're basically bounty hunters who snatch up gems in order to get information about the Gem Empire. Their ultimate goal? Infiltrate Homeworld & overthrow the Diamonds.

I heard that so many times about so many pieces of media and it has gotten annoying to say the least. Which is probably why I will sound like a jerk. Objectively you probably could not, most likely it would just be garbage. Maybe even entertaining garbage but still like most fics.

​@@eldritchkitty2396 KiwiQueen13 did a rewrite of future and it's leagues better.

I think Static Shock and Teen Titans did the whole topic on racism a bit better

Adventure time was cancelled

Well said

It’s like they always say “ if every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn’t have hot dogs.”

Creator of Gravity falls was actually given more time than he wanted apparently and asked for less time and finished the story within that season. Its not CN's fault at all.

@@mahliwowe They are completely different shows

@@fauna8049 So? I was comparing the two to explain how the Gravity Falls crew managed production compared to SU pissing theirs away.

@@mahliwowe They're completely different shows. Comparing them is a sad attempt at criticism.

@@fauna8049 Are you not understanding why I compared them? I also don't see how thats a sad attempt at criticism? Gravity Falls had like what 3 seasons? And ended up being amazing and the crew ended earlier by requesting to end it sooner. Steven Universe had 5 seasons, a movie, three canon mobile/console games, and an epilogue series and the crew still pushed the idea they ran out of time and couldn't quite pace the story correctly. Its a perfect comparison.

They could have given them a last season tho