Now 370z vs 3.8 Genesis on track!

I love how you picked the worst Genesis Coupe to do a comparison with.

I really like that you guys put the same tires on both cars. It doesn’t seem fair when 2 cars being compared have 2 totally different tires. Nice work guys, let me know if you need a mk6 golf for a front wheel drive budget track car.

I would say price wise the 2013^ genesis would have been a better comparison.

I just love that you can call her geni

I still remember driving a V6 Genesis when they first came out. It was a pretty impressive package for the money. Personally I'd probably get one of those over these 4cyl options.

So glad to see y’all used the same tires on both cars.

Really loving these Head-to-Heads. The on-track commentary really gives it that Best Motoring vibes from the old days.

I think this was the best entry level sport car comparison I ever watched, really fun :) . The driving wasn't bad either, you both were about the same level too. The fact that you even put the same tires on both cars... 10/10 would love to be on this track bumper to bumper with both cars 👍

Really like that you run same tyres and pads, to many test are done with old random tyres which can throw the comparison of completely!

Hyundai have come a long way in the last couple of years. It needs a bigger intercooler if it’s losing that much power after just one run.

Enjoyed watching this comparison! Great vid 👍

Man where these dudes finding BRZ's for $10k? a 13' BRZ with 80k miles is still like $16-18k in Texas .

Genesis Coupes aren't bad RWD cars to track and autox. Just have to remember it's a Korean car and the aftermarket for just about all Korean cars are a niche right now.

Fantastic tires for sure! Also a good value compare to the competition. I was at Carter Lake, Oregon a couple of weeks ago and even found out they are not terrible in the snow :)

2013 Genny 2.0 vs 2013 brz would be a different result I believe.

Try a second generation Genesis is has mor HP

Great idea for a comparison guys

I've had a Genesis coupe since 2010 160,000 miles later , it's still fantastic .

The revised 2nd gen bk2 Genesis Coupe is a whole different car imo. Good comparison still especially with the power output. Would love to see more videos of these affordable cars!! Can you guys review the 8th gen Civic SI?

looks like you guys had lot of fun with these cars... i miss cayuga track so bad... i test drove the G coupe 2.0T when it first came out . i felt it was really slow but brakes and turned good.. my uncle bought a brand new brz which i also took for a little drive.. in WOT car feels very under powered but when its on partial throttle it feels like it wants to go fast....

I really liked this episode.

great video!

Fun comparison here! Would love to see you guys bring the DE G35 you had done back in the day. Sadly you had to do quite a bit to even get it to what the BRZ is able to do out of the box.

I really would have liked to see a BK2 (facelifted) Gen Coupe vs the FR-S. It’s up about 70 hp on the FR-S, but I’d imagine that the FR-S does better in the corners. It would have been interesting to see the difference in heat soak, and overall performance. Besides that, I think if anyone is going for a Gen Coupe 2.0T, they’ll likely go BK2 for the various upgrades over the BK1.

i dig that 1st gen eagle talon in the background.

Please review that DSM in the background. I had a 1st gen and 2nd gen Talon and LOVE THEM!

i like the styling and engine layout of the first gen Genesis coupe. I've never driven one, but for some reason I'm drawn to it.

Brings back good memory. Back in the 80s after dropping my mom to work. Every single morning at 6am, I would get stuck at the lights at V.P & Steels with only me (in a 5sp Z24) and the other car being a Turbo Eagle Talon. Same results, flipped back and forth every morning, we were so evenly matched.

Love this already!! I love comparos thats what made motor trend great!

that was fun !

dp and pt the real mvp

Who in their right mind would buy a BRZ based on roll on tests which is not what this car is about at all? You picked a non-standard example of a terrible version of the Genesis to compare it against and then barely talked about how the drive between the two compares. I rarely write bad reviews but you guys really earned it.

The heat soak is real with those first gen 2.0l turbo Genesis's (not sure what the plural is haha). I tracked with a buddy who had one in 98 degree weather at Button Willow. I had a S2000 at the time. His times slowly got worse throughout the day while my times were actually improving. We were in different run groups, but similar timing gear.

I miss my 2016 3.8 R Spec with the manual. Limited slip diff, brembo brakes, nice exhaust note, very powerful.

Bowl of soup shifting, wow that was a good one :)

The Genesis has a tune, the factory rev limiter is at 6500, which would explain how it was so torquey

I daily a manual Genesis BK1 3.8 and I love every bit of it.

awesome idea well done on the car selection for the test....... 86 vrs the G37 would be interesting too

I've owned a 2013 Genesis coupe 3.8 Track AT and currently drive a 2017 BRZ Limited MT. I can tell you 100% the genesis exhaust note was Amazing with a muffler delete and a resonator. Not too loud, Godzilla vibes at WOT but fit and finish wasn't great. Lots of little rattles and vibrations, traction control was a little tricky not exactly confidence inspiring at the limit. But it will drift. Rods are like rubber bands on the 3.8 so no forced induction for you! But I hear the 2.0T can easilly make 300 WHP. Tuning the genesis isn't super easy or at least it was daunting enough that I didn't do it but if I would have I think Bisimoto would have bern the way to go. Great engine if you put in forged rods and pistons but cost is pretty prohibitive for the average Joe. BRZ needs a Tomei Exhaust for that perfect sound. Unequal length headers give a great Subaru rumble and improved mid range eliminating that evil torque dip or Equal length headers give a nice smooth sound and increased flow at higher RPM. Fit and finish is pretty dang good if I do say so myself. Ecutek tuners are the way to go. Openflash is a little cheaper and might seem easier for tuning the 86 but I would only suggest it if you're staying stock or very lightly modifying the car. E85 makes the FA20 very happy as long as the outside temperatures are above 40°f any colder and it's gonna be hard to get her started up. Driving at the limit the twins are super predictable and extremely fun! If you have any drifting or driving skill at all, the 86 or BRZ will make you feel like a pro. For the price, quality of vehicle, and aftermarket support I would suggest the BRZ, FR-S, or GT-86

Interesting video. I bought a BR-Z in April for lapping, but it really was between that and the Genesis. I realize after watching this video that both were good choices and whichever one I would've chosen, I would've been happy with.

What a close race! I think you should reach out to torque amp! I'm sure they would give you a kit to add to the brz and do the same race over! I'm just curious as to how much difference this kit would make. I'm not sure if the Subaru has the self learning ecu as the Toyota version does,but if so no tuning needed.

I once drove my friend's 2.0 Genesis home after he bought it. The rev hang was terrible I couldn't ignore it, I couldn't wait to get back to my car.

i know it wouldn't be fair to compare a 3.8 gen coupe to the BRZ but if you want a super rowdy, fun and easy to work on track car i would suggest a bk1 3.8. throw a set of 275's on konigs, straight pipe it, rip out the interior, throw in a sparco seat and wheel and you've got a super rowdy bad ass little machine. if you want something a little more civil and your budget is higher go for the bk2 3.8 ultimate. very comfortable and modern interior and that V6 is like 350hp and sounds even better than the bk1! speaking from experience, i had a 2011 bk1 3.8 and my gf daily drivers her bk2 3.8

Take the Genesis into the shop and do a mini 2-3 part series on fixing its short comings with the help of some sponsors would be good, always liked them when new but the shifter being vague and rev hang had me never consider one. Possibly a short throw and bushings/good trans fluid could bring it around? Suspension possibly BC coilovers or spring/shock combination with sways and bushings? Maybe there is a flash or piggyback that can take care of the rev hang and an intercooler or meth injection could round out the car then back to TMP to show the improvements for a finale? Did dave say the clutch was slipping as well?

I think we need a revisit with the upgrades done

Love this type of car reviews! Keep these coming!

I’m so happy with my genesis coupe, I got a 3.8 2015 ultimate for only $7500, dude didn’t know what car he had, it’s in pretty much mint condition

I think it depends on what you intend to do with the car. The Genesis' saving grace is the bigger engine especially in the 2nd gen. But it's a fact that it's a heavier, bulkier car. If you just want a sporty daily, but plan to do basic mods I'd recommend the Genesis. It's easier to get in and out of and has a more luxury focused interior when you get the options. Most Genesis owners usually just do basic mods and stop. I've seen about 2 with widebodies in person, and few with serious engine mods. The toyobaru frs on the other hand is more for someone who plans to build. It's much lighter and far more nimble making it a far better platform to build upon. You can dispute that if you want but it has far more aftermarket support for a reason. There's also a good bit of them used by racing teams for various styles. I'm a built > bought kind of person who likes to really make a car their own so I'd opt for the brz anyday if I could only have one. If I had them both, the Genesis would be my daily and the brz would be my weekend warrior with far more money dumped into it.

Nailed it on the head with aftermarket support. It’s not bad for the bk1 2.0T, but the 3.8 in both generations is... slim.

I have a 2015 3.8 Genesis coupe with the 8 speed auto that I have semi setup for road course action. Tons of fun and not crazy expensive. If you guys ever come to Florida there is a track here called The FIRM, it's a small more technical course like TMP,come visit and I'll let you take my car out for a spin.

Any feedback from those pads? 1 being stock and 10 being track pads. Are those like a 6?

You guys should drive my 2013 3.8 R-Spec!!

I really want you guys to test my track prepared 2016 Camaro SS. Have some videos of it

10 years old worst BK1 Genesis Coupe vs a 3 years old Subaru. Nice vs video bro. Cool story.

You guys Should do a 2013+ genesis either 2.0t or 3.8 vs something or vs each other if the 2.0t is tuned with some boltons

Just picked up a genesis coupe 2012 base model for 4800 with a clean title they are becoming very cheap in the used market now already have it on coil overs solid rear diff bushings and have done full tune up. Trying to source a lsd diff to swap and brembos then plan on building the motor but mine doesn’t have rev hang like yours does. There is still an ok after market support for the gc.

The genesis coupe actually has a lot of aftermarket support and a couple tuners the best ones are alpha speed they do the best tunes and theres so many turbo manifolds for sale for those things and intercoolers and everything

In fairness to the Genesis Coupe, the BK2 shouodmhave been used as it was released when the BRZ came out. The upgraded eferything in the BK2 Gencoupe are substanial. I had a BK2 3.8L GenCoupe R Spec and still miss it except for that gearbox. Very tail happy with its stock skinny rubber.

I would like to see a Mini Cooper peferably a first gen. I know it's not a rwd, but it would be nice to see where it hangs

The oil temps on the FA20 motor SKYROCKETS anytime you do pulls so I'd imagine by race 3 that thing was pulling some timing too. What did the AEM say? Anything above 212?

New project car. Get a 2.0 gennie amd hit up 10fintec for some mods!

G37S vs BK2 Genesis 3.8 r-spec: battle of the luxury V6 coupes that also happen to drive really fun. You may need to work on shortening the name. @Speed Academy If you want to borrow mostly stock Bk2 genesis lmk

Genesis Coupe is more of a GT car, designed to compete against mainly Infiniti G35/G37, V6 Mustang and Camaro. BRZ/FR-S/86 were designed as sports cars from the ground up. However, it’s still nice to see a comparison video like this. I would agree with a lot of people commenting here though, would’ve been a much better comparison if the Genesis Coupe was an R-Spec or Track version, with factory upgraded brakes, suspension and LSD (and a lot less miles lol). A facelifted BK2 Genesis with 270hp 2.0T would also be nice to compare against FR-S/BRZ since it’s still cheaper or about the same price, and since the car is heavier, the extra power would make it a better comparison. One is better handling sports car, other is more comfortable and faster (V6 or ‘13+ 2.0T) grand tourer.

About the power down due to the heat you mentioned, yeah it is typical problem on older Genesis coupe 2.0 Turbos. Mine had same problem so that it slowed down right after 3 laps or so and once it happens, it is done for a day. It does not cool down back to normal pace for entire day. They have too small radiator for a 1-bar turbo sport coupe. The newer 2.0T has bit larger radiator just like 3.8 and kinda solves the problem a bit. Still every track guys with Genesis Coupe here in Korea install aftermarket radiator to actually get rid of the problem.

Add an engine option for 280-300hp and 8000rpm. There, fixed the BRZ/86/FRS.

Those genesis coupe are getting extremely popular now every young guy wants one now.

255 width front tires on the BRZ when it came with 215's stock. That's a lot of tire 😅. I had Continental ExtremeContact Sports on my MINI and I LOVED them. I currently have General G-Max RS summer tires on my GTI. General is owned by Continental and some RS's are made in Germany (at least the 225/45/17's are). They had great reviews from customers on Tire Rack so I went for it, around $400 for a set of 4. Long story short I think they're just okay. Should've paid the around $600 for the Continentals. RS's grip but steering response is a little dull and feel numb when temperatures drop below 65F which is just dumb, even for a summer tire. Sidewalls are too soft like the old Continental DW's as well. That said, huge upgrade over all-seasons.

For a old car which seems it needs some shocks that Genesis hauled ass vs the newer BRZ.. Genesis seems to have more potential plus i would have liked to see the drivers switch cars

I gotta say I'd take the brz over the genesis!

I have a 2015 3.8 Rspec Gen Coupe and the understeer is hideous. If I rotate the rear the front drops under (best I can describe). If I lost the stock staggered setup would that improve?

Hyundai the real underdog though

I would definitely go with the GT86/BRZ But I would have gotten the Genesis if it had a V6

Before you start I will take the BRZ if you’re talking about the turbo version of the high-end day. LOL love it spell like that

370z sport 6spd vs genesis coupe 3.8 would love to see that one since I own a zed

Anyone buying the 2.0T Genesis is buying the wrong one. The 3.8 is where it’s at.

This comparison is good but a better and arguably more fair comparison to the FRS would have been a BK2 2.0t since the first year of the FRS was 2012 and a year later they had switched to direct injection on the Genesis. The BK2 is in every way superior to the first gen, especially the Track package. My friend owns a 2010 with a BK2 engine running a GT3076 @ 28 psi and it's a beastly little 4 cyl street car.

is this track this empty more of the time? ive got a 2013 frs with a few mods

350z, Genesis 3.8L Coupe, Older wrx/sti, g37, over a gt86/brz/frs any day.

2013 Genesis 3.8 track is fuckin sick as hell. I bought one ,few mods weight reduction and holy hang on 6 speed of course.Turbo,,tune,, enhaust, megan trans mount, engine leash, Niche 11a half rim out back 245\35 20,,, 285\30\0.,race coil overs, cat delete,,alum drive shaft, 94 oct fuel. thinking NOS soon, 516 hp 479 tor.373 gears posi with bushing kits and brace

Out of those two I would pick the brz. No turbos to worry about. Brz will probably the cheaper car to track. Ofcourse I would like to see the rx8 against the brz. My money is on the great handling rx8. Damn what a chasis, cheap a d a few more ponies. Oh and it's cool as hell.

Genesis Coupe REV hang is awful!! Luckily there are a few quick fixes to get rid of it. Best way is a tune and unplugging an extra sensor on the clutch that it goes off (Not the clutch safety switch but another it has).

Get a r spec since it has a lsd and I’m Sure it would be faster then the BRZ

How do your lap times compare to the owners best times on TMP?

Are we gonna see a video on that dsm @ 1:17 ???

Dang, I didnt know how slow was earlier 2.0T Gen Coupes were.

Is a 2013 Genesis Track Coupe a good car? Got my eye on one but don't know much about them

Now compare to a bk2 genesis coupe. That would be more equal in price comparison and closer in age. Though I'm pretty sure it would own a brz....but hey I could be wrong. Let's find out.

i noticed with your driving that when entering second last (or just last) turn you go straight for the inside while most if it all drivers use the whole track and shoot left before going right into the corner, you just go right into it, which to looks faster but idk. any track geeks chime in on this little analysis?

Was that a Plymouth laser at the start?

And I'd really like to rotate tires...rears suffer from evaporation. Also have never used my camber bolts for front end that came with it.

I wish you guys do cars with stock wheels or at least stock size. Adding 18s on the stock motor doesn't help

All I can say is “WOW”!

The BReeZe is fine on a track but everywhere else, I want the GC

Should’ve used a 2011 2.0 RSpec! Completely different car from the base 10-12 2.0 The tighter suspension, brembos, and limited slip differential in the RSpec make the 2.0 a completely different animal. Any GenCoupe that is a RSpec is infinitely better than the base Gen Base gens are literally a blank slate that have to be modded

You should run a Mazda Rx8 R3 next. They’re running like 11k Canadian right now. They’re really fun, light weight, rwd, and cheap. Eh eh. Rotary baby.

Now it would be interesting how different these twp cars would become with just a tune.🙂

Over time the quality of parts shows. The Genesis is a base 2.0T model. If the RSpec I think itd do better with the suspension, brembos, and lsd. BK2 would be even more evident. As is here the shifter is pretty meh. Needs new bushings as such. The BRZ actually seems fairly nice and crisp. Bushings and such head its quality. Overall for a sportscar Id go BRZ. GT daily Id go Genesis Coupe.

I have a 2010 3.8 Grand Touring and a 2013 Rspec 3.8. my GT is actually my favorite one to drive for everyday stuff, but both will slap the shit out off the BRZ/FRS/GT86

For $12,000 - 14,000 you can get a 3.8 v6 gen coupe. The 2013 turbo making 275ish up for the same. Brz is sexy I will say.. but it seems you showed the 2010 turbo to get the numbers closer, not for actually deciding what you might want. Maybe just me (2013 3.8 owner)