I own one. Compared to my Pajero you can't call it a real 4WD sorry.

Its because its not lol awd is not 4x4 dude no matter how much you want it to be. The bias between front and rear diff is not 50/50 and they have not low range gearing. Wait until you idiots go down something steep and slippery

@@Ga7cun7sSUCK Subies are perfectly 50/50 but yeh no low range no lockers etc. AWD not 4WD I do agree. I wouldn't take our Forester anywhere near where I used to take our Pajero.

@@Ga7cun7sSUCK Nice calling people idiots.

@@NathanElcoate sorry mate but they are not 50/50 maybe in a straight line on a sealed road but as soon as one of these wheels spins or turns the system will no longer be a 50/50 split especially when they are being abused like this off road, your basically driving a front wheel drive car when your off road like this in them. the way these complicated Subaru's operate They're designed for tarmac use. Maybe a dirt road. They are not even close to the rally spec awd systems they use in rally spec cars. Even the sti has a different awd system to the forrester.

Same 3rd gen too! Have kept stock 17s on BFG's, am also in UK, midlands.

I was supposed to lower the music volume before uploading but forgot haha. There's not much more to hear other than us guiding each other. If your in any of the Subaru Facebook groups I can send you raw footage if your interested.

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I want to know the same thing!

Hey mate, in the video I had Toyota 86 17 inch wheels painted black. Tyres were Bridgestone dueler d674 mud terrains (would not recommend). 245/65R17 I've got SG Forester XT 16 inch wheels on it now with Maxxis Bravo 771's and it's much nicer to drive on every terrain excluding mud obviously. 245/70R16 now

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They seem to be manual and diesel

I have an 2012 SH diesel with now 211.000 kms. Only turbo replaced at 209.000.👍

As a subaru owner I can definitely say they are not the real deal, but when you come out of a trail driving one, you leave all the jeep dudes scratching their heads wondering how you made it.

@@daldrete01 All you really need to remember is that a lot of the places people take a "Real 4wd" to are where our parents and their parents would take RWD yank tanks. It's more about driver ability than anything.

The older ones literally had 4WD gearboxes. The newer ones transitioned to AWD, though that big lineup change to AWD began in the early 1990's. The earliest AWD Subaru with a boxer engine was the Subaru Leone RX Turbo, if I'm not mistaken. I got myself a dual-range Subaru gearbox, but it isn't a 4WD. It's a dual-range AWD unit that, while capable, is not a 4WD as it does not have part-time 4WD. It is full-time AWD. I envy those who have an AWD (such as the full-size comfort-oriented Toyota Land Cruisers) with the ability to lock the center differential to make it mechanically operate as a 4WD when selected. All the benefits of AWD but with the capability of 4WD at the flip of a switch.

@@AWDfreak You can swap out the viscous center unit for a DCCD and then you have that exact functionality. Don't forget though, the viscous coupling is one of a kind, it uses heat to lock up, and they lock up fast. I track day my car before and after DCCD, the stock 4kg viscous center in the WRX 5 speed takes less than a second to achieve full lock when my foot was planted sideways through corners, on dirt. That's why they have a tendency to understeer under acceleration, because the front wheels receive drive very readily. Driving the car with the DCCD fully locked isn't that much different to the 4Kg center on dirt, all it really changed was that the car didn't lift off oversteer as readily because the center was staying locked, where with the viscous it'd pretty quickly unlock, allow the front to spin slower than the rear, regain traction and throw the tail around. Easily solved by just throwing the car around under power so the front wheels drag it around.

@@GingerNingerGames you're correct, I seem to have overlooked the fact that the DCCD has all that functionality. I know a DCCD unit can be done in a dual-range, but I'm a bit stubborn and I like the simplicity of upgrading the viscous coupler to maybe an 8kg or 12kg unit for off-road use. Thanks for bringing that up though, I'll have to keep it in mind if I get bored of the viscous coupling center differential.

Both would be 2.0L turbo diesel

Both have SLO (SubieLiftOz) lifts, 2in front 2.5in rear. Larger tyres. Silver one obviously has snorkel and rear tyre carrier. Dark one has a suretrac rear lsd, swaybar delete. Plus some other bits and pieces. Nothing crazy.

Just stock Subaru 16 inch steelies

@@alexanderphilipgreen Thanks mate

245/65R17 (29.5 inch). Have since moved down rim size but same diameter tyre, 245/70R16 (29.5 inch)

@@alexanderphilipgreen does it have rolled fenders and fender liners removed?

They're a 2.0D diesel manual 6 speed.

245/65R17 (29.5 inch)

@@joshkoster2851 omg))

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Turn the volume off... That's what it will sound like. Both cars were quiet, I turned off the sound on interior shots because all you could hear were my keys jingling around.

pretty fire music

This music is baller.

I have heard that the crank failures were on the earlier euro 4 engines that we never got in Australia. Haven't heard about any failing here yet. Both in the video have 200,000km +

Nice to hear that. There were major problem with failing dual-mass flywheel which eventually snapped the crank and the block was dead. Then there's an unsolvable problem with the block itself. Because it's turbocharged diesel boxer engine, made from aluminum, it tends to bend. Because of material chosen and high compression characteristics, when "heavy feet" usage, sooner the problem may appear. So it's not necessarily the always problem, but rather usage problem. Users often don't care about to cool down the engine and turbo after spiritted driving, full gas when engine is cold, short distance driving, forgot to change the oil in time. That's mainly the sum of European driving habits. Fingers crossed!

Yes, all the SH diesels are manual 6 speed.

@@michaelclark3192 how did you not have issues with the gearing given theres no low range? i have a usdm 5mt and have issues with the gearing on steep trails and soft sand

@@jellipig When I had my 05 SG XT manual the extra torque that the car had over the standard NA made up for it, and on steep slow sections I would just clutch kick to get the engine into boost as I had a heavy duty clutch. If I get another Forester I'd consider getting an NA gearbox with the low range on the XT and swapping out to SF 2.0 low range gears as they are much lower ratio to the standard SG and SH low range.

Wouldn't they just engage their lockers and move on?

It would be as simple as taking your foot off the break and letting it crawl. These clutches will be burned to a crisp on these foresters LOL

@@cyc00000 A lot of "4WDs" don't have lockers or LSDs. Some can't even get them aftermarket, but rear lockers and front LSDs are available for many Subarus nowadays. I'd like to see an armored, manual Crosstrek, with a rear locker and front LSD, tackle the trail in the vid...on mudders.

elevator music? No elevator music has ever made me get up and dance to videos of japanese crossovers climbing up dirt roads like this!

Cheers mate. There's not much to hear, both cars were pretty quiet and I cut out all the bits of us talking. The onboard footage, all you can hear is my keys jingling around so I cut all the audio from that anyways. I have a louder exhaust now so I'll try and make another video without music at some point :)

Most ATs are terrible in mud, but the KO2s actually self-clean the outer lugs better than most ATs. They're better than the old BFG ATs, anyway. ATs can do well in rocks though.

Rubbish fella, this shape has better approach and departure angles as stock than any shape so far... period

This is the best shape in my opinion