Bones12x2 I know it sounds crazy, but transmissions rule speed. While I cant speak to the strength of the WRX's trans it has a substantially longer gear ratio which in turn really benefits adding power vs the STI's nearly useless first gear which will become even more useless with a hundred or more horsepower attached, (I have driven a 450ish hp STI, wow I loved it but the trans, especially first is all but useless with power added) I prefer the running gear of the STI and the longer trans ratio's of the WRX. I myself have added power to a car with longer ratio's, say 52ish for first and let me tell you it helps tremendously when you add another 180 hp, which is why I would opt for my five speed over the six speed every time when power is involved. I have a 1993 3000gt VR4 with roughly the same if not a little bit more than that.....Like you said though I have not driven the newest STI or WRX, but traditionally the STI has had a very tight close ratio box, my memory may not serve me correctly, but I don't remember getting over 30-35 in first which is pretty bad......it may have been lower than that. Anyone that owns an STI feel free to correct me, plus I know you will anyway if I am wrong..lol I am glad that they have fully revised the WRX, hears to them shifting their attentions on the STI next.

kenmastersmaster SMDH. You can add full links on KZfaq now. For about the last 2 years.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/bullshit

kenmastersmaster And I'm telling you, you are full of shit. I post links all the time and I' sure I'm not the only one. They only mute posts over links for spamming, you idiot.

+kenmastersmaster Douchebag.

Congrats on your new ride!

Thank you! Your video helped me make my decision! =)

I remember what that was like. Congrats man!

+Engineering Explained great videos that you do, you should do a video called "what the 2018 sti should be" , and send it in to Subaru. 2.2l direct injection, twin scroll, maybe a half descent tune from the factory, just a few things to add to the wish list

Nice. Congrats. Were there any other cars you considered when you were making the choice on this one? I need a 4-door sedan with some balls and preferably AWD, so Subaru WRX was the first thing I thought of, but did you ever consider anything else comparable?

+TeaRex Just get an older one. I started with a 02 WRX before getting my 06 STi, I still miss my bugeye to this day. It might not have all the fancy dash guages but I promise you, it will still put a smile on your face.

Got a few requirements.. 2011 or newer..

+TeaRex why?

Thomas Cocks Why the requirements?

TeaRex yea why 2011 or newer?

Yeah I had a WRX that Was Laggy had a more late torque

Yeah man I agree, I got a 2017 sti about a month ago. It set me back $37,000 and first gear is pretty useless, also trying to cruise down my alleyway in 1st is so laggy it’s insane. The sti hates crawling and reverse wants to give too much power sending me out at almost 10mph in a second lol.

what'd you pay?

+soxfantony773 Nothing.

Hows it holding up

Congrats on your new ride! I can certainly relate to how you feel about it.

+Johnson Knowles Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I've previously owned a 2006 WRX and thought it was a great car that I'd like to have a again someday (the job market forced me to let it go). I tested an 06 STi back then and the acceleration difference seemed quite noticeable and put it on my dream car list for when I was making more money. It's good to know that I can go back to a WRX as a much improved car since then and the STI is not nearly as enchanting for a street car and the price bump.

Johnson Knowles Is your WSX auto or manual

Johnson Knowles so the answer is ultimately a wrx with bigger brakes/rotors. Still cheaper than an STI and pretty sure itd be fun to track once in a whilr

Out of curiosity, did you ever consider something like a focus RS?

hahahaha

should do one for subaruwrxfan

Agadmator (Chess) sells shirts with "Hello Everyone" on them

You just saved me 10k. Thank you!

Sorry to hear about your spouse. Maybe you can return her??

65PontiacTempest I imagine she's non refundable and would result in a major loss for him.

+briansmobile1 drive louder so you hear less complaining. yessss

+barples lol

+briansmobile1 I put a catback on mine and my girl started complaining about the noise every time she got in the car, so I took it back to the exhaust shop and straight piped it to drown out her annoying voice.

+dayway05 Just don't.

+Charles Bradford Why would you refrain yourself from doing so'?

Thats what im doing.. $8k for more turbo lag? LOL no thanks

+Bill Freedman You mean $8k for a better car? Pretending to be an STI isn't cool but if you like being a poser and playing pretend, go right ahead.

Also, If I was that worried about what people think of adding 3 letters on, then I'd buy an STI..

Same bruh

8grand is still a lot but it depends on how much you think is worth it. I think they are more with it new but used forget it. The STi is stupidly higher than the same year WRX limited and still either $6grand more with the same miles OR the same price but it will have 40-50k more miles on it. You really can't win lol The Wrx is the original and a great car. If you want to be a tuner and go to the track all the time and beat the living piss out of it, the STi is the car for you. If you want to have fun and still go fast but use it as a daily driver for work and such. The WRX is for you but the best part is. You can still take and mod up a WRX it just may cost you more money and the tranni isn't as robust.

But then you see the price for what you get.

Man, I just want that sick spoiler. I wish they spec'd the WRX with that spoiler. Or just a different sexy spoiler over all. A WRX without a spoiler looks freakin' naked and mundane.

A tatious WRX's are better to mod than sti (2017). Speed and track. Sti got some engine issues.

7 years later, so what happened?!?!?!

I have owned the 2017 WRX and I now own a 2020 STI. The STI in my opinion is the better car overall. Subies forever.

dguy6789 1000 in that car and beat a gtr probably only once after that it explodes

I have a corolla.. tell me, on what mods do I spend the $1000 in order to be faster than a GT-R??lol

You have poor estimation skills lol

Add an extra 0 to that 1000 :P Probably will take $10,000 to make a Corolla as fast as a GTR straight line wise.

dguy6789 not just in a straight line. It will brake better, handle better, and be faster in a straight line. The WRX is just so close to the STI already that it doesn't take much to make it better.

Trevor Wray So you pretty much gave Subaru an extra 8 grand, good for you. They gave you a WRX that's heavier and less fuel economy. Brakes/Tires are irrelevant because you don't need all of that if you're not going onto a track. STI has literally 0 benefits unless you plan to make it a track car. You should've just went with a maxed out WRX that'll be as quick as a stock STI and have more features.

Sure, your logic seems all well and good, but I did not enjoy driving the wrx. You may not understand why I bought an STI, that's fine as your opinion holds little value to me. I'm fk'n happy with my purchase just like I assume you are with your wrx.

Sure, it might not translate into seconds on a race track, but what it really does is transform the feel of the car. I prefer how the sti drives. Simple as that, I don't think I wasted any money. I have no buyers remorse and the fact I smile every time I drive this car makes it 100% worth it

Lol

kenmastersmaster wooow you are small minded :O Just because you did those mistakes doesn't mean everybody who gets an STI will follow your path. And you clearly lack basic human communication skills. Trevor clearly stated he DOES NOT want to mod his car in any way, and yet 80% of your comments are about which one can handle what parts and this much power blah blah blah - guess what, nobody_cares.jpg And cool you install a cobb exhaust, and you think that the sound it makes is the most important aspect? lol. I'm sorry subaru have to deal with customers like you. No wonder they didn't honor the warranty, you clearly don't know how to appreciate fine engineering. You just want what sounds the best and goes the fastest, never think of the consequences. A simple chip tune can destroy a car if it's not done properly, and even if it is done by specialists it is not a safe guarantee it won't damage something sooner or later. That is why companies make their chips so conservative, to not risk any damage to the engine during the warranty time. And guess what, the same goes for the engineering of the car. Of course if you mod it then subaru can't hold their warranty claim because you broke their engine layout with mods. Trevor here talks about performance feel, how he bonds with the car, how he feels while driving. And you call him a brand whore?! What he has got is true enthusiast spirit. And how come you only talk about the track? How about the more advanced underbody of the STI, its better AWD system, its better gearbox, its better suspension, better brakes. And let me tell you, in real world scenarios you want good brakes too, not just on the track. If you head down from a mountain pass then you want to be absolutely sure you can rely on your brakes all the way to the end, and that they don't suddenly start to fade which could end up in a serious crash both in summer and winter conditions. In the end you have no respect for one man's choice, and all I see you do here is to bash on everyone liking the STI - as if you are a god to judge everyone's decisions and personal taste. Which is why you don't deserve any respect yourself. You are a narrow-minded and arrogant fool, that's all you are. Trevor Wray btw Trevor love your "Lol" comment :D about sums up the amount of communication that Kenmastermaster is able to comprehend :'D

+Steven C I love my '14 STI! Great car you've got! :)

16 sexualy transmitted infections? Thats bad luck

I only bought it.cuz it hold its value

Ty Ty gay

@@EngineeringExplained 14's are great!

I also went from a 2011 hatch to a 2015. I agree with everything you said.

Patrick Ford My main decider was that the STI would put me into the sports car insurance bracket and WRX didn't. that was a money over time issue for me

kkthxk to be fair, that was from bad lots of castings. It wasn't an engineering problem, it was a manufacturing problem that got sorted. Faulty engines failed and were fixed. Subsequent batches of pistons were fixed in manufacturing. If a car had that problem it wouldn't be on the road, or you'd know it from a test drive. I wouldn't worry about buying an old ej20 or ej25 if it's still running and you can test it. New ones, no problem.

kkthxk this is true. Subarus are money pits. Enjoy the warranty.

Birmingham Man Rixstaa not money pits. I've had three wrx. Very reliable. kkthxk​ were those stock STis? I could see that lean burn happening if they were tuned to push the boost beyond what the injectors were able yo keep up with.

Dennis King Looks aside, it's a huge improvement over the previous gen.

Dennis King I use to think like you. I would recommend you going to Subaru dealer and get an up close and personal look at the new Rex/Sti. The front end looks way more aggressive than previous gen and the body kit/side skirts look sick. On top of that the driving experience is much better too. I had 2014 Wrx and traded it for a new one and theres no way i would go back even though the 11-14 isnt a bad car by any means but these new ones are better in every category.

Personally, if you buy a car for the way it looks, then you are looking to impress others. It's like working out to impress chicks rather than working out to be healthy. Granted, every new car looks the same these days, interior is much more important. You don't drive a car from the outside, you spend all your time inside. I went and looked at a 2016 STi today and was blown away from the interior improvements. All the previous models had more plastics than a Lego castle and looked cheap. I'm now looking into buying a new STi just because the interior and chassis improvements over previous generations.

I understand what you mean. But we are talking about the Subaru wrx / sti specifically. So no I didn't buy the wrx to impress others. I just think the new wrz/sti looks a little less "aggressive" than previous models. That's all. I chose a subie wrx because it is overall a good car in every aspect including the aggressive look that came with it until 2016.

Dennis King Didn't everyone say that about the 11-14s? And before that the 08-10s? Lol can Subaru never win? When it comes to looks many people will say no. But you'll get used to it and love the fact that it is a WRX, all in good time my friend.

We're driving conservatively? Or did you give use the boost every so often on your drive? I'm looking at getting a WRX, but a lot of the reviews online say the MPG is bad.

If you have the money I think the WRX is the clear choice. The FRS starts at a base price of around 25K where as the WRX starts at around 27K (both prices are from manufacturer websites) and I think for two thousand dollars more you really get a bang for your buck! You get roughly 60 more HP and 90 lb/ft of torque. And apart from all this you can still take your WRX to the dirt, snow track, etc. or places where you otherwise would not be able to take an FRS. And cmon lets be honest the WRX is just BADASS

***** Yeah, that's what I was thinking... the wrx is only 2k more, which is nothing in the grand scheme of things. I don't really do anything with my cars except commute on the highway for the most part. Unfortunately all the twisty roads are reserved for my motorcycle. lol I just really love the looks of the FR-S.

I own both a 14 wrx Sti and a 15 brz, previously owned a 12 wrx. Don't listen to the few guys here who have mentioned "you can off road with the wrx" because you can't. The car doesn't have any ground clearance, the sportier tires give any traction either. Dirt smooth road on stock suspension? Sure. If it rained any time that week you'll def get stuck. As I only test drove the 15 wrx, I can tell you the brz does feel more alive in the handling area and it's actually a lot more fun to drive on small twisty roads, the wrx kinda feels lifeless to me in comparison in those areas. The wrx is obviously faster, but at a price it is very noticeably heavier and almost feels like a suv when compared to an 86. It all really depends on where you live and your lifestyle. If you live anywhere with a chance of snow get the wrx and through snows on it. If you live down south with no kids I would lean more towards the 86. "You can fit 3 more people in the wrx". Let's be honest, NO ONE wants people in their back seat. Not to mention even 4-5 people on a wrx just feels wrong, like a placebo affect that you're somehow stressing the car. I'm sure it's doing absolutely nothing to hurt it, but driving and feeling how heavy the load is and the cars behavior just feels wrong. If you live in an area where it doesn't snow and you have no kids I would honestly vote the 86 twins over my Sti (hate me I don't care). I would buy a 2014 which are easy to find with no miles and save 8-9 k off of a brand new one so almost 11 k compared to a new wrx. If speed is your concern you can reliably make 300 whp with its light weight, beat stage 2+ wrx and Sti (I know from experience even though the Sti will have more power. It's heavier and awd becomes your enemy after the start off by drag)and still have cash left over for some wheels and coils or what ever. Me living in New York, if it came down to one or the other id pick my Sti. Awd is a must (not that I would drive either through the snow). Enjoy your new car what ever you pick!

Also with the 86, you'll get a lot more looks. A lot of people don't know what it is, I get a lot more compliments and "what kind of car is that?!"

Chris C Funny that you say that because I've had a couple people look at my badges (WRX) and ask me what kind of car it was.

JaronAames Thanks for watching! I have a few other concise and practical videos if you're interested. :)

+Thinking Commas Congrats!

+Thinking Commas Got mine last week!

+Thinking Commas , congrats! I picked up a 2016 lapis blue wrx 3 weeks ago and still no regrets. I didn't really trust the new 2.0 motor but performance wise its tuned perfectly and that twin scroll turbo has almost zero lag. If it ends up being reliable I will never regret getting the base wrx

+Thinking Commas how much $ ? Is it better than a 2016 mustang?

STI right??

I put "boosted" in my turbo lawnmower... dont laught ok!

well... those little golfs actually have models with lots of boost :P

The fiesta, the Golf, the Sonic and the Dart are "boosted."

A lot of cars have turbo sure, but it's 200hp i wouldn't call that boosted hahah. It just uses the turbo to make acceptable power. An old Civic Si makes that much hp without the turbo lol. WRX, STI, Evo.. now THAT is boosted.

My brz is not boosted!

the sti box is a fair bit heavier and beefier

Is this possible?

+Asariel Maradiaga it was in 2007 so maybe

Asariel Maradiaga yes its possible actually wouldnt be that hard because they are the same chassis and similar engines ........... although r you going to buy 2 brand new Subarus and tear them apart probably not

David Dipboye I 🚼,,00$$

I'm considering saving up for a hyperblue. Trying to talk myself into a wrx. What I'm telling myself is, I want the extra lsds living out in the corn fields in a place can get a foot or two snow overnight. What I want from the wrx is the mpg. I figure the turbo lag could be addressed in the future with a variable vane turbo upgrade in the sti. So. After a year or so, do you feel the switch was still worth it? Any quick pros and cons?

Oh man this is me exactly actually. I really want an Sti but it may not be best since I qork minimum wage :(

Bruh

so do I :)

+Zalata Japan?

same here, ej207 ftw!

Jack Stewart just buy the Wing and the STI emblem to make your WRX looks like a STI..no one can tell the differece lol

Fair point thats probobly what I would do

+Dino Climaco that would make u a poser lol

Sti= better performance Wrx= more sensible

I would just put an STi spoiled on a WRX, and remove the WRX emblem so I don't look like a wannabe STi owner.

+DoomDash STR 524.

neither is a Black Mans Willy....

neither is an Another Unsafe Dick Infection

C Diff (Clostridium difficile) is something you have to look at everyday sitting in the car coz it's written next to the gear lever in bold letters. Anyone in the medical field will know about it. (But... I still like the WRX STI..!)

Probably an EVO guy

God I love all of these comments 😂😂😂

My brother in law's name is Van Dorr, any relation? Serious question. I know it sounds made up hahahah

You should be proud of yourself! You work hard for what you've earned, and you deserve every bit of it!

And here I am, working 3-4 years, a failure in life, stuck woth parents house mortgage debt, no education other than high school because I'm simply not built for learning in academics, 23 years old, work at a gas station $15 and hour. Wish I had some money for a sport car. 😔

and now you're broke af gambling your remaining dollar in Vegas LMFAO. Should have bought the WRX HAHAHAHAH

+ShotsDesignsHD I average about the same. On my test course I tend to do better, keep it at 65 mph or less, mostly highway.

+ShotsDesignsHD Its a stretch saying it sounds like a honda.......

Bryan Veloso Im not trying to hate on honda's by any means, I own a 2012 si and absolutely love it, I'm just saying for me the biggest appeal of a subaru is the boxer rumble and having equal length headers definitely takes a way from that a huge amount.

+ShotsDesignsHD i couldn't agree more, i own a 2016 WRX! but i used to love the 2006-2012 honda Si's! and again i couldnt agree more about the rumble but if it mean a more reliable but still quick vehicle by all means ill take it! And much love for driving an si and not an ex lol

+KainOriginal it's really not, watch some exhaust videos of them; at idle sure they have the boxer noise but under any sort of load it's just like any other 4 cylinder, I'm talking a nice honda not someones 1.8 liter with a fartcan on it.

and the boxer rumble ;)

Actual wings!

This. This change was not needed. It's part of why the torque band is lower with the newer engine (twin scroll turbo doesn't like UELs) but no one floors it at 2300 rpm and expects a mountain of thrust anyway. Now the WRX sounds like every 4-cylinder boringmobile on the road, in addition to its lack of feel and character compared to a previous-gen. I wonder what mpg the FA20F would achieve were it connected to an STI's beefy drivetrain.

CrazyForCooCooPuffs why mud flaps

TheIronGiant 22 cause shitty Subaru paint, mud flaps are required.

also get the perrin shift bushing

jackson sun yea its on order as well, also accessport with mishimoto intake is coming too, bought a killer b catless down pipe + midpipe from someone on nasioc.

LOL just installed my accessport, still deciding whether I should get the mishimoto intake or not.