The pain will only make the prize that much more appreciated. At this point I am embracing every waking hour the best I can 🙏

Just started day 8. Man 24 mg’s you’re a beast! Personally days 1-3 weren’t bad, days 4-today have been really tough nights. Gotta get up and moving more

I did this one time. Cold turkey from shooting over 24mg of sub. And my skin crawled for a good 30days. That was the most uncomfortable. I took about 4showers a day. Luckily I was at a rehab that time. ❤❤❤❤an amazing rehab that truly felt like home. I was there for 9months.

Day 6 haven’t slept since day 1. Day 1 I had 2 hours of sleep. Day 5 my spirits were way up felt great but after another sleepless night day 6 has sucked

@@SlangingSteve what dose did you jump off from, and how long were you on subs?

@@seekingfreedom9020I was taking 8mg a day for about a year. Then I tapered myself down to 2mg in a month before cold turkey.

This attitude describes my life, thank you 🙏

Thank you! I appreciated reading this more than you know 🙏

I’m learning to walk with love along the way. This series has already made me want to give back to others. Thank you for helping me realize that, and I agree 100% about what you said about the benzos. I thought of that too, it’s been on my mind. But alas, Churchill said it best, when going through hell, keep going.

@@grapefruitsandwich7398 that’s right my brotha! Love that quote!!

Some things were meant to be 🙏✨

I do the same with waking up between 3-5 am. It's been 8 months no methadone. My jump date was July 5 2023. Why did you start kratom if you don't mind me asking?

@@ellen9925 I I had felt my emotions so intensely. I just slipped back into the pattern of trying to escape the feelings instead of feeling them. I’m a month without kratom and feeling amazing! 8months no methadone is AMAZING! Good for you!!!!

That’s awesome man!! Day 12, you got this! So proud of for sharing tips too. At this time I’m focused on a total detox and not taking any supplements as I want my body to really get a chance to be free of everything 🙏 ♥️

@@grapefruitsandwich7398 i hear you bro. I'm a wimp can't deal with hard withdrawal. Keep it up. See you on the other side.

@@nick9341 just being in this process, you are stronger than you know. If no one else has told you that, I’m here today for you.

I’m good. Sleep is the only thing getting to me but I’m trying different natural things to better myself and heal! You are right, 4 hours a night is a blessing. 100%

I’m grateful for you being here and sharing your story 🙏 how long have you been off subs?

@@grapefruitsandwich7398 Thnx man. It's good you have a channel so people can talk about their experiences. I was first put on them in 2008 for a pretty bad percocet habit. They actually seemed to really do the trick. I remember the first time taking one and feeling a warm wave of relief 30 minutes later. Thought the things were a miracle. Unfortunetely I was living with a girl who said she wanted to be clean with me but was still using behind my back. All that relationship did was cause me to yo-yo back and forth between Sub use and drugs. I actually did get clean from opiates for years after that but just substituted my cravings with alcohol. What a disastrous trade off that became. Moral of the story there is it's never a good idea to try and get clean with another user because their slip ups just makes it harder for yourself. From that point on for the next 10 years I was never a full-fledged opiate addict needing everyday until I developed a benzo addiction and started taking Kratom. I was trying to fill some type of void. Long story short the Kratom quit working for me as my tolerance sky-rocketed and couldnt get any more benzo's so I was in trouble. Tried H which I dabbled with before (really fentanyl) because the pill scene was dead. Did that for another year or so and knew I had to get my act straight so I got back on subs only to find out they were not cutting it at all no matter how much I took. Figure it's a culmination of my age (now early 40's) and the harder street drug opiates. I think they probably would still work for some people in the throes of just pill addiction while having a young healthy unaltered brain, but they don't seem to work with Fentanyl that's in everything now. You can't just wait 12-24 hours anymore before taking one, some people still go into precipitated withdrawal 72 hours after last using because the Fent stays in your fat cells. Good luck having an addict wait that long with poor results anyway. Sorry for the rant but I wish they just made me feel normal. Having such a high binding affinity to the mu receptor while only being a partial opioid agonist has basically canceled out any pain relief I might need from something else while keeping me in this low level withdrawal state where I'm constantly depressed with insomnia. I feel no highs and lows anymore, just constantly feeling below par. It really is staggering how many addicts sell their script today. Doctors are basically just handing them out like candy and the addicts just use it for drug currency. The problem is with Fentanyl less and less people are wanting them. The docs way over prescribes them too. The max you need is 8mg-12mg a day. That literally half ass covers 90-92 percent of your mu receptors. 24 mg(double the dose or triple) can only get up to 95 percent and that's it. It tops out. So basically, there was no point in me continuing with subs. All it seemed to do was give me all the bad side effects of being an addict but without any of the good feelings you may get from your drug of choice. Who wants to withdrawal off something that isn't doing anything? Been off them about a year now. I don't know where to go from here. Was in a bad car accident a little over a year ago that has just made everything worse. Take care man.

The fent on the street isn't like the fentanyl citrate medical grade...I used to get the actique lollipops and transdermals for years ....The subs work incredibly..yes you are correct the fentanyl sits in the MU receptor and it literally lingers for 4..5..6 days ...I've been in rehab and watched people go into precipitated withdrawal because the place forced them....I literally watched how unprofessional they were not understanding the new issues at hand w the surge of ruthless synthetic analogues not seen before...I've watched them accuse people that there wasn't any way they weren't ready to take a sub after 3 days.. next thing you know there projectile vomiting crying in the throws of precip withdrawal...For those who haven't experienced it .. essentially peak withdrawal non stop.. IMMEDIATELY cause the fent competes and then removes all the fent from your receptor ... Suboxone works wonders.. even for IV fent users....it's just the introduction into the body that is tricky....

Yeah but if you been suboxone for 20 years that means absolutely nothing. When finally stop after decades of dependency you're brain has become completely reprogrammed. It takes several months just for the acute withdrawals to subside then about another 9 months for sub acute withdrawals to subside. It can take a Year or longer to fully recover after being on long acting opioids I.E. methadone and suboxone for many, many years. The brain takes a very long time to learn how to function normally again without the drug.