When people stop buying these games and spending money on games that have been established as live service since prior to 2019.

​@Bman32x Gamers are terrible when it comes to speaking with their wallet.

And this is why I’m sort of happy that The Last of Us Online got cancelled.

@@StarkEpiphanyYes, there’s a lot of hypocrisy in the FIFA and Call of Duty communities, for example. People abhor the product every year, but they purchase the product every subsequent year anyway.

@@iamskyfallA zombie live service game might be thematically appropriate, at least. Zombies are metaphor for vapid, brain-dead consumerism.

Literally tho. They took the Suicide Squad and said "What If we make then more like the Justice League" Then just make a bloody Justice League Game. 😅😅

Imagine if they just made a Justice League game and in-story, Brainiac manages to inhibit the team from using their full strength, so Superman, Wonder Woman, and Lantern, (AND HAWKGIRL WHERE IS HAWKGIRL) can still fly but only for a limited time. They can use most of their powers, but with far less force to scale the game more realistically. That's not too much of a stretch. They all have long range attacks and melee combat capability, so the gameplay wouldn't need too much of a tweak, but the powersets would be distinct (and established) enough to offer real variety (Superman uses heat vision, ice breath, throw stuff attacks, Lantern has a few FFXVI esque Eikon projections, Wonder Woman uses lasso whip attacks plus a heavy reliance on deflection/parrying until she can close the distance with enemies). Infamous & Prototype showed 2 gens ago this can be done and be enormous fun. You could have Batman be the team member in their earpieces in the Oracle role, and spend time building out his relationship with each hero. I guess Flash's sections would have to be carefully managed set-pieces, maybe with a mix of high speed checkpoint challenges, fetch quests, rescue against the clock challenges, and maybe some quick-time/deadeye-esque button prompts. Then, finally, you could have had a wonderful section where you finally play as Batman one last time, in a dedicated siege and stealth portion of the game, and get to experience one last hurrah and yeah, maybe Batman doesn't make it, but he goes out in a blaze of glory, enough to give Superman and the others their powers back and the final portion of the game is a big stinking destruction fest of boss battles against Brainiac? The end of the game could have been a memorial service for the fallen Batman, and have each surviving member of the team eulogising him and, I don't know, with all the delays it feels like something that could have been slotted in as a final tribute to Kevin Conroy and give players and fans a sense of closure, almost an opportunity to pay respects. I mean... who would want that?

😅

I wonder if they were working on a Justice League game before they got told they're getting Suicide Squad so they had a layout for a very vertical game so they needed to somehow make it useable for street level characters. Pretty sure parts of Gotham Knights was left over from WB Montreal's Suicide Squad game as well. Whenever a game gets canceled, they'll reuse what they can if they can. Saves a lot of time and money.

True, lol.

I think Arcane was dead before deathloop, cept to ign, for some fucking reason

I could've told you months ago suicide squad was gonna be bad they consulted with sweet baby inc ofc it's gonna be ass

And wokeness

​@@Gnadabwhat are you talking about?

It's not the same studio, the name is the same but everyone that made it great have left

Mid 2000s actually, they also made the fps game: Urban Chaos: Riot Response before the whole batman arkham series became a thing in 2009

Some of them, sure. But still same director, some lead artist, same composer and same writer as the other Arkham games. However, they also had a lot of freelance people working on it. Sefton Hill was the Director and Lead Writer until he left 2022.

Bro that group work on both games until late 2022… nothing was much was changed…

And they won't be around much longer from the looks of things....

Sweet baby inc is a bigger influence than devs leaving

Plus it's a young Batman with a black female side kick. Wouldn't even have to race swap or insert lol

​@jetla22 That's the issue I have with these people. They always go out of their way to change what is already established instead of going with different but similar source material that perfectly hit all of their stupid little agendas.

​@@jetla22he had a black female Robin/partner? Last time I looked his brother was his Robin.

@@The_Glazer Which show did you watch? Max Gibson was his partner in several episodes. His brother was a child who had nothing to do with his Batman life. If you pull something from a comic, we're obviously just referring to the show.

@@zee4125 it was the comics in which he became his Robin. Like I remember the girl in question I just forgot that she becomes an official partner, though I do remember that she becomes the (wo)man in the chair so to speak.

I honesty wouldn't spend $20 on this game. I could check it out on GamePass for an hour or so but nothing more.

Not even worth $5

​@DaFro3713 is not worth downloading from Pirate Bay.

I’m having fun on it.. idk why

Anything above $5 is a waste of your money and time...

When trend setters are REPLACED by trend chasers.

And I know people hate sweet baby, Inc for many reasons, especially the FBI investigating allegations and the toxic fans, wishing death on them, so many various faction involved with this game.

​@@robertgray1365Bingo Its not a new issue either and is well documented across media. I man name Miyazaki broke it down to the fact that the older generation wasnt swarmed by media they disnt have Batmans, Spidermans, or Gokus. They grew up raw and base work on life and interactions with real people. The younger generation grew up swarmed with media instead of going on an adventure themselves they lock themselves away cut away from others. These people seek work in the industry however they seek to emmulate the stories they grew up with unappealing characters because since they didnt grow up interacting with everyone they dont truly understand people and thus cannot create beleivable characters in their own stories.

When you change the working parts, you get a different machine. Because the core creatives left, it's not the studio that made great things anymore.

Wow. That was a very succinct way to put it. Good job, and yes, that is what Rocksteady changed into.

They weren't even terrible sections - just too many of them

I certainly was too harsh with Gotham Knights' story

@@Lord_Deimos dude. Same.

​​@@Lord_Deimos It's always fun to watch people get hit with the monkey's paw effect.

@@Thedandalorian42069 yeah they killed the pacing.

To be honest, most of the original crew left and made their own studio so I'm not defending Rocksteady of today. They're not the same

Nonsense. The Rocksteady that exists today is practically an entirely different company. It's run by self-indulgent narcissists and feminists.

Underrated game BTW. The cast is insane.

That game is seriously legendary @@Spectacular1103

I purposefully got Lego to counter Suicide Squad. So much more fun than this, better story, and also stars Batman TAS actors reprising their roles.

Either way, I can't imagine that there's any way you can kill off the Arkham series Batman in a good way in a suicide squad game. The fucked up by claiming that this is in the Arkham verse

THANK YOU. I miss Shayera immensely.

Sounds like we need to learn how to make a video game because that is wayyyyyyy better whatever rocksteady just cooked

Shocking. An unstable attention fiend loses his mind when he gets attention.

Good For Him. People Need To Just Shut Up.

Just looked up his channel Your comment is complete cap As he has a few thousand views in all of his recent live streams. I highly doubt he only has about 5 live viewers per stream

​@@whitetiger0739Starting from you.

Nobody cares about a random youtuber

Respawn and fromsoft are clearly superior to insomniac

@@ryanclark5197 I’m not a huge gamer so I’m only familiar with the biggest mainstream games in this genre. The asylum trilogy and the insomniac Spider-Man games. What games in that category did those developers make that were superior?

@@BM-sg1slrespawn does the star wars fallen order games and fronsoft has the dark souls games. Then there’s Santa Monica (gow) and naughty dog (uncharted, crash bandicoot and last of us) and of course rockstar (gta rdr and bully).

WB games def plays a role in their push for live service or micro-transaction filled games When you have Spider-Man showing how successful it is, a Batman beyond game would’ve gave it a run for its money

The original Arkham trilogy is still better than the Spiderman games. So they still have the crown for the best superhero games ever made. This game doesn’t change that that’s not how it works 😂

nah it may not be the last one, know the mighty number 9 kickstarter?

Yup. Capitalism is killing games the way it killed movies.

Sweet baby inc killed another franchise

@@jhamer18nailed it

It won’t be. WBD is forcing this into all of their games going forward. There’s others in the works that are basically Fortnite with the WB-IP slapped over it

I know... and the last minute addition of denuvo. No one wants your game even for free.

goddamn I felt that too

Very true, it wasn't perfect but definitely the beste way to approach, I enjoyed guardians of the galaxy highly.

Very true I had a lot of fun playing that game even though it was kind of forgettable…the story was really entertaining the humor was awesome and the mechanics were fun enough. I feel like this game should’ve focused on having that engaging of a story..ditched the online competitive pay system and loot and that crap and just had maybe four person playable campaign. Each character should’ve felt very different. Dead shot should’ve been the only one with a gun. And each character should’ve just had their own talent tree to mess with and make each one of them broken in their own ways. This shouldn’t have been open world. Just like guardians you just need cool level design with funny dialogue. Idk when game companies will realize that open world games with empty environments isn’t a good model for most story driven games.

Yeah GOG was awesome. No excuse for this crap

That Gaurdians game was fucking awesome. Would love to see more like that.

Eidos Montreals Guardians of the Galaxy game is awesome

Whhattt ? How so 😮 what happened

@@SolidSnake-bt8eq the cofounders of rocksteady left after arkham knight and created a new studio.

Bc edgelords have always wanted to kill Batman.

Because the writers are stupid

You’d think Batman would have a contingency plan to prevent himself and the JL from being brainwashed by Brainiac.

That's not the fault of them. People are throwing that name around for some VERY disingenuous reasons but forget that they were involved in some truly banger games like God of War Ragnarok and frankly, the banter is not the problem. The problem is the game's core. It's a live service game forced into the Arkhamverse by a blind publisher that seemingly missed every single instance in how this business model crashes and burns.

@@the-aspiring-creator4249 Every game they’ve worked on including Ragnarok has writing issues.

Suicide Squad: Digs a Grave for Rocksteady

I literally just said this to my husband and then scrolled down to see you say the exact same thing. If the whole staff leaves and they hire a new staff, is it still rocksteady in anything but name only? Sad to see the new crew drag their name through the mud.

Which saints row? The old one or the new one?

It's more like agents of mayhem mixed with anthem and avengers What a total garbage fire

Saints Row IV was way more interesting than this game sounds.

Doesn't even look great when you compare it to the Arkham Trilogy from 9 years ago.

Yup well said

I believed that as well until I played the game for myself and realised pretty quickly that there was no possible way of ever saving the League

I'd rather play superman saves the justice league

Hence why Harley lectured bat's like she was better before executing him, the only person who saw her as worth a dam when she was at her worst, while he can't defend himself, and why she cried for wonder woman, someone she'd hardly met

CashGrab 💯% microtransactions

Doesn't help that the writing is bad and don't forget. It's written by sweet baby inc same company worte Alan wake 2 and spider man 2

Sefton Hill and the original team are no longer with Rocksteady. Think that's the problem

Likely those are people that have started playing or have gone into it with no or very low expectations. I mean they still paid quite a bit of money to play the game, they've gotta find some way to make the purchase worth it. I'd say give it some time when people have the opportunity to finish the game and are doing the live service stuff, we're not gonna see many still happy with their purchase

@@the-aspiring-creator4249 games with a big name brand behind it that suck get a pass though aka sports games, call of duty, etc smh 🤦🏾‍♂️ call of duty and sports games are consistently bad each year but the gamers love it and say I’d rather play this then other games I’m telling you the gaming community picks and choose what games to be honest about at times it feels like everyone echoes the popular idea

@@Akeem2real96 The thing is about Call of Duty and sports games I think is that most people know what to expect from them. Like none of the modern CoDs and sports games have really been bad as games. They function at least and can provide a degree of fun. Plus the average gamer isn't usually super tuned into all the controversies and chatter, they just want a game to play and Suicide Squad from what I've seen looks fun enough. But it's also early in its lifespan, right now we're seeing people likely rating when they just started or who have played a little bit into the campaign. Give it time and who knows how the responses will be.