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Summary of UMCGC Plenary for May 3, 2024

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3 ай бұрын

This is a brief summary report at the end of watching the proceedings of the UMC General Conference all day:
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@edwardhuber5442
@edwardhuber5442 3 ай бұрын
The UMC can change all the rules and regulations they want but in the mind of each human God placed a conscience which knows right from wrong. This conscience is not ruled by mans rules and regulations but by the Word of God. Thank you for sharing your expertise and thoughts. You helped me better understand this complex situation. Blessings, Ed Huber
@flourishinglife
@flourishinglife 3 ай бұрын
Well done, Jeffrey. Thanks for all your hard work
@jerryparnell1064
@jerryparnell1064 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the hard work this week for the conference..you did a fantastic job. I am not Methodist, but our son is a youth leader in the Methodist church. It was a real disappointment what all took place this week. Obviously the Bible has no meaning to the leaders anymore. God's word hasn't changed, what was wrong then is still sin now. Thanks again for ur work for the Lord. God Bless you in you work for Him.🙏
@mikehunter6975
@mikehunter6975 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for all you do. Many people appreciate you. I know my husband and I do.
@michelebakker5353
@michelebakker5353 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for all the commentary! I learned so much!!
@BBrown1052
@BBrown1052 3 ай бұрын
God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and The inerrant Word of God is the Authority! Not the UMC! They will see this truth in the future of this wayward denomination, and it will go the way of other denominations that don’t adhere to God’s Word, many of which have preceded the UMC. Thank you very much, Jeffrey!
@lawpreacher2000
@lawpreacher2000 3 ай бұрын
Regionalisation is about two things. Making the Africans think their conservative thoughts on human sexuality are heard and they are allowed to do what they want. But really it is to put more money and power in the hands of the Rich American Minority.
@FrmrVolFire
@FrmrVolFire 3 ай бұрын
The UMC is choosing apostacy
@user-iz6mj1gy9o
@user-iz6mj1gy9o 3 ай бұрын
Watching replay. We love and appreciate you. Prayers for you, your ministry, and your family. Leslie Parks of New Covenant Church, Edmond, OK
@kennethsanders1694
@kennethsanders1694 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your hard work.
@getworking5652
@getworking5652 3 ай бұрын
I am curious - did the UMC change their stance on abortion?
@Home2Tennessee
@Home2Tennessee 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for review. I’m not even Methodist, but if I was, I would quit. Exactly what happened to the Episcopal Church. Sad.
@seanchen9265
@seanchen9265 3 ай бұрын
Malaysian here. We would like to tell you that Methodist Church in Malaysia will follow Global Methodist Church. Indeed so wrong in so many area. I believe a lot of Asian Methodist Churches will follow too.
@eileenthrift8259
@eileenthrift8259 3 ай бұрын
Sean, I am curious: Is your church able to separate from the UMC? Does Malaysian law work in favor of your church and other churches in Malaysia? May God bless you and your church as you discern your future with the Lord's help.
@seanchen9265
@seanchen9265 3 ай бұрын
@@eileenthrift8259 most Asian countries dont welcome LGBTQ+ especially muslim countries. Yes, it is part of our laws here too. Most chinese also dont have this in our culture.
@seanchen9265
@seanchen9265 3 ай бұрын
@@eileenthrift8259 if every methodist in the world got to vote. Actually LGBQ+ is on the losing side. It is just a minority in the methodist community.
@seanchen9265
@seanchen9265 3 ай бұрын
@@eileenthrift8259 indeed our country works in the favour or i would say most Asian countries law too. If every methodist in the world is given the chance the vote...the outcome will be different...
@lawpreacher2000
@lawpreacher2000 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for your prayer for my Mother in law earlier. Her oxygen intake is still low.
@32212Steve
@32212Steve 3 ай бұрын
You don't get to make new rules, but then tell people they don't have to follow them. My pastor told our youth pastor that when she said she was going to continue teaching biblical marriage and ethics for confirmation. The pastors response was "follow your conscience" and she was decided then that she wasn't staying much longer. What's the point of a rule book if you don't need to follow it?
@DougFrantz
@DougFrantz 3 ай бұрын
Yes, thank you so much for all the work you put into not only the last two weeks, but all the time leading up to it. I am looking forward to some of the general Methodist playlists you're working on!
@DoktorRotwang
@DoktorRotwang 3 ай бұрын
Goodbye UMC; hello Orthodox Church.
@mcconn746
@mcconn746 3 ай бұрын
I disaffiliated. I am praying for the remaining UMC members...especially those who would like to leave but the UMC leaders made it impossible.
@tiffanyeddy6356
@tiffanyeddy6356 3 ай бұрын
I know several churches were waiting on what happened at GC before they made a decision...but now they cannot.
@mcconn746
@mcconn746 3 ай бұрын
@@tiffanyeddy6356 If they can't have the Church and people, they want the money. UMC leaders are crooks...just my opinion.
@user-bi9fu3gl1p
@user-bi9fu3gl1p 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the work. Your commentary certainly helped me. I hope the legal issue went away. The O'Jays, in verse 2, suggested telling "all the folks in Russia and China too". Somehow I don't think Russians and Chinese will be too interested in the UMC / LGBT "love" train. It would be great if the bishops did as the O'Jays recommended in verse 3: 'Tell the folks in Israel too". The UMC cannot, however, bring itself to describe Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Could they not go to Gaza and ask Hamas to show a bit of love to their hostages (e.g. by setting them free)? The love God is interested in is "from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith" (1 Tim1,5). God defines what "good" and "pure" is. Only His definition counts on the Day of Judgement. I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of any delegate who helped redefine marriage and open the door to practising homosexuals. John Wesley was quite explicit in his Notes on where such people will spend eternity.
@lindawork3542
@lindawork3542 3 ай бұрын
I am at a loss at what to say. My whole life has been spent in UMC. I know I’m not the only person who feels this way but it still HURTS. I think the best that I can say is that I understand better now what the role of the church should be. I am grateful for your work to enlighten people as to what was happening before, during and after the conference. The most disturbing part is the changes that just rolled over the membership and expecting members to like the changes because a faction says it is great and you are so wrong if you speak up and question that this is wrong. Just saying something is good and wonderful DOES NOT make it a truth. As my daughter says you can put lipstick one a pig but it doesn’t make the pig pretty! This conference was not pretty. Thanks for your efforts and God Bless.❤😢
@amordei6999
@amordei6999 3 ай бұрын
Let us see how long their elation last when churches continue to leave, possibly including Africa. Let that sink in with all this talk of revival and a renewed church.
@rachelanne268
@rachelanne268 3 ай бұрын
There is no revival without the presence of the Holy Spirit...also calling yourself a church does not make you one. These folks are now of another faith... To be Christian fundamentally means to follow the teachings of Christ.
@pastordoogie8438
@pastordoogie8438 3 ай бұрын
Please be kind to your Pastor(s) and remember they are trying to minister to everyone & share the Gospel. Don’t confuse your Pastor with the actions of either General Conference or your Annual Conference.
@mikehunter6975
@mikehunter6975 3 ай бұрын
Clergy should not decide if “ other” marriage should be married in the church. I think the congregation who pays the clergy should decide. The congregation is the local church.
@xyz5765
@xyz5765 3 ай бұрын
And you can bet gay couples will sue if the pastor doesnt
@playbluesman1
@playbluesman1 3 ай бұрын
ACLU attorneys will make a bundle of money
@mikehunter6975
@mikehunter6975 3 ай бұрын
Actually, marriage in the church except between man and woman should not be allowed, but it will happen. Sad. Traditional congregations with a liberal pastor will not work out very well.
@playbluesman1
@playbluesman1 3 ай бұрын
Ripped a lot of pages from God’s Word. Will make Satan very happy.
@joer5627
@joer5627 3 ай бұрын
Love train? A good Charles Wesley hymn, I guess.
@revjbarth
@revjbarth 3 ай бұрын
How much of 2702 (chargeable offenses) was changed/removed?
@plainspokenpod
@plainspokenpod 3 ай бұрын
Only the portion dealing with the definition of sexual immorality was changed, to my knowledge. All the other chargeable offenses stayed the same.
@revjbarth
@revjbarth 3 ай бұрын
@@plainspokenpod I heard both (a) & (b) were removed?? a) immorality including but not limited to, not being celibate in singleness or not faithful in a heterosexual marriage; (b) practices declared by The United Methodist Church to be incompatible with Christian teachings, including but not limited to: being a self-avowed practicing homosexual; or conducting ceremonies which celebrate homosexual unions; or performing same-sex wedding ceremonies; Is this true? If it is, then no clergy can be tried for ANY sexual immorality?!
@davidlivingston6566
@davidlivingston6566 3 ай бұрын
Not going to pick at everything, but for clarity we were all being polite with our applause for the GC staff. There were definitely some folks who deserved applause. The local host people were great, for example. We all know that a tremendous amount of time was wasted.
@plainspokenpod
@plainspokenpod 3 ай бұрын
David, I mean this: You are very kind to watch my stuff and consider my words after all the things we have disagreed about. I'm really sad that we find ourselves on opposite sides of this divide.
@davidlivingston6566
@davidlivingston6566 3 ай бұрын
@@plainspokenpod I fundamentally believe that Jesus wants to draw us together. I still believe in your heart.
@AnnaBanana1701-A
@AnnaBanana1701-A 3 ай бұрын
I’m sorry the UMC had to be so petty with streaming the GC
@JMP829
@JMP829 3 ай бұрын
Could you please explain what the regionalization plan is about?
@eileenthrift8259
@eileenthrift8259 3 ай бұрын
Basically, regionalization separates Africa, which has grown to be the majority, from the US. This allows the progressive UMC leadership to control the UMC both in the US and Africa. It is so obviously wrong.
@eileenthrift8259
@eileenthrift8259 3 ай бұрын
Basically, regionalization separates Africa, which has a majority, from the US. This allows the progressive UMC leadership to control the UMC both in the US and Africa. This is obviously wrong.
@mikehunter6975
@mikehunter6975 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@eileenthrift8259 agree with your reply
@RichardDCook
@RichardDCook 3 ай бұрын
@@eileenthrift8259 If I were faced with such a bold-faced disenfranchisement I would leave the UMC immediately. It's been made clear that the Africans aren't welcome to the table (in spite of the saccharine-laced speeches we've heard).
@JMP829
@JMP829 3 ай бұрын
I agree this is totally wrong. Just to clarify, does this mean the entire USA would be only one region?
@jimlewis5477
@jimlewis5477 Ай бұрын
Does the UMC think they can change what God wants for us. How exactly do they twist the bible to justify what they are doing?
@jocelynbocking6097
@jocelynbocking6097 3 ай бұрын
Please look into the Fair Use laws, especially the 2017 ruling between Ethan Klein and Matt Hoss. Your commentary on the proceedings are enough to fight copyright claims, because this content has become your content with your extensive commentary. I know that you don't want to go into a legal battle, but Fair Use in KZfaq has already been established in the content creator's favor. Also, I am not a lawyer, just chronically online enough to remember this important ruling!
@plainspokenpod
@plainspokenpod 3 ай бұрын
Super helpful comment. Thank you so much!
@eyesopened1874
@eyesopened1874 3 ай бұрын
Lawlessness.
@RichardDCook
@RichardDCook 3 ай бұрын
At 9:03 climate change??? How is that a Church matter? Mark Twain said all that needs to be said about climate change.
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