Exactly...... If I going to spend the money (I already did) Im going Orion. Just got Skar to check out. If it sucks it was only like $125... I want Skar and Orion to team up. Orion Shop and you can buy Skar and pay to have them install it. I could sell it all day long. Orion costs this much but if you can do it yourself like you say you can then check out Skar...

I appreciate it

People will talk bad about Sundown and I never figured out why. I absolutely loved my X15 and my sa15. Amazing company.

Sounds a bit skeptical..... To absolutely crush 4 15s by 2 15s.....

@@girirajdhyani4661 It happens.

@@keithmagnifico4164 I still can't believe and won't.....it's already hard to match twice the surface area, even with a lot of power..... I think it can be matched, and can exceed a bit, but no 2 subwoofers are crushing 4 subwoofers of same cone area when 4 are not jokes, and vxf are inferior to sundown xv2 by quite a bit, but not to an extent this guy is portraying.... He is exaggerating his experience and that we don't know about their cabinets being used, nor do we know if he is even telling the truth at all !

@@girirajdhyani4661 Sometimes the enclosures be the true culprit to this happening.

The older xv2 is probably similar to the vxf but sundown is just a step above. The vxf is my favorite skar sub though

Similar, yes.

You ain't paying for a name.

Your paying for quality, don’t go with the shitty skar.

@@AudioAddict. agreed except my x18 v3 just blew on half volume on 6k split to two of them the other ones fine so I’m hoping I can get a new one on the 2yr warranty I just got it a month n a half ago they absolutely smack tho I have a video on my channel of when they were both playing

I’ve owned two sets of star vxfs and I’ll say that it isn’t just the name, I feel like that’s why they hide some of the sub stats. They are so good that they don’t give secrets

@@samdudevery7695 look at sundown zv5 they just copy sundown the maker of skar was a sundown employee uses there parts and sells them cheaper n takes competition some models are there own but all the good ones are sundown knockoffs only thing not the same is dust cap spacer and coil which I think are just the older sundown coils

False

@@bassheadfoster8376 Nah, it's accurate. Jacob has told the story several times by now.

No the vvx Jacob design when Jacob found out about the ddx he was extremely pissed at Kevin because it looked very similar to the sa.

@@BenaresDarkness in sundown after dark podcast jacob himself said he oem the ddx and ivx for kevin. its on episode sundown vs skar

@@rowboyto156 I know I've watched it twice from start to finish.

@@rowboyto156 On that video go to 26:19 Jacob says vvx v1 series not ddx put on headphones or earbuds.

@@BenaresDarkness yeah i thought heard ddx lol. i never even heard of the vvx line till now

I'm sure tons of companies use similar materials because there's only so many ways you can make a sub

Yeah Kevin of skar did try and copy the sa and Jacob was not happy when he found out.

Or it could have been the vxf... But I'm leaning towards the DDX.

Was the vvx

Custom made. Concept enclosures made it

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I can't remember what I said lol

And then I went to a X10d2 with a Sfb 3000 watt Sundown amp! It’s night and day from Skar but they are great for beginners and budget builds.

I use to have Sundown x15v2 subs , sold that setup and few years ago and now I have the zvxv2 15s and they are a lil louder ,they don't play as low but I play down to 25 with no issues and they are Taking a Crescendo bassclef 8k with no problem at 1 ohm. I will say Sundown makes great subs no doubt but I'm louder now then I was on the X subs and the X got stinky a lot on the 8k and the zvx quit stinking after about 2 weeks of beating the shit out them. I never got the X subs to not stunk and get hot as shit playing them. Both boxes are built to sub specs and both box where tuned to 32 hertz. Sundown could sale more subs if they didn't cost a shit ton when you can get other subs that are just as good for a fraction of the price. I use to be that Sundown nutt hugger but not any more.

@@berto371rr If you where a sundown nutt hugger then you know he can't lower the price. Also you did something wrong with the Xs because I've seen 2 on 10k in person and never once got stinky or hot.

@@BenaresDarkness I've only been doing this shit for over 25 years. Pretty sure I didn't do anything wrong install wise,, It could have just been from the music. I have a USB drive I listen to my zvx with so I know what hertz I'm playing didn't have that with the X subs and I played a lot of low tuned songs no telling what hertz some of them where could have been the problem. Who knows I like these zvx though beat hard af

@@berto371rr Could have been idk but I just know I've seen them run on a lot power. I'm currently waiting on my Resilient sounds team 15.

raise up!

Main reason why I don’t like them. I know how much I can put to a skar subwoofer because it says so.

@@daniellucero4687yep sundown does that to make you think that your getting more than you payed for. That’s why their more pricy. But the truth is you could get a sub that can still take more actual power and sound just a good or better for cheaper. Take fi hd vs the X.

I will consider anything that sounds and performs good. I haven't looked heavily into anything. Especially now that sundown handed over this x15v3

Rms means nothing, I would say for sundown add 50% to their rms ratings. There show van had a scv 7500 on each zv5 woofer

Don't debate. Definitely get it lol

Try a sundown you won’t go back to skar other than for a budget

@Ian Willmott when you do you’ll regret ever saying that

@Ian Willmott people wish skars are 90% or the time entry level car audio people that think blown subs were because the amp was so good are that the song did it not knowing a think about there electrical now people like me that know there stuff can make a skar sound damn near as good as a sundown but it still won’t sound the same playing them lows n mids

@Ian Willmott skar has those too claiming there skars are louder when there basically a cheap version of sundown it’s back and forth hate so you can’t blame it on one side

You can. The money you would use to buy skar, save it Wait however long you need and get what you really want

Don't really have a reason to be bias. I have no loyalty to any of these companies

JL audio is great but tends to be a lot pricier

@@Kpaceguy oh, they are like the Apple of this segment

@@eyeshezzy you can say that

i have the 13.5 w7 and x12 rev1. the jl can be in a small box and bump, the x12 doesnt sound good in a small box. when you put them in a spec or bigger box the jl has more excursion but the x12 is louder. jl uses copper voice coils which is good for sq but its heavy which is not good for spl and handling high wattage, 1500w is their max. x12 uses cca voice coils which is great handling high amount of wattage its also lighter than copper so it has better spl, the sq to my ears is the same as the w7. jl uses odd ohm loads, the w7 from 8-12 inch uses a single 3ohm voice coil and the 13.5 is a dual 1.5ohm voice coil. sundown is the typical dual 2 or 4 ohms. one thing i found strange is the baskets, the w7 feels cheap. it looks very thin and fragile compare to how beefy the sundown basket looked

JL is SQ only.

Not if u on a budget

@@expired3725 I am not.

@@winfield347 exactly. I like sundown I’ve heard there subs there are just never gonna be budget friendly

@@expired3725 I agree.Just save those pennies

@@expired3725 buy it used. i dont buy my stuff new. if the product is known for quality then theres no reason it will break on you. i bought a w7 and x12 for less than $300

I didn't buy sundown because of price tag. But after having the Sundown for about 6 months I won't go back to skar

Aah shut up stop the 🧢 bum🚪👈🏾

You sound dumb AF