Man I'm really glad you did this, I feel like alot of the DBS fanboys underestimate how strong this form really is......

My Favorite SSJ4 Goku Line: Looks Like There’s No Need To Play Games…Alright Then I’ll Go At Full Power!

Damn this thing just made me like SSJ4 more now

This could honestly be a low ball tbh. As every time someone tanks a hit without taking damage, you only give them a 2 times multiplyer when it could be much higher

Good to see that you're coming back in full force Broku!

Ssj4 ssj and ssj2 are the best look transformation and the most meaningful

*Thanks my dude! This is a great low ball to add to the others I have!*

Glad to have u back dude, next time u could maybe do ssjg and blue

Considering this is my favorite transformation in dbz I appreciate the video

Damn Broku, your channel isn't much bigger than it was a while ago. You're super underated.

Can't wait to see that next video!

I don't use the A x B fusion multiplier, but using that multiplier from the Super Exciting Guide, and using the Anime Comics Guide, the SSJ4 multiplier is relevant to the Power Level of Buu Saga Super Vegito ÷ Buu Saga Base Goku's Power Level (Before he got his plot-convenient power-up). This means the SSJ4 multiplier ranges anywhere from the hundred billions to the quintillions, which is reasonable for SSJ4.

Remember the cell saga goku and gohan exited the time chamber in there super saiyan forms as there base forms now imagine if Goku and vegeta trained super saiyan 4 as there new base forms like goku and gohan did And then they learn god ki well I don't wanna have that smoke

my new fav channel

201 likes 0 dislikes the Broku comeback is a certified hood classic

I need to see the math for all this, but i just might watch it again and do it myself later. Nice video too.

This was an amazing video Broku oh and I actually have a question for you, will you make and updated version of the god forms multipliers or no?

the anticipation for what i believe to be the prophesized return of broku72 welcome back didn't see you for almost a year or months

SSJ4 is kinda underrated

Yep Super Saiyan 4 just seems to be a very underrated form raw power wise.......

3:41 In cooking, a smidgen is equal to 1⁄32 teaspoon or 3.125%.

Great new video bro! 👍 1 problem though Remember that baby Vegeta got 1,000x times the specific amount of blitz waves. Wouldn't that mean the true golden Oozaru is 1.5x ssj3 I dunno what you mean

I would love to see broku72 do a what-if Kid Goku and Kid Vegeta gain the memories of Goku and Vegeta from the end of super and the end of GT when Goku meets Bulma for the first time

I wish u posted more often

My head canon multiplier for SSJ4 was 5000x base. But this video makes me rethink that

Now let's combined that with super Saiyan god. That would be unstoppable.

Actually in episode 35 of DBGT. SSJ4 Goku is Able to break out of great ape baby grip so I wouldn't put ssj4 initial below golden oozaru baby. The 10x Kamehameha has a delayed effect kind of like soul punisher. So imo that's a weird thing to use as a base.

I think this is a fair assessment

Nice

I think power levels went out the window long ago. It's now just whatever makes it cooler to watch. 😅 I've been watching Dragonball for like 21+ years and remember when it was easy to keep up. Once buu came around I realized number based levels were out the window and never coming back. Lol 😆

Hypothetically, could Super 17 (DBS, DBGT, & DB Heroes) become the strongest if he absorbed every ki blast in Dragonball?

SSJ3 and SSJ4 are my favorite transformations

I remember the old dragon ball GT goku powers

I usually think of base ssj4 as a 500x multiplier and I'm open-minded about it being much more powerful due to potential for oozaru being combined with higher ssj grades than grade 1 and because the golden oozaru is being essentially compressed which would equate to a higher density of ki in the body

I never realized how much math was involved in Dragon Ball power scaling.

grade 4 couldnt be even near 500x boost. If SSJ is 50x and SSJ2 is 100x, then Grade 4 is some where in between. Th BEST estimate we can probably give is a 75x boost.

SS4 is stronger than god SS. It is capable to rival SSB. Not only it looks OP, its the most powerful saiyan transformation without divinity

My Favorite Line Of Goku in SSJ4: “Light Breaks The Darkness I Have No Limits!”

Indeed it is much more powerful than we thought

What’s the multiplier for ssjg and ssjb? Is it as strong as ssj4 or does it pale in comparison to ssj4

Is it stronger than Golden Ozaru but as strong but only controlled?

Don't forget this also depends on the person's power level in base, their power level could be 1 and the multiplier could hardly change that. "The person's base power level is the foundation to the amount of power presented" -me

People keep forgetting about super Kamehameha which he has been using since fighting piccolo jr. Its 10 x kamehameha in power. And 10 x kamehameha is 10x that. So its 10x stronger than people think.

Still my fav form.

I wish you would do a which is stronger ssj4 or ssjb

How strong are ki blasts compared to physical attacks?

For me, mastered super saiyan is super saiyan but it’s always at full power since in the fight against freeza the power gap was around vegeta vs monster zarbon so my guess was super saiyan needs to charge up during fights like the super saiyan grades but not as much, so mastered super saiyan seems like it’s just super saiyan but always at full power

My theory is that Golden Oozaru is the same power level as SSJ4 but SSJ4 have control of that power (kind of like how Jiren would beat Broly)

The best conclusion is that ssj4 is that is as strong as fp ssj broly. Not only that they are almost the same transformation,but they both have amaizingly high jumps in power

1:43 please which Guidebook ?🙏🙏🙏

Hey i know the comment is late but a smidgen in cooking is 1/32 teaspoon so he is actually more like 32 times stronger.

Goku in the Baby fight even says that a weakened SSJ4 Goku + SSJ3 GT Gotenks would be weaker than SSJ4 Goku at full power.

I always thought ssj4 was a 100× multiplier from ssj3 and "ultra full power" as another 100 base on the fact that Goku under gone the great ape transformation again despite the fact that he has already attained ssj4. I don't think the "full power" state is a multiplier but just him going back to 100% power.

Super Baby Vegeta 2 is stronger than he let's on, because by possessing Vegeta he combined his own Ki with Vegetas

The x2 argument can work but it's when we talk about a special technique which is the energy barrier. It could be higher or lower to tank hits without it, but probably higher. Problem is, this argument usually don't work in the DB Universe as character that had like, 30% more power difference than their opponent would decimate them. So I'd say it's rather inconsistent. As for the SSJ3 Goku vs Baby argument, I think you forgot about the powerup Goku got from getting his tail back. He was then able to briefly fight against Super Baby 2. (even if he got overwhelmed) His Golden Great Ape makes him able to fight back though. Then the Super Saiyan 4 form clearly overwhelms Baby. If we go by the logic that the tail upgrade was a bit too weak (being only a x400) and Golden Great Ape was good enough, (being x500) this makes me think that the SSJ4 form isn't that much of a multiplier. Personnaly, I always thought the SSJ forms worked like this : SSJ = x50 SSJ2 = x100 (50x2) SSJ3 = x400 (100x4 or 100x2^2) SSJ4 = x6400 (400x16 or 400x2^2^2) But hey, it all comes down to head canon at the end. Funny thought how, based on my calculations, Goku landed exactly at enough strength to destroy the Milky Way when he first reached SSJ4. (I did a whole calculations based the two events that translate power level into mass destruction which are Roshi destroying the moon and Vegeta claiming he'll destroy the Earth, which both fit well)

Honestly this is one of the issues I've had with GT among others. Scaling is hard but GT threw a monkey wrench into it, pun intended. With "ultra full power" and the SSJG like ritual, then Super 17 and the dragons, things are just all over the place. I always saw "full power" SSJ4 more like amped SSJ4 due to the others' energy. Then Super 17....sigh....then the dragons being uber strong for seemingly no reason other than plot convenience. The fan manga Dragonball Kame is zany as hell but still makes more sense than GT so I consider it the real post Z DB. Worth checking out. If you can't find it online or translated, Mondo Cool has a vid covering it. Either way, Awesome vid Broku. Glad you're back!

Broku, what if Goku was born with Freeza’s potential?

I’m gonna make a scaling here, the one I kept using, I believe Oozaru Bebi & Super Sayia-Jin 4 Kakkarot/Goku are almost close in power. This is inspired by the Supreme Duo scaling and I’m gonna take into an account that Kaioshin’s are usually wrong sometimes from Sayian Scholar. Kakkarot/Goku: Super Sayia-Jin 4 - 40,000, x10 Golden Oozaru Golden Oozaru - 4,000, x10 Super Sayia-Jin 3 Super Sayia-Jin 3 - 400 Base - 1 Bebi Vegeta: Golden Oozaru - 40,000, x10 Super Bebi 2 Super Bebi 2 - 4,000, x4 Super Bebi 1 Super Bebi 1 - 1,000, x2 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 / 4 Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 / 4 - 500, x50 Base Base - 10 Super Sayia-Jin 3 was bested by Super Sayia-Jin Grade 1 / 4 who’s x1.25 stronger which I believe is said to be a high-balled. Bebi transformed into Grade 5 and then Super Sayia-Jin 3. Putting Bebi at 4,000 in total. Bebi was matched or was threatened by Golden Oozaru, maybe it’s slightly stronger but I’ll put them at the same number. Kakkarot/Goku became Super Sayia-Jin 4, x10 greater in this scale so to me is a little use of the x10 increase against Bebi. This is my opinion, I’ll still go with this multiplier for regular version.

Keep in mind that Goku x10 Kamahamaha did Damage him. You have to remember moment after they were able to knock each other out just by punching each other... keep in mind Goku was damaging him before and after using The x10 Kamahamaha in round 1 Trivia: The Blutz Waves only restored baby vegeta to his full power it did not increase it, which was stated in the Japanese version. I remember in the Gt Perfect Files that Buu saga SS1 Vegito would be comparable to hypothetical Buu Super Saiyan 4 Goku/Vegeta. That's right a hypothetical Super Saiyan 4 Goku in Buu Would Rival Buu SS1 Vegito.

What if baby went super saiyan 4 ?😮

you can actually combine god ki so it can be ssj4god ssj4blue

Not only that, but Goku has form in GT is a lot older and far stronger than any other Goku

SUPER SAIYAN 4 IS ALWAYS BE MY FAVORITE SAIYAN TRANSFORMATION SS4 IS JUST A BADASS

Would ssj4 look cooler with black hair or golden hair?

What about gogeta ssj4 and limit breaker form

I don't think Oozaru Baby was that much stronger than SSJ4 Goku,i think you need to re-watch the fight,yes he is stronger but the gap is really small if i recall correctly Goku even tanks Baby's strongest attack head on with minor damage. And to all these guys saying "this could be a lowball" No it absolutely isn't in fact this is an astronomical highball,If SSJ4 is that much of a multiplier on top of Base he would have wiped out Baby with a touch,considering SSJ4 was new to Goku if it had that much of a Multiplier he would barely be able to control it just like he had trouble with SSG. Actually considering GT Base Goku is as strong if not stronger than end of buu saga SSJ3 Goku this kind of Multiplier would make SSJ4 > SSG which we all know is most definitely not the case,however i do agree that SSJ4 is heavily downplayed i dont think it is that big of a deal its been years since people used the "its a 10x multiplier on top of SSJ3" We will probably never know the exact number but in my opinion it is at the very best a couple million times Base as a UFP SSJ4.

When someone goes great ape it's multiplier is 10x and super Saiyan multiplier is 50x then if you multiply them Then we got golden oozaru 500x multiplier

So here’s my newerer scaling of regular Super Sayia-Jin 4. Super Sayia-Jin 3 - 1 Super Bebi Grade 4 (silver hair) - 2 Super Bebi Grade 4 (powered by the hybrid’s) - 10 Super Bebi 1 - 20 Super Bebi 2 - 80 Super Bebi 2 (asborbed the power from Earth, I think) - 400 Revenge Death Ball - 800 Super Sayia-Jin 4 (not even a smidgen) - 1,600 Super Sayia-Jin 4 (max power, not Full-Power power up) - 80,000 So my S.S-J.4 multiplier is x32,000,000, which is x80,000 S.S-J.3.

Well there is an agreed upon measurement of a "smidgen". It's 1/32 of a teaspoon. A smidgen is 3.125% of a teaspoon. That means Goku only used 3.125% of his power, so how would you do this considering that instead of 20%?

I thought that golden ozaru was 500x multiplier because of ssj1 50x multiplier and ozaru 10x multiplier

Pin and answer: What are the SSJ4LB and FPSSJ4LB multipliers?

No one : Every dbz youtuber : SSJ4 IS STRONGER THAN U THOUGHT

The Kai's said he wasn't even using close to a fraction of his power

smidgen mean small amount mathematic that mean goku actually use 0.0315%

Khalil super saiyan 4 transformation

I think excluding the feats ssg has in bog ss4 would be stronger off of multipliers.

It will take Goku Granolah and Frieza using MUI to take on Golden Great Ape Ego Vegeta.

I like ssj4 gogeta the most ohh and limit breaker ssj4 vegetto and broly

Wait 1.8 billion times the base form :O..................... That's crazy strong Crazy doesn't even start to explain how much power ssj4 has 😎

oh damn. I didin't know Broku was doing more videos. Well...Its a good video. But I disagree. for this example let's say SSJ3 GT Goku is a 1. For starters, when talking about the "2x greater power needed", your clearly looking at the Barrier Technique. So it makes more sense to use the differences between Vegeta and Cui, the "25% domination boost". This would cut your initial 16x boost to a 10x boost. Using this boost again, since Baby Vegeta was CLEARLY scared of Golden Great Ape Goku, this would put Golden Ozaru at a 12.5x multiplier. GT Goku (SSJ3): 1 Baby Vegeta GO: 125 And thus, if Baby Vegeta is able to tank a 10x Kamehameha from Goku (assuming it is a 25x boost), Baby would have to be 31.25x stronger then SSJ4. However after the delayed 10x Kamehameha attack is fired, Baby fires a Super Galick Gun. IF Baby was that much stronger, Goku should have died even with his increased durabillity. But they both ended up equally exhausted. This means that you can consider the two of them equally matched. Putting the initial multiplyer of SSJ4 to 12.5x Golden Ozaru, and SSJ4 from SSJ3 125x boost. At least initially lowballing. Theirs's one more thing I'd like to mention though. SSJ4 dosent have a true multiplier. It's even said in the GT Perfect File that it's a "Limit Breaking Form". Thus why their are so many different variations of SSJ4, similarly to how SSJ2 can have the same power as SSJ3 (different because that line has a limit), Goku just hasn't accessed the full power of SSJ4 because their is no limit. Hell before he reaches his "Ultra Full Power SSJ4" Gohan himself says Goku would die from teh amount of energy he was receiving and SSJ4 Goku was completely fine. Thus making SSJ4 a limit breaker, and the best form in dragon ball (considering his resistince to Nova's heat, having what seems to be Ultra Instinct before Ultra Instict, and the body being able to adapt on top of it's limit breaking power). But hey, it was a good vid. At the end of the day Dragon Ball is whatever you want it to be. Hell if you think about it, DBS isn't made by toriama so what's actually cannon anymore? I came along back when...I think it was "What-if GT Goku had Super Saiyan Blue"? Or was it God KI? I don't remember. I left because you quit KZfaq and I was pretty sure you were done for sure. So you know, just clean out my subs (i was subbed to 300+ channels and didn't watch a whole lot so im sure you understand). I'll have to catch-up on what I missed!

I don’t like the god forms, ssj4s design is a bit weird but it’s very good still Much better than the god forms that just have different hair colours

Imagine SSJ4G (Super Saiyan 4 Limitbreaker) which is 5,000 times more powerful then what this video has shown. 🔥

A smidgen of power would be between 1 to 5% of power

But everyone knows that the reason why ss4 is so good is because...THE FUR!!

how about limit breaker

The multiplier of the ssj 4 is not ×10 because because Super Saiyan 3 Kaioken 20 will be stronger than Super Saiyan 4, so I think the multiplier of this transformation is ssj3× 1000

There are 3 different variation, SS4 FPSS4 UFPSS4. Base Goku = 1 SS3 Goku= 400 Baby Vegeta = 800 Super Vegita 1 = 1,600 Super Vegita 2 = 6,400 _ Super Vegeta 2 (Revenge Death Ball) = 19,200 SS4 Goku (20%) = 38,400 SS4 Goku (100%) = 192,000 So SS4 is a 192,000 multiplier? No. SS4 Goku (10x Kamehameha)

*DEBUNK* The Transformations that baby Vegeta takes Upon Our his teen and adult forms. This has nothing to do with the Saiyan Transformations at hand. They only briefly said it resembles Super Saiyan 3 for very ambiguous reasons. Probably because of the eyebrows or something. Baby Vegeta was able to absorb energy from Goten and Trunks, Gohan, Bulla. Everybody here is far stronger than the energy that is taken in during the Battle of Gods film. The energy itself bare minimum far surpasses the gap between Super Saiyan 1 and Super Saiyan 3. If you were to go any higher than it would surpass the power of Super Saiyan 3 potara Fusion simply because Super Saiyan Goku with all of this energy complemented it as incredible but was only worried that he wasn't a god. Goku had two goals which was to surpass the maximum potential he could unleash at the time and become a god. Mind you Goku never suggested becoming a Super Saiyan God at first but instead he tried to find the Super Saiyan God and when he had to become one himself he then realized that he was going to get some energy absorbed which means he understands he may not be getting just one energy boost. Baby also absorb the energy of the entire planet's population which includes the Z Fighters and we know they are definitely really strong too now. So baby really got at best 2 potara Super Saiyan 3 increases stacked on top of each other and whatever boost from his teen and adult forms. That total increase will just now be applied to baby as a great ape as well and Super Saiyan 4 Goku was stated to be equal to him. The whole part of the tanking the times 10 Kamehameha wave is it because he actually tanked it but the energy was just absorbed into his body.

Baby vegata is ultra instinct

It’s not milllion multiplier, perhaps you misspoke, but those numbers are wrong my man

I think ultra supersayian 4 is around God transformation

I personally think SSJ4 is _just_ under SSJG in terms of strength/power. Full Power and/or Limit Breaker SSJ4 would match it.

When SSJ3 Goku Fought Beerus on Kai's planet for the first time. He didn't even make Beerus flinch. Now lets assume how much stronger Goku in his Base form is after 5 Years time skip after training with UUB in hyperbolic time chamber for number of times. BASE GT GOKU is probably stronger than SSJ3 Goku that fought Beerus. Now quick reminder. A GT GOKU SSJ3 couldn't even hurt Baby Vegeta... After that Goku turned SSJ4 and same Baby Vegeta that was unable to even damage Super Sayan 4... The gap in power was too great. NOW... Imagine how much more powerful SSJ4 became at the end of Shenron Fight. Same Shenron wouldve one shotted Baby Vegeta and Previous version of SSJ4 Goku.... SOOO... to make it CLEAR. IF INSTEAD OF BEERUS DRAGON BALL SUPER GOKU WOULDVE MET THE SSJ4 GOKU of GT ENDING. SUPER GOKU COULDNT MAKE HIM MOVE. Even if SUPER GOKU gained that RED GOD form he still wouldn't stand a chance. Because GOD KI ALONE isint anything special. SUPER showed this multiple times when Goku fought regular foes that has no idea what GOD Ki even is but still overpowered Goku like its nothing. Same would happen if he had to face SSJ4. I can't believe this is still debatable. People are ignorant AF SSJ4 is FUCKING STRONG. If u hate that fact... not my problem deal with it.

So......... would that mean ssj4 goku is stronger than EVEN BLUE KAIOKEN ×20 GOKU

Limit Breaker is an iteration too but…super dragon ball heroes is super dragon ball heroes 😑

So let me put this in numbers, if the ssj1 is 50x from base then ssj2 is 2/4x and ssj3 is x4 of the previous one regular oozaru is 10x from base. Fuck it i will use the regular jpanese knowledge that was used back in early years of 2000 to 2004 base 0 normal ooz 10x ssj1 50x ssj2 2x ssj3 4x ____ golden ape has to be a minimum of to 5000x base to 15.000x base and i will explain why here. dont forget that goku ssj3 has no effect on base baby vegeta he was humiliated by first form baby.. yet oob base was enough to fight last form baby vegeta and then as majuub putting up a fight then goku came back with a tail and boosted and was still nothing as baby said he hadnt increase in power or just that baby was too strong to even make a comparation here, and lets not forget that babi vegeta absorved all the negative energy of the entire humanity and saiyans and strong humans and namekians to become 2form of baby vegeta... thats a huge boost in power for baby alone and OOB is close to his leagues or a few times weaker.. and this is why golden ape must have a big multiplier from base because theres a huge gap between ssj3 vs base baby vegeta to 1 form baby vegeta to absorving all of humanity and strong warriors to 2 form baby vegeta.. So if oob was able to fight off 2form baby or also majuub that means that Adult goku ssj1 or ssj2 would be able to fight easily second form baby vegeta... as ssj4 goku was doing. Golden ape baby would either rival full powered adult ssj3 goku either close or stronger or weaker. Going from golden ape to ssj4 to fssj4 or ufss4 is a big differences in power or multiplier also. also each arc that followed by his new base form had become as strong as his previous ssj4 believe it or not and thats shown when everyone fights super 17... hell 17 was fucking with enraged ssj2 vegeta who was previously boosted with machine waves and beaten and had zenkais all over his body when fighting as baby vs goku.. Also Majuub was or has toyed and destroyed by surpressed Super 17, and by the time goku fights super 17 as a ssj1, this Super 17 had absorve countless of powerfull KI blasts and special attacks from everybody... So that alone proves that if goku had start the fight vs S17 his base or ssj1 would easily murder Super 17... So Base Goku S17 arc >> SSJ4 Babi Vegeta Arc And the same follows for Shadown dragons Arc where his base was now stronger than SSJ4 Super 17 ARC... Goku is just insanely powerful in GT but feats were not given or added because its a 90 show anime focused in fighting giving the limited time they had to run the anime in 64 episodes.

If SsJ4 was in Super I'd make it stronger than ssj God but weaker than blue

Well I disagree with you that's just a low-ball that most haters like to make most people that like to downplay Super Saiyan 4 from the official guide that stated that Super Saiyan 4 is a limit breaker rather than a multiplier now don't get confused with Dragon Ball super and gt there's an entirely different between stating a multiplier then just describing someone's hidden power

GT Goku isn’t weak compared to both Super Manga Goku or Super Anime Goku

Super Saiyan 4 Limit breaker would Actually be a little bit Stronger Than Super Saiyan God