I was thinking the same

totally

I employ you to KZfaq Koenigsegg test driver miata and watch him floor his miata around the Nurburgering.

its an mx5 not a miata

beshjs same car

"Professional" driver not wearing a helmet. Seriously smh.

***** it's an mx5, it's too slow to even crash

The AE86 of Mt. Akina says the idiot with AE86 in his name.

The AE86 of Mt. Akina my mums one would boost off that porsche its 2006 mazda roadster 2 litre fuel injected twin can and has 800 HP

+geoff "resident" racing driver not "professional" racing driver.

you're not the only one

+InBoostWeTrust7MGTE It seemed to me that he, for lack of a better term "sandbagged" the lap in the miata. The comments about the braking, or the perceived lack of braking made it seem that he maybe blew it on purpose.

Yeah, it is called "sand bagging" Purposely lifting, or not braking hard enough because you've made prejudgements about the brakes. He even made a statement (starting at 5:20) to the fact that he didn't trust, or think the brakes were as good as the boxter, He (imo) may not have known to what extent the brake upgrade was, or maybe just under estimated the braking power. I've taken courses at Bondurant, and Frank Hawley. I do know something about fast driving, mainly because I DO IT. Not just sit and throw insults when My ass gets chapped over an internet comment. Come back with some numbers then we can talk. Or keep on being twelve years old and living in your moms basement playing NFS and thinking that it makes you qualified to comment to grown ups.

And I'm sorry if "Sand bagging" was taken as meaning "Cheating" in this instance. I meant it as he may have been...lets say worried, about maybe putting the car into the gravel, or maybe even into a barrier. It is a co-workers vehicle after all. So I was thinking maybe he lifted prematurely, or drove more conservatively than he would in the more proven platform (boxter).

+InBoostWeTrust7MGTE I enjoyed his commentary comparing the cars plus and minus while driving each.

How did you come up with that 15%? The width alone is over than 20% more than that of the Mazda tires.

We both are 8 years too late but the miata tire size chosen is not a good size for track driving. Its usually a 205 width for miatas that want to see track time and road use. Anything smaller is usually for being cheap or drifting as we saw. Putting to the side that its a common practice to make one product look bad to make another product look better than it actually is, the miata driver was driving really bad. Regarding the driver, if you know you have less grip, obviously you match your speed to the tire's limits instead of drifting each corner each time thinking itll grip better next time. He did it so many times that its no wonder he had a slower time. If he actually slowed down to prevent traction loss, he would have actually reduced his time a few seconds too. Im very confident in that.

10 second gain* Edit nvm I realised it was 1:23 not 1:26

Satisfying yes but at a cost when you could have that same feeling but have a decent car like a SLK ok or BMW Z4 or even an older Porsche Boxster for the same amount of money they spent and tuned MX5

@@ashleynew5499 show me that BMW Z4 for 5k

@@ashleynew5499 The Z4 and SLK are both significantly heavier than the MX5. They would have no chance on track

2 years late but the cars mentioned are significantly heavier and significantly more expensive to maintain vs the miata. On top of that, they would never feel as sporty as the miata because the weight could never be dropped to miata levels. They would be more comfortable on a road trip though.

I see you, regular car reviews reference.

You need a cookie.

Headlights go up, head lights go down..... Head lights go up.... head lights go down... Up... down... up... down... up down, up down, up down..... updownupdownupdownupdownupdown.....

4:54- TRACK DAY BRO BRO TRACK DAY BRO BRO GOING TO TRACK DAY LETS GO TO TRACK DAY BRO 5 SETS OF TYRES BRO YOKOHAMA BRO HOOSIERS GOT SOME HOSIERS FOR THE TRACK DAY BRO BRO YOU COMIN BRO CONES GONNA TARE IT UP LEFT FOOT BRAKING BRO BRO COME AND GET A ROLL BAR LETS-Lets kiss.

It creates girl boners.

All the oversteer! Ugh!

Po 66 what are you talking about: he was clearly doing the warm up lap, and then changed his watch, and started the timed lap. All in one cut! :D

He even said you have to drive it like a historic racecar. If you've ever seen someone pushing an older car his driving was definitely not as jerky.

Probey 76227 gripping would had made it slower because braking and gripping would put more pressure on the tires

I actually don’t know anything about cars

Miata is a momentum car, if he had not slid the car so much I think it would have been much closer. Perhaps even faster. Spend another five grand and it would dust the Porsche for 60 k less.

@@paulfretz9486 Momentum car means you need to drift more than high power car.

@@largelampard3721 tf u hear that from?

@@recklessrickey9513 My timer.

Do it!!

+Seb J and im like i should sell my nissan suv

+hassanito hajj you won't regret it but more fun in a mk1 then the mk2

I had the same though about the Boxster. 1999 model in my town right now for $9800.

Im working to fix mine. By the end of this year, I will be posting videos

The car's suspension setup looks too oversteery. maybe a stiffer front would solve the problem.

Yeah, I suppose, I still think he could've got a better lap time.

***** It looks like after all I possibly won't be getting a miata and I'll be getting a 93 impreza sedan. I can't find a Miata that is worth any time nor money where I'm living.

possibly not though. I might have to keep looking around.

Yeah, I'm going to look at it sometime this week, I'll still be able to do a lot of stuff to it. It's only $1200 so it's not very expensive. I can't find any Miata's for that price nor even $2000 that are running or worth that much money.

Na, If he got lighter wheels, he would've had better 0-60 as less rotational mass = faster acceleration which would've helped quite a bit, if he also had an exhaust he would've had more power, also should've swapped the 2 pot calipers for 4 or 6 pots from another car

The driver said it had tons of grip and needed better brakes. Got to remember - this is a low weight car and does not need wide tyres so much.

@@andrewnorris5415 Would still benefit from a slightly wider wheel set up and judging by the way it oversteered every turn, maybe a beefier front swaybar as well.

@@samraymond215 yes to the Sway Bar ....;-)

At least the wheels, 6" stock is too narrow for for a 195 semislick

Must be the same place where they sell 1K mx5s in same condition. lol

If you actually knew what you're doing with the miata you could make it faster with 5k

@@Triple88a lighter wheels, a turbo kit and a bolt in roll bar would've been better for the track

Speak for yourself...

@Elliot Rodger I did lol Far below $5k. Running, driving, supercharged 2000 Evolution Orange. Rotrex S/C, intercooler, aftermarket exhaust and no leaks in the top. All I had to do was install the bumper(I think he wanted to show off the intercooler), register/insure it and drive. Definitely not the average buy but, they're out there. I've seen several running, turbocharged Miatas for under $5k, as well.

IIproductionsII NA6 MX5 ^.^

IIproductionsII You have missed the point completely. People who build Miatas for the track tend to spend the fortune saved on track time, proper driving skills, and safety equipment, easily making up the time and even passing noobs in R8's, Caymans, etc. Boxster is a GREAT car but..."prestige"? That is synonymous w/ "poseur."

Just remind me....how much better is Porsche in terms of luxury, refinement, comfort, equipment, safety, handling, reliability, efficiency, etc.?

derbigpr500 Slightly better in terms of luxury, unless your 6ft a miata is a comfy little car, and handling, you can get a Miata to handle better than a boxster if you put some money into it, equipment wise there's bells and whistles to them both, but I could care less about a radio and a bunch of doo-das, safety wise it all depends on the wreck or accident, reliability a Miata is a more reliable car that will run into less issues and is a large amount lees to work on and fix, and a boxter which is pretty much the cheapest newer model porsche is $35-40k more than a miata. I think I'd rather buy a Miata before I'd even consider buying a porsche boxster. Not to mention I know a woman with a Porsche boxster and she would rather drive her other cars and doesn't seem to care for it as much as you'd think. All together if you buy a Miata, and put $10K into it you'll have a more reliable, and way cheaper car. But hey, if you got the money, you can do whatever you want, I'd say get a 911 turbo way before get a porsche boxter. Also a 1.8l Miata, and then a 2.7l porsche, and the Miata almost got the same time. So really it's kind of a personal opinion on what you'd rather have.

derbigpr500 maybe less than how much it costs over a Miata. Then again, if money is not a problem...

Sounds like you've got the best of both worlds! I had thought about selling my miata ($4000 USD) and save up for a Porsche Cayman. Looks like it makes a lot more sense for me to keep the miata for fun drive/track day and buy the Cayman for daily and occasional spirited drive to keep the overall maintenance cost down.

That would be the way to go if you're trying to keep expenses down and fun level high. That track day in the Cayman adds up in routine maintenance costs, then add in the longer term maintenance like clutch and brakes...... The Porsche is not a cheap car to keep on the road. If your Goal FUN and you're a weekend warrior not a pro, the Miata would be my choice. And don't misunderstand I LOVE my Boxter. To give you one more example of the Porsche expense: I had a small understood trim clip go missing, a piece that should cost $.99, Porshe doesn't make the clip available (it just slides into a small receiver) and you have to replace the whole panel $250. The dealer was doing it under warranty, or it would not have been done, the new panel came in broken. The dealer let me slide out both clips before taking the panel back. All were happy in the end.

Or you could just sell the $5,000 miata and use the money for Porsche maintenance and drive it harder and be able to have more fun in the Porsche all the time. A stock 90 Miata is nothing like a 2013 Porsche Boxster, to let the Boxster sit and drive a Miata because of maintenance costs is absurd.

lifehackertips My Boxster doesn't sit except in winter. The cars are in two different States both are driven and enjoyed!

Elliot Check I bought mine with 4500 miles. I didn’t pay that low though. Mine also has a hard top. Has no power steering, no air con, no power windows an LSD a sports exhaust all from factory. Weighed it and it weighs 1875 pounds full of fuel.

PS I should have checked first….more like 25% heavier. My mistake, but still 25% is quite a bit. One also has to wonder if those hp figures were dyno'ed since 196 hp from a Sebring Supercharger is very much on the high side (one assumes extra big pulleys and boost, but wonders about engine management etc to support it…not a strong suit of the Sebring setup). Fun vid though!

People usually go with a bigger tubular front sway bar to reduce oversteer.

No, they ruined it with that crappy coilover setup, 2 piece shock coilovers lack travel and handle pretty bad, ohlins too

Because that would have put them over the stated budget of 5k quid.

Tires would have cost the same and a set of 15x9's would be all of $500 which would have been WAY better bang for the buck vs. some of the other stuff they got.

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I own a RX8 and that's pretty sweet, I hated the MX-5 up till a few weeks ago when I started working on a few of them and now I'm looking at buying one and using the RX8 as the track toy (192 5 speed stick shift, I'm also buying a Phanton Blue Evolve 231 6 Speed stick shift RX8)

@Joe H If the run videoed is the actual run for the time, he bogs it down when leaving the line, that's a few tenths there alone.

Yes, I couldn't agree more! The NB MX5 has torsional rigidity range of ~5,200 to 5,500 Nm/deg (not good) versus 987 Boxster (12,600 which is ok for a convertible). 987 cayman is 31,500 which is excellent! Interestingly a Mazda RX8 is 30,000 and the equivalent convertible, ie. NC MX5 is 8,132. It shows that convertibles are not the answer! My brother's MX5 had the full bracing kit from Flying Miata which helped a bit but I think a full cage is the answer

@@richardggeorge Yeah but a full cage for the road is illegal and dangerous, I got a GC fab half cage in my NB and that's the way to go for max stiffness in a road car, I think the torsional rigidity is at least double of the stock number now

@@fastslapterence5904 nice 👍

yes they did, watch part one where they tune up the car, they mention the ECU

We call it a manifold here and he said there was one in the pile of parts. Dunno about the rest of the system.

@@buggs9950 He installed a new intake manifold for the SC but didn't touch the exhaust side.

Probably not. Cause the exhaust tip isnt changed and nobody just changes exhaust manifold and dont change the tip

Carbon fiber wrap for an additional 420hp and 69% better suspension!