Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut | First Time Watching | Movie Reaction

Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut | First Time Watching | Movie Reaction | Just Tell Her!

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We continue our Adventures with The Man of Steel. The Mrs watches Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut (2006) for the first time. Here's her reaction.
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@YouMeTheMovies 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you... ALL! For telling us that wasn't Jaws. 😉 Also, seeing a lot of people commenting about why we watched this cut over the Theatrical cut. We had a poll a couple weeks ago with nearly 4,500 votes. The Donner Cut won handily with 71% of the votes. Which is roughly the amount of filming that Donner finished. 😁The Richard Donner Cut is also the most widely available version to buy on home media right now. It was in the sets at both Wal-Mart & Target we looked at the weekend before watching this. I've had all cuts of the film in my library for a while. Also, we learned that there is a second version of the Donner Cut with about 5 minutes more footage, most of which was actually shot by Lester. This is the version you get when you buy it digitally on Amazon/Vudu/etc.

@Wungolioth 2 жыл бұрын

I think you need to watch the Richard Lester version first to put the Donner cut in context, and frankly, I just like the Lester version better, even with the janky bits.

@wkanost 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the Donner cut. It never ceases to amaze me that the producers wouldn’t bring Richard Donner back to finish the film. Especially after the box-office success that the original was. Just a side note: Steven Spielberg was their first choice having scored a huge hit with (wait for it) JAWS! Ironic huh? He declined because he was getting close encounters ready. Guy Hamilton was another choice that would have been good too. He directed, Goldfinger, The Battle of Britain (which I love) and The Spy Who Loved Me. All very good action films but Superman was Donners best film IMO. Thanks!

@smdownh9 2 жыл бұрын

the theatrical cut changes things so its important

@jedijones 2 жыл бұрын

I think it was cool to watch this one first. But I would watch the theatrical Superman II before you move on to Superman III. For what it's worth, Superman III was made as the canonical sequel to the theatrical Superman II. So you kind of need to watch it next to stay straight on the canon of the original films. Also, you get a lot of new Margot Kidder scenes in the theatrical cut. The different intro, different ending, and different scenes at the hotel all add a lot of Kidder, which the Mrs. should enjoy.

@jayb2k11 2 жыл бұрын

That's a shame because the Theatrical Cut is far better. And, it doesn't have those jarringly mismatched scenes. Lastly, the scenes when Lois discovers Superman's identity, and when she realizes she can't be with him, are emotionally devastating in the Theatrical Cut; not so much in the Donner cut.

@wkanost 2 жыл бұрын

“Non” was played by Jack O’Halloran. He was a real heavyweight boxer in the 60s and 70s. He fought George Foreman among others. JAWS was played by Richard Kiel and was in quite a few movies starting in the early 1960s.

@thatdrewrivers 2 жыл бұрын

Jack O’Halloran was also Amil Muzz in 'Dragnet' and Simon Moon in the underrated Chuck Norris film 'Hero and the Terror' :)

@ghosthead84 2 жыл бұрын

@@thatdrewrivers Just the facts Ma'am.

@thatdrewrivers 2 жыл бұрын

@@ghosthead84 Well, Muzz, I guess it's just you, and... me... and your balls... and this drawer! XD

@TheYoungDoctor 2 жыл бұрын

Apparently he was offered the role of Jaws but he turned it down.

@bioshock6935 2 жыл бұрын

You beat me to it i was just about to say that

@francisalbert1799 2 жыл бұрын

I love The Donner Cut but “Would you care to step outside?” So much better 😂

@Pinkielover 2 жыл бұрын

freedom of press so stupid...lol

@Pocketrocket-pj1us 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I was going to mention the same thing. Both versions have good and bad things about them so I find it tough to choose one over the other. I just thank the movie gods that we get to see both versions. There is lots of deleted content from other movies that was destroyed or lost by the studios. Kubrick's deleted scenes are a good example. Another would be the extra gore in some of the Friday the 13th films. Cheers.

@johnnyskinwalker4095 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@SJHFoto 2 жыл бұрын

I actually just commented about that line. But I actually like the Lester cut better anyway-I grew up with it

@michaelmacias8 2 жыл бұрын

The thing is that scene was directed by Donner. There was no reason to switch it with another take. This is one of the reasons why I feel the Donner Cut wasn’t handled right.

@loudboy317 2 жыл бұрын

The ending made more sense in the theatrical version because spinning the earth backwards would not erase anyone's memories. In the 1st film, Lois and Jimmy still remembered the earthquake in California and the government is still aware that Lex Luthor sabotaged the 2 nuclear missiles which is why he's in prison with Otis. Plus, Superman would not go back to the diner and pick a fight with the bully if he knew that the bully had no memory of him. I wish the movie had kept the "would you care to step outside" line and Superman carrying the american flag to the white house.

@jackspry9736 2 жыл бұрын

RIP and long live Christopher Reeve (September 25, 1952 - October 10, 2004), aged 52 And RIP and long live Margot Kidder (October 17, 1948 - May 13, 2018), aged 69 You both will always be remembered as legends.

@thereturningshadow 2 жыл бұрын

Richard Donner is dead too. And Ned Beatty.

@ComeOnIsSuchAJoy 2 жыл бұрын

@@thereturningshadow Huh, I somehow totally missed hearing about Beatty dying last year. 🤔

@g3o5d 2 жыл бұрын

I really like Henry Cavill as Superman & Brandon Routh was ok. But for me, Christopher Reeves will Always be Superman. And yes, the other 8, including George Reeves were also very good.

@donovanmedieval 2 жыл бұрын

@@thereturningshadow And so are Gene Wilder and Richard Kiel.

@thereturningshadow 2 жыл бұрын

@@donovanmedieval I'm gonna believe that was sarcasm based on them getting the actors wrong in this.

@zvimur 2 жыл бұрын

BTW, no, Non is not played by Richard Kiel ("Jaws"), but by Jack O'Halloran .

@SJHFoto 2 жыл бұрын

It was only years later that I learned that Jack O'Halloran is from the States. I always thought they made him mute to hide the Irish accent (which, frankly would sound farcical in a villain to many American viewers)

@Reemoun 2 жыл бұрын

Never before saw that Donner version. Favourite line by Lex Luthor: " Even with all this accumulated knowledge, when will these dummies learn to use a door knob?" :D

@MMAfighter38113 2 жыл бұрын

Ironically, even though Donner filmed that scene, it’s omitted from his 2006 cut.

@thereturningshadow 2 жыл бұрын

Reeve's hair and glasses changed during the reveal scene because those were the screen tests footage used for this cut.

@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond 2 жыл бұрын

His glasses are different because that was actually footage from a screentest, part of Margot Kidder's audition process. Wasn't meant to be in the movie, but Donner never had the chance to shoot it properly. Also the actor playing Non wasn't Jaws. Jaws was played by Richard Kiel, Non is Jack O'Halloran.

@dan2007kohn 2 жыл бұрын

That’s why they should have watched the theatrical version. It would have eliminated the continuity questions. Mr and Mrs are casual movie watchers not the super fans that this was directed to.

@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond 2 жыл бұрын

@@dan2007kohn agreed, the Donner cut should only be watched if you've already seen the theatrical version imo.

@misterprickly 2 жыл бұрын

Fun fact: The artificial snow used in the fortress scenes was sea salt. It was so corrosive that it ate through the shoes of everyone who stepped on the set. -Marlon Brando left the film along with Richard Donner, so in the theatrical version, it was Lar-el (mother of Supes) to interact with out heroes. -Sarah Douglas wasn't *completely* comfortable with Gene basically spooning her during the flight scene, hence her throwing him to the ground when they arrive at the fortress. -Jackie Cooper (Perry White) was part of the *original* little rascals. He even played Spanky's older brother in some episodes. -Terrance Stamp (Zod) played the voice of Jor-el in the Smallville series. Personally I liked the opening setup, the Brando moments and certain fight scenes in this version more *BUT* I like the personal moments and ending of the theatrical version better.

@jadejewel6586 2 жыл бұрын

Smallville is Amazing! Christopher Reeve guest stars before he passed away. Slight spoiler, but the show was so great having him in it!

@bradbarter8314 2 жыл бұрын

Terrance Stamp also had a small role as Chancellor Vellorum in Star Wars The Phantom Menace and Sarah Douglas had a guest appearance as B in the second season episode of Space: 1999 The A/B Chrysalis as well as a few episodes of V The Final Battle as Supreme Commander Pamela at odds with Diana about pretty much everything.

@NightRanger-lz6tp 2 жыл бұрын

Margot Kidder and Gene Hackman were so upset over Richard Donner being fired midway through that they refused to come back for reshoots out of loyalty to Donner. As a result, Kidder's role was heavily reduced in Superman 3 and Hackman wasn't casted at all.

@integrity101 2 жыл бұрын

Margot Kidder was upset but she did a ton of reshoots.

@jscan4442 2 жыл бұрын

@@integrity101 That just shows the star power of Gene Hackman vs. Margot Kidder in the late 1970s.

@alucard624 2 жыл бұрын

Hackman was the one who didn't come back. Kidder did but she wasn't afraid to speak her mind about he she felt about it. Ilya Salkind stated they didn't bring her back for Superman III except for a small part because they wanted to go in a different direction with Lana Lang instead as the Salkinds and Lester thought the whole Superman and Lois story was played out. Hackman only came back to do Superman IV at the behest of Christopher Reeve. Same with the rest of the supporting cast of the first two films. Too bad Cannon Films screwed them all over with a subpar film.

@smittybenzo4693 2 жыл бұрын

The window pane (pain) joke was even more clever than most think. Wifey thinks Hubby accidentally played part 1 again in which Hubby's original window joke was made so his witty mind kicks in and he repeats the joke.....Brilliant!!

@seanbumstead1250 2 жыл бұрын

Keep the jokes coming,they are great 😂 I have never seen this cut before

@hairywelder5188 2 жыл бұрын

The fallout from Richard Donner not finishing this movie can be seen in part 3 cos Margot Kidder was sidelined and Gene Hackman was left out completely ( if I remember correctly both spoke out in support of him )

@SJHFoto 2 жыл бұрын

Behind-the-scenes stuff aside, I was glad Hackman wasn't in the 3rd movie. I love his acting, but there is such a big rogues gallery in the comics that I always thought using Lex Luthor in 3 of the 4 films was overkill.

@shainewhite2781 2 жыл бұрын

This is the version Donner had in mind before he was fired from the project.

@nateisler3 2 жыл бұрын

I've never once seen this version as much as I've watched Superman 2 when I was younger

@Gizmondo84 2 жыл бұрын

So I've just realised I've never seen this version before but from what I see, think I prefer the other, my fave was always Ursa, burned in my brain is when she throws the manhole cover at superman, always loved Sarah Douglas! On a side note it's Routh like South not Ruth 👍

@Angelvalare 2 жыл бұрын

me too, this one messed me up :(

@jasoncar1469 2 жыл бұрын

I too prefer the original, the rewinding time again part was dumb and created plot holes. The kiss wiping here here memory , was kinda silly but better fit in the story.

@Dystopia1111 2 жыл бұрын

Saw this movie in theater when I was just 5 or 6 years old, Sara Douglas may have been my 1st kid crush. She was also awesome playing 1 of the alien commanders on 'V' a few years later.

@bradbarter8314 2 жыл бұрын

The one scene that doesn't make any sense is the second time Clark goes to the diner. In the Richard Lester version time wasn't reversed and Zod and gang stayed in the pit, the fortress of solitude wasn't destroyed and Superman only took the memory from Lois so she wouldn't be a nervous wreck and Superman as Clark went back to the diner to settle the score. However in the Donner Cut Superman reversed everything so everyone at the diner wouldn't know him or the initial fight and so it was extremely petty of Superman to fight a guy who now has no idea who he is. And the owner of the diner wouldn't get the reference to Clark saying he's been working out.

@Dularr 2 жыл бұрын

@@jasoncar1469 That is the point. The first Superman movie wasn't planned to have reverse time. After filming both parts. The producers made significant changes to part one. Such as the reversing time.

@lazyperfectionist1 2 жыл бұрын

6:17 "Why not just be honest? He _wants_ her to _know."_ The more people who _have_ a secret, the harder it is to _keep._ Better to keep a secret to as few people as _possible,_ no matter _how_ much you trust them. This is probably a lesson Clark has had to _learn,_ first _hand._

@Malum09 2 жыл бұрын

The time rewind was the original ending of this one but Donner moved it to end the first one and he would think of a new one while filming it but he got removed before he came up with a new ending

@allengator1914 2 жыл бұрын

You never questioned how someone whose flesh is so impervious that bullets painlessly bounce off of it can feel a snakebite.

@TheCell111 2 жыл бұрын

You should still let her watch the theatrical one too.She may like that more then the donner cut.

@mcentepede 2 жыл бұрын

The Donner cut is much better...mostly because of all the plot holes it fills in. The theatrical cut made little sense as a whole. Mind you, the Niagara falls scene was great(probably Lester) other than that, Donner fills in the holes (Bomb from first movie actually freed the Krytonians, Zor-el gives Supes back his powers, etc)

@johnnyskinwalker4095 2 жыл бұрын

I agree yea. The theatrical is so much fun even though some of the stuff makes more sense in the DC. I think she will like the TC more. I like them both basically personally.

@johnnyskinwalker4095 2 жыл бұрын

@@mcentepede There's still a perfect cut to be made putting them the best of the two together. Like I would keep the Niagara fall scene instead of the falling from the building one. But I would keep her shooting Clark rather than him putting his hand in the fire. I always loved Superman 2 but when I saw Jor-El giving Superman back his power by touching him in the DC, I was astounded. I could not believe they had removed that from the TC. So freaking great. The main thing I did not like about the DC was the ending, going back in time again. I'd rather Lois live with the pain of knowing she can never be with Superman.

@EtherSword 7 ай бұрын

@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Keeping the cut that she shoots Clark makes no sense, he would notice she shot a blank cause he's superman (he would see and feel it) and still pretended to keep up the charade. Him accidentally putting his hand in the fire isn't perfect either but he still had to fall over as a human would and not make any unnatural super moves to avoid that fall. (Yes, I'm a year late.)

@johnnyskinwalker4095 7 ай бұрын

@@EtherSword Nevermind that, the visual of the scene is too great lol

@weirds0up 2 жыл бұрын

The original filming of 2 was done back to back with the first one in order to save money. They did the same with 3 and 4 Musketeers. Also, Gene Wilder might not be in this movie , but his sometime collaborator Richard Pryor shows up in part 3

@jedijones 2 жыл бұрын

Gene Hackman's witty dialogue as Lex reminds me a lot of Gene Wilder's in Willy Wonka. Lex mocks Otis the same way Wonka mocked the kids.

@betsyduane3461 2 жыл бұрын

Recaps in film were an important thing. Remember there was no internet, video stores, on-demand or even cable TV in most households. So most people had not had any memory other than what they recalled form two years before.

@NeroTheEmperor 2 жыл бұрын

Its not actually the guy who played Jaws in this, that was Richard Kiel. Non was played by Jack O'Halloran, who about 6 inches shorter than Jaws.

@bankbarcomo806 2 жыл бұрын

really?? dang!, are they related?

@johnberg9497 2 жыл бұрын

6'6" - 7'2" is 8 inches, but close

@hairywelder5188 2 жыл бұрын

The original Superman opening credits cost more than most movies budget at that time 😳

@johnlittle7473 2 жыл бұрын

Margot Kidder is the real highlight of this series. I'm from and still live in Niagara Falls, and our local comic convention had her taking pictures and signing autographs in front of the falls shortly before the pandemic put the con on hold for a few years. It was a pretty natural appearance to have scheduled but a lot of fun nevertheless.

@nigeltrotter2886 Жыл бұрын

23:24- Perfect delivery on that "Kneel before Zod!" Perfect acting, sound, intensity, body placement. So great.

@ChristopherMcCullah 2 жыл бұрын

The solo angle on Reeve in the test screening was HIS TEST. The parts with Margot Kidder was her test, against Reeve for the chemistry between them.

@terryhughes7349 2 жыл бұрын

Good reaction. I like both versions. The theatrical was a shorter and snappier (more humor) which is Lester's style (he directed Beatles in Hard Day's Night). Donner's version is an interesting curiosity and entertaining, too. You might want to check out Christopher Reeve in "Deathtrap" with Michael Caine. It is a comedy/mystery that is very humorous. Was filmed around the same time range.

@alucard624 2 жыл бұрын

Somewhere in Time with Reeve is worth checking out too. Another good one that not many people have seen is Street Smart with Morgan Freeman.

@noneya3635 2 жыл бұрын

He's also good in Village of the Damned remake.

@BolofromAvlis 2 жыл бұрын

For me, he was "my" Superman growing up. For that time, I thoughjt he was perfect. I remeber seeing him in other things, like Death trap and Remains of the Day. After his tragic accident, he went from playing a hero to actually being one through his activism and the way he lived. One oif the few "celebrity deaths" I can remember crying over. I read somewhere that after his accident, his old friend and college room mate Robin Williams covered his medical expenses.

@theubercaste 2 жыл бұрын

Somewhere in Time, as well.

@GodlessScummer 2 жыл бұрын

A few years ago I met Sarah Douglas who played Ursa in this movie. She kinda got typecast as a villain as a result of this movie but she's actually really nice in real life.

@bartondonnelly5293 2 жыл бұрын

The actor who played Non ( the big bearded mute) was played by Jack O’Haloran. The actor who played Jaws in the James Bond movie The Spy Who Loved Me was Richard Kiel.

@johnberg9497 2 жыл бұрын

Also Moonraker

@Hum0ng0us 2 жыл бұрын

Around 13:34 I believe those scenes were taken from an Audition or rehearsal so things are a bit wacky. They had to find extra not quite finished footage to fill out the Donner Cut.

@van8ryan 2 жыл бұрын

The scene where Lois "Shot" Clark were actually audition tests for both Christopher Reeves and Margot Kidder, which is why there's different glasses and different hairstyles for Clark.

@elbirrioso Жыл бұрын

Reeve.

@TheBillABCTV Жыл бұрын

Also if you watch Donner Cut with the commentary from Donner and Tom they explain the original ending for Superman the Movie was superman putting the rocket into outer space. The turning back the world was originally meant for superman II.

@bsgtrekfan88 2 жыл бұрын

Holy crap last time I was this early, He was clean-shaven! From Cape Cod, MA WOO WOO! Also repeating the "dumb" joke and her reaction....priceless ;)

@fidel2xl 2 жыл бұрын

Great reaction. And fun fact --- The actor (Terrence Stamp) who plays General Zod, also voiced the role of Clark Kent's birth-father 'Jor El' in the TV series 'Smallville'.

@KevyNova 2 жыл бұрын

He was also Supreme Chancellor Valorum in Star Wars Episode I.

@shannonjefferson874 2 жыл бұрын

Love the vids guys keep them up

@grantsutherland7943 2 жыл бұрын

Richard Kiel played Jaws, the actor who played Non in Superman II was Jack O'Halloran

@Dularr 2 жыл бұрын

You can also tell story elements from Superman 2, they moved to the first Superman movie. For example reversing time.

@scottarooni 2 жыл бұрын

I grew up watching the theatrical cut, and it was one of my favorite movies as a child. I remember seeing the film six times in the theaters. The Richard Donner cut is cool, but what I saw growing up will always be my preference.

@shanester1832 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't think it's just out of nostalgia either. It's just a better put together piece.

@Trademarc1977 2 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@KevyNova 2 жыл бұрын

I also saw the theatrical version upon release and grew up watching it but I honestly haven’t had any desire to watch it since the Donner Cut was released. I think the Donner version has a MUCH better story and it’s the only version I watch now. If I ever do watch the theatrical version again, it’ll just be for nostalgia.

@SJHFoto 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I said this as well. I still have the complete trading card sets of the first 3 movies (For you young'uns, back then home video was EXPENSIVE, so popular movies with kids sold trading card sets with stills from the films. The first 3 Superman movies, the Star Wars trilogy, ET, V, the A-Team, and others were all trading cards)

@wkanost 2 жыл бұрын

I saw Supes II at a drive-in! It was fun and kind of camp but had great villains.

@ShawnRavenfire 2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about "Supergirl." It takes place in the same universe as the Donner movies, and Superman was supposed to play a big role in it (at least, before about a thousand last-minute rewrites, and probably some during-filming rewrites).

@onepcwhiz6847 2 жыл бұрын

Zod gets Ms Tessmacher's "Stamp" of approval.

@bigpace 2 жыл бұрын

Now I love the first 2 of these but number 3 has a special place in my heart and should be watched.

@shanester1832 2 жыл бұрын

III ain't bad, especially in the last 20-30 minutes. Good vs bad fight, robot cyber-zombie lady, cool crazy stuff. Yet another 80's movie that drastically distorted my view of what computers were capable of.

@metalmayhem3622 2 жыл бұрын

It was my favorite movie when I was around 2-4 years old. I wore the vhs tape out, my aunt had another one and I wore that one out too. When I was 5 I used to wear my underwear outside my pants and go to my friends house like that.

@alanmike6883 2 жыл бұрын

You two are really great. I'm thankful the algorithm recommended. Very hard working with content and much appreciated. I love the first two superman films

@Stardust_7273 Жыл бұрын

24:44 when SM used the mirror to reflect Zod’s light beam back at him, right behind Zod is an ad for something (not sure what, maybe cigarettes 🚬?)that says “Cool It!” 😂

@roryotoole3279 2 жыл бұрын

The actor who plays Non is not the same actor who plays Jaws in James Bond. Jaws was played by Richard Kiel while Non was played by Jack O'Halloran. BTW Richard Kiel played the ghost on an episode of Gilligan's Island.

@BigPete44 2 жыл бұрын

Surely a classic!

@tonyfred123 2 жыл бұрын

That actor did not play Jaws. Jus sayin.

@betsyduane3461 2 жыл бұрын

I love how that balloon takes them to exactly where they need to be on Earth with no form of propulsion.

@lordhumungus77 2 жыл бұрын

FYI Richard Kiel played Jaws and Non was played by Jack O'Halloran.

@sinnizster5038 2 жыл бұрын

What I like about the Donner cut is the guy he goes back to beat up at the end of the movie technically since time was reversed doesn't know who the hell Clark is and their first fight never even happened haha..

@xenoalways1474 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I haven't watched their reaction yet. But that said, the Donner cut is the definitive cut right? But given the whole time travel thing like the first movie, made of lot of plot points in the Donner cut, not make any sense. The theatrical cut makes things progress better. Like, the guy at the diner he goes back to beat up. What happened to Zod, Ursa and Non now, now that he reversed time. Let alone the silly scene where Lois "shoots" Clark to expose his secret. He's so fast, he would've seen it was a blank bullet and not worry about, "you know, if you were wrong, Clark Kent would be dead now." Like wtf. It was a brilliant idea to think about, but if you really think about it, it's not. Like Rocky V. How would Rocky know to mispronounce Cajones, unless he knew how to spell it? 🤷😂

@ellessandraramsay1841 2 жыл бұрын

It's like he just walks into a random diner and beats up some innocent guy. It doesn't make sense for him to reverse time again. 😂

@-M0LE 2 жыл бұрын

Because you mentioned Gene Wilder I mean surely you should do SEE NO EVIL HEAR NO EVIL starring Richard Pryor Also those dad jokes must be a PANE in the GLASS 😂😂👌

@DeanStrickson 2 жыл бұрын

If they’re going to check out a Pryor/Wilder film, they gotta start with Silver Streak. Not only is it a better film, but it actually has Jaws!

@Darkswordz 2 жыл бұрын

3:01 The Dad Jokes start early. 😁

@blueroninstudios 2 жыл бұрын

The Mrs really is a romantic I see. In the current comics, not only are Lois and Clark happily married, they also have a son named Jonathan who inherited Clark's powers. Also, there's a tv show, Superman & Lois, only in that show they have two young teenage boys, and from the few epsidoes Ive seen its a damn good series. Also, shout out to Smallville tv series fans! Where ya at, Smallville?

@mikeman2862 2 жыл бұрын

3min in and already a good pun :)

@peterengelen2794 2 жыл бұрын

No, that's not Richard ''Jaws'' Kiel...

@evilalex87 2 жыл бұрын

Love all 4 christopher reeves superman films, hope you react to the other 2 ones too one day

@biguy617 2 жыл бұрын

I liked it when Lois found out. It makes her seem smarter than when she doesn’t know.

@MrAitraining 2 жыл бұрын

Love superman 2. Terence Stamp is awesome.

@biguy617 2 жыл бұрын

He is better as Zod than Michael Shannon was in Man of Steel.

@jxchamb 2 жыл бұрын

Nice job choosing the Donner cut!

@campagnollo 2 жыл бұрын

If you are referring to James Bond’s Jaws, it’s not him. Nom is played by Jack O’Halloran. Jaws is played by Richard Kiel.

@johnberg9497 2 жыл бұрын

small typo = Non

@MovieVigilante 2 жыл бұрын

23:44 That is not Jaws (Richard Kiel). That is Jack O'Halloran

@josephtingley654 2 жыл бұрын

I enjoy both versions of this movie. I think the conversation scenes with Jor-El and Kal-El were better than the one with his mother in the theatrical version.

@alucard624 2 жыл бұрын

I highly suggest you eventually watch the theatrical version of Superman II so you can see the major differences between the two versions. WB gave Michael Thau a rather limited budget to work with to finish this version more or less and it shows quite a bit. That being said it's still a pretty good movie. Be prepared for the drop in quality when you watch Superman III. It's got some moments here and there that are good but it's not up to par with 1 and 2. Superman IV is mediocre but it definitely helps to read up on all the BS that went on behind the scenes and you'll realize it's a miracle that film even got released (whether it should have or not is up for debate still).

@wobaguk 2 жыл бұрын

The Donner Cut could only change some of the studios insisted changes. Originally, time wasnt rewound at the end of the first movie, California was badly damaged, and further damage then caused by Zod in the sequel. So Superman rewound time not to just put Zod back in the Phantom Zone but to restore Earth. SM1 and 2 were originally very much Pt1 and Pt2 of a single narative, but the studio got cold feet, and were afraid an 'incomplete' first Superman movie would prove unpopular, so it was reworked to have a 'comfy' ending.

@bjgandalf69 2 жыл бұрын

Just a quick note to our illustrious pair...while the Mrs. does well in front of the camera, I have to say that Mr. Movies REALLY has a great voice for broadcasting. If you don't work in a profession where you use your voice, you so easily could (or just entertain us here on KZfaq)...lmbo...🙂🙃

@reactions5783 2 жыл бұрын

I personally prefer the theatrical cut as it's more fun and entertaining. And (ironically), I believe it has a tone more in-keeping with the first movie than the Donner Cut.

@ross8884 2 жыл бұрын

Lois shooting him? the fire scene was so much better and romantic!

@jjohnson4474 2 жыл бұрын

I prefer the theatrical cut also. The Donner cut just seems to add some unnecessary scenes that take away from the overall picture. And the replacement sections are not better to me, they are far inferior. That is one reason I think she said it doesn't make sense about the reversing time part. I have to admit that I prefer the theatrical release of most movies. There is a reason they have editors. The only one I think is better is Lord of the Rings; because there is so much story that it makes more sense with more time.

@mikejankowski6321 2 жыл бұрын

@@ross8884 How could Superman be fooled by blanks? That made no sense.

@lawrencewestby9229 2 жыл бұрын

I know this is only pieces in the review but I'd have to agree, I prefer the theatrical cut.

@jamesoblivion 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikejankowski6321 How could Superman be clumsy enough to fall into a fire? 😂

@evanreid6917 2 жыл бұрын

Great reaction guys, this was actually my first time watching Superman 2 believe it or not. I'm more a Batman guy but i am warming up to Superman, and when i saw Superman returns years ago on dvd i remember not liking it just like Mrs movies.

@jedijones 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't like Returns either. I had seen Superman 1 and 2 many times before then.

@shanester1832 2 жыл бұрын

When I heard it was continuing from this world there was a level of excitement. What we got was just so dull and uninteresting.

@mcentepede 2 жыл бұрын

It sucked but Henry Cavill Man Of Steel rectified that. Superman Returns tried to do a Christopher Reeve style movie but it was too late by then as Reeve died and Routh was just a young actor, the timing was not right. And Life is 90% having the right timing! that's my quote, feel free to use it.

@evanreid6917 2 жыл бұрын

@@mcentepede yeah when i rented Superman returns, as a teen i just wanted to see if it could live up the the original flicks. Keep in mind wasn't really a fan either but still i thought i'd giver a go and thought it sucked.

@Paul77ozee 2 жыл бұрын

Jack O’Halloran played Non. Jaws was played by Richard Kiel.

@tjhorsegirl 2 жыл бұрын

The different glasses scene where Lois shot Clark was never filmed. It was their audition tape. Donner used it since he couldn't go back and film it.

@bankbarcomo806 2 жыл бұрын

4:50 loved this part(thematically) in Lois & Clark. "Stupidest women ever. 'I'm Clark Kent.' 'I'm Superman. Duuuuuuuhhhh!!!!"

@kalofkrypton 2 жыл бұрын

Too few appreciate the absolute television gold that was Tempus!

@bankbarcomo806 2 жыл бұрын

@@kalofkrypton I recently completed getting the dvds as gifts, sat wife down to introduce her to them, and we didn't even make it through S1. Cassie (if you know her) just asked for a definition of 'campy' in her discord, and I think Lois & Clark are probably pictured in that entry!

@fjparasite1172 2 жыл бұрын

I saw news where Tom cruise was a courier with glasses and no one recognized him. People also didn't recognize Calvil in glasses next to a Man of Steel board.

@kalofkrypton 2 жыл бұрын

@@bankbarcomo806 For all of the silliness, it was on the whole a really good show that I enjoyed massively as a kid. Big part of my younger years and it's great to revisit. Still love the loungy incidental music.

@kalofkrypton 2 жыл бұрын

@@fjparasite1172 As most are aware I'm sure, Reeve's performances as Superman and Clark are so different - that Clark really is a complete disguise. The set up of Donner's films (and pre crisis comics) lends itself to that too. The real Clark Kent pretty much ceases to exist after leaving Smallville. This is opposed to the post-crisis comics and most modern interpretations where Clark is a fully formed person with a full adolescence and formative years before deciding to become Superman.

@disconnexionsdotcom 2 жыл бұрын

I loved Richard Donner, but the Theatrical Cut was excellent. It was a great blend of styles.

@mcentepede 2 жыл бұрын

Nope....it made no sense bro.I remember as a kid we kept asking ourselves how did Supes get his powers back? And other small details, but that one was the obvious blunder.

@disconnexionsdotcom 2 жыл бұрын

@@mcentepede Ha.. the first one didn't make sense either.. How does spinning around the Earth make time go backwards? So he can fly that fast, but not fast enough to stop the nukes in the first place? It took THOUSANDS of years for Kal-El to get to Earth, yet Jor-El knows all about how their society will be in the 1950s and 70s? and I guess Jor-El knew about their languages and Earth science before they were even invented? A lot of things didn't make sense in the franchise. But you know what.. I was a kid and I enjoyed it for what it was. Fantasy and dumb fun.

@mcentepede 2 жыл бұрын

It was trash, bro

@mcentepede 2 жыл бұрын

@@disconnexionsdotcom This movie was made in the 70's bro, probably when I was a fetus in my Momma's belly. Also based on a comic book superhero who wears his underwear over his pants....You guys nitpicking alot over minor details...mostly that has zero impact on the plot of the movie. Lester ignored the more important plot details for some strange reason and went for a lighter, comedic tone which alienated true fans of the genre. Thankfully, Hollywood learned from past mistakes and we getting better superhero movies now that don't ignore major plot details.

@disconnexionsdotcom 2 жыл бұрын

@@mcentepede I don't know how old you are, but I saw this movie in theaters as a kid. It didn't alienate anyone I knew. Sure some things didn't make sense, but for kids that grew up on Saturday morning cartoons, most of the time our stuff didn't make sense. There were very few "gritty" comic books and characters. Superman was not one of them. Nobody cared about Richard Donner and his cut until decades later.. That's just a fact. ALL of my friends loved Superman 2 the way it was and so did millions more people. It wasn't until Superman 3 that people started turning on the franchise.

@paulieluppino1856 2 жыл бұрын

2:33 ...."For how close is Krypton to sun, it looks really cold"....Is a dying sun.....Really red....

@MrDrokkul 2 жыл бұрын

Clark: "Gee that's funny. I've never seen garbage eat garbage before." Cook: " _Hey_ ..."

@danielc7773 2 жыл бұрын

Pleased to see that you went with this cut, I voted that way in the pole and at the time, the theatrical was way ahead. The Donner cut took years to arrive, and you can't really see this version unless you specifically bought it. Most people are likely to prefer the movie they grew up with, which probably contributes to so many prefering the theatrical cut. The theatrical cut is great, and obviously works much better. It has many excellent moments, even if the tone Richard Lester brought can feel quite weird. It's great that this version exists, too. Even if it is lumpy and cobbled together, it's nice to see the original intent. Bring on 3 and 4. They're rubbish, but in a really wonderful way.

@andreshernandez1180 2 жыл бұрын

No, 3 is rubbish in a wonderful way, 4 is just plain rubbish.

@KonohazFinest 2 жыл бұрын

What do windows and your wife have in common......👇 They both can be a real pane I'll see myself out 🚶🚪

@jamesanderson6373 2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@suproliver 2 жыл бұрын

The clip where Lois shoots Superman with a gun was one the test screening scenes. That's why the glasses are different. There are also scenes where the super villains don't sound as intimidating because they were scenes not printed for the movie yet so they didn't amplify their voices like the theatrical scenes. -OG

@moonman3337 Жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha!!!! “Get it….. Air time” 😂

@miguelsantos-cd9tu 2 жыл бұрын

I prefer theatrical version of Superman 2.

@kalofkrypton 2 жыл бұрын

While I appreciate the Donner cut, I really do prefer the theatrical release overall. Especially the opening.

@0PsychosisMedia0 2 жыл бұрын

Opening and ending were perfect. This is why i hate found/expanded/Directors cuts. Most of the footage is low quality and the story line suffers from being over weight. Studios do make right decisions sometimes and directors let their egos get in the way of common sense.

@kalofkrypton 2 жыл бұрын

@@0PsychosisMedia0 Here, Donner fell out with the producers, who really were a bit of a troublesome pair. It wasn't 'studio interference' as we tend to get these days. The major differences in story are the result of a couple of things. The time travel at the end of the first film was intended for 2, but used in 1 to wrap it up so that they were ready for release while Donner and Reeve and the 2nd unit kept filming sequences for 2. After Donner left, the producers didn't want to pay him so needed to reduce his number of credited scenes dramatically. The Newman's rewrote and Lester was bought in to work quickly and do as he was told. As I say, I do prefer the theatrical. The Donner Cut is an interesting addition, and I was certainly excited to see it. All that said, I do like Lester's work - and I especially like Superman 3. Where Donner absolutely nailed Superman The Movie, pioneering some amazing techniques, providing some pretty perfect casting and giving us his vision of period verisimilitude as he liked to say; Superman III is a near perfect on-screen depiction of Silver Age nonsense. And I absolutely love it! Whioe Superman The Movie is still the total grandaddy of superhero movies, Superman III is the best Superman film. Fight me.

@Idazmi7 2 жыл бұрын

@@kalofkrypton I prefer all parts of the Donner cut aside from the ending: the ending should NOT have been a repeat time travel sequence: the scene where Clark avenges himself on the bully was written to take place in the *same timeline.* Now it's just Clark beating up on some dude for no reason.

@kalofkrypton 2 жыл бұрын

@@Idazmi7 the time travel thing was always meant for part 2. They producers pushed Donner to use it for 1 to get the film finished.

@Idazmi7 2 жыл бұрын

@@kalofkrypton Even so, it was in the first film, so repeating it in the second is unnecessary - even damaging, since it's repetitive.

@danielwong5378 2 жыл бұрын

I remember my pops saying that the 3 of them in that square glass had them looking like an album cover.

@midnightblue6668 2 жыл бұрын

I can appreciate the vision of Richard Donner and folks wanting to see that realized, but I grew up on the theatrical version, so this just feels like it's missing some of the beats that I loved. Still, fun to see the alternate version, but my go-to will still be the originally aired version.

@brandoncollins1225 2 жыл бұрын

I love The Donner Cut, but you really need to see the theatrical cut. This ending doesn't really make sense because this film, and the first were supposed to be one big movie.

@kylereese4822 2 жыл бұрын

Richard Kiel aka Jaws nope not in superman 1 - 2... Jack O'Halloran as Non: The third of the Kryptonian criminals,

@maxiepattie85 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks to you two I no longer eat dinner alone. Thanks guys!

@MrsMovies 2 жыл бұрын

Honored that we get a spot at your table!

@mikesterling688 2 жыл бұрын

I have never seen this version until now. I love it. Thank you!

@kieronball8962 2 жыл бұрын

Made at the same time as Superman The Movie, Richard Donner did his utmost best to finish his vision of Superman II, but unfortunately, due to circumstances beyond his control, he was unable to do so. Sadly, this is the only way we can see his genius at work and although limited in certain aspects, it's still superior to the theatrical version.

@thereturningshadow 2 жыл бұрын

Not quite beyond his control. He didn't get long with the Salkinds (producers) and the fight between them got to the point that the Salkinds fired Donner. He didn't quit or leave mysteriously. He was FIRED.

@Mr-gg8ek 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate a director’s cut, but I think the non-Donnerncut is better in just about every way.

@alucard624 2 жыл бұрын

Both have their merits IMO. I was not a fan of the made up powers that Lester gave the villains as well as Superman in the Lester Cut at all, especially that stupid cellophane S shield in the fortress. Glad Family Guy ripped on that.

@2apocalypsex 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you 100%

@shanester1832 2 жыл бұрын

The cellophane S, the mind eraser kiss.... I'll still take those over the "reassemble the great wall of China with my eyes because we ran out of money to show me stacking bricks in super speed" power in IV.

@johnnyskinwalker4095 2 жыл бұрын

@@alucard624 I don't know why but I love the cellophane S lol Visually I love it. It was great seeing it on screen. They could explain that it's not part of Superman's powers but that in the Fortress, he can activate things that create holographic illusions.

@gggooding 2 жыл бұрын

Lester's version is definitely sillier, which I think is better. LOVE his kooky Superman 3 with Richard Pryor. Can't expect the director of A Hard Days Night to take anything seriously.

@rnw2739 2 жыл бұрын

They are similar but Non is played by Jack O'Halloran. Richard Kiel played Jaws in the Bond films.

@stephenbaker1030 2 жыл бұрын

At the dawn of the internet as it became more accessible there was an site called Superman Cinema. This site at the time had quite an indepth look at the first 2 Superman films and all the stories surrounding the troubled relationship between the Salkinds (Producers) and Richard Donner (Director) I had seen Superman 2 with my father back in 1981 here in Ontario, Canada and at the time I was blown away at what essentially started my love for movies at age 8. When I had read the information off Superman Cinema (archived on Caped Wonder) my once love for the sequel really was diminished until Michael Thau went back to the drawing board to put the Donner puzzle back together. Even though I can appreciate a bit of what Lester produced (nothing more than a paycheck/recouping what the Salkinds already owed him) a bit more, it's still silly even for 1981.

@totomomo18 2 жыл бұрын

I am glad you are doing Superman again but I wish you watched the theatrical version. Which is much much better than this version. This version is incomplete and it ruins the first movie. I don't like it. You should watch theatrical version

@integrity101 2 жыл бұрын

it doesn't ruin the first movie... like whatever you like but the Theatrical cut was shot the way it was to do things on the CHEAP. Both versions have flaws because both films have mixed and matched footage

@totomomo18 2 жыл бұрын

@@integrity101 The first time Superman reverse time it had meaning and impact and heart. Lois died. Superman loved Lois so much and he remembered he could not save his earth father but now he can so he disobeyed Jor El and he broke the law of physics for Lois. second time it is a cheap solution that did not solve anything. If it so simple to reverse time he can just do that in every movie. It is just like Sam Ramie Spiderman 3 ruined the Spiderman trilogy with the all Sandman retcon.

@randall-king 2 жыл бұрын

@@totomomo18 You should watch the behind the scenes stuff on this. They considered all the options and chose the best option. They could have used the Lester ending and have it make more sense. However, the point of releasing a Donner cut was to let us see the footage shot for Superman II that we never got to see. There was so much good footage like the toothpaste going back in the tube and such. This was a way to use that in the film and let us see the original vision for the end of Superman II (before the turning back time gag was moved from Superman II to the first film).

@totomomo18 2 жыл бұрын

@@randall-king I think I have seen it. I was excited when I heard there is a director cut for Superman 2. I always like to see deleted scenes of movies it is like an alternative universe. I just don't think Donner plot choices are good in fact I think they are horrible. The all Lois shooting Clark with a gun is beyond horrible why ??? even with the blanks if Clark was not Superman he could have an heart attack. Who would go that extreme to prove a point that would make Lois a sociopath.

@jgmediting7770 2 жыл бұрын

@@randall-king yes, but that’s the reason it shouldn’t replace the original theatrical cut. It’s an addition. A novelty for those who watched the original.

@onepcwhiz6847 2 жыл бұрын

No no no.. it's supposed to be the Eiffel Tower bomb that breaks them out.

@bad-people6510 Жыл бұрын

"Is that Jaws? ...It's hard to recognize him without the grill." It's probably hard to recognize him because that's not him. That's former heavyweight boxer Jack O'Hallaran. Jaws was Richard Kiel.

@mattcup8541 2 жыл бұрын

Not all big dudes are Jaws, man haha

@voodoochile333 2 жыл бұрын

The Donner cut is not as good as the theatrical version

@biguy617 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree, The Donner Cut doesn’t have Superman throwing a big S and hologram trick. I think that part is stupid. My theory with that is the Fortress enhances Kryptonian powers. There were a few things the Lester did better. The part where Superman comes back he says “General would you care to step outside” instead of “Freedom of the Press.” Overall the Donner cut is better because the villains are meaner in this cut than they are in the Lester cut.

@shallowgal462 2 жыл бұрын

OK, as much as I loathe this cut over the much better theatrical version, I'll watch for the sake of seeing your reaction. I miss the vastly better opening credits, the entire Eiffel Tower sequence, the vastly better Niagara Falls sequence in the theaters, and, of course, a MUCH BETTER, ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENDING, that didn't just recycle the ending of the first movie. Finally, the musical score wasn't even nearly as good! At some point, PLEASE, PLEASE watch the better, original, theatrical cut!!! Non was not played by Richard Kiel (Jaws) from James Bond movies, but by pro boxer Jack O'Halloran. In Superman IV, Jon Cryer played Lex Luthor's nephew--and now is himself Lex Luthor on The CW's Supergirl and on Superman animated series. My favorite villain is Rocky, from the diner.

2 жыл бұрын

You are 💯% on point. 💪🏾