Why TIM BURTON'S SUPERMAN LIVES Was Cancelled

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SUPERMAN LIVES
This is the 2nd of 4 parts covering the events of cancelled Superman movies... The next upload will be an examination of J.J Abrams' Superman 'Flyby', followed by the story of Wolfgang Peterson's cancelled 'Batman Vs Superman: World's Finest'.
Part 1 - Superman 5 / Creation of Superman Comic - • Why Christopher Reeve'...
Part 2 - Superman Reborn / Superman Lives - • Why TIM BURTON'S SUPER...
Part 3 - Superman 'Flyby' - • Why J.J Abrams' SUPERM...
Part 4 - Batman v Superman 'Asylum' - • Why BATMAN vs SUPERMAN...
[Timestamps]
0:00 - Intro / Background
6:02 - Jonathan Lemkin Script Summary
13:08 - Greg Poirer Script Summary
25:28 - Kevin Smith Hired
36:57 - Kevin Smith Script Summary
49:55 - Tim Burton Hired
55:08 - Assembling FX / Crew / Designers
1:13:13 - Wesley Strick Script
1:29:48 - Dan Gilroy Script
1:32:00 - Production Cancelled
#superman #nicolascage #supermanlives

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@danielwarner3675
@danielwarner3675 3 жыл бұрын
rip jon schnepp. met him at a con a few years back. a great big nerd
@2013venjix
@2013venjix 3 жыл бұрын
I met him too
@Vamroc
@Vamroc 3 жыл бұрын
@@2013venjix Didn't know about his passing I was a HUGE fan
@danielwarner3675
@danielwarner3675 3 жыл бұрын
@@Vamroc sad as fuck, my friend. he was the man
@M1keFoxxx
@M1keFoxxx 3 жыл бұрын
I'm eternally saddened that he never got to experience Avengers IW/Endgame. Obviously there's a lot more important things he didn't experience in his life but I just remember watching those movies and being bummed that I wouldn't get to hear his geeky thoughts on them
@Bobbywoodhogan
@Bobbywoodhogan 3 жыл бұрын
I never had the pleasure but just came across as a fun loveable guy. I think the fan base losses a great voice when we lost Schnepp 😞
@R1ch4d8
@R1ch4d8 3 жыл бұрын
Jon Peters: *sees Jurassic Park 2* "Make Doomsday a dinosaur!" Jon Peters really is the hack's hack.
@billybarnett2846
@billybarnett2846 3 жыл бұрын
If you ever saw an interview with Peters, you would ask yourself how did they let this guy produce movies?
@75aces97
@75aces97 3 жыл бұрын
I did see one, and I don't know how anyone would think it's a good idea to let him produce a lunch order.
@marleneg7794
@marleneg7794 2 жыл бұрын
a contract
@sha11235
@sha11235 2 жыл бұрын
How do they let a lot of people do that?
@spiritdeezy9668
@spiritdeezy9668 2 жыл бұрын
Barbara Streisand
@rogerrambo4172
@rogerrambo4172 2 жыл бұрын
I actually disagree, I think his ideas for Reborn/Lives were very innovative & exciting. I like the giant spider/thanagarian snare beast battle, I like his concept for the flying scenes being superman literally taking giant leaps in single bounds & causing sonic booms & his overall desire to make a live action version of the Fleischer cartoons.
@s4m_1223
@s4m_1223 3 жыл бұрын
Next suggestions please!: - Disney’s Kingdom of the Sun - George Miller’s Justice League - Ridley Scott’s I Am Legend - Unmade Ghostbusters 3 - George Lucas’s Sequel Trilogy
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 3 жыл бұрын
What about David S Goyer’s flash movie, Ridley Scott Prometheus 2, Eric Stoltz back to the future, Sandra Bullock’s Wonder Woman, Jack Black Green Lantern and the original 1996 island of Dr Moreau.
@justyouraveragejoe5534
@justyouraveragejoe5534 3 жыл бұрын
Stanley Kubrick and The Beatles Lord of the Rings
@jacobmcleod4482
@jacobmcleod4482 3 жыл бұрын
Jack Blacks green lantern! I didnt know about that. I bet that would've been interesting.
@osmanyousif7849
@osmanyousif7849 3 жыл бұрын
Ooh, and the Roger Rabbit sequels and prequels.
@s4m_1223
@s4m_1223 3 жыл бұрын
Also the unmade Jurassic Park sequels and Guilermo Del Toro's At the Mountain of Madness.
@pissqueendanniella4688
@pissqueendanniella4688 3 жыл бұрын
Kevin Smith: hey tim, wanna direct this superman movie script? Burton: sure! (Tosses script in trash) Yea..we're not missing out on anything.
@skullfacestudios7421
@skullfacestudios7421 2 жыл бұрын
It's so funny how glaring Jon Peters' edits are in Smith's script/story
@UltimateKyuubiFox
@UltimateKyuubiFox 3 жыл бұрын
Kevin Smith’s was easily the best version. I’m impressed. I’m quite lukewarm on him, but his pitch easily felt the most polished and professional. Complete.
@davidjames579
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
Given how much he knows about comic books, I'm amazed he's never been asked to write another movie. I know he's written for TV comic book shows and at one time was going to write a Green Hornet movie, but let him do one!
@billyloper4072
@billyloper4072 3 жыл бұрын
I'm doubtful he could have actually executed on it. The comics he's written 100% fall flat for me.
@kingzeus4754
@kingzeus4754 3 жыл бұрын
And he delivered with the spider flying and all that was asked
@roninkraut6873
@roninkraut6873 3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t he doing He-man? I mean kinda He-man since it’s not actually going to be about him
@julianoviedo3104
@julianoviedo3104 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't Kevin Smith said that it was basically a fan film and not very good? I kind of remember that from the documentary correct me if I'm wrong
@UltimateKyuubiFox
@UltimateKyuubiFox 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re going to make a Superman movie where he doesn’t fly, you might as well go the Joker 2019 route where you try to tell a character drama under the auspices of a superhero film. Make it into an All The President’s Men newspaper journalism movie about understated introvert Clark Kent trying to uncover corruption in the midst of a chaotic world on the brink of collapse and only hint that the superhero appearing on the television screens is actually the same person as the character we’re following. If you want an action film with a Superman who doesn’t fly or, at the very least, leap over tall buildings in a single bound, there’s almost literally no point. It’s a project doomed for failure. If you aren’t gonna at least reinvent the wheel, you’re just gonna fall flat on your ass next to a bicycle seat and some pedals.
@neganstains5745
@neganstains5745 3 жыл бұрын
That would've been an excellent pitch for Man of Steel. The journalism aspect was thrown in . Clark Kent's drifter period could've been about him becoming a war journalist who has a knack for survival (using his abilities for money) and having witnessed countless atrocities, decides to do something about it.
@neganstains5745
@neganstains5745 3 жыл бұрын
That would've been an excellent pitch for Man of Steel. The journalism aspect was thrown in . Clark Kent's drifter period could've been about him becoming a war journalist who has a knack for survival (using his abilities for money) and having witnessed countless atrocities, decides to do something about it.
@harlannguyen4048
@harlannguyen4048 3 жыл бұрын
@@neganstains5745 Your comment reminds me of Superman Birthright by Mark Waid (before he went crazy), in how Clark traveled around the world doing reports for his blog before moving to Metropolis.
@harlannguyen4048
@harlannguyen4048 3 жыл бұрын
@UThink UCan Geez, you don't have to be so aggressive with that comment. Besides, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people, including myself, don't think that Man of Steel was a great depiction of Superman.
@top4et326
@top4et326 2 жыл бұрын
Они это и пытались сделать
@DanielValentin0508
@DanielValentin0508 3 жыл бұрын
The Kevin smith one seemed so good, it wreaked of someone who knew what they where talking about
@aclockworkreview
@aclockworkreview 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that I found this channel because it helps me relax and find out more of my beloved passion and that's movies that are cancelled
@SmithMrCorona
@SmithMrCorona 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, the 90s... a decade where you were constantly reminded it was the 90s. A decade brought to you by a generation who never let you forget they were young in the 60s.
@CalJennings
@CalJennings 3 жыл бұрын
I was young in the 60s. 😂
@brentparker7359
@brentparker7359 2 жыл бұрын
In movies and TV shows, characters even said things like, "Hey, it's the 90s!" or "Join the 90s!" Can you imagine anyone now saying, "Hey, it's the 2020s!"
@louisduarte8763
@louisduarte8763 2 жыл бұрын
I was a kid through all the 90's, so I don't remember all of them, but just enough to feel old.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 Жыл бұрын
On behalf of Generation X, I apologize. We did NOTHING.
@alejoparedes2388
@alejoparedes2388 3 жыл бұрын
A "Scooby Doo" movie by Tim Burton? That would've been interesting.
@skinnysnorlax9356
@skinnysnorlax9356 10 ай бұрын
And a Tim Burton “Goosebumps”? Fuck, man, he should’ve taken that project!!!
@AFchris77
@AFchris77 3 жыл бұрын
Damn Kevin Smith's script was dope.
@au6769
@au6769 3 жыл бұрын
Man I fucking miss Jon Schnepp, that 10 second clip of seeing him made me smile so much. R.I.P King Sweaty
@futuramayeah
@futuramayeah 3 жыл бұрын
I love Smallville the tv show, when it premiered, there was talk in magazines that there was a rule for the show to follow, no tights, no flights, meaning he wasn't allowed to have a suit or fly in the show, which sort of worked for most of the show, as it showed him learning about his powers and later finding out about Krypton via Dr Swann played by Christopher Reeve
@loudtaste1046
@loudtaste1046 3 жыл бұрын
That was an awesome episode
@bizarro9283
@bizarro9283 Жыл бұрын
Awsome show 💚
@TheJustUsLeague
@TheJustUsLeague Жыл бұрын
That show made sense because Superman was still a young boy learning about his powers and having to do homework at the same time. But a full adult grown Superman NOT FLYING is utterly ridiculous at it's core.
@sinicalypse
@sinicalypse 3 жыл бұрын
The recreations / readings of the scripts are the best part of these. Sincerely, a random viewer.
@aidanlynn
@aidanlynn 3 жыл бұрын
Peters is the perfect example of everything wrong with Hollywood, past and present.
@louis3141
@louis3141 3 жыл бұрын
Him and that stupid giant F'n spider lol
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
Aidan yeah ithink some people said that had this movie been made it would of suffered the same fate as batman and Robin
@danielwarner3675
@danielwarner3675 3 жыл бұрын
he's the pitch meeting producer 100%
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielwarner3675 yeah and Jon Peter's even envisioned gia take on superman to be like star wars
@davidjames579
@davidjames579 3 жыл бұрын
Turns to artist who's Black: "I want every brother in the ghetto to be scared shitless". Imagine someone saying that today.
@stevekoller3314
@stevekoller3314 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to see a video on Greg Berlanti's Flash movie that was supposed to be set in the same universe as 2011's Green Lantern
@marcodabatman
@marcodabatman 3 жыл бұрын
I know Cage is not exactly anyone's first choice for Superman, but hearing/reading about his love for the character and that he appreciated the use of the source material for the cancelled film, it would've been neat to see how he played the character
@basicbodybuilding
@basicbodybuilding 3 жыл бұрын
Horribly
@danielwarner3675
@danielwarner3675 3 жыл бұрын
i'd love to see it still in some form! (maybe if wb ever gets around to that flash movie?). there's that great Wired interview with Cage where he talks about his roles that completely changed my perspective on the man. he knows exactly what he's doing, and that coupled with his passion for the char could result in a cool take. and he was awesome as s-m noir and superman in teen titans go to the movies
@osmanyousif7849
@osmanyousif7849 3 жыл бұрын
It's ashame Cage gets too much hate now and is literally just a joke for films. He does have talent, I mean I had mix feeling about his films, but Birdy, Peggy Sue Got Married, Moonstruck, Leaving Las Vegas, Adaption and Lord of War show some great performances from Cage because he nailed the characters.
@SmoothCriminal12
@SmoothCriminal12 2 жыл бұрын
I think Cage would've been better suited as a villan given his manic energy, but I do think it would've been intriguing to see him as Superman.
@lp1578
@lp1578 2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget Face/Off when he literally played two different characters 👍
@stephendean2896
@stephendean2896 3 жыл бұрын
I have always dislike people in Hollywood who blame fans not understanding their concepts or even worse lacking the Intelligence to do so. I do love Kevin Smith's work and I do understand how frustrating the situation Kevin found himself in the middle of must have been
@thewhitewolf7886
@thewhitewolf7886 3 жыл бұрын
Zack snyder to a T.
@uzerp9lite
@uzerp9lite 3 жыл бұрын
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse Oops..! Wrong place, lol...! 😁😁😁😅😅😅
@123612100
@123612100 2 жыл бұрын
@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime Ω staying faithful to the source material.
@mr.sand7899
@mr.sand7899 3 жыл бұрын
Nicholas Cage did eventual get to voice Superman in the Teen Titans Go movie. And Superman Lives may come back as an animated movie this time.
@Grayvorn
@Grayvorn 3 жыл бұрын
DC do make the best animated movies.
@florinivan6907
@florinivan6907 3 жыл бұрын
The truth is we can never know how good/ bad these movies would have been. Intent doesn't equal execution. No one hopes for a bad movie outside of unusual circumstances. These will always be what ifs.
@The_Old_Soul_Artist
@The_Old_Soul_Artist 3 жыл бұрын
While you were talking about Nic Cage, you should've thrown in that he picked the last name Cage because of Luke Cage (his given last name is Coppola. He's the nephew of the Godfather director and 'Adrian Balboa' actress Talia Shire).
@kforcer
@kforcer 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. Although he later tried to claim it was for John Cage.
@rogerrambo4172
@rogerrambo4172 Жыл бұрын
What I loved about Wesley Strick's version (apart from it being VERY Tim Burton-esque & had a very Batman Returns feel) is that Brainiac is like the runt of the litter, Superman's unwanted AI brother. When Superman & K merge Brainiac & Luthor merge into Lexiac as counter. Strick really nailed the character of Clark Kent & oh man this movie would have been Tim Burton's masterpiece
@reservoirquarantine
@reservoirquarantine 3 жыл бұрын
Great gravy this is intense! I'm just 16 minutes in, and I'm over here making fists wit my toes like I'm John McClain. My friggin breathing is shallow. This is incredible!
@TheNameisPlissken1981
@TheNameisPlissken1981 3 жыл бұрын
The real reason Jon Peters liked to have stories read to him is because Jon Peters is extremely dyslexic and he didn't want anyone to know because he thought they would take it as a sign of weakness. Once screenwriter Joe Ezsterhas refused to let Peters take Joe's script Foreplay back to his house so his assistant could read it to him while Jon lied on his couch, closed his eyes and envisioned it. Joe even laughed at the idea which infuriated Jon Peters! Joe watched as Peters karate chopped Joe's marble coffee table, breaking his wrist in the process!! Joe later said, if he had known Jon was dyslexic he probably would have let him take his script home. FYI - Joe's Foreplay script sold for big money (over a million) so Joe wasn't letting anyone take the script home. They had to read it at Joe's house if they were interested in buying it.
@richardenglish2195
@richardenglish2195 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I would've enjoyed either of these movies, but fascinating to hear about them in such detail. Thanks for another excellent documentary, btw; I thoroughly enjoyed it. Can't wait for the next installment!
@AFchris77
@AFchris77 Жыл бұрын
So I had to come back to this video after seeing The Flash movie tonight. I can’t believe we got Nic Cage and a Giant Spider. It actually… looked pretty entertaining to be honest, and I say that as a huge critic of Peters’ works and personality. I’m honestly shocked at how much I liked that snippet, lol. Now a whole movie… who knows. But get Nic Cage in the DCU/MCU nowww.
@clonedavenger
@clonedavenger Жыл бұрын
I want to see Superman Lives so bad after that cameo man. I think even an animated movie would be awesome. Just get Burton/Cage behind it. I was told Cage actually suited up for the cameo, not sure why they decided to completely CGI it. Hopefully we get some really good behind the scenes footage/deleted scenes for The Flash. But I was totally sold on Superman fighting the Thanagarian Snare Beast, AKA the Metal Spider haha!
@wrybreadspread
@wrybreadspread 3 жыл бұрын
2:00 "Do away with the good guy persona..." "Never show him flying on the screen..." The prospective movie just tanked...may as well show a gangster flick with no guns...or a kung fu flick with all fist fights or 3 Stooges style violence
@TheJim42069
@TheJim42069 3 жыл бұрын
"Do away with the good guy persona" ok now we have the movie Brightburn 😆
@wrybreadspread
@wrybreadspread 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheJim42069 You bring up a good point. My recent travels online include a dialog with a fellow Tolkien fan about Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron during Return Of The King...actually there're 2 factions...one is that Aragorn didn't do that in the book because that would be an egregious breach of protocol. The other is that he's bad-assed, and that's its own rationale. There's also a legendary profanity-laced rant by Zack Snyder how Batman fans need to "wake the f*** up" and accept the fact that the old prohibition against taking life, or even firearms simply isn't practical anymore...there's also a video on Twitter where where the crowd absolute erupts in applause and cheers at Zack's statement. And me? I'm an old stick in the mud who still recalls the Lone Ranger never shooting to kill...or Lee Falk's The Phantom, for that matter. I remember being frustrated as a kid that Disney's Zorro never dispatched his opponents like Errol Flynn's Robin Hood did the Sheriff of Nottingham. I get it now, in my 2nd half century of life...there's some wiggle room between being a pacifist and a,,,as you point out...a psychopathic Brightburn
@giochavez5864
@giochavez5864 2 жыл бұрын
Fun/sad fact: Jon Peters also tried to put his f*cking giant spider in the movie adaptation of Neil Gaiman's Sandman!
@Facade953
@Facade953 2 жыл бұрын
He must have a spider fetish or something!😅🤣
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine this being a Tim Burton DCCU? Speaking of what about the sequel to the Tim Burton’s Planet of the Apes?
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
Sr striker did you hear about Tim burton doing a batman beyond film with Micheal Keaton being back as batman
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 3 жыл бұрын
@@zacharyjochumsen9677 well sorta
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
@@srstriker6420 yeah and Jon Peter's whanted his take on superman to be like the next star wars
@matthewthomas3580
@matthewthomas3580 2 жыл бұрын
It would have been interesting to see a Batman and Planet Of The Apes sequel to see where he would go with it. It does look like the BettleJuice sequel will be filming later this year
@jackmonaghan8477
@jackmonaghan8477 3 жыл бұрын
The part of Smith's script where Supes crash lands in Coast City would have been ideal for a Green Lantern cameo since it's the home of Hal Jordan.
@jordel2010
@jordel2010 3 жыл бұрын
I do think this is one of those occasions when it was for the better the film never got made. Still, I would have preferred a Tim Burton's Superman film over one involving either McG or JJ Abrams any time, hands down.
@benmalsky9834
@benmalsky9834 3 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention that years later they considered making Superman Lives as an animated movie with Cage lending his voice before that idea was scrapped.
@99annanic
@99annanic 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin Smith is arguably the biggest comic book fan in pop culture, given a blockbuster film budget I think he would’ve done a fantastic job directing a Superman movie.
@volodymyrbilyk555
@volodymyrbilyk555 3 жыл бұрын
As weird as it sounds, I think Jon Peters would have killed as comic book writer. Dude had the chops. He is like a reverse child of Frank Miller and Grant Morrison. Hell, he was running roughshod in Sony and that is story waiting for an adaptation.
@ivane5110
@ivane5110 11 ай бұрын
I'd love for an animated version of this to be made, so long as Cage himself voices it. As for the art, I've always (especially with films involving different alien races/cultures) hoped that they would get completely different artists with dissimiilar styles to each handle a different culture's look. Same would apply here; Kryptonian visuals from one artist, Earth from another, Brainiac (maybe) from a third and so on. Even to the point of possible multiple artists used for Brainiac's managarie of shrunjen and captured cities and critters.
@KBox1991
@KBox1991 7 ай бұрын
With James Gunn in charge now I can see a animated version with Nicolas Cage voicing being possible. Especially with then doing Elseworld projects.
@ashleytuchin7693
@ashleytuchin7693 3 жыл бұрын
Wait, the studio didn't think they could sell action figures for a movie that introduced four very toy-friendly Superman villains that had never been on the big screen before? I.e. Silver Banshee, Brainiac, Parasite and Doomsday? OK, cool.
@BigBlackGuyReviews
@BigBlackGuyReviews 2 жыл бұрын
It would be really dope if we were given, either comic book or animated, some form of media where we could actually see for ourselves what both Kevin Smith and Tim Burton's versions would have been. Preferably as a double feature/set. I would genuinely be interested to see both, at this point. I don't even care about JJ Abrams version, comparatively. 🤷🏾‍♂️🖖🏾🧐💯
@drewwitty2878
@drewwitty2878 3 жыл бұрын
Now I like the Brainiac angle...I often wondered why the kryptonians didn't just leave since they were a space faring civilization,but Brainiac causing genocide really makes a lot of sense...I was hoping that that idea would've been pushed forward in the sequel to "Man of Steel",but....-
@MILDMONSTER1234
@MILDMONSTER1234 3 жыл бұрын
Why Braniac hasn't shown up yet in a movie I'll never understand
@maxdam4059
@maxdam4059 10 ай бұрын
it was gonna be pushed but blame WB
@brunofranco4416
@brunofranco4416 3 жыл бұрын
It's great having you back!
@alienboy1322
@alienboy1322 3 жыл бұрын
Oh.... I have heard stories about this unmade project.
@richardauthement3105
@richardauthement3105 3 жыл бұрын
every superman fan has heard the legend of superman lives/reborn. some say it's the one that got away. other's say it was so insane it would've worked. i say seeing nic cage as superman would've been fucking entertaining.
@willtheangrydudeist9120
@willtheangrydudeist9120 3 жыл бұрын
"In the second act, i want a giant spider...." lol
@floydharper1216
@floydharper1216 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardauthement3105 I can see it being entertaining in a "so bad its good" way, but I really can't see this ever turning out well
@red5wormy165
@red5wormy165 3 жыл бұрын
Damn I actually bumped into Nick Cage, and Superman is my favorite hero of all time, almost met a Superman smh.
@captainbeastwinger4940
@captainbeastwinger4940 3 жыл бұрын
Really because it sounds more like dc's biggest dodged bullet rather than the greatest dc movie never made
@lucascoval828
@lucascoval828 3 жыл бұрын
@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime Ω We sort of got it. Man of Steel.
@Facade953
@Facade953 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucascoval828 Man Of Steel was a dark, boring and edgy Superman 2. The fight scenes were phenomenal though!
@Facade953
@Facade953 2 жыл бұрын
@FN-1701AgentGodzillaRangerPrime Ω Superman Returns felt like a generic and soulless remake of the first Superman movie.
@joshuasavage1128
@joshuasavage1128 3 жыл бұрын
The Tim burton superman film is definitely the one film that never got made that I would love to see.... it would’ve either redefined superman going forward or failed hard and destroyed his marketability for years after. I’ve always wanted sliders technology so I could go to a universe that made it, and see how it would have turned out
@Manhandle730
@Manhandle730 Жыл бұрын
Burton is a wanker. How many quirky cartoon monster piece of sh** movies can you watch?
@paulsmith1391
@paulsmith1391 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely wonderful video. Superbly researched and as good as any doc you'd see on TV. Please keep making these!
@mog-myownbestfriend
@mog-myownbestfriend 3 жыл бұрын
I was picturing Nick Cage as Superman in all of those script outlines and...they still somehow worked
@brucewayne8158
@brucewayne8158 3 жыл бұрын
Will Smith as the villain in Snake Eyes would have been amazing. Wouldn’t you say? Would love that timeline too...
@Jared_Wignall
@Jared_Wignall 3 жыл бұрын
There have been various stories talked about with this unmade film. Kevin Smith’s is probably the most well known.
@14DaveHunter
@14DaveHunter 3 жыл бұрын
All that money, thrown down the drain to make Superman, into something he's not. He's not a MARVEL character with problems. SMALLVILLE did the perfect balance of realism and Superman's optimism.
@BigAL68xyz
@BigAL68xyz 3 жыл бұрын
We've already had a Superman that didn't fly. It was called Smallville. I don't see the idea working any other way.
@SSmith-yh5nz
@SSmith-yh5nz 3 жыл бұрын
Every time I see a picture of Jon Peters I just picture him going all Street Fighter on somebody's car every time he crosses the road
@brf101
@brf101 3 жыл бұрын
That was an EPIC video. Thanks for all your hard work.
@Silenced23
@Silenced23 3 жыл бұрын
You did a great job editing this video for us along with the scripts! Thank you. I'm new to the channel, this is the first video I'm seeing.
@loslakers530
@loslakers530 3 жыл бұрын
You guys should also checkout john schnepps superman lives documentary. It was amazing
@Lee-Darin
@Lee-Darin 3 жыл бұрын
I would've loved to see Kevin Smith's Superman come to life, I just can't see Nicholas Cage as Superman.
@sskoog
@sskoog Жыл бұрын
The name "L-Ron" dates back to 1986, and is, itself, a pretty subtle dig.
@neganstains5745
@neganstains5745 3 жыл бұрын
@ 47:46: 'Thanagarian snare beast' is a Hawkman reference.
@Facade953
@Facade953 2 жыл бұрын
Hawkman AND Hawkgirl.😄
@au6769
@au6769 3 жыл бұрын
Love this video by the way. Would love you to take on Justice League Mortal in depth, that was going to be Schnepps next project
@jaystonerkstr
@jaystonerkstr 3 жыл бұрын
Hate to tell you, your Doc is better than the 2015 movie. More background detail and revealing the other scripts in story format, excellent!
@perschbacher
@perschbacher 3 жыл бұрын
Great work! Very interesting and well put together!
@obediahabisua2962
@obediahabisua2962 Жыл бұрын
When the documentary came out it made me become absolutely fascinated with how movies are made. Cause growing up I was ignorant to all of it. I just assumed movies are thought up of & just put on the screen. All the twists in turns, all the effort in vain. They got so close yet were so far
@TheAngryUnboxingNerdMikeTapp
@TheAngryUnboxingNerdMikeTapp 3 жыл бұрын
Nice.! Been waiting since the end of the last vid... Time to kick back and learn a lil somethin for the next 90 mins
@BrettJamesBishop
@BrettJamesBishop 3 жыл бұрын
This was so well done! Great job!
@jwheeler1106
@jwheeler1106 3 жыл бұрын
I really wish DC would put out an animated version of Superman Lives with Cage doing the voice.
@DravenG96
@DravenG96 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly I’d say the Kevin Smith draft is the best out of the bunch. Still not sold on the idea of Burton doing Superman since he barely got Batman right.
@IndianaKong95
@IndianaKong95 2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, "I was almost a god..." as Braniac's final words is such a BADASS way for that character to go out!
@toneymitchell1032
@toneymitchell1032 3 жыл бұрын
This was excellent, thanks for making this.
@JDoe-gf5oz
@JDoe-gf5oz 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are so interesting. Thanks for making them.
@thegadflygang5381
@thegadflygang5381 3 жыл бұрын
Ok cancel my comment on your last video. Getting the popcorn ready and staying up till 530am to watch this. I cant believe i am just finding this channel. It is all GOLD. Stallone in Poe is my next click
@FreedumbFighter29
@FreedumbFighter29 3 жыл бұрын
you ARE the audit the audit guy!!! Cool. Awesome channel bro. I see you are thorough no matter what you do.
@timrob12
@timrob12 3 жыл бұрын
I heard that the upcoming Flash movie is considering a Nicholas Cage cameo. I think it would be cool to finally see the Superman that never was. But of course, we have to wait and see first.
@officerspooder
@officerspooder Жыл бұрын
yes❤
@timrob12
@timrob12 Жыл бұрын
@@officerspooder I heard it actually happened.
@AFchris77
@AFchris77 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I would have loved a live-action version of Death, Return, and Reign of Supermen like the Lemkin script. Such a great comic growing up.
@vikramkachroo8844
@vikramkachroo8844 3 жыл бұрын
Only discovered this channel, glad I did. Great research.
@aboutthemetal8783
@aboutthemetal8783 3 жыл бұрын
I've seen the footage of Nicholas cage in the Superman costume, it would of been very interesting to see his portrayal of Clark Kent and Superman.
@daveofsteel4949
@daveofsteel4949 3 жыл бұрын
I would of the Loved to See this unmade Film. But to never see The Man of Steel Fly.. Yeah that Lost Me
@freddiesanders5942
@freddiesanders5942 3 жыл бұрын
Man of steel was fine super returns what trash
@daniboypicazzo
@daniboypicazzo 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, DUDE!!!. I love the work you put on this, you NEED to make one talking about Justice League Mortal!!!
@greenmanjph
@greenmanjph 3 жыл бұрын
After seeing the giant spider in the 1990 IT miniseries, no production should've ever been allowed to use a giant spider again. Anyone suggesting it (Peters) should've also been publicly flogged.
@EatSleepEmpire
@EatSleepEmpire Жыл бұрын
Burton and Cage should do an animated version of this.
@argyros333
@argyros333 3 жыл бұрын
loved it. great editing
@m.a.l.e8182
@m.a.l.e8182 3 жыл бұрын
Two minutes in. Peters is already a legend.
@GenevianFilms
@GenevianFilms 3 жыл бұрын
These are fantastic! So much research and work. Hope you get around to the unmade Batman movies.
@adrianonhilton
@adrianonhilton 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a movie based on the novel "The Death and Life of Superman" by Roger Stern. Every time I Heard they were doing a Doomsday/Death of superman movie, I would get exited. I was always Disappointed.
@matthewthomas3580
@matthewthomas3580 2 жыл бұрын
That's really what they did on Batman Vs Superman. It had Doomsday and it had the Death of Superman storyline.
@ghidorah15
@ghidorah15 2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewthomas3580 But it was terribly done.
@daviddeltoro1808
@daviddeltoro1808 3 жыл бұрын
What the fuck? Am I dreaming? You're spoiling us Supervoid
@leewright1
@leewright1 2 жыл бұрын
The man with the x-ray eyes. Underrated gem.
@NastalgicCLOWN80687
@NastalgicCLOWN80687 3 жыл бұрын
So many good ideas the passing of the Torch idea // and the physiological point of view u should do a video on the cancelled mortal kombat film
@KhadijahJoySams93
@KhadijahJoySams93 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Thank you immensely. You worked hard. Thank you
@matttriano
@matttriano 3 жыл бұрын
Great work thanks!
@giangonzales5912
@giangonzales5912 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video about the James Bond films that was never made.
@Bobbywoodhogan
@Bobbywoodhogan 3 жыл бұрын
Strick’s script is both fascinating and terrible, the dialogue is absolutely atrocious. I think what Burton should have done was used what Smith had but gotten someone to better structure it.
@rylojr1977
@rylojr1977 3 жыл бұрын
Jon Peters is the worst person in the universe that the franchise has been handled by...thankfully his idiotic ideas were never realised on screen in a Superman movie, at least......
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
Rylo jr well he did have a credit on superman returns and man of steel
@rylojr1977
@rylojr1977 3 жыл бұрын
@@zacharyjochumsen9677 Superman Returns was admittedly garbage and producer Christopher Nolan thankfully barred him from the set of Man of steel
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
@@rylojr1977 I acthully liked superman returns I saw it when it came out
@rylojr1977
@rylojr1977 3 жыл бұрын
@@zacharyjochumsen9677 good for you. If you liked it, great. I'm with Kevin Smith's opinion on Superman Returns
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
@@rylojr1977 yeah didn't Kevin Smith have like rant on superman returns
@christopherwilson3754
@christopherwilson3754 3 жыл бұрын
Great doc. as usual.
@thepatrickl.peckshow8317
@thepatrickl.peckshow8317 Жыл бұрын
the more I learn about this movie, the more pissed off I get that it was never made... it's such a painful experience.
@Draliseth
@Draliseth 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone watching this needs to see John Schnepp's documentary. I wanted to see the proposed film after watching that.
@dominiqueodom3099
@dominiqueodom3099 3 жыл бұрын
First Love the channel Keep uploading more vids PLEASE do a video on Danny Glover's Toussaint Louverture biopic epic about the Haiti Revolution.
@dominiqueodom3099
@dominiqueodom3099 3 жыл бұрын
@Warren F I swore I stumbled upon a casting list that included Angela Basset,Wesley Snipes and more
@georgemonde8237
@georgemonde8237 3 жыл бұрын
So how'd they end up with Superman returns 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤧
@sebswede9005
@sebswede9005 3 жыл бұрын
And Man of Steel
@georgemonde8237
@georgemonde8237 3 жыл бұрын
@@sebswede9005 I liked that one
@markmagician2471
@markmagician2471 3 жыл бұрын
Superman Returns was ok Kevin Spacey was a great Luthor
@Facade953
@Facade953 2 жыл бұрын
@@markmagician2471 Bruce Willis would have been the greatest Lux Luthor EVER! How Snyder didn't cast him in BVS is beyond me. Luthor's character model in the first Injustice game even had identical facial features.
@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley
@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley 3 жыл бұрын
It is depressing to know that Peters Batmanized version of Superman was something they tried to do for most of the 2010s.
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 3 жыл бұрын
Where was that?
@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley
@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley 3 жыл бұрын
@@srstriker6420 - In most the New 52, in DC You and even in the movies they were shamefully trying to show Superman as a conflicted gritty figure like Batman too. It wasn't until the DC Rebirth that they finally started getting rid of all that unnecessary edge.
@srstriker6420
@srstriker6420 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley oh right
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley what about that one superman clone in legion of superheroes animted series and the tie in comic book
@zacharyjochumsen9677
@zacharyjochumsen9677 3 жыл бұрын
@UThink UCan super man x he was mor edgy version of of supes who was basically batman beyond but did for supes he was in legion of superheros
@volodymyrbilyk555
@volodymyrbilyk555 3 жыл бұрын
Never thought I would see footage from mgsv in a video like this.
@vassa1972
@vassa1972 2 жыл бұрын
Really well done video
@randomdj9165
@randomdj9165 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, here’s what should’ve happened. Smith’s script. Burton and his friend’s designs. A tiny bit of creative control to Burton, just a tiny bit, because I think a DC Burton Verse would’ve been awesome. But, yeah, that’s what should’ve happened. Also, I think the first idea would’ve been interesting, the one with Superboy & Morpheus, but not as a theatrical film. Oh, also, I think a trilogy was planned, since it said that Sandra Bullock skipped out on a three picture deal as Lois Lane. Who knows, maybe we could’ve seen Bizarro or Parasite.
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