Surge Protector VS EMS... WHAT DO I REALLY NEED!?!?! - Why Not RV: Episode 51
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Күн бұрынThis week I talk to you about the differences in a surge protector and an EMS device. What they really do and what I recommend. Below are some great links for you to check out some AMAZING products. Be sure to join us on Facebook and get in the conversation.
50 Amp Portable EMS
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50 Amp Module
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50 Amp Surge Protector
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30 Amp Portable EMS
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30 Amp Hardwired EMS
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30 Amp Module
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30 Amp Surge Protector
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@JoshtheRVNerd 9 ай бұрын
*How did I miss this all this time? This is great. Thank you Chris!* -JTRVN 🤓
@WhyNotRV 9 ай бұрын
Yes sir. Thank you. I appreciate it.
@tonyjohughes8090 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I really didn't think about getting a surge protector until you walked over and talked to me. Thanks for the surge protector info and the protector.
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!! Happy to help!!!
@KouzyFox Жыл бұрын
I just got a travel trailer and your videos have been the most comprehesive. I appricate the quick-to-the-point videos and honesty.
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that! Thank you 😊
@RVAmerica 3 жыл бұрын
Good information! We bought our RV used and the previous owner threw in a Surge Guard* 30A - Full Protection Model 34830. It has saved us on one occasion on a miswired pedestal. When we upgrade, I will definitely look at the progressive industries hardwire EMS. Thanks for sharing. Danny and Lynn
@WhyNotRV 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome you got one that came with the rig. These things can be pretty pricey but worth every penny
@shufflerp3868 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs full safety. All it takes is one time and you will not be happy. I recently purchased a Hughs Watchdog 50 amp. Covers surge, high voltage and low voltage and ground issues. Two nice features, one it has an app that you can monitor watt usage live and it alerts if there is a problem, the other is that the surge component can be replaced when used up for a lot less than having to buy a new unit like other protectors.
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Thanks for watching! While I have no personal experience with the watchdog, I know it has a lot of positive reviews and compliments.
@kellilong8075 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info! We are about to make our first RV purchase and this is great to know. I've subscribed to your channel!
@WhyNotRV 3 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!! Glad I could help.
@carlosmiguez1261 Жыл бұрын
Extremely helpful and well explained. Thanks
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I appreciate it.
@robertreedyjr.1752 3 жыл бұрын
ENJOYED THE VIDEO, GOOD INFORMATION!
@WhyNotRV 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@biglebowskee 9 ай бұрын
Great information. We've had our 5th for 11 years now and every time we are close to a lightning storm I cringe with every crack of thunder. I had planned on getting a surge protector but am thinking an EMS is the way to go. LoveYourRV has had a Progressive Industries EMS for many years and has never had problems with it. Thanks.
@WhyNotRV 9 ай бұрын
Ya the progressive industries is probably the best on the market and the companies been around longer than most the new products you see pop up.
@JoshtheRVNerd 2 жыл бұрын
*Man thank you for this. This is one of those things that always trips me up* _-Josh_
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Glad it helps!!!
@jeremy80simmons 2 жыл бұрын
We love Josh!
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
He is the ginger wonder
@stevemarzocco4983 2 жыл бұрын
Trips you up; not necessarily a shocking comment, but certainly illuminating.
@josephcoyle8126 2 жыл бұрын
@@stevemarzocco4983 I was struck by a surge of joy when I read that electric comment of yours! I can’t stop buzzing!
@frankram2303 3 жыл бұрын
Great vid !!!
@WhyNotRV 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Frank
@joshhaas2410 3 жыл бұрын
Great run down with a real life example Showing how important the EMS is. I’ll be adding one. Thanks!! Also, the portable version actually isn’t as good IMO because if you think about it, if the voltage goes to 110v at the pedestal, the cord length will have additional voltage loss from the pedestal to where it connects to the RV. With that in mind, it might be 104v at the RV and if the portable EMS low voltage cutoff is 108v it’s not going to shut down the power. If your appliance is being damaged at 104v the portable EMS is working as designed but you’re still causing damage. I like the idea of the EMS at the trailer after any voltage loss from the pedestal.
@WhyNotRV 3 жыл бұрын
Great point Josh. Ya the onboard built in is definitely the best protector
@markmerrill5976 Жыл бұрын
Actually if your cords can drop that much voltage, you're using the wrong cords.
@HandiLuv 2 жыл бұрын
This was a very helpful video!!! I’m a RV newbie so many things are new to me. I just purchased my very first travel trailer on 02/12/2022, so I haven’t even taken my first camping trip as of yet. I’ve done a few years of research before purchasing this RV and this is the VERY FIRST TIME I’m hearing of a EMS? I was well aware that I needed a good surge protection device but you have just educated me about a EMS devise. So I really thank you for posting this video for newbies like myself. Now I have one question 🙋🏾♂️. If I wanted to get a hardwired system installed in my travel trailer, where would I go to get something like that installed???
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! Thanks for watching. I appreciate the comment. That’s the exact reason I started my channel. Help people learn more and make less mistakes while RVing. So again, thank you. Now as for your question. Most RV technicians should be able to do the job so just call around and ask. There are mobile techs as well as shops. Of course you pay a small premium for the mobile guys. But they should be able to give you a quote on the job. Unfortunately because I do everything myself I have no clue what they would charge. I would think whatever there labor charge is for maybe 2-3 hours. It’s relatively simple to do.
@KouzyFox Жыл бұрын
I agree lol first time of hearing EMS as well for a RV
@TimLamb-mc4ne Ай бұрын
Very helpful video. My question is. Do I need a surge protector when I use my generator? Thanks for all your videos and help.
@WhyNotRV Ай бұрын
A search protector alone is not needed when using your generator. However, an EMS device is still recommended if your generator begins to fail and outputs, a lower voltage or frequency that could cause damage to components you will have no idea and will be out of luck. An EMS will still protect you.
@TimLamb-mc4ne Ай бұрын
Thanks for the speedy reply. 7:38
@WhyNotRV Ай бұрын
Absolutely!!!
@LightningLeif Жыл бұрын
Do you have a video of the hardwire install? If not could you show how it installs?
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
I did an install in my last rig in this video. EMS and Multiplus Install / Inverter and Converter upgrade / Battery bank upgrade - Why Not RV: Ep28 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rKd3pLmI3K6aZKs.html
@juliep5156 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the long post but I can’t find the answer anywhere. I’m trying to understand the difference in various units I see on Amazon. Hoping you can confirm if I’m understanding this right…As I understand, there are basic surge protectors that only protect against power surges. There are others labeled as “with circuit analyzer” that can detect low voltage, reverse polarity, open neutral, etc, etc. I want one that will cut the power if any of those things are detected. So do the “analyzers” do that?? Some descriptions explicitly say they cut the power but most don’t. On the ones that don’t say they cut power….does this mean it only checks (“analyzes”) for those issues when first plugged in, then beyond that only protect against surges?
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a great question Julie. I can only speak on products I personally use and trust which is the progressive industries stuff. They cut power of any of the bad stuff is detected as well as have an amazing warranty and customer service. The question is hardwired vs portable. I LOVE having it hardwired for many reasons I won’t get into. But as for other brands. If it doesn’t say that it cuts power specifically but only analyzes/monitors power…. I wouldn’t risk it. Spend the right money up front and never have to spend it again.
@edt1138 Жыл бұрын
Were you running the microwave and coffee maker during the low voltage event? If not you shouldn't have had an issue with a few voltage dips.
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
No. This occurred overnight with those items not functioning.
@nancyl49915 Жыл бұрын
This is a dumb question, but here goes. If I get the Progressive portable EMS you list, do I need a 50 to 30 amp converter as well? I am reading that most EMS or circuit analyzers are not made to be used with dogbones? What to do if I need to convert from 50 to 30? Thanks! Great video, btw and I just joined your FB page. Newbie here with older (2011) class c.
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
First question. Is your RV a 50 amp or 30 amp rig? If you are 50 amp and you out in a 50 amp EMS and use a 30 amp adapter to plug into shore or even down to 15 amp the EMS will still do its job no problem.
@efrenmoran8098 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2022 Cherokee Alpha Wolf along with a Westinghouse I4500. I did purchase a POWSAF rv Surge Protector 30 amp . Will probably never see a full hook up site…mainly dry camping. In your opinion is the POWSAF good enough for what I’ll be doing?
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
That’s great to hear. While I always recommend the EMS over everything else a surge protector is better than nothing.
@Lsgriff 2 жыл бұрын
All of this confuses me lol but my question is, and I hope it doesn’t sound too dumb, if I do the built in, do you still need one at the post? We have a new RV ordered and hopefully will be here in February. Our last RV all I have was a cheap surge protector and I know nothing, never unplugged the surge protector from the cord and when I sold it I couldn’t get them apart they had melted together. I finally did but it was a task. All appliances still worked though.
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
The only dumb question is the one not asked. If you do the built in hardwire version you don’t need anything at the pedestal. Thanks for watching!
@jericonavas6369 2 жыл бұрын
Ha! I wanted to ask this too. Thanks!
@vincea4christ 2 жыл бұрын
Brand new RVer here!! Do I need to use the surge protector when plugged in at home?
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
You should ALWAYS have it plugged in. You can have electrical issues anywhere at anytime.
@shufflerp3868 2 жыл бұрын
You should if your whole home is not surge protected. I have a Generac 24kW generator on my home, With it comes a whole home surge suppressor. So in my case I no longer use my plug for my RV at home.
@haroldoxley6556 8 ай бұрын
Can you use a power strip and extension cord combination from a generator
@WhyNotRV 8 ай бұрын
Well, that has nothing to do with a surge protector or EMS device. If using a generator to power your rig you should just be using a dogbone adapter that goes from your rigs power (50 amp or 30 amp) to the largest available port on your generator (15 or 20 amp standard or an actual 30 amp outlet). That way your whole rig is powered through the generator, of course you have to watch your power consumption as to not overload the generator. Now to answer your question of “can you” sure you can… but “should you” probably not lol
@plantyoutube661 2 жыл бұрын
Lightning just hit my rig and fried all my devices. Im buying one of this now
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
I’m sorry that happened. Hopefully you won’t have to experience that again but if you so you’ll be ready.
@brunoc6407 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a newbie as well and this video helped also. I'm going to be boondocking 100% of the time and getting Power from a duel fuel generator. So is an EMS system needed or will a regular surge protector be good enough? Thanks for any help you could provide.
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I would say the EMS is preferred for a generator. It’s pretty rare a generator is going to cause a surge but it could have some kind of issue creating the proper frequency or voltage and damage things.
@brunoc6407 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV thanks for the tip and quick response 👍
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Thank you for watching!!!
@paulbram2 3 жыл бұрын
Does a multiplus also protect you from voltage irregularities?
@WhyNotRV 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Paul, great question. Yes, the multiplus is programmable to cut off power from the shore line if voltage drops below or pushes above a set limit.
@migmigjohnson6083 Жыл бұрын
Are RVs with their own inverters susceptible to the same problem, being that the electronics are not in the same circuit as shore power? I would think a surge fries the inverter first before it gets to the appliances.
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of factors there. One, is the inverter to just certain plugs and appliances or is it the entire rig. Either way it’s a good idea
@atubeviewer4942 Ай бұрын
Does it shut off if theres a problem? Do we reset it after we fixed the problem? Does it reset itself? Is it like a 1 use fuse, if it blocks electricity for some reason, is it blown for good and we need to get another one?
@WhyNotRV Ай бұрын
Multiple questions here…. It will shut off if any of the factors are out of range. This prevents damage to your rv. After the problem is fixed (low voltage for example) it will automatically come back on. If there’s a surge and the EMS sacrifices itself the company will send you a new one.
@atubeviewer4942 Ай бұрын
@@WhyNotRV Free or you have to buy the replacement? All of them or the one you use?
@WhyNotRV Ай бұрын
The progressive industries brand will replace their units free of charge if a surge occurs and the unit does its job
@petebusch9069 Ай бұрын
How did the voltage drop kill your microwave or kuerig if they were not running? Or were they?
@WhyNotRV Ай бұрын
They were not actively running, but they were in what you would call standby mode. Plugged in with power on. So when the voltage drops like that, it can easily fry a board that requires minimal and maximum voltage.
@petebusch9069 Ай бұрын
@@WhyNotRV I didn't know that, I thought it had to be running
@MrJusttalking2u 2 жыл бұрын
If the power at the pole is 50 amp, and the coach is 30 amp, do I need a 50 amp internal EMS or a 30 amp internal EMS?
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
You get the EMS for your rig. In this case 30 amp. You just use an adapter outside to reduce the plug from 50 to 30
@theresabrown9225 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great info! Newbie here. If the pedestal is 50 Amp and my TT is 30 Amp where do I attach the mobile EMS? Also, if I get an EMS installed will that void my warranty? The TT is only 3 weeks old and I have a year warranty. TIA!
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
First off you need a 50amp male to 30 amp female adaptor. amzn.to/3jajxNe As far as the EMS and the warranty. To be honest I can’t say comfortably one way or the other. I would check with your manufacturer and maybe check with progressive dynamics
@theresabrown9225 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV, so if I go with the mobile ems would I plug in the 50 Amp dogbone to the pedestal and then plug the ems to the 30 Amp side and then plug my rv into that?
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
That is Exactly correct!
@LaughingblueSu Жыл бұрын
I don't know if my 2004 Cougar 5th wheel is 30 amp or 50 amp. I took the microwave out.
@WhyNotRV Жыл бұрын
4 prong or 3 prong plug?
@0000Buloy0000 2 жыл бұрын
If your rv have a circuit breaker do you still need surge protection?
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely yes. A circuit breaker does nothing beside cut power when the wire feeding it gets too hot, could be from high enough amperage, mechanical failure or a shorted out wire. Doesn’t protect against surges, low voltage, high voltage, low frequency, high frequency, reverse polarity, etc. an EMS is the best thing you can do to protect your rig.
@0000Buloy0000 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV thanks for the reply 👍
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Anytime!
@pineapplesmash6678 2 жыл бұрын
Also wondering if my camper is a 30 amp does that mean I don't need any adapters
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
It immediately means you need a 30 amp version EMS or surge protector.
@pineapplesmash6678 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV can u use a 50 amp EMS on a 30 amp camper
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
You can (with the 50amp male to 30amp female adapter) but it’s a more expensive device and is not necessary
@pineapplesmash6678 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV thanks man u have helped me alot....might as well go with the cheaper one when it's not necessary
@cathyhann5599 2 жыл бұрын
Where does this typically get installed in a fifth wheel?
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
The hardwire version should be installed in between the incoming shore line power and the circuit panel. Depending on your rig and where you can access that cable will depend on where it’s installed. Typically behind the pass through storage wall. I have a video on when I installed mine if you look through the channel
@cathyhann5599 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV thank you
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely no problem!!!
@pineapplesmash6678 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a newbie RVer what do I have to have as far as anything for electrical hookups
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
To answer you question I’ll say a few things. Number one, you don’t NEED anything but your power chord to hit the road. What you SHOULD get is at the least a Surge Protector but preferably an EMS to protect your rig. From there it’s “nice to have” a variety of adapters… depending on where you go, you will run into situations that you’ll want a 50amp male to 30amp female adapter, you will also want a 30 amp female to 15amp male. I believe one of my videos I talk about this stuff. It might be the episode saying something about 5 things to get… I don’t remember lol
@pineapplesmash6678 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV I heard the progressive EMS is lifetime warranty...so everytime it burns up it won't cost u a dime more for the portable.....I know why u went with hard wired one so u don't have to worry about theft but if u leave take it with u
@pineapplesmash6678 2 жыл бұрын
@@WhyNotRV I've heard the watchdog is just as good as progressive one u have in your video....it's cool how u can Bluetooth the watchdog so u can see if some one steals u will lose power...lol which u will see on your phone...I see the 30 amp watchdog is only 144 not sure if that is EMS one or not
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t have personal experience with the watchdog. Although I’ll say I have heard good things. I just love the progressive industries and I know from first hand experience they have AMAZING customer service and follow through with the warranty
@pineapplesmash6678 2 жыл бұрын
I've also heard from KZfaqrs that when comparing the 2 they recommend the watchdog cause of the features and that u can replace the parts that go bad in them for like 39 bucks....and they also sd one big plus with the watchdog is that it sends power to the rig alot faster than the progressive one do u have that problem too takes a while before sends power to RV
@bobbarker6086 2 жыл бұрын
Ems
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@yxstvoltageprotector9787 2 жыл бұрын
hi
@WhyNotRV 2 жыл бұрын
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