+Camille McKenzie I don't like that simple and false dichotomy of athlete v. artist. I also don't think Surya really had the technical edge. What she did do well was incredible (double axel from stand still and that 3/1/3/2 combo), but she really only had four clean triples in this routine, severely underrotated that last triple toe, double footed that first Lutz, fell out of a spin, didn't really hold her spins long, severely telegraphed her jumps, had no content in-between her jumps, and had a ton of posing (two big sections in a 4 minute routine to catch her breath) in this routine where she didn't skate. Those are all technical/athletic issues.

Exactly. I like Surya but there is no flow or intricacies before her jumps, it's like she moves and then sets up for a jump and stops everything until said jump is complete. She is definitely a dynamo when it comes to jumping but I was always waiting for her to connect everything and have a good solid performance that is technically AND artistically good. I heard she used to be a gymnast before becoming a skater and I bet she was great at that too.

Bonaly was way overmarked technically for this skate actually. Her triple loop was practically a fall, her triple flip- triple toe was badly underrotated. She had less clean triples than Sato in addition to weaker spins and much weaker footwork. I didnt agree with her getting higher technical marks than Sato at all.

Agreed and her technical marks were WAY too high for this performance which was far from her best technically. I think some of the judges honestly tried to gift her the win here as a sort of career achievement prize, and thank goodness she didnt win and it is a joke she honestly thinks she was robbed.

SDoesNotKnow You’re exactly right

Finally someone said it!

At last! I'm french and here they all keep saying "she was not artistic," "she was not graceful" and that's why she lost, well I understand that backflip thing, but they need to describe very specifically what is "grace" that they do'nt see in her.

Tonya had actual skating skills though.

Tonya was a good skater. Rough around the edges but she had the basic skills.

I disagree. If you look at Yuka’s build, she’s hardly that much different.

Exactly, I watched this performance in the Canadian and British Broadcast and from the angle the Lutz was clean as a whistle so I was confused why he said that.

@@TheWayWithKhuwayne She did almost fall 2 times her hand also touch the floor this is manny years ago .

​@@pornrins She almost but she didn't fell and it was only one jump with the Triple Loop not two, mistaken on that.

She was quite ahead of time for doing 3 jumps in a row, most people back then would do 2. I don’t think she was robbed here, but she definitely was in 1993 (speaking as an Oksana fan)

LOL They would eat her alive on her lack of quality, poor spins, absent footwork, awful skating skills, and lousy interpretation of the music. It would be difficult for her to even qualify for finals let alone win under the current scoring system. She was lucky that she skated in at a time when you could just pump up your difficulty score with poorly executed triple jumps and have the judges randomly give you some decent artistic marks because you’re “daring.”

Seems like that section was intentional and part of choreography, not that she was doing toe pushes as part of her normal skating

That section was an intentional and very intricate adition to her choreography which highlighted her musicality...

SURYA LOST SIMPLY BECAUSE THE OTHER 2 COULD NOT DO WHAT SHE DID.

@@leonardwalletzky1411 Hilarious! Funniest and most preposterous comment I've read on KZfaq in a very long time. Choreography and musicality were never anything she had or could even imagine. It was like watching a chicken walk aimlessly around in the barnyard.

I agree after watching this. surya, may be technically good but just lacks the grace and finesse that is required at the highest level.

Okay you know, reading through this comment, I agree with her being a profoundly excellent technician. I think she, Ito, and Yamaguchi were the only women in the early 90s who did different combinations, like 3F-3T. I absolutely agree was robbed in 1993 (which I think was the best version of this program imo) I wished she had worked on edge work earlier on in her career, she would have definitely done way better. Considering she came into FS only two years before figures were removed says a lot. Every other skater, Harding, Kerrigan, Yamaguchi, Ito, trained figures in their early career (Ito was a junior then) so they already had good control over their edges. I feel like that put Bonaly at a disadvantage, especially because she was coming from her mom, who was also her coach. Suzanne Bonaly was very strict on her child, she was like a French version of Marjorie Chin. Suzanne also did not have prior ice experience and placed Surya in tumbling when she was a child, which probably explains why Surya was so stiff in her early career.

Was there even tights in her skin tone back then? Because from my understanding, there wasn't that much options for dark skin women skaters back then and even now in the modern era so perhaps it wasn't a viable option for her.

Her costume was designed by Christian Lacroix. It is haute couture. It could be made if needed.

What part of his comment do you disagree with?

So you don’t know where Bonaly is from, just her skin color

Just say you don’t like black ppl😭😭

Too bad performing a backflip was and still is illegal yet she chose to do it anyway.

Surya only came close to winning due to racism against Asians. If Yuka were either white or black like Surya she wins 9-0 in a blowout.

as a difficult trademark of a unique and 25 years after the unique difficult moves surya did nobody ever has accomplished 3 Decades after..

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​@泰子 that is obviously ur problem 😅

Absolutely, either way it's her turn in the way figure skating skaters in the world level know that you aren't given the 14th ranked Oksana in the previous soviet national and Ballet on ice no combination is a required for free program and awful novice level spinning. A novice outfit is not supported by winning the Isu holds the accomplishments and recognition of the ranked Surya in comparison no previous Oksana the 93 1st year Surya has a silver medal in the world and accepted it unhappy with it.. and then Yuka in this event has a better chance to beat Surya bonaly than Oksana in this event in the Lillehammer games 4 week prior Surya 4th in the Olympics and Yuka 5th top 2 in attendance for this title, but it wasn't fair in 2 years ,so it was a 19 year old upset probably pressure from the federation and ger mom in definitely the Achilles injury supported by 9 hours in training punishment to her daughters body as super human strength as Surya has , and the next year Chen lu didn't rotate 1 full triple anything. Badly undrrotated jumped.. still beat Surya at 13 I watched with Paula my godmother when Surya landed the 3lutz I said was looking at our new world championship winning Surya.. it is political and unfair as that system wasn't fair but treated differently as championship ranked elite athletes if Surya wasn't good enough where her record speaks opposing the case of training with a top level coach consistently and choreography. Imagine how much better? But u can't have it both way. Imp

She didn’t even have basic skating skills. Nowadays she wouldn’t even medal.

No, she actually landed fewer clean triples than Yuka. Her triple loop was basically a fall, and the triple toe at the end of the triple flip had only 2.3 rotations so she had only 5 triples to Yuka's 6 in addition to being much worse in spins, footwork, speed, choreography, stroking, everything else. It should have been a blowout win for Yuka, with Surya at best a very distant 2nd, and Surya came close to winning only due to the anti Asian racism against Asians.

Exactly. Like she was 100% robbed at 1993. At ‘93 Worlds, she actually had real edge work and artistry. There’s more to figure skating than jumps. Saying this was worth a gold medal? No. She has had many beautiful forgotten programs.

Such a spot-on reply. Could not agree more.

Judy Soloski it actually is fair she didn't win because a backflip is an illegal move so it wasn't counted and her skate was composed completely of jumps and no good step sequence

Judy Soloski no. She was a good jumper but that's it. She had no artistic ability and no flexibility. You need all three to be any good at this. I don't know what planet your on dear.

Allison S i agree surya wasnt the best artistic she was somewhat ok artistically. but she out jumped yuka an she was way more flexible then yuka sato i feel surya was robbed

I strongly disagree on your comment. Surya was an excellent jumper however she was poor artistically.

girolle01 I agree with you 100%. She skated with no edges only preparing for the next jump She had no music interpretation and did spirals with bent knees How did she ever win European championships??

HorseFace how? She wouldn't have even placed if she skated under the new scoring system.

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@@user-ce5oe9sy7r surya bonaly was ahead of her time.if you dont havr anything nice to say leave

It is a shame she did not do this performance at the Olympics though as she would have won the bronze ahead of Chen very easily.

I agree. Now that I’ve seen both performances, I think Yuka Sato gave a better performance. It was cleaner, technically, and her artistic impression was certainly better. Bonaly had this weird hitch in her body movement right before a lot of her jumps and it always bugged me. I completely understand being upset about the loss, but the reaction was not appropriate. Just my viewpoint, though. I was never in her shoes and was never a skater, either.

@@rolandgreen7484 her artistic marks were a bit too high, in my view. Technically, I’d have given it a 5.7 and artistically, a 5.5. Something like that. I’d even agree that Sato was actually stronger technically; not just artistically. She actually landed a lot of nice jumps, had better spins and footwork and the presentation was more appealing to watch. I honestly don’t understand the controversy.

​@@smoothALOEtake your bitter self elsewhere...people like you made and still make this world a bad place to be...it is not her moves that bugeed you it was her presence

the first lutz here was actually a flutz, she switched to an inside edge. Yuka had textbook technique and a deep outside edge for her Lutz. Also, Yuka’s jumps were meticulously clean, while Surya’s were very scratchy. Surya did receive higher technical marks but the judges voted Yuka by a landslide, Yuka all the way.

lol yup and that's about all she had going for her

M0onlightKiss I know this an old comment but good point I never thought of her mother urging her to protest that sounds just like her

four seasons

ah yes vivaldi. thanks

Avant-Tom best comment

Avant-Tom lol I'm done dunedeeeee

tide32athlete Lmmfaooo and sato can't jump no where near like surya

inez mickel most of surya’s jumps were cheated plus her landings were messy.

not really, Surya had more triple, better combinations

Because it is.😉

Inconsistent coaching. Her mother was her coach for a while and had no professional skating experience.

nondescriptnyc It’s bad enough she got a silver when she didn’t deserve that either

@@valerieteti1755 The field here was very weak. She did deserve silver. Who else deserved it?

@@grantgoffin4774 No she didn’t. As a matter of fact she was ALWAYS overscored and never should have medaled in world competition due to her weaknesses as stated by nondescriptnyc. Anyone else deserved the silver over her error filled performance.

@@valerieteti1755 I agree she is WAY overrated. I am just saying she deserved silver here since the field sucked. Again who else could have deserved it. Szewcenko had nothing harder than a triple loop (I don't count a badly two footed triple lutz) and weak artistry as well. Kiellmann had a good skate but fell twice near the end unfortunately. Chouinard fell 3 times.

@@grantgoffin4774 We both agree she was very overrated thank you for clarifying. I very reluctantly agree with your placing then with this weak field. Not you personally just the fact she was rewarded silver!

Meli Lokita No they're just being honest. She was a fantastic jumper but crap basic skating skills, spins, zero footwork and presentation.

Ben Bailey Exactly!!

Americans I guess, they always hated her.

+ＮＯＲＲＥＤＩＡＮ -ＰＯＰ- I think she had enough of silver medals already. But she did not deserve gold.

Exactly. Of all 3 worlds she was second this was the clearest loss and it is an utter joke it was even this close. Even in 95 she far outjumped Chen in the long program while Sato actually landed more clean triples than Surya in this skate, in addition to outskating her in every other way both technically and artistically.

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you clearly dont know anything about skating.. Technical isn t only about jumps..

@@Angel77300 Surya's only good elements are her jumps, so for her, the technical is only about jumps. So if she messed up some of the jumps as she did here, what else is there to justify such high marks. You are actually right that technical isn't only about jumps, which just makes Surya super overscored technically even more, when Sato destroyed her in all other technical elements like spins, footwork, and spirals. That is an argument against Surya, not for her.

There was only 1 Japanese judge. Every judge is from a different country. Where the WC takes place has nothing to do with the judging.

T Stanton well yes but yuka's athleticism wasn't very prominent

chelsea padilla it was better than Surya's artistry.

it's the olympics.. it's about athletics..

eightball8008 Artistry is a core element in figure skating. Even if it was hosted at the olympics, it's still figure skating and nothing can change that.

are u kidding? yuka didnt have technique

That's why no one respects the sport. Too much is subjective.

metsdudenj It’s nice to see an expert objective post from someone who clearly knows what they are talking about I agree with everything you just said 100% I could never see how she won any medals at all giving her lack of basic skating skills

I think her technical skills are low but I seriously doubt you've been a judge of anything besides breathing.

@@bobreilly4996 and I believe you're full of shit! 💩💩💩 and piles of it! I love Surya but the post was accurate, Ioved her regardless, but the post was accurate! Get a happy life!

Thank you. You said everything I would say. They lied about where she was born, trying to make her "more interesting", creating a case of terminal uniqueness, which was totally unnecessary and didn't serve her well. Acrobat on ice seems appropriate. Painful to watch.

And still shes very good . Go hate on someone else

Chinxs always cheating you can’t win against Charlie.

Dr. Steve Brule and u can't spell.

Christmaelle Vernet, oh fuck lmao

E S lol

yeah it's called racism in figure skating, which kwan was also a victim of in some respects

Michelle Kwan was my favorite, until I saw Surya. I turned to my dad, "Daddy she flipped!!! Did you see that! Daddy she flipped! Kristi Yamagutchi cant do that, Oksansa Baiul cant do that! Daddy, not even Michelle Kwan herself can do that!" Those three were my favorites. I admired their beauty and grace; but, NO ONE has had the power or tenacity of Surya Bonaly. She doesn't skate anymore because she was chased from the sport and she has had several very serious injuries. Why compete is you are going to be disrespected and cheated?

Wow, u'r so ignorant! Surya has been around....she turned professional in '98 & spent the last 15+ yrs making millions touring the world in exhibition shows....she's always been a fan favourite with her triple triple combos & her 1 foot backflip (only skater do ever do that - big money maker)...she had a very successful career!

caroline-jane Hall She is most definitely 'around'. I'm very proud to have her as one of my coaches and an amazing one at that

+Angelica Rodriguez - Racism? Ummmm, no. Surya's QUALITY of skating was quite poor, as were her spins. Her jump landings were poor quality. If racism was present then Debi Thomas (also black) would not have become WORLD CHAMPION in 1986. And Michelle Kwan was not a victim of racism in skating - she won nationals 9 times,Worlds 5 times and 2 Olympics medals. One of the best skaters ever. Are you nuts?? Please learn about the sport.

+陳玉鈴 - Better jumper or better skater? They're not the same, you know. There are other parts to skating besides jumping.

+officeaddict33 sorry for the question to me because now Japanese young women skaters are very famous of better jumping and better skating around the all games

@@officeaddict33 At this event Surya wasn't even a better jumper and got badly overscored.

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