SVS Ultra Evolution Pinnacle Speaker Review!

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The SVS Ultra Evolution Pinnacle is the flagship in their new line of high-performance loudspeakers. The Pinnacle tower features four 8" bass drivers and two 5" mids in an MTM configuration, with a diamond-coated dome tweeter sandwiched in the middle, making it a force to be reckoned with. In this video, Gene and James discuss our full review with detailed measurements on the newest flagship speakers from SVS to help you decide if these are the towers to beat at $5k/pair.
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0:00 Introduction
2:40 Design Overview
5:15 Packaging
5:50 Aesthetics & Build
7:27 Rear Woofer Advantages
9:50 Tweeter Design
11:40 Bass Drivers
12:20 Midrange Drivers
13:40 Measurements Analysis
16:45 Gene's Listening Impressions
17:40 Optimal Listening Position
19:45 MTM Advantages
20:50 Grille vs No-Grille
22:20 Driver Responses
24:46 Bass Management Recommendation
27:25 Bottom Line
28:26 Time Alignment
30:22 SVS vs Competition
33:01 SVS other Ultra Evolution Products
33:38 Set Up Tips for Best Sound
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@jasonschubert6828 Ай бұрын

I really enjoy these interviews with James. He is so nerdy, but still has the ability to explain things in an understandable way. He also seems really honest and doesn't look down on brands or those that enjoy those brands, it seems all about the sound. He will even push back on Gene when appropriate! Great work! 👍🏻

@terryherl5031 Ай бұрын

I'm glad James brought up the fact that these are more of a (4) ohm speaker. With this many drivers you really do need a robust amp. Alot of receivers wouldn't do well driving these at higher volumes. A prime example is : a pair of the JBL HDI 3800's. With the (3) demanding 8" woofers, a Rotel RB1590 was blowing out left or right channels on (3) brand new amps at reference levels. Had absolutely no problems with a (Arcam PA240, Peachtree SE220 or My NAD M 23.

@jeffwarrender7837 Ай бұрын

I’ve had mine for 3 weeks and love them! BASX A3 would drive them hard with rock and metal but clipped when playing modern electronic music. I had to bi-amp them with my denon 4400. Just bought an Emotiva XPA 3 and am going home to hook it up. Have not turned on my 2 subs. These just sound too good!🎉

@WardoUSA Ай бұрын

They are definitely power hungry. Glad you’re enjoying them. Just in case you didn’t know you’re only supposed to bi amp with the same amp. I wouldn’t care if it sounded good, but just throwing it out there

@miscreant1739 Ай бұрын

Gene and James make a great team on these videos. Always an instant click for me.

@veroman007 Ай бұрын

i have rarely seen a marketing ground game launch as well done as this svs campaign. they are EVERYWHERE promoting these new products. this will be a model for companies to follow for years. i love their subs and assume these are a great value as well

@dextermorgan1 Ай бұрын

Yep, and that's why their price to performance rsruon is pretty terrible. For their subs anyway. I haven't heard these yet. You're paying for that name, free shipping both ways and their excellent customer service.

@gsmd770 Ай бұрын

Nice. I'm about to update my home cinema and was waiting for a review. Thanks.

@jb-uw2vt Ай бұрын

Don't forget the watts

@JonasEliasson. Ай бұрын

”You are alot stronger then you look” 💪🏼 That was funny! 😅 You guys are awesome! 👌🏼

@willbrink Ай бұрын

Great info gents, thanx. Seems like a lot of value for the $. "Warmth over accuracy" is not a speaker I personally will be attracted to however.

@melvinberrian153 Ай бұрын

I had the same thoughts but then realized that the bass and treble can be attenuated down or boosted up to match and tune the sound to your liking. Just a thought.

@alcozar5905 23 күн бұрын

Love the work guy!!!!

@Jedi_Order81 Ай бұрын

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Center Evolution and Nano

@user-mz6lt2pr9s Ай бұрын

Gene I was looking forward to the review video and then I saw the Yankees shirt. As a Red Sox fan I had to read the transcript instead. James thanks for keeping your gear as neutral as a good pair of speakers. 😀

@TMERUNNR Ай бұрын

JAMES IS A ROCK STAR🤘🤘🤘

@swayne1441 Ай бұрын

Been really curious about these

@anthonyanello1244 Ай бұрын

I heard the SVS "ULTRA EVOLUTION PINNACLE" at AXPONA and thought they had great potential. Since then I have been looking forward to a review with measurements and greatly appreciate this one! I wish you would have published a full spectrum plot but I was able to piece one together and found that these are warm speakers- really warm! The response rises by 7db from 1Khz to 70 Hz- anechoic! That is way too much bass. In-room would be even worse. Given the additional rear firing woofers in-room measurements would have been very helpful in addition to a full spectrum plot. If the SVS would have measured flatter in that region (like the Perlisten R7t or BMR Monitors) I would have pulled the trigger on them already. Thank you.

@adamjj85 Ай бұрын

Great review guys. The Arendals seem like good competition at a slightly lower price point. Certainly a lot of options at this level. I'd be curious if the time aligned cabinet design and diamond coated tweeter offer measurable advantages.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

I think you would find measurable advantages for both. The time-alignment advantage should show up in impulse or step response measurements, and the diamond-coated tweeter advantage should show up in a frequency response graph by pushing break-up modes to higher frequencies. The question for me is are these really audible advantages.

@melvinberrian153 Ай бұрын

@jameslarson2277 Hmmmm. If, in fact, the advantages are not really heard, can I infer that I might was well save some money by choosing the Arendal 1723 THX over the Pinnacles? I was actually trying to decide between the Arendals and the SVS Ultra Evo's. I can't wait for you to review the 1723 THX.

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

@adamjj85 Quite a few tweeter manufacturers use some type of coating or secondary material (doped fabric domes or layered/deposited secondary material on metal domes) in order to either push the breakup modes above the audible spectrum and/or to dampen/distribute a larger single breakup mode to multiple smaller ones that are less audible. This has been done for many years now with easily measurable improvements. In regards to physically "time aligning" multiple drivers by placing them on angled or stepped-back or -forward baffles, this might look effective, but in reality this is rarely the case and James is justified to be skeptical. Whether it be a tweeter, midrange, or midwoofer/midbass driver with a deep cone, the common notion or idea is to vertically "line up" or vertically align the transducer's pistons (dome or cone) at the point where they all interface or connect to the voice coil former or bobbin. For example the base perimeter of the dome on a tweeter where the voice coil is attached should be vertically aligned to the base perimeter of the central "dust cap" where the voice coil attaches to a cone on a midrange or midwoofer/midbass driver. What most "speaker designers" who are not also actual transducer engineers fail to take into account is that every driver is made using many different materials, and different combinations of materials in their construction. Different materials are used for the voice coil formers or bobbins (paper, kapton, aluminum, titanium), various cone materials and composite cones, the different adhesives that bond the parts together, and the type/mass/# of windings/density of the voice coil wire itself (aluminum vs copper, etc.). Note that the Speed Of Sound is relatively constant for sound waves as they propagate through the air. HOWEVER, the Speed Of Sound can vary greatly as it propagates through a variety of MUCH denser materials...before reaching the driver's piston that actually moves the air. IOW, once the voice coil of the driver is set in motion by the input signal, the TIME that it takes for that signal and movement to propagate through and reach the actual cone or dome "piston" of the driver that moves the air may vary widely. We are talking just milliseconds, but just a matter of a few milliseconds is what we use in DSPs in order to digitally "time align" multi-driver active loudspeakers, loudspeaker arrays, or the multiple driver placements in a car audio system. So in reality, "physically aligning" all of the voice coils of the drivers in a multi-driver loudspeaker by angling or off-setting the baffle forward or back does not necessarily equate to real-world Time Alignment of the drivers via impulse response. As James suggests, ultimately, this "alignment" should be verified with the alignment in time of the impulse responses of each driver via measurements. And more study needs to be done regarding our audible threshold, i.e. how much offset in time or impulse response between drivers at any given frequency is actually audible and/or results in a difference in measurable response.

@JeffAguilar68 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the review! I am running the smaller Titan towers in Black Oak. They do sound fantastic!

@acehigh13 Ай бұрын

Why are you using to power them? An amp or a regular AVR?

@JeffAguilar68 Ай бұрын

@@acehigh13 I am using an Outlaw 7000X to power them. I have the Tonewinner AT300 processor and I use two Outlaw 7000X to run my 7.1.6 system.

@stephenphillips1660 Ай бұрын

How do you like the black oak finish? That's what I'm considering ordering.

@JeffAguilar68 Ай бұрын

@@stephenphillips1660 I am really happy I waited for the Black Oak to come out. They are beautiful and completely disappear in my Theater Room when I am watching movies. I would have had a reflection from my screen with the Gloss Black. These sit much higher than the Ultra Bookshelf speakers I had on the stands. I moved them up to the level the Titan's would sit and there was reflections off of my screen. I love the look of the Gloss Black but the Black Oak is finger print and dust proof!

@supernovamoore6175 Ай бұрын

I have the Titans as well.

@justbrowsing5279 Ай бұрын

I'm confused. Right after saying you kind of need to listen on axis or it "might sound a little rocky and show some dips in the crossover points", you say that they are wide dispersion and sound close to the same across the room. Not trying to nitpick, just trying to understand. Aren't those two statements in conflict with each other? Thanks for the review.

@Snskch3 Ай бұрын

I am wondering the same thing.

@datdudeinred Ай бұрын

I think what he means is it sounds different on vertical axis but sound even on horizontal axis Pretty common problem of mtm designs.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

You are right to point out the ambiguity there, and I should have been more clear. Per my comment about the dispersion creating a similar sound over a wide area, I meant that there aren't any major peaks or nulls at off-axis angles, so you will be more or less getting hit with the full spectrum of sound. However, for the most linear and balanced sound, have them aimed at the listening position, because the on-axis angle has the smoothest and most linear response. In other words, the off-axis response is generally OK but the on-axis response is specifically very good.

@deanlundbergs Ай бұрын

Would my 2 SVS PB 1000 pro's still benefit for impact for movies? Would there be a way to set my Anthem AVM70 ARC to run the speakers full range and set the subs? Would also like to run just 2 channel music with no subs.

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

James has already spoken, but I think two separate points were being made that kind of accidentally got melded into one. The first point is that the overall Frequency Response is smoothest with the speakers aimed On-Axis to your listening position, mainly because the dip in the crossover region and a few other areas become more pronounced further Off-Axis. The second point is that above the tweeter's X/O frequency, these speakers have an unusually Wide & Consistent Dispersion pattern in the mid-to-upper treble for a dome tweeter. Due to physics and the diameter & shape of the dome tweeter piston, the dispersion pattern of nearly all speakers that use a dome tweeter (without a waveguide) will begin to progressively narrow more & more above ~7kHz. Perhaps in part due to the "Acoustic Lens" grill in front of the tweeter dome, these tweeters maintain a much wider dispersion pattern with rising frequency. Loudspeakers that have a more consistently wide upper treble dispersion pattern will have more consistent response and tonality/timbre (in that region) over a wider listening area (i.e. multiple front row seats in a HT), and this wide dispersion also results in a perceived wider soundstage overall with more room ambience. But care must also be taken in shaping the upper FR in the X/O of the tweeter because in a speaker with an otherwise Flat On-Axis upper treble response, the direct On-Axis SPL will sum with the increased Off-Axis Reflected Sound due to this wider dispersion and will result in and be perceived as "hot" or "bright/exaggerated" treble. Given James' and other's listening impressions of these as being more on the "warm" side, it seems that SVS has properly addressed this.

@MLantier Ай бұрын

Listening to these in person, in the room that I listened to them in, there seemed to be a lot of upper bass/lower midrange energy coming from these speakers. I also agree that the treble was a little subdued. I'm still interested in hearing their two smaller towers though. I appreciate that they are time-aligned.

@Snskch3 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the review. I have been waiting eagerly. I am considering upgrading from Klipsch rf7iiis in my home theater…But what is a high pass?

@danzilla31stompinontokyo36 Ай бұрын

The high pass filter is just the bass management that your avr does. When you normally pair speakers with subs you want to let the subs do the heavy lifting with the bass frequencies with their own amplifiers and save the AVR's amps or your separates power amps use their power for the mids and the highs on the tower speakers. So the AVR will set a filter at say 80 hz on your towers where output below 80 hz is significantly reduced on the towers and is routed to the subs. This filter wherever it's set will allow the speaker to play anything higher then its setpoint at say 80hz but anything lower then 80 hz will start to be cut off or reduced actually. This is why it's called a high pass filter. This SVS speaker however shouldn't be crossed over at all you should run it full range since the woofers crossover is so low because their will be problems with the subs and the speakers acting up at that crossover. You should run these full range when paired with your subs. But that means you will need a lot of power since the amplifier you drive these with will be powering the entire full frequency range and not handing some of that range off to the subs

@sanonmars Ай бұрын

Good. That is what I also thought. If one has good towers why cut off at 80hz (can be cut off just above their lowest rated frequency), with separate amplifier for LCR! Also that 5 in 5.1 is full range or is cut off as per dolby recommendation while mastering? Because x.1 is LFE so if we crossover at 80 or any frequency then sub is doing double duty, isn't it? Please share the opinion as I don't know technicalities. I have Emotiva xpa3 for LCR and LCR rated 44 hz lowest so can be xovered at 60hz, isn't it.

@Snskch3 Ай бұрын

@@danzilla31stompinontokyo36 awesome explanation. That helps a lot, thanks

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

@@sanonmars "Good Towers" is a relative statement. Most loudspeakers, whether they are bookshelf or towers, will struggle to produce CLEAN Undistorted response as SPL increases (i.e. Loud Home Theater levels). When you apply a 60Hz-80Hz High Pass Crossover Filter to your main LCR speakers and add a Subwoofer to cover the frequencies below that, it can usually take some strain off of the main speakers and reduce their overall distortion and allow them to play higher SPLs cleanly. If you really do have "Good Tower" speakers that already have very low distortion even at high SPLs, then there will probably be much less of an advantage or reason to use a 60Hz-80Hz High Pass Crossover and/or combine them with a subwoofer. But your LCR speakers that reach down to 44Hz at the lowest would most likely benefit from adding at least one subwoofer and applying a 60Hz-80Hz High Pass Crossover Filter to the LCRs. Again, the advantage should be that your LCR speakers will be able to play louder with less distortion. Frequencies lower than about ~100Hz are very omni-directional and our auditory system has a hard time localizing those low frequencies to any specific point in space, so there is really no need to have the distance or separation between your LCRs when reproducing those low frequencies. But a decent subwoofer can easily reproduce those low frequencies at Higher SPLs compared to having your LCRs strain or struggle to CLEANLY reproduce those low frequencies. Because of this, if needed, a subwoofer can easily manage doing "double duties" as you say. For the Specific Speakers in THIS Review, James does not recommend using a typical 80Hz High Pass Crossover Filter on the towers if you are going to add a subwoofer with a ~80Hz Low Pass Crossover Filter. This is because of the extra or multiple drivers/speakers that are being used in these towers and how they are combined in a very complex manner to each other, and also how they are integrated with multiple ports on the speakers in order to achieve their overall uniform response . James is saying that it will be very difficult to add a subwoofer to these and be able to integrate it well in order to maintain good phase and frequency response overall if you try to use a subwoofer crossed over at ~80Hz to the main towers. It generally isn't a problem with other tower or bookshelf speakers that use a simpler and more traditional combination of drivers and ports through the midbass and bass region.

@user-fd6yp8gl1h Ай бұрын

How would these compare to the perlisten r5t ? Or the titans vs r5t ?

@sudd3660 Ай бұрын

two points i think is important: opposing drivers also needs to be linked to each other directly, not only with the box like in this svs. my other point is: the woofer crossover at 140hz is too low, maybe a limitation and compromise they worked around but still you will miss the impact from 150hz and above from only two midrange units. 200hz is better from this perspective. and speculations from my part is that the ports may have some issues with larger bandwidth woofers, same with internal damping wish is lacking in ported designs.

@dawolyan13 Ай бұрын

SVS just seems to make really good/excellent quality no drama, no caveats equipment. Like Arendal, or Polk.

@melvinberrian153 Ай бұрын

I auditioned the Ultra Evolution Pinnacles last weekend. They were in about a 16' X 24' room. They were about 10' to 12' apart, facing straight ahead 12' from my listening position. It sounded a little boomy to me, but I felt they were too close to the wall and corners of the room. I then listened to the Titans, which were in a bigger room with a sub, and they sounded much tighter and faster bass response. Both systems were powered by Marantz Cinema 40 integrated. I do believe the Pinnacles needed more power to control the woofers. It would be interesting if James would review the Titans and compare the two.

@a3marketing991 Ай бұрын

I'm happy with my Philharmonic BMR Towers

@happygil4698 Ай бұрын

only 100lbs👌 I may consider these as id like to downsize in my old age🤙 I like the build quality of most svs products, but never was satisfied with the sound. Hopefully these may be the answer👍

@user-fd6yp8gl1h Ай бұрын

How would the Pinnacle and Titan compare in a dedicated home theater environment with 2 subs ? I'm seriously considering Pinnacle, but it might be overkill.

@melvinberrian153 Ай бұрын

If I would add one sub to the Ultra Evo Pinnacle for sound quality, which one would you suggest?

@H2OFSU Ай бұрын

Would you recommend running their original Ultra Towers full range as well?

@justbrowsing5279 Ай бұрын

I'm no expert but if you had the ability to cross significantly lower than normal, say 40 hz, I would still probably run a sub or two and high pass the towers. Many bass management tools don't allow for that low. My integrated is 60, 80, or 100. I wish I could do 50 or so with my R3s but 60 is still nice.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

Yes, the older Ultra Towers have the same issue in that the low crossover to its bass drivers means lots of filtering happening around traditional subwoofer crossover frequencies.

@melvinberrian153 Ай бұрын

I'm awaiting on the arrival of a Yamaha R-N2000A receiver. I hope it will be powerful enough to drive the Pinnacles or the 1723 towers. Not sure which speakers I would prefer.

@Novilicious Ай бұрын

It can easily drive these to satisfying levels that will delight you! That would be a hell of a combination

@Stardust72707 Ай бұрын

Wonder how they compare to the KEF R11 Meta

@bearclaw5115 Ай бұрын

R11 has a flatter frequency response (not rolled off) and less bass. Accuracy=R11, fun=SVS U.E.

@calvincurry8496 Ай бұрын

The comparison should be The Ultra Evolution Tower 3000.00 vs the Polk L600. That would be a fairer comparison per price

@jsirivanchai Ай бұрын

These versus the Arendal 1723 towers? I'd still opt for an additional dedicated sub, either way. What would be the recommendation?

@Snskch3 Ай бұрын

Good question

@justinbeamon6624 Ай бұрын

The frequency response is miles better on the 1723 that's for sure.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

We have a review of the 1723 Towers incoming. Stay tuned for that!

@bearclaw5115 Ай бұрын

The Arendal's have a brighter sound and less bass. They focused on output above 80hz because of THX cert.

@jsirivanchai Ай бұрын

@@bearclaw5115 how well do the pinnacles handle treble? Are they resolving? Do they need to be lifted?

@ivanfilatov7913 Ай бұрын

Focal Aria Evo is my choice! Curious how JBL HDI 3800 sound like though..

@battousai412 Ай бұрын

Im surprised Definitive Technology DM80 wasn't on James list. I know Im looking at both. I would love to know which Gene and James think is better? Which has the better tweeter?

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

I did have it originally but pared it out since the list was too long. I feel like it's a bit too idiosyncratic to be a direct competitor. It has a powered bass section and a bipole passive section. I did review the DM70. Is it better? I would say its a matter of personal preference since the soundstages are very different.

@battousai412 Ай бұрын

@jameslarson2277 oh, okay, thanks for the quick reply. But I was wondering how there tweeters compared? Do I need to step up to like Perlisten s7t to get a good tweeter and mid for music? I did hear a pair, but wow, 4x the cost of these.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

@@battousai412 The drivers for both speakers are good. The real difference is the dispersion pattern and its effects on soundstage. The Deftech speakers may give you a more spacious soundstage but less precise imaging than the SVS speakers. I do like both speakers.

@MrOggaaaa Ай бұрын

Interesting thoughts about the fullrange talk. I run my O.G Ultra Towers with a 80hz crossover even tho they also provide alot of bass by themselves. But i also have SVS 2x PC-4000. Anyone think i should run the towers fullrange?

@happygil4698 Ай бұрын

try lowering the xover point.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

The OG Ultra Towers would mostly have the same issues thanks to its very low 160Hz crossover to the bass drivers. I would run them full-range.

@MrOggaaaa Ай бұрын

@@jameslarson2277 I will try that. Should I set them to "fullrange" or run LFE+main?

@typettet Ай бұрын

⁠@@MrOggaaaa LFE+Main will not impose any crossover restrictions on your towers. I would suggest sticking with LFE and 40hz crossover, but you can experiment to see how it sounds.

@GS_Trophy Ай бұрын

How do these compare to the Kef R11 meta?

@michaelmarcin1003 8 күн бұрын

Andrew Robinson did an extensive comparison of the R11 to the SVS Titan. He then did another video explaining why he liked the SVS better but kept the R11 as his reference.

@budsmoker4201120 Ай бұрын

The bookshelfs kick ass

@swllz Ай бұрын

waiting to be measured.

@budsmoker4201120 Ай бұрын

@@swllz I hear ya. I had the chance to hear them a week ago they blew me away. I compared the Focal Aria and Elac Uni-fi reference and it wiped the floor with them in my opinion

@swllz Ай бұрын

@@budsmoker4201120 how about the center?

@Professor5180 Ай бұрын

@@budsmoker4201120I'm thinking of doing the Nano Bookshelfes for all rear channels and side surround channles and the Titans for the front.

@JesterOC Ай бұрын

I’m leaning towards bookshelves myself since i have dual subs already and Dirac with bass man. Already. Kinda feeling that the bookshelves would be good enough. But i would love to see a detailed review to be sure

@michael-4k4000 Ай бұрын

The idea that these speakers are Ultra makes me want them.

@death007007 Ай бұрын

Since Gene mentioned "price class" ... These are priced very close to the MartinLogan Motion XT F200 Would i be correct to say there is no way these SVS speakers can truly compete with the XT F200's and should be priced accordingly?

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

The SVS speakers absolutely compete with the ML XT F200s. I would prefer the SVS speakers, myself.

@stephenphillips1660 Ай бұрын

@@jameslarson2277 Is this the real James Larson?

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

@@stephenphillips1660 YES

@melvinberrian153 28 күн бұрын

Now I wonder how close the Titans would spec compared with the Pinnacles. I really preferred the Titans with a sub in comparison.

@JesterOC Ай бұрын

I have a dual sub system with Dirac bass management. Any thoughts on if it is worth it to get the full towers vs just the bookshelves? Thanks in advance folks

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

Dirac is able to calibrate the speakers to run full range with the sub, so you could get either the bookshelf or the towers with no problem. I would say if you like to listen at loud levels, get the towers since the two midranges will give you more headroom than a single midrange.

@rasta.j Ай бұрын

I have the Focal Kanta 2, and the Klipsch RF7III, honestly this new SVS speaker feels like it might be a combination of the both of them. Might consider this one seriously. Except for the dang price here in Australia. Bought the focals for $6.5k and the Klipsch for $3.8k. But the SVS is $10.4k and svs products are hard to negotiated down with unfortunately 😕

@oniiz8685 Ай бұрын

@rasta.j I was wondering where do you find the Klipsch RF-7 IIIs for $3800 AUD which av specialist dealer was that, was that with a trade-in of other speakers? They retail for $10,000 in Australia which is insanity but the street price is probably around under $6999 which is still crazy for what they are but SVS is off the chain in Australia with the latest Evolution series, the Pinnacle "flagship" floorstanders retail for $11,499 but hey they're on special at the moment for a paltry sum of only $10,349, bargain territory I reckon ;)

@rasta.j Ай бұрын

@@oniiz8685 digital cinema Sydney had a pair in cherry that was hard to move. I suspect it was stock that was lying around. I went to buy the heresy iv, but left with the rf7 at that price. Fast forward, I ran out of space in my townhouse because I picked up the kanta on discount. So I let my dad borrow the rf7's, turns out he loved them and wanted to do his own rf7 set up. Regrettably digital cinema couldn't match the price they previously gave me. Best I could find was $6.5k at Hollywood Cinema Store in Melbourne.....So I just have the one pair of RF7s. Underrated, unique, fantastic speakers.

@oniiz8685 Ай бұрын

@@rasta.j That was extremely lucky basically got them at USA pricing, it's funny you say that the pair was the Cherry veneer finish as that is notably absent across Australian dealers, they now only ever advertise Black Ash & Walnut, I think it's because it was discovered that the Cherry veneer had visible seams on the the RF-7 III units so maybe Australia feels they do not want to deal with the headache of customer disappointment, the USA still sells the Cherry finish, I picked up my pair of Black Ash RF-7 IIIs for $4200 plus $1000 trade-in of my Klipsch RF-82s back in early 2022 just before the price hike which the price rose from $7899 to $9999, ouch, the speaker pricing in Australia is getting really insane, the USA is laughing at us as while their flagship pricing is not "cheap" at $5000-$5500, the US pricing is much more palatable ;)

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

@rasta.j Personally, I would look at some of the speaker options from *March Audio* in Oz! Amazing price/performance IMO.

@adrianegowski5012 Ай бұрын

I'd still HP this speaker :P Usually below 50Hz distortion increases heavily. Not to mention 30 or 20Hz... Though... I get that crossover points in this one may make it hard...

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

That just doesn't make sense in this case. If you did that, you will essentially not even be utilizing all FOUR of the large 8" drivers in these large towers and would be throwing away your money on 4 bass drivers and also therefore have unnecessarily large towers that are being completely wasted. It'd be like buying a muscle car with a big V8 engine to have lots of HP + Low-End TORQUE and then taking out 4 of the spark plugs so only 4 cylinders are producing the power while you waste extra gasoline! Spend less money, take up less space, and get the smaller versions and integrate them properly with a good subwoofer(s).

@psreinc Ай бұрын

How do these compare to Polk R700s?

@Audioholics Ай бұрын

The SVS outclass the Polk R700 and compete more w Arendal 1723 tower and others we put on the list at the end of the video.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

The SVS has more dynamic range. The Polks would be more forgiving to set up for a neutral response at listening position. Both are excellent speakers.

@justbrowsing5279 Ай бұрын

If you can listen closer because of the angled drivers, wouldn't that mean problems at greater distances or does the fact that one set of woofers is angled down and one up solve this problem?

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

The angling of the drivers isn't what makes the Ultra Evolution Pinnacle listenable at closer distances, rather, it's the way the drivers are arranged as well as the low frequencies used in the crossover circuit. This main acoustic lobe of this speaker is heavily centered on the tweeter, and the only integration distance that you need to worry about comes from the spacing between the midrange to tweeter on this design. So the distance that the sound from all drivers integrate is about the same as a two-way bookshelf speaker. However, the integration distance doesn't somehow diminish if you were listening further away, so these will sound just as good at a 1 meter distance as a 5 meter distance, provided they don't run out of headroom to make up for the higher loudness levels needed to overcome the greater distance.

@justbrowsing5279 Ай бұрын

Really curious about the idea of not needing subs. These are listed up to 300 watts per speaker. How can 300 watts split across 6 drivers (4 eight inchers) be enough to even remotely compete with the amps driving single woofer subs? Again not being critical but it seems like an impossible task.

@veroman007 Ай бұрын

8 8in. drivers move a LOT of air. makes more sense than one 12 inch.

@JamesWilliams-gf8gm Ай бұрын

There are 200” of surface area per speaker. Where a single 12” is 176”. I would argue subs are always better for tune ability and modal distribution… But these look good for the money. I would like to hear them.

@justbrowsing5279 Ай бұрын

@@veroman007 4 8 inch drivers. Not 8 per speaker. That's 300 watts max split between them not even including the mid and tweeter. I realize there is more surface area but that's like 65 watts per 8 inch driver.

@justbrowsing5279 Ай бұрын

@@JamesWilliams-gf8gm I realize there is more surface area but that's like 65 watts per 8 inch driver. Can that really compete with 500 to 2000 watts driving one sub?

@bearclaw5115 Ай бұрын

For music listening you could get away with not using subs. For movies though, I'd still run a sub to fill in the area between 30 and 20hz as the output on these drops off rapidly below 30hz and that band is crucial for creating low freq effects in movies. Also, good luck ever giving 300 watts to each speaker. You'll beg for mercy long before then.

@dextermorgan1 Ай бұрын

I wonder what quality components they used in the X over....

@IliyaOsnovikov Ай бұрын

A speaker with multiple woofers does not have to be 4 Ohms. It could be made with any impeadance like 8 Ohms, 16 Oms or even 32 Ohms.

@bingdong8571 Ай бұрын

James looks like hugo

@pwmaudio Ай бұрын

Sorry guys, but the 8" woofers looks like very cheap $10 units with zinc coated forged T-Yoke and washer (premium stuff is CNC), bad glue job on the magnetic system, and 2 cents spade terminals on a cardboard support... Really low level manufacturing (but can offer good performance, it's a different topic) PS: I'm acoustic engineer who designs drivers

@rushgush Ай бұрын

the crossover components in the old ultra were supposedly extremely low quality.

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

Looks can be deceiving. Cast Aluminum baskets alone on this size driver equates to a bit more than $10/unit. But what's more important is the actual motor system and what's on the "inside". Do they use shorting rings, titanium VC formers, etc? On quick glance they look to have high xmax/xmech capability as well as excellent venting/thermal dissipation. And using FOUR drivers allows for less overall required excursion which will keep any HD/IMD products at exponentially lower levels. We'd really need to see independent driver measurements to know for sure, but also consider the LIMITED PASSBAND that these particular drivers are playing! IMO, SoTA drivers in this application and design are not really *that* important. SVS is a growing company with growing expenditures (facilities, work force, equipment, insurance, marketing, utility bills, etc.) and they have every right to maximize their profits and ROI by using "affordable" drivers as long as they "get the job done". IF they were just using a single 8" driver to reach these response goals, then Yes, I would want to see a SoTA driver being used. But again, you and I don't know the actual measured response or quality of these drive units, so there's that. ;)

@triplelexxx9407 Ай бұрын

I wonder how them compare to the tekton MOAB at the same 5k price..........

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

If you want to go with an Aussie manufacturer, better to look into March Audio loudspeakers. ;)

@swllz Ай бұрын

waiting for evolution bookshelf and center to be measured.

@davidt8438 Ай бұрын

Companies should stop with the one upmanship naming of products. What happens if they make a better speaker? They’re already at Pinnacle so what could be higher? Should they name the better one the Zenith or really go for it and call it the Zenith Pinnacle Ultra tower speaker. They’ve locked themselves into a corner. I think they should start over and call their speaker lines Good, Better and Best. At least this still leaves room for Silver, Gold and Platinum editions.

@jameslarson2277 Ай бұрын

I like the 'good, better, and best' naming convention. And if the company makes one better than 'best,' they can just call it 'bestesser.' Or, if they make one lower end then the 'good,' they can just call it 'worst.' 😄

@davidt8438 Ай бұрын

@@jameslarson2277 Bestesser! Ha ha, boy did I have to fight with auto correct on that one.

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

@@davidt8438 There's always the Mark II, III, IV, etcetera naming convention to fall back on. :) For instance, with the dSLR cameras I've owned, there was the original Canon EOS 5D, then the 5D MK II, then 5D MK III, and finally the 5D MK IV, until they switched over to mirrorless digital bodies such as the EOS R5. And there will be an EOS R5 Mark II announced and released this August. 😛 Each one was a vast improvement on the former model. So, there's that. ;)

@bingdong8571 Ай бұрын

Everyone is gonna add subs no matter if they need or not. That's a given.

@mrtyrang Ай бұрын

For the money, I'd rather get the The BMR Tower.

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

There are definitely LOTS of options in this price bracket, especially if you are going to implement a subwoofer or two anyway. Choice is good.

@madcrabber1113 29 күн бұрын

Please buy James a forklift.

@theomindschrddr7983 Ай бұрын

They look weird

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

Some may say the same about you and me. 😛 Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and YMMV.

@DonnieDorko477 Ай бұрын

These speakers are incredibly cheesy looking. I’m surprised so many people think they look good. Looks like a cheap speaker trying to look high end and failing miserably. Very awkward visual design.

@Nurdaholic Ай бұрын

The finishes are whats lacking. If the shape has a functional purpose which SVS is claiming and if you’re facing them, what are you seeing? A monolithic tower just like almost every speaker.

@justbrowsing5279 Ай бұрын

@@Nurdaholic Just don't ever look at them when you aren't in the listening position. I'm with Dorko. They look bad and I'm not buying that the angled drivers helps anything unless you are in the perfect vertical and horizontal position. I mean, that's gotta make the sweet spot smaller right? That said. If they sound good I'd buy them regardless of looks.

@saulm5632 Ай бұрын

Just say you can't afford them...😂

@DonnieDorko477 Ай бұрын

@@saulm5632 If you had any idea, you’d realize how hilarious your comment is. 🤭

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

@@justbrowsing5279 "I mean, that's gotta make the sweet spot smaller right?" That's not how speaker directivity works, mate. ;) But TBF, ANY gloss Piano Black speaker looks "cheesy" to me. I'd much rather have a matte/satin finish real wood veneer or painted finish that doesn't reflect the picture from my HDTV and every light and object in the room. YMMV.

@kennethmccullough1342 Ай бұрын

Which of the listed speakers you put up including the SVS has the widest and immersive soundstage?

@bbfoto7248 Ай бұрын

@kennethmccullough1342 TBH, I don't own and haven't heard any of the speakers in question. 😛 But the most important aspects required for producing a Wide and Immersive Soundstage are Smooth & Even Frequency Response (that also matches as closely as possible between the Left & Right speakers At Your Listening Position), and Smooth & Even DIRECTIVITY with relatively Wide Dispersion overall. Smooth and Even "DIRECTIVITY" means that the Dispersion Angles or "polar radiation patterns" of all of the multiple drivers that are being used match very closely overall, and match especially well through each Crossover region from driver to driver (between the woofer, midbass/midwoofer, midrange, and tweeter). The Horizontal Directivity is more important in general for a wide & immersive soundstage, but you'll also want good Vertical Directivity if you have a Home Theater with Tiered multi-row seating where each consecutive row is elevated slightly behind the other, or if you want even frequency response while sitting or standing/walking around. The size, shape, nearby boundaries, and acoustic properties of your listening room also play a significant role in regards to imaging & soundstage characteristics. But in general, loudspeakers with a consistently Wide Dispersion Pattern and with a Frequency Response that remains very Similar both On-Axis (direct sound) and Off-Axis (reflected sound) will provide a Wider and more "immersive" soundstage with more "room ambience". Look for speakers with Off-Axis Dispersion angles or Response that is smooth out to 60°-70° to each side of the speaker, so 120° to 140° total forward radiation off of the front baffle. Speakers with dispersion angles of 50° or less to each side might provide for more focused and distinct individual image placements, but a Soundstage that is not as Wide and "Immersive". It's always a balance of compromises and tradeoffs with every speaker design. ;) While the Directivity Matching isn't perfect with these SVS towers, overall it is very GOOD throughout the majority of its response, and it's unusually good in regards to the wide radiation pattern of the dome tweeter above 7kHz, which is very rare. Most dome tweeters that are placed on a flat front baffle will start to "beam" significantly (narrowing dispersion as the frequency rises) above ~7kHz. This Wide & Even Dispersion pattern that is maintained above ~7kHz by the tweeter in the SVS will generally result in a Wide & "Immersive" Soundstage that has more "room ambience". My only guess is that the "Acoustic Lens" used in this tweeter's unique built-in grill is responsible for the wider/smoother dispersion of the upper treble.